[Ibogaine] Ibogaine Digest, Vol 13, Issue 59

robert charleston robster1971 at gmail.com
Sun Jan 18 12:31:58 EST 2009


no prob bro

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 9:21 AM, simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>wrote:

>  Thanks Holmes:)
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* Jeremy Spence <jlspence at mac.com>
> *To:* ibogaine at mindvox.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, 18 January, 2009 14:25:57
> *Subject:* Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Digest, Vol 13, Issue 59
>
> yea, i hear you, but people need to get a grip.
>
> I believe in free speech too.  but that does mean I not going to say
> something if I believe its fuck up.
>
> Was just trying to have your back thats all.
> On Jan 18, 2009, at 5:27 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote:
>
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> > than "Re: Contents of Ibogaine digest..."
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> >  1. Re: Ibogaine Digest, Vol 13, Issue 57 (simon loxton)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 11:27:20 +0000 (GMT)
> > From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Digest, Vol 13, Issue 57
> > To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> > Message-ID: <34393.70300.qm at web28609.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > J' its OK man; its best to just ignore things like this otherwise you are
> giving them exactly what they want; attention.
> >
> > You also dont know who you are dealing with; you could have a bipolar
> schizophrenic; (No disrespect). They also have their right to freedom of
> speech.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Jeremy Spence <jlspence at mac.com>
> > To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> > Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 13:02:05
> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Digest, Vol 13, Issue 57
> >
> > WHO THE FUCK HAS A PROBLEM WITH SIMON, IF THEY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SIMOM
> THEY GOT A PROBLEM WITH ME TOO!!
> >
> >
> > YOU FUCK OFFF
> > On Jan 18, 2009, at 4:53 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote:
> >
> >> Send Ibogaine mailing list submissions to
> >>    ibogaine at mindvox..com <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
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> >> than "Re: Contents of Ibogaine digest..."
> >>
> >>
> >> Today's Topics:
> >>
> >>  1. Re: Similarities with Psilosybin and Ibogaine (simon loxton)
> >>  2. Re: RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls (simon loxton)
> >>  3. Re: RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls (Jasen C)
> >>  4. Re: RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls (simon loxton)
> >>
> >>
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 1
> >> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 09:02:19 +0000 (GMT)
> >> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
> >> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Similarities with Psilosybin and Ibogaine
> >> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> >> Message-ID: <591613.91287.qm at web28605.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >>
> >> I was going to suggest he leave his mothers PC alone and stick with the
> play station but did not want to aggravate his condition.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: Capt Kirk <captkirknz at yahoo.co.uk>
> >> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> >> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 9:59:43
> >> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Similarities with Psilosybin and Ibogaine
> >>
> >>
> >> Um, ok and you are?  And what's your site so I know never ever ever ever
> to visit it? Not that I believe in hell
> anyway.........................................
> >> Love these charming emails.....
> >> Unless I missing something................wtf?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: s james <niknox at shaw.ca>
> >> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> >>
> >> ?
> >> listen simon you appear more than most cockroach infestations fuck off
> from my site or hell you invite
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >> Message: 2
> >> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 09:03:27 +0000 (GMT)
> >> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
> >> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
> >> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> >> Message-ID: <76138.35638.qm at web28616.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >>
> >> I get what you mean though; iboga is very good on the psycho-spiritual
> side; its just that iboga is more difficult to work with
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: Jasen C <jasenhappy2008 at yahoo.com.au>
> >> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> >> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 10:56:36
> >> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
> >>
> >>
> >> Hello Simon,
> >>
> >> I agree Iboga works well for addiction I was given Iboga 5 years ago for
> a 23 year methadone habit and I have seen it work on many other people.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
> >> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> >> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 6:23:56 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
> >>
> >>
> >> I was referring to root bark when I said iboga. I find iboga works very
> well for addiction; ask Matt for one.
> >>
> >> I think ibogaine is just a hell of a lot easier which is why I like it
> for addiction interruption; especially for opiates.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: Jasen C <jasenhappy2008 at yahoo.com.au>
> >> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> >> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 8:34:50
> >> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
> >>
> >>
> >> Hello Simon,
> >>
> >> You may be talking about another iboga extract not Indra, if you took
> 10grams of the Indra it would blow your top, break the head completely open
> in most cases and stop withdrawal completely. I have seen people have a lot
> less than 10 grams, more like 4 to 7grams of Indra and it has worked
> beautifully.
> >>
> >> As I am sure you would know, the Indra was made many years ago ( a few
> dozen kilo's) and is the only known proven extract where the content of
> Ibogaine is known so a dose can be correctly measured.
> >>
> >> Sara in Amsterdam does this very well and is the only source of Indra
> that I know of. We need her back on the list
> >>
> >> With opiate withdrawal a flood dose then a booster dose seems to work
> well with Ibogaine.
> >>
> >> I saw someone the other day who had 5 grams of Indra Extract for psycho
> spiritual. Seems to be much smoother than Ibogaine, maybe the other
> alkaloids play a part that science has not been able to measure yet.
> >>
> >> Ibogaine seems to work better for addiction as it coats the receptors
> better however I believe Iboga is better for psycho spiritual.
> >>
> >> Jasen
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
> >> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> >> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 3:46:19 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
> >>
> >>
> >> Well are you referring to ibogaine (an extract) or what was known as
> indra?
> >>
> >> I guess you are referring to opiate withdrawal but its more common to
> give lower doses over an extended period of time for meth and coke; Rocky
> came up with a good protocol like this.
> >>
> >> Personally I have never experimented with the least you would need to
> keep withdrawal from opiates at bay. I would not want to put the patient in
> an uncomfortable position by doing this. Saying so; 5-10g of iboga is enough
> to keep withdrawal at bay for up to 12 hrs. This is about all I can offer
> from experience; I would only be guessing or using some one elses
> information in terms of an extract or ibogaine in a minimal dose and I cant
> think of any off hand.
> >>
> >> The lowest I have used ibogaine wise for opiates is 16mg/kg but prefer
> to work between 17 and 20 mg/kg.
> >>
> >> Generally I prefer a single dose followed up by low doses for opiates so
> there is no discomfort.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: DC from AZ <dcollier9 at cox.net>
> >> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> >> Sent: Saturday, 17 January, 2009 19:29:26
> >> Subject: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
> >>
> >>
> >> Anyone know what a non-initiation, medical only RX script might say
> >> for low dose usage of Iboga extract for relief of withdrawls.
> >>
> >> are we there yet ?
> >>
> >> http://www.drogriporter.hu/en/ibogainesession.
> >>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> Don zo
> >> "Love converts hearts, and gives peace..."
> >> __________________________________________________
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: michael langshaw
> >> To: The Ibogaine List
> >> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 7:00 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CIA drug abuse
> >>
> >> That's what my shrink did to me with this suboxone shit. I went int his
> office, told him how much I was using and he wrote me out a script and sent
> me on my way. Nice guy. I got no one to blame but myself. I was capable of
> researching it.......Sorry, just a little venting there.
> >> Mike
> >>
> >> --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Edward A. Weissbard <edward.escs at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> From: Edward A. Weissbard <edward.escs at gmail.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CIA drug abuse
> >> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> >> Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 8:37 PM
> >>
> >>
> >> Scott,
> >>
> >> Reading the info.. reminded me of the movie, *Jacobs Ladder* from early
> >> 90's, where the US Army experimented with BZ Gas on active duty personal
> >> during Vietnam.  A Very strange but interesting movie, for those that
> >> haven't seen it yet.  Seems pretty low to give someone a mind altering
> >> substance without them even knowing.
> >> --Edward
> >>
> >>
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> >> Message: 3
> >> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 01:43:34 -0800 (PST)
> >> From: Jasen C <jasenhappy2008 at yahoo.com.au>
> >> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
> >> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> >> Message-ID: <610555.48729.qm at web59616.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >>
> >> Hello Simon
> >>
> >> Yes your right. Iboga is more difficult to work with unless of course
> you know the Iboga you are working with (content of Ibogaine) such as the
> Indra?extract Sara works with. Then you can dose with confidence that the
> client gets what they need.
> >>
> >> I have seen Sara dose people with addictions and for psycho spiritual
> with her Iboga extract?with great results.
> >>
> >> I understand your comment that Ibogaine is easier to work with.
> >>
> >> Jasen
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
> >> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> >> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 7:03:27 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
> >>
> >>
> >> I get what you mean though; iboga is very good on the psycho-spiritual
> side; its just that iboga is more difficult to work with
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: Jasen C <jasenhappy2008 at yahoo.com.au>
> >> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> >> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 10:56:36
> >> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
> >>
> >>
> >> Hello Simon,
> >>
> >> I agree Iboga works well for addiction I was given Iboga 5 years ago for
> a 23 year methadone habit and I have seen it work on many other people.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co..uk>
> >> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> >> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 6:23:56 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
> >>
> >>
> >> I was referring to root bark when I said iboga. I find iboga works very
> well for addiction; ask Matt for one.
> >>
> >> I think ibogaine is just a hell of a lot easier which is why I like it
> for addiction interruption; especially for opiates.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: Jasen C <jasenhappy2008 at yahoo.com.au>
> >> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> >> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 8:34:50
> >> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
> >>
> >>
> >> Hello Simon,
> >>
> >> You may be talking about another iboga extract not Indra, if you took
> 10grams of the Indra?it would blow your top, break the head completely open
> in most cases and stop withdrawal completely. I have seen people have a lot
> less than 10 grams, more like 4 to 7grams of Indra and it has worked
> beautifully.
> >>
> >> As?I am sure you would know, the Indra was made many years ago ( a few
> dozen kilo's)?and is the only known proven extract where the content of
> Ibogaine is known?so a dose can be correctly measured.
> >>
> >> Sara in Amsterdam does this very well and is the only source of Indra
> that I know of. We need her back on the list
> >>
> >> With opiate withdrawal a flood dose then a booster dose seems to work
> well with Ibogaine.
> >>
> >> I saw someone the other day who had 5 grams of Indra Extract for psycho
> spiritual. Seems to be much smoother than Ibogaine, maybe the other
> alkaloids play a part that science has not been able to measure yet.
> >>
> >> Ibogaine seems to work better for addiction as it coats the receptors
> better however I believe Iboga is better for psycho spiritual.
> >>
> >> Jasen
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ?
> >>
> >> ?
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
> >> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> >> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 3:46:19 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
> >>
> >>
> >> Well are you referring to ibogaine (an extract) or what was known as
> indra?
> >>
> >> I guess you are referring to opiate withdrawal but its more common to
> give lower doses over an extended period of time for meth and coke; Rocky
> came up with a good protocol like this.
> >>
> >> Personally I have never experimented with the least you would need to
> keep withdrawal from opiates at bay. I would not want to put the patient in
> an uncomfortable position by doing this. Saying so; 5-10g of iboga is enough
> to keep withdrawal at bay for up to 12 hrs. This is about all I can offer
> from experience; I would only be guessing or using some one elses
> information in terms of an extract or ibogaine in a minimal dose and I cant
> think of any off hand.
> >>
> >> The lowest I have used ibogaine wise for opiates is 16mg/kg but prefer
> to work between 17 and 20 mg/kg.
> >>
> >> Generally I prefer a single dose followed up by low doses for opiates so
> there is no discomfort.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: DC from AZ <dcollier9 at cox..net>
> >> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> >> Sent: Saturday, 17 January, 2009 19:29:26
> >> Subject: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
> >>
> >>
> >> Anyone know what a non-initiation, medical only RX script might say
> >> for low dose usage of Iboga extract for relief of withdrawls.
> >> ?
> >> are we there yet ?
> >> ?
> >> http://www.drogriporter.hu/en/ibogainesession.
> >>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> Don zo
> >> "Love converts hearts, and gives peace..."
> >> __________________________________________________
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: michael langshaw
> >> To: The Ibogaine List
> >> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 7:00 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CIA drug abuse
> >>
> >> That's what my shrink did to me with this suboxone shit. I went int
> his?office, told him how much I was using and he wrote me out a script and
> sent me on my way.?Nice guy. I got no one to blame but myself. I was capable
> of researching it........Sorry, just a little venting there.
> >> Mike
> >>
> >> --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Edward A. Weissbard <edward.escs at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> From: Edward A. Weissbard <edward.escs at gmail.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CIA drug abuse
> >> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> >> Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 8:37 PM
> >>
> >>
> >> Scott,
> >>
> >> Reading the info. reminded me of the movie, *Jacobs Ladder* from early
> >> 90's, where the US Army experimented with BZ Gas on active duty personal
> >> during Vietnam.  A Very strange but interesting movie, for those that
> >> haven't seen it yet.  Seems pretty low to give someone a mind altering
> >> substance without them even knowing.
> >> --Edward
> >>
> >>
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> >> Message: 4
> >> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:53:34 +0000 (GMT)
> >> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
> >> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
> >> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> >> Message-ID: <742836.608.qm at web28610.mail.ukl..yahoo.com<742836.608.qm at web28610.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
> >
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >>
> >> Yes; its really knowing your product; and having a constant in terms of
> quality. Ibogaine is more predictable in this respect..
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: Jasen C <jasenhappy2008 at yahoo.com.au>
> >> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> >> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 11:43:34
> >> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
> >>
> >>
> >> Hello Simon
> >>
> >> Yes your right. Iboga is more difficult to work with unless of course
> you know the Iboga you are working with (content of Ibogaine) such as the
> Indra extract Sara works with. Then you can dose with confidence that the
> client gets what they need.
> >>
> >> I have seen Sara dose people with addictions and for psycho spiritual
> with her Iboga extract with great results.
> >>
> >> I understand your comment that Ibogaine is easier to work with.
> >>
> >> Jasen
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
> >> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> >> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 7:03:27 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
> >>
> >>
> >> I get what you mean though; iboga is very good on the psycho-spiritual
> side; its just that iboga is more difficult to work with
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: Jasen C <jasenhappy2008 at yahoo.com.au>
> >> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> >> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 10:56:36
> >> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
> >>
> >>
> >> Hello Simon,
> >>
> >> I agree Iboga works well for addiction I was given Iboga 5 years ago for
> a 23 year methadone habit and I have seen it work on many other people.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
> >> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox..com>
> >> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 6:23:56 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
> >>
> >>
> >> I was referring to root bark when I said iboga. I find iboga works very
> well for addiction; ask Matt for one.
> >>
> >> I think ibogaine is just a hell of a lot easier which is why I like it
> for addiction interruption; especially for opiates.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: Jasen C <jasenhappy2008 at yahoo.com.au>
> >> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> >> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 8:34:50
> >> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
> >>
> >>
> >> Hello Simon,
> >>
> >> You may be talking about another iboga extract not Indra, if you took
> 10grams of the Indra it would blow your top, break the head completely open
> in most cases and stop withdrawal completely. I have seen people have a lot
> less than 10 grams, more like 4 to 7grams of Indra and it has worked
> beautifully.
> >>
> >> As I am sure you would know, the Indra was made many years ago ( a few
> dozen kilo's) and is the only known proven extract where the content of
> Ibogaine is known so a dose can be correctly measured.
> >>
> >> Sara in Amsterdam does this very well and is the only source of Indra
> that I know of. We need her back on the list
> >>
> >> With opiate withdrawal a flood dose then a booster dose seems to work
> well with Ibogaine.
> >>
> >> I saw someone the other day who had 5 grams of Indra Extract for psycho
> spiritual. Seems to be much smoother than Ibogaine, maybe the other
> alkaloids play a part that science has not been able to measure yet.
> >>
> >> Ibogaine seems to work better for addiction as it coats the receptors
> better however I believe Iboga is better for psycho spiritual.
> >>
> >> Jasen
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
> >> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox..com>
> >> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 3:46:19 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
> >>
> >>
> >> Well are you referring to ibogaine (an extract) or what was known as
> indra?
> >>
> >> I guess you are referring to opiate withdrawal but its more common to
> give lower doses over an extended period of time for meth and coke; Rocky
> came up with a good protocol like this.
> >>
> >> Personally I have never experimented with the least you would need to
> keep withdrawal from opiates at bay. I would not want to put the patient in
> an uncomfortable position by doing this. Saying so; 5-10g of iboga is enough
> to keep withdrawal at bay for up to 12 hrs. This is about all I can offer
> from experience; I would only be guessing or using some one elses
> information in terms of an extract or ibogaine in a minimal dose and I cant
> think of any off hand.
> >>
> >> The lowest I have used ibogaine wise for opiates is 16mg/kg but prefer
> to work between 17 and 20 mg/kg.
> >>
> >> Generally I prefer a single dose followed up by low doses for opiates so
> there is no discomfort.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: DC from AZ <dcollier9 at cox.net>
> >> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> >> Sent: Saturday, 17 January, 2009 19:29:26
> >> Subject: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
> >>
> >>
> >> Anyone know what a non-initiation, medical only RX script might say
> >> for low dose usage of Iboga extract for relief of withdrawls.
> >>
> >> are we there yet ?
> >>
> >> http://www.drogriporter.hu/en/ibogainesession.
> >>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> Don zo
> >> "Love converts hearts, and gives peace..."
> >> __________________________________________________
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: michael langshaw
> >> To: The Ibogaine List
> >> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 7:00 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CIA drug abuse
> >>
> >> That's what my shrink did to me with this suboxone shit. I went int his
> office, told him how much I was using and he wrote me out a script and sent
> me on my way. Nice guy. I got no one to blame but myself. I was capable of
> researching it.......Sorry, just a little venting there.
> >> Mike
> >>
> >> --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Edward A. Weissbard <edward.escs at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> From: Edward A. Weissbard <edward.escs at gmail.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CIA drug abuse
> >> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> >> Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 8:37 PM
> >>
> >>
> >> Scott,
> >>
> >> Reading the info. reminded me of the movie, *Jacobs Ladder* from early
> >> 90's, where the US Army experimented with BZ Gas on active duty personal
> >> during Vietnam.  A Very strange but interesting movie, for those that
> >> haven't seen it yet.  Seems pretty low to give someone a mind altering
> >> substance without them even knowing.
> >> --Edward
> >>
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