[Ibogaine] peyote way of God

robert charleston robster1971 at gmail.com
Sun Jan 18 11:44:21 EST 2009


I think that I want to attend this service as well! rc

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Jeremy Spence <jlspence at mac.com> wrote:

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>  A Brief History of Peyotism
> and the Peyote Way Church
> by Vin Suprynowicz
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> Although the thornless, ground-hugging Peyote cactus grows naturally only
> in North Central Mexico and a small part of southwestern Texas, there is
> archaeological evidence that dried Peyote "buttons" were an item of
> widespread trade among the American Indians of the Southwestern United
> States as much as 1,000 years ago.
>
> Many mind-altering plants were used by the pre-Colombian Indians for
> religious purposes, almost universally referred to as "spirit helpers."
> European conquerors were not sympathetic to such use of Peyote, however, any
> more than they were to the sacred mushrooms of the Mazatecs or the oliluquoy
> (a variety of morning glory seed) of the Aztecs.
>
> The cultural gulf between the two world views is still well-illustrated by
> a single widespread misconception: Americans of European extraction almost
> universally believe that native shamans or "witch doctors" feed their
> patients hallucinogenic brews as "medicine." In fact, the almost-universal
> practice among Native cultures is for the doctor to ritually consume the
> consciousness-altering drugs in order to perceive, through revelation, the
> nature of the patient's illness.
>
> Showing little interest in such distinctions, the conquistadors dismissed
> the resultant states of consciousness as mere "drunkenness," called the
> sacramental use of the plants "witchcraft," and tried ruthlessly to stamp
> out the practice. Those sacred or revered plants which were not banned -
> like tobacco and cocoa - were debased into casual recreations.
>
> Although the natural hallucinogen continued to be used - along with such
> non-chemical methods as fasting and sweat lodges - by holy men in private,
> by the early years of this century, anthropologists could find only one
> tribe where Peyote religious rituals seem to have survived intact from
> pre-conquest times: the Wixarica or "Huichol." However, in the late 19th
> century, a new and defiant religion, the Ghost Dance, arose among the last
> surviving free Indians of the American West. Practitioners danced at night
> around fires, believing that participation would make the warriors
> invulnerable to the army's bullets.
>
> It didn't, and many of the surviving leaders of the Ghost Dance became road
> chiefs of the less-confrontational Peyote churches which began to organize
> on the reservations around the turn of the century, attempting to recapture
> Indian spiritualism in a non-violent form, organizing Peyote use into group
> ritual, often involving the passing of a bowl of Peyote tea during an all
> night religious ceremony, similar to the practice of the Huichol.
>
> Jonathan Koshiway, a former missionary for the Reorganized Church of Jesus
> Christ of Latter Day Saints, was one of the leaders of the Oto Church of the
> First Born, which in 1914 became the first of several Peyote churches
> seeking legal incorporation. Koshiway saw no conflict between Christian
> doctrine and Peyote use. Koshiway eventually split from the Oto Church over
> its use of tobacco, and became one of the founders of the Native American
> Church in 1918. All-night meetings of the Native American Church, considered
> by adherents to represent an "Indian version of Christianity," are generally
> held on Saturdays, with members partaking of the hallucinogenic sacrament
> under the guidance of experienced "road chiefs."
>
> The federal government recognizes the use of Peyote by members of the NAC,
> but grants this exception to the Drug Abuse Control Act of 1965 - which
> lists Peyote as a Schedule 1 "narcotic" - only for those who can prove 25
> percent Indian blood, putting government in the odd position of allowing
> selective degrees of religious freedom based on racial bloodlines.
>
> Reverend Immanuel Pardeahtan Trujillo, who had joined the NAC in 1948, was
> central among prominent members of the church who objected to the
> government's imposition of this racial exclusivity. Trujillo, son of a
> French mother and San Carlos Apache father, was raised by an adoptive family
> in New Jersey. Although Trujillo himself is 50 percent Indian, his children
> are only of 25 percent Indian blood. He testified in court in a Dallas
> Federal court in 1982 that he feared his grandchildren could "be barred from
> the church and from partaking of the sacrament" despite his teachings. Thus,
> Trujillo became a founding member of the "all-race group" within the NAC,
> consisting mostly of Korean veterans, in the mid-1960s. But the church
> quickly responded to political pressure and revoked the charter of the
> all-race group. Trujillo left the NAC in 1966, establishing a church that
> would eventually evolve into the Peyote Way Church of God.
> [image: Immanuel Trujillo, Anne Zapf, Matthew Kent]
>
> Trujillo purchased the 160-acre Peaceful Valley Ranch in the isolated
> Aravaipa Valley in Southeastern Arizona in 1970, on the "backside" of one of
> the Apaches' most striking sacred sites, Mount Graham. In 1977, the Peyote
> Way Church of God was founded at the ranch by Trujillo, Right Sister Anne L.
> Zapf, and Rabbi Matthew S. Kent, for the specific purpose of "stewarding,
> ingesting, distributing and growing the Holy Sacrament Peyote as the
> essential and inseparable part" of the members' religious beliefs.
>
> Much of the dietary doctrine of the Peyote Way Church is drawn from
> Mormonism, and particularly from Section 89 of the Doctrine and Covenants of
> Joseph Smith, the founder of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day
> Saints, which Church members interpret as prohibiting alcohol, tobacco,
> caffeine, and foods containing white sugar or white flour, as well as
> sharply restricting the use of meat to "times of famine and excess hunger."
>
> Church members see no conflict between Smith's "Word of Wisdom" and the
> ingestion of Peyote, since they distinguish between the casual, unsanctified
> use of purified pharmaceutical "drugs" and the ingestion of whole complex
> plants like the Peyote cactus in the pursuit of spiritual enlightenment. In
> fact, Smith's Word of Wisdom specifically states "Every herb in the season
> thereof, and every fruit in the season thereof; all these to be used with
> prudence and thanksgiving."
>
> Joseph Smith taught that the Christian canon was incomplete and thus
> necessitated the reopening of the "windows of heaven." He also taught that
> it was the ability to "comprehend by the inspiration of Almighty God," which
> distinguishes the human from the beast. The Peyote Way Church of God teaches
> that direct religious revelation remains available to anyone who seeks it,
> and is directly beneficial providing it is sought in the right spirit.
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> From: robert charleston <robster1971 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Digest, Vol 13, Issue 57
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> thanks just curious? rc
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> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 8:37 AM, Randy Faulconer <bicuitboy714 at gmail.com
> >wrote:
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>                No Rob, it's usually just the other way around. Most people
>
> have that pink cloud thing going for a while after a treatment.
>
>
>             Randy
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>  On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 7:30 AM, robert charleston <
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> robster1971 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>  does more irratabity come about from treatment? rob c.
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>  On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 6:27 AM, simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk
> >wrote:
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>  J' its OK man; its best to just ignore things like this otherwise you
>
>  are giving them exactly what they want; attention.
>
>
>  You also dont know who you are dealing with; you could have a bipolar
>
>  schizophrenic; (No disrespect). They also have their right to freedom of
>
>  speech.
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>  *From:* Jeremy Spence <jlspence at mac.com>
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>  *To:* ibogaine at mindvox.com
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>  *Sent:* Sunday, 18 January, 2009 13:02:05
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>  *Subject:* Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Digest, Vol 13, Issue 57
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>  WHO THE FUCK HAS A PROBLEM WITH SIMON, IF THEY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SIMOM
>
>  THEY GOT A PROBLEM WITH ME TOO!!
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>  YOU FUCK OFFF
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>   1. Re: Similarities with Psilosybin and Ibogaine (simon loxton)
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>   2. Re: RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls (simon loxton)
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>   3. Re: RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls (Jasen C)
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>   4. Re: RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls (simon loxton)
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>   Message: 1
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>   Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 09:02:19 +0000 (GMT)
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>   From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
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>   Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Similarities with Psilosybin and Ibogaine
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>   I was going to suggest he leave his mothers PC alone and stick with the
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>  play station but did not want to aggravate his condition.
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>   From: Capt Kirk <captkirknz at yahoo.co.uk>
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>   Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 9:59:43
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>   Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Similarities with Psilosybin and Ibogaine
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>   Um, ok and you are?  And what's your site so I know never ever ever
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>  ever to visit it? Not that I believe in hell
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>  anyway.......................................
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>   Love these charming emails.....
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>   Unless I missing something................wtf?
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>   From: s james <niknox at shaw.ca>
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>   listen simon you appear more than most cockroach infestations fuck off
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>   Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 09:03:27 +0000 (GMT)
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>   From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
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>   Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
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>   I get what you mean though; iboga is very good on the psycho-spiritual
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>  side; its just that iboga is more difficult to work with
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>   From: Jasen C <jasenhappy2008 at yahoo..com.au<jasenhappy2008 at yahoo.com.au>
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>   Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 10:56:36
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>   Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
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>   Hello Simon,
>
>
>   I agree Iboga works well for addiction I was given Iboga 5 years ago
>
>  for a 23 year methadone habit and I have seen it work on many other
> people.
>
>
>
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>   ________________________________
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>   From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
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>   To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
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>   Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 6:23:56 PM
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>   Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
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>   I was referring to root bark when I said iboga. I find iboga works very
>
>  well for addiction; ask Matt for one.
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>   I think ibogaine is just a hell of a lot easier which is why I like it
>
>  for addiction interruption; especially for opiates.
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>   From: Jasen C <jasenhappy2008 at yahoo.com.au>
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>   To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
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>   Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 8:34:50
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>   Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
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>   Hello Simon,
>
>
>   You may be talking about another iboga extract not Indra, if you took
>
>  10grams of the Indra it would blow your top, break the head completely
> open
>
>  in most cases and stop withdrawal completely. I have seen people have a
> lot
>
>  less than 10 grams, more like 4 to 7grams of Indra and it has worked
>
>  beautifully.
>
>
>   As I am sure you would know, the Indra was made many years ago ( a few
>
>  dozen kilo's) and is the only known proven extract where the content of
>
>  Ibogaine is known so a dose can be correctly measured.
>
>
>   Sara in Amsterdam does this very well and is the only source of Indra
>
>  that I know of. We need her back on the list
>
>
>   With opiate withdrawal a flood dose then a booster dose seems to work
>
>  well with Ibogaine.
>
>
>   I saw someone the other day who had 5 grams of Indra Extract for psycho
>
>  spiritual. Seems to be much smoother than Ibogaine, maybe the other
>
>  alkaloids play a part that science has not been able to measure yet.
>
>
>   Ibogaine seems to work better for addiction as it coats the receptors
>
>  better however I believe Iboga is better for psycho spiritual.
>
>
>   Jasen
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>   ________________________________
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>   From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
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>   To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
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>   Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 3:46:19 AM
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>   Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>
>
>
>   Well are you referring to ibogaine (an extract) or what was known as
>
>  indra?
>
>
>   I guess you are referring to opiate withdrawal but its more common to
>
>  give lower doses over an extended period of time for meth and coke; Rocky
>
>  came up with a good protocol like this.
>
>
>   Personally I have never experimented with the least you would need to
>
>  keep withdrawal from opiates at bay. I would not want to put the patient
> in
>
>  an uncomfortable position by doing this. Saying so; 5-10g of iboga is
> enough
>
>  to keep withdrawal at bay for up to 12 hrs. This is about all I can offer
>
>  from experience; I would only be guessing or using some one elses
>
>  information in terms of an extract or ibogaine in a minimal dose and I
> cant
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>  think of any off hand.
>
>
>   The lowest I have used ibogaine wise for opiates is 16mg/kg but prefer
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>  to work between 17 and 20 mg/kg.
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>   Generally I prefer a single dose followed up by low doses for opiates
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>  so there is no discomfort.
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>   From: DC from AZ <dcollier9 at cox.net>
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>   To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
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>   Sent: Saturday, 17 January, 2009 19:29:26
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>   Subject: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>
>
>
>   Anyone know what a non-initiation, medical only RX script might say
>
>   for low dose usage of Iboga extract for relief of withdrawls.
>
>
>   are we there yet ?
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>   http://www.drogriporter.hu/en/ibogainesession.
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>   Don zo
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>   "Love converts hearts, and gives peace..."
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>   From: michael langshaw
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>   Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 7:00 PM
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>   Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CIA drug abuse
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>
>   That's what my shrink did to me with this suboxone shit. I went int his
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>  office, told him how much I was using and he wrote me out a script and
> sent
>
>  me on my way. Nice guy. I got no one to blame but myself. I was capable
> of
>
>  researching it........Sorry, just a little venting there.
>
>   Mike
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>   --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Edward A. Weissbard <edward.escs at gmail.com>
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>  wrote:
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>   From: Edward A. Weissbard <edward.escs at gmail.com>
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>   Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CIA drug abuse
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>   To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
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>   Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 8:37 PM
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>
>
>   Scott,
>
>
>   Reading the info. reminded me of the movie, *Jacobs Ladder* from early
>
>   90's, where the US Army experimented with BZ Gas on active duty
>
>  personal
>
>   during Vietnam.  A Very strange but interesting movie, for those that
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>   haven't seen it yet.  Seems pretty low to give someone a mind altering
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>   substance without them even knowing.
>
>   --Edward
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>   Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 01:43:34 -0800 (PST)
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>   From: Jasen C <jasenhappy2008 at yahoo.com.au>
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>   Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
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>   Hello Simon
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>
>   Yes your right. Iboga is more difficult to work with unless of course
>
>  you know the Iboga you are working with (content of Ibogaine) such as the
>
>  Indra?extract Sara works with. Then you can dose with confidence that the
>
>  client gets what they need.
>
>
>   I have seen Sara dose people with addictions and for psycho spiritual
>
>  with her Iboga extract?with great results.
>
>
>   I understand your comment that Ibogaine is easier to work with.
>
>
>   Jasen
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>   ________________________________
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>   From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
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>   To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
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>   Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 7:03:27 PM
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>   Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>
>
>
>   I get what you mean though; iboga is very good on the psycho-spiritual
>
>  side; its just that iboga is more difficult to work with
>
>
>
>
>
>   ________________________________
>
>   From: Jasen C <jasenhappy2008 at yahoo.com.au>
>
>   To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
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>   Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 10:56:36
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>   Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>
>
>
>   Hello Simon,
>
>
>   I agree Iboga works well for addiction I was given Iboga 5 years ago
>
>  for a 23 year methadone habit and I have seen it work on many other
> people.
>
>
>
>
>
>   ________________________________
>
>   From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co..uk>
>
>   To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>
>   Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 6:23:56 PM
>
>   Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>
>
>
>   I was referring to root bark when I said iboga. I find iboga works very
>
>  well for addiction; ask Matt for one.
>
>
>   I think ibogaine is just a hell of a lot easier which is why I like it
>
>  for addiction interruption; especially for opiates.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   ________________________________
>
>   From: Jasen C <jasenhappy2008 at yahoo.com.au>
>
>   To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>
>   Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 8:34:50
>
>   Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>
>
>
>   Hello Simon,
>
>
>   You may be talking about another iboga extract not Indra, if you took
>
>  10grams of the Indra?it would blow your top, break the head completely
> open
>
>  in most cases and stop withdrawal completely. I have seen people have a
> lot
>
>  less than 10 grams, more like 4 to 7grams of Indra and it has worked
>
>  beautifully.
>
>
>   As?I am sure you would know, the Indra was made many years ago ( a few
>
>  dozen kilo's)?and is the only known proven extract where the content of
>
>  Ibogaine is known?so a dose can be correctly measured.
>
>
>   Sara in Amsterdam does this very well and is the only source of Indra
>
>  that I know of. We need her back on the list
>
>
>   With opiate withdrawal a flood dose then a booster dose seems to work
>
>  well with Ibogaine.
>
>
>   I saw someone the other day who had 5 grams of Indra Extract for psycho
>
>  spiritual. Seems to be much smoother than Ibogaine, maybe the other
>
>  alkaloids play a part that science has not been able to measure yet.
>
>
>   Ibogaine seems to work better for addiction as it coats the receptors
>
>  better however I believe Iboga is better for psycho spiritual.
>
>
>   Jasen
>
>
>
>
>   ?
>
>
>   ?
>
>
>
>   ________________________________
>
>   From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
>
>   To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>
>   Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 3:46:19 AM
>
>   Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>
>
>
>   Well are you referring to ibogaine (an extract) or what was known as
>
>  indra?
>
>
>   I guess you are referring to opiate withdrawal but its more common to
>
>  give lower doses over an extended period of time for meth and coke; Rocky
>
>  came up with a good protocol like this.
>
>
>   Personally I have never experimented with the least you would need to
>
>  keep withdrawal from opiates at bay. I would not want to put the patient
> in
>
>  an uncomfortable position by doing this. Saying so; 5-10g of iboga is
> enough
>
>  to keep withdrawal at bay for up to 12 hrs. This is about all I can offer
>
>  from experience; I would only be guessing or using some one elses
>
>  information in terms of an extract or ibogaine in a minimal dose and I
> cant
>
>  think of any off hand.
>
>
>   The lowest I have used ibogaine wise for opiates is 16mg/kg but prefer
>
>  to work between 17 and 20 mg/kg.
>
>
>   Generally I prefer a single dose followed up by low doses for opiates
>
>  so there is no discomfort.
>
>
>
>
>
>   ________________________________
>
>   From: DC from AZ <dcollier9 at cox..net>
>
>   To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>
>   Sent: Saturday, 17 January, 2009 19:29:26
>
>   Subject: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>
>
>
>   Anyone know what a non-initiation, medical only RX script might say
>
>   for low dose usage of Iboga extract for relief of withdrawls.
>
>   ?
>
>   are we there yet ?
>
>   ?
>
>   http://www.drogriporter.hu/en/ibogainesession.
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>   Don zo
>
>   "Love converts hearts, and gives peace..."
>
>   __________________________________________________
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>
>   From: michael langshaw
>
>   To: The Ibogaine List
>
>   Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 7:00 PM
>
>   Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CIA drug abuse
>
>
>   That's what my shrink did to me with this suboxone shit. I went int
>
>  his?office, told him how much I was using and he wrote me out a script
> and
>
>  sent me on my way.?Nice guy. I got no one to blame but myself. I was
> capable
>
>  of researching it.......Sorry, just a li
>
> ...
>
> [Message clipped]
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