[Ibogaine] Ibogaine Digest, Vol 13, Issue 57

Warren Theriot wleetheriot at ca.rr.com
Sun Jan 18 10:23:06 EST 2009


Ibogaine treatment gives a sense of peace and equanimity to the  
psyche. Opiates and stimulants make one extremely irritable.
Warren

On Jan 18, 2009, at 4:30 AM, robert charleston wrote:

> does more irratabity come about from treatment? rob c.
>
> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 6:27 AM, simon loxton  
> <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> J' its OK man; its best to just ignore things like this otherwise  
> you are giving them exactly what they want; attention.
>
> You also dont know who you are dealing with; you could have a  
> bipolar schizophrenic; (No disrespect). They also have their right  
> to freedom of speech.
>
> From: Jeremy Spence <jlspence at mac.com>
> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 13:02:05
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Digest, Vol 13, Issue 57
>
> WHO THE FUCK HAS A PROBLEM WITH SIMON, IF THEY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH  
> SIMOM THEY GOT A PROBLEM WITH ME TOO!!
>
>
> YOU FUCK OFFF
> On Jan 18, 2009, at 4:53 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote:
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> >  1. Re: Similarities with Psilosybin and Ibogaine (simon loxton)
> >  2. Re: RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls (simon loxton)
> >  3. Re: RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls (Jasen C)
> >  4. Re: RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls (simon loxton)
> >
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 09:02:19 +0000 (GMT)
> > From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Similarities with Psilosybin and Ibogaine
> > To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> > Message-ID: <591613.91287.qm at web28605.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > I was going to suggest he leave his mothers PC alone and stick  
> with the play station but did not want to aggravate his condition.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Capt Kirk <captkirknz at yahoo.co.uk>
> > To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 9:59:43
> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Similarities with Psilosybin and Ibogaine
> >
> >
> > Um, ok and you are?  And what's your site so I know never ever  
> ever ever to visit it? Not that I believe in hell  
> anyway.......................................
> > Love these charming emails.....
> > Unless I missing something................wtf?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: s james <niknox at shaw.ca>
> > To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> >
> > ?
> > listen simon you appear more than most cockroach infestations fuck  
> off from my site or hell you invite
> >
> >
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> > Message: 2
> > Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 09:03:27 +0000 (GMT)
> > From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
> > To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> > Message-ID: <76138.35638.qm at web28616.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > I get what you mean though; iboga is very good on the psycho- 
> spiritual side; its just that iboga is more difficult to work with
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Jasen C <jasenhappy2008 at yahoo..com.au>
> > To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 10:56:36
> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
> >
> >
> > Hello Simon,
> >
> > I agree Iboga works well for addiction I was given Iboga 5 years  
> ago for a 23 year methadone habit and I have seen it work on many  
> other people.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
> > To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 6:23:56 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
> >
> >
> > I was referring to root bark when I said iboga. I find iboga works  
> very well for addiction; ask Matt for one.
> >
> > I think ibogaine is just a hell of a lot easier which is why I  
> like it for addiction interruption; especially for opiates.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Jasen C <jasenhappy2008 at yahoo.com.au>
> > To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 8:34:50
> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
> >
> >
> > Hello Simon,
> >
> > You may be talking about another iboga extract not Indra, if you  
> took 10grams of the Indra it would blow your top, break the head  
> completely open in most cases and stop withdrawal completely. I have  
> seen people have a lot less than 10 grams, more like 4 to 7grams of  
> Indra and it has worked beautifully.
> >
> > As I am sure you would know, the Indra was made many years ago ( a  
> few dozen kilo's) and is the only known proven extract where the  
> content of Ibogaine is known so a dose can be correctly measured.
> >
> > Sara in Amsterdam does this very well and is the only source of  
> Indra that I know of. We need her back on the list
> >
> > With opiate withdrawal a flood dose then a booster dose seems to  
> work well with Ibogaine.
> >
> > I saw someone the other day who had 5 grams of Indra Extract for  
> psycho spiritual. Seems to be much smoother than Ibogaine, maybe the  
> other alkaloids play a part that science has not been able to  
> measure yet.
> >
> > Ibogaine seems to work better for addiction as it coats the  
> receptors better however I believe Iboga is better for psycho  
> spiritual.
> >
> > Jasen
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
> > To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 3:46:19 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
> >
> >
> > Well are you referring to ibogaine (an extract) or what was known  
> as indra?
> >
> > I guess you are referring to opiate withdrawal but its more common  
> to give lower doses over an extended period of time for meth and  
> coke; Rocky came up with a good protocol like this.
> >
> > Personally I have never experimented with the least you would need  
> to keep withdrawal from opiates at bay. I would not want to put the  
> patient in an uncomfortable position by doing this. Saying so; 5-10g  
> of iboga is enough to keep withdrawal at bay for up to 12 hrs. This  
> is about all I can offer from experience; I would only be guessing  
> or using some one elses information in terms of an extract or  
> ibogaine in a minimal dose and I cant think of any off hand.
> >
> > The lowest I have used ibogaine wise for opiates is 16mg/kg but  
> prefer to work between 17 and 20 mg/kg.
> >
> > Generally I prefer a single dose followed up by low doses for  
> opiates so there is no discomfort.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: DC from AZ <dcollier9 at cox.net>
> > To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, 17 January, 2009 19:29:26
> > Subject: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
> >
> >
> > Anyone know what a non-initiation, medical only RX script might say
> > for low dose usage of Iboga extract for relief of withdrawls.
> >
> > are we there yet ?
> >
> > http://www.drogriporter.hu/en/ibogainesession.
> >  
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Don zo
> > "Love converts hearts, and gives peace..."
> > __________________________________________________
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: michael langshaw
> > To: The Ibogaine List
> > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 7:00 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CIA drug abuse
> >
> > That's what my shrink did to me with this suboxone shit. I went  
> int his office, told him how much I was using and he wrote me out a  
> script and sent me on my way. Nice guy. I got no one to blame but  
> myself. I was capable of researching it........Sorry, just a little  
> venting there.
> > Mike
> >
> > --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Edward A. Weissbard <edward.escs at gmail.com>  
> wrote:
> >
> > From: Edward A. Weissbard <edward.escs at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CIA drug abuse
> > To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> > Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 8:37 PM
> >
> >
> > Scott,
> >
> > Reading the info. reminded me of the movie, *Jacobs Ladder* from  
> early
> > 90's, where the US Army experimented with BZ Gas on active duty  
> personal
> > during Vietnam.  A Very strange but interesting movie, for those  
> that
> > haven't seen it yet.  Seems pretty low to give someone a mind  
> altering
> > substance without them even knowing.
> > --Edward
> >
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> > Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 01:43:34 -0800 (PST)
> > From: Jasen C <jasenhappy2008 at yahoo.com.au>
> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
> > To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> > Message-ID: <610555.48729.qm at web59616.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Hello Simon
> >
> > Yes your right. Iboga is more difficult to work with unless of  
> course you know the Iboga you are working with (content of Ibogaine)  
> such as the Indra?extract Sara works with. Then you can dose with  
> confidence that the client gets what they need.
> >
> > I have seen Sara dose people with addictions and for psycho  
> spiritual with her Iboga extract?with great results.
> >
> > I understand your comment that Ibogaine is easier to work with.
> >
> > Jasen
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
> > To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 7:03:27 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
> >
> >
> > I get what you mean though; iboga is very good on the psycho- 
> spiritual side; its just that iboga is more difficult to work with
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Jasen C <jasenhappy2008 at yahoo.com.au>
> > To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 10:56:36
> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
> >
> >
> > Hello Simon,
> >
> > I agree Iboga works well for addiction I was given Iboga 5 years  
> ago for a 23 year methadone habit and I have seen it work on many  
> other people.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co..uk>
> > To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 6:23:56 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
> >
> >
> > I was referring to root bark when I said iboga. I find iboga works  
> very well for addiction; ask Matt for one.
> >
> > I think ibogaine is just a hell of a lot easier which is why I  
> like it for addiction interruption; especially for opiates.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Jasen C <jasenhappy2008 at yahoo.com.au>
> > To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 8:34:50
> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
> >
> >
> > Hello Simon,
> >
> > You may be talking about another iboga extract not Indra, if you  
> took 10grams of the Indra?it would blow your top, break the head  
> completely open in most cases and stop withdrawal completely. I have  
> seen people have a lot less than 10 grams, more like 4 to 7grams of  
> Indra and it has worked beautifully.
> >
> > As?I am sure you would know, the Indra was made many years ago ( a  
> few dozen kilo's)?and is the only known proven extract where the  
> content of Ibogaine is known?so a dose can be correctly measured.
> >
> > Sara in Amsterdam does this very well and is the only source of  
> Indra that I know of. We need her back on the list
> >
> > With opiate withdrawal a flood dose then a booster dose seems to  
> work well with Ibogaine.
> >
> > I saw someone the other day who had 5 grams of Indra Extract for  
> psycho spiritual. Seems to be much smoother than Ibogaine, maybe the  
> other alkaloids play a part that science has not been able to  
> measure yet.
> >
> > Ibogaine seems to work better for addiction as it coats the  
> receptors better however I believe Iboga is better for psycho  
> spiritual.
> >
> > Jasen
> >
> >
> >
> > ?
> >
> > ?
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
> > To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 3:46:19 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
> >
> >
> > Well are you referring to ibogaine (an extract) or what was known  
> as indra?
> >
> > I guess you are referring to opiate withdrawal but its more common  
> to give lower doses over an extended period of time for meth and  
> coke; Rocky came up with a good protocol like this.
> >
> > Personally I have never experimented with the least you would need  
> to keep withdrawal from opiates at bay. I would not want to put the  
> patient in an uncomfortable position by doing this. Saying so; 5-10g  
> of iboga is enough to keep withdrawal at bay for up to 12 hrs. This  
> is about all I can offer from experience; I would only be guessing  
> or using some one elses information in terms of an extract or  
> ibogaine in a minimal dose and I cant think of any off hand.
> >
> > The lowest I have used ibogaine wise for opiates is 16mg/kg but  
> prefer to work between 17 and 20 mg/kg.
> >
> > Generally I prefer a single dose followed up by low doses for  
> opiates so there is no discomfort.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: DC from AZ <dcollier9 at cox..net>
> > To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, 17 January, 2009 19:29:26
> > Subject: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
> >
> >
> > Anyone know what a non-initiation, medical only RX script might say
> > for low dose usage of Iboga extract for relief of withdrawls.
> > ?
> > are we there yet ?
> > ?
> > http://www.drogriporter.hu/en/ibogainesession.
> >  
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Don zo
> > "Love converts hearts, and gives peace..."
> > __________________________________________________
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: michael langshaw
> > To: The Ibogaine List
> > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 7:00 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CIA drug abuse
> >
> > That's what my shrink did to me with this suboxone shit. I went  
> int his?office, told him how much I was using and he wrote me out a  
> script and sent me on my way.?Nice guy. I got no one to blame but  
> myself. I was capable of researching it.......Sorry, just a little  
> venting there.
> > Mike
> >
> > --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Edward A. Weissbard <edward.escs at gmail.com>  
> wrote:
> >
> > From: Edward A. Weissbard <edward.escs at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CIA drug abuse
> > To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> > Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 8:37 PM
> >
> >
> > Scott,
> >
> > Reading the info. reminded me of the movie, *Jacobs Ladder* from  
> early
> > 90's, where the US Army experimented with BZ Gas on active duty  
> personal
> > during Vietnam.  A Very strange but interesting movie, for those  
> that
> > haven't seen it yet.  Seems pretty low to give someone a mind  
> altering
> > substance without them even knowing.
> > --Edward
> >
> >
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> > Message: 4
> > Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:53:34 +0000 (GMT)
> > From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
> > To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> > Message-ID: <742836.608.qm at web28610.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Yes; its really knowing your product; and having a constant in  
> terms of quality. Ibogaine is more predictable in this respect.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Jasen C <jasenhappy2008 at yahoo.com.au>
> > To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 11:43:34
> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
> >
> >
> > Hello Simon
> >
> > Yes your right. Iboga is more difficult to work with unless of  
> course you know the Iboga you are working with (content of Ibogaine)  
> such as the Indra extract Sara works with. Then you can dose with  
> confidence that the client gets what they need.
> >
> > I have seen Sara dose people with addictions and for psycho  
> spiritual with her Iboga extract with great results.
> >
> > I understand your comment that Ibogaine is easier to work with.
> >
> > Jasen
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
> > To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 7:03:27 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
> >
> >
> > I get what you mean though; iboga is very good on the psycho- 
> spiritual side; its just that iboga is more difficult to work with
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Jasen C <jasenhappy2008 at yahoo.com.au>
> > To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 10:56:36
> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
> >
> >
> > Hello Simon,
> >
> > I agree Iboga works well for addiction I was given Iboga 5 years  
> ago for a 23 year methadone habit and I have seen it work on many  
> other people.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
> > To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 6:23:56 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
> >
> >
> > I was referring to root bark when I said iboga.. I find iboga  
> works very well for addiction; ask Matt for one.
> >
> > I think ibogaine is just a hell of a lot easier which is why I  
> like it for addiction interruption; especially for opiates.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Jasen C <jasenhappy2008 at yahoo.com.au>
> > To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 8:34:50
> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
> >
> >
> > Hello Simon,
> >
> > You may be talking about another iboga extract not Indra, if you  
> took 10grams of the Indra it would blow your top, break the head  
> completely open in most cases and stop withdrawal completely. I have  
> seen people have a lot less than 10 grams, more like 4 to 7grams of  
> Indra and it has worked beautifully.
> >
> > As I am sure you would know, the Indra was made many years ago ( a  
> few dozen kilo's) and is the only known proven extract where the  
> content of Ibogaine is known so a dose can be correctly measured.
> >
> > Sara in Amsterdam does this very well and is the only source of  
> Indra that I know of. We need her back on the list
> >
> > With opiate withdrawal a flood dose then a booster dose seems to  
> work well with Ibogaine.
> >
> > I saw someone the other day who had 5 grams of Indra Extract for  
> psycho spiritual. Seems to be much smoother than Ibogaine, maybe the  
> other alkaloids play a part that science has not been able to  
> measure yet.
> >
> > Ibogaine seems to work better for addiction as it coats the  
> receptors better however I believe Iboga is better for psycho  
> spiritual.
> >
> > Jasen
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
> > To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 3:46:19 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
> >
> >
> > Well are you referring to ibogaine (an extract) or what was known  
> as indra?
> >
> > I guess you are referring to opiate withdrawal but its more common  
> to give lower doses over an extended period of time for meth and  
> coke; Rocky came up with a good protocol like this.
> >
> > Personally I have never experimented with the least you would need  
> to keep withdrawal from opiates at bay. I would not want to put the  
> patient in an uncomfortable position by doing this. Saying so; 5-10g  
> of iboga is enough to keep withdrawal at bay for up to 12 hrs. This  
> is about all I can offer from experience; I would only be guessing  
> or using some one elses information in terms of an extract or  
> ibogaine in a minimal dose and I cant think of any off hand.
> >
> > The lowest I have used ibogaine wise for opiates is 16mg/kg but  
> prefer to work between 17 and 20 mg/kg.
> >
> > Generally I prefer a single dose followed up by low doses for  
> opiates so there is no discomfort.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: DC from AZ <dcollier9 at cox.net>
> > To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, 17 January, 2009 19:29:26
> > Subject: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
> >
> >
> > Anyone know what a non-initiation, medical only RX script might say
> > for low dose usage of Iboga extract for relief of withdrawls.
> >
> > are we there yet ?
> >
> > http://www.drogriporter.hu/en/ibogainesession..
> >  
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Don zo
> > "Love converts hearts, and gives peace..."
> > __________________________________________________
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: michael langshaw
> > To: The Ibogaine List
> > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 7:00 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CIA drug abuse
> >
> > That's what my shrink did to me with this suboxone shit. I went  
> int his office, told him how much I was using and he wrote me out a  
> script and sent me on my way. Nice guy. I got no one to blame but  
> myself. I was capable of researching it.......Sorry, just a little  
> venting there.
> > Mike
> >
> > --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Edward A. Weissbard <edward.escs at gmail.com>  
> wrote:
> >
> > From: Edward A. Weissbard <edward.escs at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CIA drug abuse
> > To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> > Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 8:37 PM
> >
> >
> > Scott,
> >
> > Reading the info. reminded me of the movie, *Jacobs Ladder* from  
> early
> > 90's, where the US Army experimented with BZ Gas on active duty  
> personal
> > during Vietnam.  A Very strange but interesting movie, for those  
> that
> > haven't seen it yet.  Seems pretty low to give someone a mind  
> altering
> > substance without them even knowing.
> > --Edward
> >
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