[Ibogaine] Ibogaine Digest, Vol 13, Issue 59

robert charleston robster1971 at gmail.com
Sun Jan 18 07:48:43 EST 2009


u have his back that shows from the heart jeremy

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 7:25 AM, Jeremy Spence <jlspence at mac.com> wrote:

> yea, i hear you, but people need to get a grip.
>
> I believe in free speech too.  but that does mean I not going to say
> something if I believe its fuck up.
>
> Was just trying to have your back thats all.
> On Jan 18, 2009, at 5:27 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote:
>
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>>  1. Re: Ibogaine Digest, Vol 13, Issue 57 (simon loxton)
>>
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 11:27:20 +0000 (GMT)
>> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Digest, Vol 13, Issue 57
>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
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>> J' its OK man; its best to just ignore things like this otherwise you are
>> giving them exactly what they want; attention.
>>
>> You also dont know who you are dealing with; you could have a bipolar
>> schizophrenic; (No disrespect). They also have their right to freedom of
>> speech.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Jeremy Spence <jlspence at mac.com>
>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
>> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 13:02:05
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Digest, Vol 13, Issue 57
>>
>> WHO THE FUCK HAS A PROBLEM WITH SIMON, IF THEY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SIMOM
>> THEY GOT A PROBLEM WITH ME TOO!!
>>
>>
>> YOU FUCK OFFF
>> On Jan 18, 2009, at 4:53 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote:
>>
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>>>
>>>  1. Re: Similarities with Psilosybin and Ibogaine (simon loxton)
>>>  2. Re: RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls (simon loxton)
>>>  3. Re: RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls (Jasen C)
>>>  4. Re: RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls (simon loxton)
>>>
>>>
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 09:02:19 +0000 (GMT)
>>> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Similarities with Psilosybin and Ibogaine
>>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>> Message-ID: <591613.91287.qm at web28605.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>
>>> I was going to suggest he leave his mothers PC alone and stick with the
>>> play station but did not want to aggravate his condition.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Capt Kirk <captkirknz at yahoo.co.uk>
>>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 9:59:43
>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Similarities with Psilosybin and Ibogaine
>>>
>>>
>>> Um, ok and you are?  And what's your site so I know never ever ever ever
>>> to visit it? Not that I believe in hell
>>> anyway........................................
>>> Love these charming emails.....
>>> Unless I missing something................wtf?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: s james <niknox at shaw.ca>
>>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>>
>>> ?
>>> listen simon you appear more than most cockroach infestations fuck off
>>> from my site or hell you invite
>>>
>>>
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>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 09:03:27 +0000 (GMT)
>>> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
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>>>
>>> I get what you mean though; iboga is very good on the psycho-spiritual
>>> side; its just that iboga is more difficult to work with
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Jasen C <jasenhappy2008 at yahoo.com.au>
>>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 10:56:36
>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello Simon,
>>>
>>> I agree Iboga works well for addiction I was given Iboga 5 years ago for
>>> a 23 year methadone habit and I have seen it work on many other people.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
>>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 6:23:56 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>>>
>>>
>>> I was referring to root bark when I said iboga. I find iboga works very
>>> well for addiction; ask Matt for one.
>>>
>>> I think ibogaine is just a hell of a lot easier which is why I like it
>>> for addiction interruption; especially for opiates.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Jasen C <jasenhappy2008 at yahoo.com.au>
>>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 8:34:50
>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello Simon,
>>>
>>> You may be talking about another iboga extract not Indra, if you took
>>> 10grams of the Indra it would blow your top, break the head completely open
>>> in most cases and stop withdrawal completely. I have seen people have a lot
>>> less than 10 grams, more like 4 to 7grams of Indra and it has worked
>>> beautifully.
>>>
>>> As I am sure you would know, the Indra was made many years ago ( a few
>>> dozen kilo's) and is the only known proven extract where the content of
>>> Ibogaine is known so a dose can be correctly measured.
>>>
>>> Sara in Amsterdam does this very well and is the only source of Indra
>>> that I know of. We need her back on the list
>>>
>>> With opiate withdrawal a flood dose then a booster dose seems to work
>>> well with Ibogaine.
>>>
>>> I saw someone the other day who had 5 grams of Indra Extract for psycho
>>> spiritual. Seems to be much smoother than Ibogaine, maybe the other
>>> alkaloids play a part that science has not been able to measure yet.
>>>
>>> Ibogaine seems to work better for addiction as it coats the receptors
>>> better however I believe Iboga is better for psycho spiritual.
>>>
>>> Jasen
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
>>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 3:46:19 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>>>
>>>
>>> Well are you referring to ibogaine (an extract) or what was known as
>>> indra?
>>>
>>> I guess you are referring to opiate withdrawal but its more common to
>>> give lower doses over an extended period of time for meth and coke; Rocky
>>> came up with a good protocol like this.
>>>
>>> Personally I have never experimented with the least you would need to
>>> keep withdrawal from opiates at bay. I would not want to put the patient in
>>> an uncomfortable position by doing this. Saying so; 5-10g of iboga is enough
>>> to keep withdrawal at bay for up to 12 hrs. This is about all I can offer
>>> from experience; I would only be guessing or using some one elses
>>> information in terms of an extract or ibogaine in a minimal dose and I cant
>>> think of any off hand.
>>>
>>> The lowest I have used ibogaine wise for opiates is 16mg/kg but prefer to
>>> work between 17 and 20 mg/kg.
>>>
>>> Generally I prefer a single dose followed up by low doses for opiates so
>>> there is no discomfort.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: DC from AZ <dcollier9 at cox.net>
>>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>> Sent: Saturday, 17 January, 2009 19:29:26
>>> Subject: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>>>
>>>
>>> Anyone know what a non-initiation, medical only RX script might say
>>> for low dose usage of Iboga extract for relief of withdrawls.
>>>
>>> are we there yet ?
>>>
>>> http://www.drogriporter.hu/en/ibogainesession.
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Don zo
>>> "Love converts hearts, and gives peace..."
>>> __________________________________________________
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: michael langshaw
>>> To: The Ibogaine List
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 7:00 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CIA drug abuse
>>>
>>> That's what my shrink did to me with this suboxone shit. I went int his
>>> office, told him how much I was using and he wrote me out a script and sent
>>> me on my way. Nice guy. I got no one to blame but myself. I was capable of
>>> researching it.......Sorry, just a little venting there.
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Edward A. Weissbard <edward.escs at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> From: Edward A. Weissbard <edward.escs at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CIA drug abuse
>>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
>>> Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 8:37 PM
>>>
>>>
>>> Scott,
>>>
>>> Reading the info. reminded me of the movie, *Jacobs Ladder* from early
>>> 90's, where the US Army experimented with BZ Gas on active duty personal
>>> during Vietnam.  A Very strange but interesting movie, for those that
>>> haven't seen it yet.  Seems pretty low to give someone a mind altering
>>> substance without them even knowing.
>>> --Edward
>>>
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>>> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 01:43:34 -0800 (PST)
>>> From: Jasen C <jasenhappy2008 at yahoo.com.au>
>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>> Message-ID: <610555.48729.qm at web59616.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
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>>>
>>> Hello Simon
>>>
>>> Yes your right. Iboga is more difficult to work with unless of course you
>>> know the Iboga you are working with (content of Ibogaine) such as the
>>> Indra?extract Sara works with. Then you can dose with confidence that the
>>> client gets what they need.
>>>
>>> I have seen Sara dose people with addictions and for psycho spiritual
>>> with her Iboga extract?with great results.
>>>
>>> I understand your comment that Ibogaine is easier to work with.
>>>
>>> Jasen
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
>>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 7:03:27 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>>>
>>>
>>> I get what you mean though; iboga is very good on the psycho-spiritual
>>> side; its just that iboga is more difficult to work with
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Jasen C <jasenhappy2008 at yahoo.com.au>
>>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 10:56:36
>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello Simon,
>>>
>>> I agree Iboga works well for addiction I was given Iboga 5 years ago for
>>> a 23 year methadone habit and I have seen it work on many other people.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co..uk>
>>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 6:23:56 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>>>
>>>
>>> I was referring to root bark when I said iboga. I find iboga works very
>>> well for addiction; ask Matt for one.
>>>
>>> I think ibogaine is just a hell of a lot easier which is why I like it
>>> for addiction interruption; especially for opiates.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Jasen C <jasenhappy2008 at yahoo.com.au>
>>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 8:34:50
>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello Simon,
>>>
>>> You may be talking about another iboga extract not Indra, if you took
>>> 10grams of the Indra?it would blow your top, break the head completely open
>>> in most cases and stop withdrawal completely. I have seen people have a lot
>>> less than 10 grams, more like 4 to 7grams of Indra and it has worked
>>> beautifully.
>>>
>>> As?I am sure you would know, the Indra was made many years ago ( a few
>>> dozen kilo's)?and is the only known proven extract where the content of
>>> Ibogaine is known?so a dose can be correctly measured.
>>>
>>> Sara in Amsterdam does this very well and is the only source of Indra
>>> that I know of. We need her back on the list
>>>
>>> With opiate withdrawal a flood dose then a booster dose seems to work
>>> well with Ibogaine.
>>>
>>> I saw someone the other day who had 5 grams of Indra Extract for psycho
>>> spiritual. Seems to be much smoother than Ibogaine, maybe the other
>>> alkaloids play a part that science has not been able to measure yet.
>>>
>>> Ibogaine seems to work better for addiction as it coats the receptors
>>> better however I believe Iboga is better for psycho spiritual.
>>>
>>> Jasen
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
>>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 3:46:19 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>>>
>>>
>>> Well are you referring to ibogaine (an extract) or what was known as
>>> indra?
>>>
>>> I guess you are referring to opiate withdrawal but its more common to
>>> give lower doses over an extended period of time for meth and coke; Rocky
>>> came up with a good protocol like this.
>>>
>>> Personally I have never experimented with the least you would need to
>>> keep withdrawal from opiates at bay. I would not want to put the patient in
>>> an uncomfortable position by doing this. Saying so; 5-10g of iboga is enough
>>> to keep withdrawal at bay for up to 12 hrs. This is about all I can offer
>>> from experience; I would only be guessing or using some one elses
>>> information in terms of an extract or ibogaine in a minimal dose and I cant
>>> think of any off hand.
>>>
>>> The lowest I have used ibogaine wise for opiates is 16mg/kg but prefer to
>>> work between 17 and 20 mg/kg.
>>>
>>> Generally I prefer a single dose followed up by low doses for opiates so
>>> there is no discomfort.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: DC from AZ <dcollier9 at cox..net>
>>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>> Sent: Saturday, 17 January, 2009 19:29:26
>>> Subject: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>>>
>>>
>>> Anyone know what a non-initiation, medical only RX script might say
>>> for low dose usage of Iboga extract for relief of withdrawls.
>>> ?
>>> are we there yet ?
>>> ?
>>> http://www.drogriporter.hu/en/ibogainesession.
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Don zo
>>> "Love converts hearts, and gives peace..."
>>> __________________________________________________
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: michael langshaw
>>> To: The Ibogaine List
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 7:00 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CIA drug abuse
>>>
>>> That's what my shrink did to me with this suboxone shit. I went int
>>> his?office, told him how much I was using and he wrote me out a script and
>>> sent me on my way.?Nice guy. I got no one to blame but myself. I was capable
>>> of researching it........Sorry, just a little venting there.
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Edward A. Weissbard <edward.escs at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> From: Edward A. Weissbard <edward.escs at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CIA drug abuse
>>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
>>> Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 8:37 PM
>>>
>>>
>>> Scott,
>>>
>>> Reading the info. reminded me of the movie, *Jacobs Ladder* from early
>>> 90's, where the US Army experimented with BZ Gas on active duty personal
>>> during Vietnam.  A Very strange but interesting movie, for those that
>>> haven't seen it yet.  Seems pretty low to give someone a mind altering
>>> substance without them even knowing.
>>> --Edward
>>>
>>>
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>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:53:34 +0000 (GMT)
>>> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>> Message-ID: <742836.608.qm at web28610.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>
>>> Yes; its really knowing your product; and having a constant in terms of
>>> quality. Ibogaine is more predictable in this respect.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Jasen C <jasenhappy2008 at yahoo.com.au>
>>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 11:43:34
>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello Simon
>>>
>>> Yes your right. Iboga is more difficult to work with unless of course you
>>> know the Iboga you are working with (content of Ibogaine) such as the Indra
>>> extract Sara works with. Then you can dose with confidence that the client
>>> gets what they need.
>>>
>>> I have seen Sara dose people with addictions and for psycho spiritual
>>> with her Iboga extract with great results.
>>>
>>> I understand your comment that Ibogaine is easier to work with.
>>>
>>> Jasen
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
>>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 7:03:27 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>>>
>>>
>>> I get what you mean though; iboga is very good on the psycho-spiritual
>>> side; its just that iboga is more difficult to work with
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Jasen C <jasenhappy2008 at yahoo.com.au>
>>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 10:56:36
>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello Simon,
>>>
>>> I agree Iboga works well for addiction I was given Iboga 5 years ago for
>>> a 23 year methadone habit and I have seen it work on many other people.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
>>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox..com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 6:23:56 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>>>
>>>
>>> I was referring to root bark when I said iboga. I find iboga works very
>>> well for addiction; ask Matt for one.
>>>
>>> I think ibogaine is just a hell of a lot easier which is why I like it
>>> for addiction interruption; especially for opiates.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Jasen C <jasenhappy2008 at yahoo.com.au>
>>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 8:34:50
>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello Simon,
>>>
>>> You may be talking about another iboga extract not Indra, if you took
>>> 10grams of the Indra it would blow your top, break the head completely open
>>> in most cases and stop withdrawal completely. I have seen people have a lot
>>> less than 10 grams, more like 4 to 7grams of Indra and it has worked
>>> beautifully.
>>>
>>> As I am sure you would know, the Indra was made many years ago ( a few
>>> dozen kilo's) and is the only known proven extract where the content of
>>> Ibogaine is known so a dose can be correctly measured.
>>>
>>> Sara in Amsterdam does this very well and is the only source of Indra
>>> that I know of. We need her back on the list
>>>
>>> With opiate withdrawal a flood dose then a booster dose seems to work
>>> well with Ibogaine.
>>>
>>> I saw someone the other day who had 5 grams of Indra Extract for psycho
>>> spiritual. Seems to be much smoother than Ibogaine, maybe the other
>>> alkaloids play a part that science has not been able to measure yet.
>>>
>>> Ibogaine seems to work better for addiction as it coats the receptors
>>> better however I believe Iboga is better for psycho spiritual.
>>>
>>> Jasen
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
>>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox..com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 3:46:19 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>>>
>>>
>>> Well are you referring to ibogaine (an extract) or what was known as
>>> indra?
>>>
>>> I guess you are referring to opiate withdrawal but its more common to
>>> give lower doses over an extended period of time for meth and coke; Rocky
>>> came up with a good protocol like this.
>>>
>>> Personally I have never experimented with the least you would need to
>>> keep withdrawal from opiates at bay. I would not want to put the patient in
>>> an uncomfortable position by doing this. Saying so; 5-10g of iboga is enough
>>> to keep withdrawal at bay for up to 12 hrs. This is about all I can offer
>>> from experience; I would only be guessing or using some one elses
>>> information in terms of an extract or ibogaine in a minimal dose and I cant
>>> think of any off hand.
>>>
>>> The lowest I have used ibogaine wise for opiates is 16mg/kg but prefer to
>>> work between 17 and 20 mg/kg.
>>>
>>> Generally I prefer a single dose followed up by low doses for opiates so
>>> there is no discomfort.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: DC from AZ <dcollier9 at cox.net>
>>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>> Sent: Saturday, 17 January, 2009 19:29:26
>>> Subject: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>>>
>>>
>>> Anyone know what a non-initiation, medical only RX script might say
>>> for low dose usage of Iboga extract for relief of withdrawls.
>>>
>>> are we there yet ?
>>>
>>> http://www.drogriporter.hu/en/ibogainesession.
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Don zo
>>> "Love converts hearts, and gives peace..."
>>> __________________________________________________
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: michael langshaw
>>> To: The Ibogaine List
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 7:00 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CIA drug abuse
>>>
>>> That's what my shrink did to me with this suboxone shit. I went int his
>>> office, told him how much I was using and he wrote me out a script and sent
>>> me on my way. Nice guy. I got no one to blame but myself. I was capable of
>>> researching it.......Sorry, just a little venting there.
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Edward A. Weissbard <edward.escs at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> From: Edward A. Weissbard <edward.escs at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CIA drug abuse
>>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
>>> Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 8:37 PM
>>>
>>>
>>> Scott,
>>>
>>> Reading the info. reminded me of the movie, *Jacobs Ladder* from early
>>> 90's, where the US Army experimented with BZ Gas on active duty personal
>>> during Vietnam.  A Very strange but interesting movie, for those that
>>> haven't seen it yet.  Seems pretty low to give someone a mind altering
>>> substance without them even knowing.
>>> --Edward
>>>
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