[Ibogaine] Ibogaine Digest, Vol 13, Issue 59

Jeremy Spence jlspence at mac.com
Sun Jan 18 07:25:57 EST 2009


yea, i hear you, but people need to get a grip.

I believe in free speech too.  but that does mean I not going to say  
something if I believe its fuck up.

Was just trying to have your back thats all.
On Jan 18, 2009, at 5:27 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote:

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> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Digest, Vol 13, Issue 57
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> J' its OK man; its best to just ignore things like this otherwise  
> you are giving them exactly what they want; attention.
>
> You also dont know who you are dealing with; you could have a  
> bipolar schizophrenic; (No disrespect). They also have their right  
> to freedom of speech.
>
>
>
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> From: Jeremy Spence <jlspence at mac.com>
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> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 13:02:05
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> WHO THE FUCK HAS A PROBLEM WITH SIMON, IF THEY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH  
> SIMOM THEY GOT A PROBLEM WITH ME TOO!!
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> YOU FUCK OFFF
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>>  2. Re: RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls (simon loxton)
>>  3. Re: RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls (Jasen C)
>>  4. Re: RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls (simon loxton)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 09:02:19 +0000 (GMT)
>> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Similarities with Psilosybin and Ibogaine
>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
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>> I was going to suggest he leave his mothers PC alone and stick with  
>> the play station but did not want to aggravate his condition.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Capt Kirk <captkirknz at yahoo.co.uk>
>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 9:59:43
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Similarities with Psilosybin and Ibogaine
>>
>>
>> Um, ok and you are?  And what's your site so I know never ever ever  
>> ever to visit it? Not that I believe in hell  
>> anyway........................................
>> Love these charming emails.....
>> Unless I missing something................wtf?
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> From: s james <niknox at shaw.ca>
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>> ?
>> listen simon you appear more than most cockroach infestations fuck  
>> off from my site or hell you invite
>>
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>> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 09:03:27 +0000 (GMT)
>> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
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>> I get what you mean though; iboga is very good on the psycho- 
>> spiritual side; its just that iboga is more difficult to work with
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Jasen C <jasenhappy2008 at yahoo.com.au>
>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 10:56:36
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>>
>>
>> Hello Simon,
>>
>> I agree Iboga works well for addiction I was given Iboga 5 years  
>> ago for a 23 year methadone habit and I have seen it work on many  
>> other people.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 6:23:56 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>>
>>
>> I was referring to root bark when I said iboga. I find iboga works  
>> very well for addiction; ask Matt for one.
>>
>> I think ibogaine is just a hell of a lot easier which is why I like  
>> it for addiction interruption; especially for opiates.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Jasen C <jasenhappy2008 at yahoo.com.au>
>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 8:34:50
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>>
>>
>> Hello Simon,
>>
>> You may be talking about another iboga extract not Indra, if you  
>> took 10grams of the Indra it would blow your top, break the head  
>> completely open in most cases and stop withdrawal completely. I  
>> have seen people have a lot less than 10 grams, more like 4 to  
>> 7grams of Indra and it has worked beautifully.
>>
>> As I am sure you would know, the Indra was made many years ago ( a  
>> few dozen kilo's) and is the only known proven extract where the  
>> content of Ibogaine is known so a dose can be correctly measured.
>>
>> Sara in Amsterdam does this very well and is the only source of  
>> Indra that I know of. We need her back on the list
>>
>> With opiate withdrawal a flood dose then a booster dose seems to  
>> work well with Ibogaine.
>>
>> I saw someone the other day who had 5 grams of Indra Extract for  
>> psycho spiritual. Seems to be much smoother than Ibogaine, maybe  
>> the other alkaloids play a part that science has not been able to  
>> measure yet.
>>
>> Ibogaine seems to work better for addiction as it coats the  
>> receptors better however I believe Iboga is better for psycho  
>> spiritual.
>>
>> Jasen
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 3:46:19 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>>
>>
>> Well are you referring to ibogaine (an extract) or what was known  
>> as indra?
>>
>> I guess you are referring to opiate withdrawal but its more common  
>> to give lower doses over an extended period of time for meth and  
>> coke; Rocky came up with a good protocol like this.
>>
>> Personally I have never experimented with the least you would need  
>> to keep withdrawal from opiates at bay. I would not want to put the  
>> patient in an uncomfortable position by doing this. Saying so;  
>> 5-10g of iboga is enough to keep withdrawal at bay for up to 12  
>> hrs. This is about all I can offer from experience; I would only be  
>> guessing or using some one elses information in terms of an extract  
>> or ibogaine in a minimal dose and I cant think of any off hand.
>>
>> The lowest I have used ibogaine wise for opiates is 16mg/kg but  
>> prefer to work between 17 and 20 mg/kg.
>>
>> Generally I prefer a single dose followed up by low doses for  
>> opiates so there is no discomfort.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: DC from AZ <dcollier9 at cox.net>
>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, 17 January, 2009 19:29:26
>> Subject: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>>
>>
>> Anyone know what a non-initiation, medical only RX script might say
>> for low dose usage of Iboga extract for relief of withdrawls.
>>
>> are we there yet ?
>>
>> http://www.drogriporter.hu/en/ibogainesession.
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Don zo
>> "Love converts hearts, and gives peace..."
>> __________________________________________________
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: michael langshaw
>> To: The Ibogaine List
>> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 7:00 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CIA drug abuse
>>
>> That's what my shrink did to me with this suboxone shit. I went int  
>> his office, told him how much I was using and he wrote me out a  
>> script and sent me on my way. Nice guy. I got no one to blame but  
>> myself. I was capable of researching it.......Sorry, just a little  
>> venting there.
>> Mike
>>
>> --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Edward A. Weissbard <edward.escs at gmail.com>  
>> wrote:
>>
>> From: Edward A. Weissbard <edward.escs at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CIA drug abuse
>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
>> Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 8:37 PM
>>
>>
>> Scott,
>>
>> Reading the info. reminded me of the movie, *Jacobs Ladder* from  
>> early
>> 90's, where the US Army experimented with BZ Gas on active duty  
>> personal
>> during Vietnam.  A Very strange but interesting movie, for those that
>> haven't seen it yet.  Seems pretty low to give someone a mind  
>> altering
>> substance without them even knowing.
>> --Edward
>>
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>> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 01:43:34 -0800 (PST)
>> From: Jasen C <jasenhappy2008 at yahoo.com.au>
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
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>> Hello Simon
>>
>> Yes your right. Iboga is more difficult to work with unless of  
>> course you know the Iboga you are working with (content of  
>> Ibogaine) such as the Indra?extract Sara works with. Then you can  
>> dose with confidence that the client gets what they need.
>>
>> I have seen Sara dose people with addictions and for psycho  
>> spiritual with her Iboga extract?with great results.
>>
>> I understand your comment that Ibogaine is easier to work with.
>>
>> Jasen
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 7:03:27 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>>
>>
>> I get what you mean though; iboga is very good on the psycho- 
>> spiritual side; its just that iboga is more difficult to work with
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Jasen C <jasenhappy2008 at yahoo.com.au>
>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 10:56:36
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>>
>>
>> Hello Simon,
>>
>> I agree Iboga works well for addiction I was given Iboga 5 years  
>> ago for a 23 year methadone habit and I have seen it work on many  
>> other people.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co..uk>
>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 6:23:56 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>>
>>
>> I was referring to root bark when I said iboga. I find iboga works  
>> very well for addiction; ask Matt for one.
>>
>> I think ibogaine is just a hell of a lot easier which is why I like  
>> it for addiction interruption; especially for opiates.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Jasen C <jasenhappy2008 at yahoo.com.au>
>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 8:34:50
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>>
>>
>> Hello Simon,
>>
>> You may be talking about another iboga extract not Indra, if you  
>> took 10grams of the Indra?it would blow your top, break the head  
>> completely open in most cases and stop withdrawal completely. I  
>> have seen people have a lot less than 10 grams, more like 4 to  
>> 7grams of Indra and it has worked beautifully.
>>
>> As?I am sure you would know, the Indra was made many years ago ( a  
>> few dozen kilo's)?and is the only known proven extract where the  
>> content of Ibogaine is known?so a dose can be correctly measured.
>>
>> Sara in Amsterdam does this very well and is the only source of  
>> Indra that I know of. We need her back on the list
>>
>> With opiate withdrawal a flood dose then a booster dose seems to  
>> work well with Ibogaine.
>>
>> I saw someone the other day who had 5 grams of Indra Extract for  
>> psycho spiritual. Seems to be much smoother than Ibogaine, maybe  
>> the other alkaloids play a part that science has not been able to  
>> measure yet.
>>
>> Ibogaine seems to work better for addiction as it coats the  
>> receptors better however I believe Iboga is better for psycho  
>> spiritual.
>>
>> Jasen
>>
>>
>>
>> ?
>>
>> ?
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 3:46:19 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>>
>>
>> Well are you referring to ibogaine (an extract) or what was known  
>> as indra?
>>
>> I guess you are referring to opiate withdrawal but its more common  
>> to give lower doses over an extended period of time for meth and  
>> coke; Rocky came up with a good protocol like this.
>>
>> Personally I have never experimented with the least you would need  
>> to keep withdrawal from opiates at bay. I would not want to put the  
>> patient in an uncomfortable position by doing this. Saying so;  
>> 5-10g of iboga is enough to keep withdrawal at bay for up to 12  
>> hrs. This is about all I can offer from experience; I would only be  
>> guessing or using some one elses information in terms of an extract  
>> or ibogaine in a minimal dose and I cant think of any off hand.
>>
>> The lowest I have used ibogaine wise for opiates is 16mg/kg but  
>> prefer to work between 17 and 20 mg/kg.
>>
>> Generally I prefer a single dose followed up by low doses for  
>> opiates so there is no discomfort.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: DC from AZ <dcollier9 at cox..net>
>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, 17 January, 2009 19:29:26
>> Subject: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>>
>>
>> Anyone know what a non-initiation, medical only RX script might say
>> for low dose usage of Iboga extract for relief of withdrawls.
>> ?
>> are we there yet ?
>> ?
>> http://www.drogriporter.hu/en/ibogainesession.
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Don zo
>> "Love converts hearts, and gives peace..."
>> __________________________________________________
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: michael langshaw
>> To: The Ibogaine List
>> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 7:00 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CIA drug abuse
>>
>> That's what my shrink did to me with this suboxone shit. I went int  
>> his?office, told him how much I was using and he wrote me out a  
>> script and sent me on my way.?Nice guy. I got no one to blame but  
>> myself. I was capable of researching it........Sorry, just a little  
>> venting there.
>> Mike
>>
>> --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Edward A. Weissbard <edward.escs at gmail.com>  
>> wrote:
>>
>> From: Edward A. Weissbard <edward.escs at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CIA drug abuse
>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
>> Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 8:37 PM
>>
>>
>> Scott,
>>
>> Reading the info. reminded me of the movie, *Jacobs Ladder* from  
>> early
>> 90's, where the US Army experimented with BZ Gas on active duty  
>> personal
>> during Vietnam.  A Very strange but interesting movie, for those that
>> haven't seen it yet.  Seems pretty low to give someone a mind  
>> altering
>> substance without them even knowing.
>> --Edward
>>
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>> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:53:34 +0000 (GMT)
>> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> Message-ID: <742836.608.qm at web28610.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
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>> Yes; its really knowing your product; and having a constant in  
>> terms of quality. Ibogaine is more predictable in this respect.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Jasen C <jasenhappy2008 at yahoo.com.au>
>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 11:43:34
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>>
>>
>> Hello Simon
>>
>> Yes your right. Iboga is more difficult to work with unless of  
>> course you know the Iboga you are working with (content of  
>> Ibogaine) such as the Indra extract Sara works with. Then you can  
>> dose with confidence that the client gets what they need.
>>
>> I have seen Sara dose people with addictions and for psycho  
>> spiritual with her Iboga extract with great results.
>>
>> I understand your comment that Ibogaine is easier to work with.
>>
>> Jasen
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 7:03:27 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>>
>>
>> I get what you mean though; iboga is very good on the psycho- 
>> spiritual side; its just that iboga is more difficult to work with
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Jasen C <jasenhappy2008 at yahoo.com.au>
>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 10:56:36
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>>
>>
>> Hello Simon,
>>
>> I agree Iboga works well for addiction I was given Iboga 5 years  
>> ago for a 23 year methadone habit and I have seen it work on many  
>> other people.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox..com>
>> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 6:23:56 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>>
>>
>> I was referring to root bark when I said iboga. I find iboga works  
>> very well for addiction; ask Matt for one.
>>
>> I think ibogaine is just a hell of a lot easier which is why I like  
>> it for addiction interruption; especially for opiates.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Jasen C <jasenhappy2008 at yahoo.com.au>
>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 8:34:50
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>>
>>
>> Hello Simon,
>>
>> You may be talking about another iboga extract not Indra, if you  
>> took 10grams of the Indra it would blow your top, break the head  
>> completely open in most cases and stop withdrawal completely. I  
>> have seen people have a lot less than 10 grams, more like 4 to  
>> 7grams of Indra and it has worked beautifully.
>>
>> As I am sure you would know, the Indra was made many years ago ( a  
>> few dozen kilo's) and is the only known proven extract where the  
>> content of Ibogaine is known so a dose can be correctly measured.
>>
>> Sara in Amsterdam does this very well and is the only source of  
>> Indra that I know of. We need her back on the list
>>
>> With opiate withdrawal a flood dose then a booster dose seems to  
>> work well with Ibogaine.
>>
>> I saw someone the other day who had 5 grams of Indra Extract for  
>> psycho spiritual. Seems to be much smoother than Ibogaine, maybe  
>> the other alkaloids play a part that science has not been able to  
>> measure yet.
>>
>> Ibogaine seems to work better for addiction as it coats the  
>> receptors better however I believe Iboga is better for psycho  
>> spiritual.
>>
>> Jasen
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox..com>
>> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 3:46:19 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>>
>>
>> Well are you referring to ibogaine (an extract) or what was known  
>> as indra?
>>
>> I guess you are referring to opiate withdrawal but its more common  
>> to give lower doses over an extended period of time for meth and  
>> coke; Rocky came up with a good protocol like this.
>>
>> Personally I have never experimented with the least you would need  
>> to keep withdrawal from opiates at bay. I would not want to put the  
>> patient in an uncomfortable position by doing this. Saying so;  
>> 5-10g of iboga is enough to keep withdrawal at bay for up to 12  
>> hrs. This is about all I can offer from experience; I would only be  
>> guessing or using some one elses information in terms of an extract  
>> or ibogaine in a minimal dose and I cant think of any off hand.
>>
>> The lowest I have used ibogaine wise for opiates is 16mg/kg but  
>> prefer to work between 17 and 20 mg/kg.
>>
>> Generally I prefer a single dose followed up by low doses for  
>> opiates so there is no discomfort.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: DC from AZ <dcollier9 at cox.net>
>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, 17 January, 2009 19:29:26
>> Subject: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>>
>>
>> Anyone know what a non-initiation, medical only RX script might say
>> for low dose usage of Iboga extract for relief of withdrawls.
>>
>> are we there yet ?
>>
>> http://www.drogriporter.hu/en/ibogainesession.
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>> Don zo
>> "Love converts hearts, and gives peace..."
>> __________________________________________________
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: michael langshaw
>> To: The Ibogaine List
>> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 7:00 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CIA drug abuse
>>
>> That's what my shrink did to me with this suboxone shit. I went int  
>> his office, told him how much I was using and he wrote me out a  
>> script and sent me on my way. Nice guy. I got no one to blame but  
>> myself. I was capable of researching it.......Sorry, just a little  
>> venting there.
>> Mike
>>
>> --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Edward A. Weissbard <edward.escs at gmail.com>  
>> wrote:
>>
>> From: Edward A. Weissbard <edward.escs at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CIA drug abuse
>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
>> Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 8:37 PM
>>
>>
>> Scott,
>>
>> Reading the info. reminded me of the movie, *Jacobs Ladder* from  
>> early
>> 90's, where the US Army experimented with BZ Gas on active duty  
>> personal
>> during Vietnam.  A Very strange but interesting movie, for those that
>> haven't seen it yet.  Seems pretty low to give someone a mind  
>> altering
>> substance without them even knowing.
>> --Edward
>>
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