[Ibogaine] Similarities with Psilosybin and Ibogaine

simon loxton simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk
Sun Jan 18 04:00:40 EST 2009


Thanks; but flattery wont get you anywhere; cant you tell I am having a conversation here? LOL :)




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From: s james <niknox at shaw.ca>
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Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 8:24:55
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Similarities with Psilosybin and Ibogaine

  
listen simon you appear more than most cockroach 
infestations fuck off from my site or hell you invite
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From: simon  loxton 
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Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 11:30  AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Similarities with  Psilosybin and Ibogaine

Yes there is a more recent catholic influence or cross-over; I was not  aware of the rest though




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 From: DC from AZ <dcollier9 at cox.net>
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Sent: Thursday, 15 January, 2009  19:53:00
Subject: Re:  [Ibogaine] Similarities with Psilosybin and Ibogaine

  
it was widely reported that a section  of Bwiti are catholics or other christian denom. I have read  several
article online regarding this, some could  have been from catholic web sites for the local bishops. 
Pope
John Paul II was reported to have given the  approval for Catholic Bwiti to continue their practices.
dc 
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Donzo
"Love  converts hearts, and gives  peace."
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-----  Original Message ----- 
From: simon  loxton 
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Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Similarities with Psilosybin and Ibogaine

I am not sure about the reasoning; in most cases the church lets things  like pagan holidays and some practices slide so they can keep a hold. Also  because a lot of people are pressured into Catholicism they would keep their  traditional beliefs quiet. Bwiti was outlawed and this is why they had to  perform their rituals far away near waterfalls to drown out the sound of the  drums etc. 

Where are you getting your information from or are you  just supposing? I am just interetsted; have you been initiated into Bwiti or  visited Gabon?




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 From: DC from AZ  <dcollier9 at cox.net>
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Sent: Thursday, 15 January, 2009  19:27:11
Subject: Re:  [Ibogaine] Similarities with Psilosybin and Ibogaine

  
it was probably allowed because the local  native Catholic bishops
confirmed the iboga bwiti practices do not  constitute idol-worship or black magic, but are really unique cool  stuff,
thats why there are christian bwiti  now.
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what is interesting is the Catholic church in  Gabon is cool with Bwiti usage of iboga for inititations etc.
- as part of the ongoing church policy  of allowing native cultural preservation. this could be extended to  peyote, imo.
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Donzo
"Love  converts hearts, and gives  peace."
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-----  Original Message ----- 
From: simon loxton 
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Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 6:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Similarities with Psilosybin and Ibogaine

There is a lot of mythology in mushrooms and the Catholic church  was quick to include pagan holidays by just giving them a different  name.


 

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