[Ibogaine] Similarities with Psilosybin and Ibogaine

s james niknox at shaw.ca
Sun Jan 18 01:24:55 EST 2009


listen simon you appear more than most cockroach infestations fuck off from my site or hell you invite
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  From: simon loxton 
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  Yes there is a more recent catholic influence or cross-over; I was not aware of the rest though




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  From: DC from AZ <dcollier9 at cox.net>
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  Sent: Thursday, 15 January, 2009 19:53:00
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  it was widely reported that a section of Bwiti are catholics or other christian denom. I have read several
  article online regarding this, some could have been from catholic web sites for the local bishops. Pope
  John Paul II was reported to have given the approval for Catholic Bwiti to continue their practices.
  dc 
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    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: simon loxton 
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    Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 10:44 AM
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    I am not sure about the reasoning; in most cases the church lets things like pagan holidays and some practices slide so they can keep a hold. Also because a lot of people are pressured into Catholicism they would keep their traditional beliefs quiet. Bwiti was outlawed and this is why they had to perform their rituals far away near waterfalls to drown out the sound of the drums etc. 

    Where are you getting your information from or are you just supposing? I am just interetsted; have you been initiated into Bwiti or visited Gabon?




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    From: DC from AZ <dcollier9 at cox.net>
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    Sent: Thursday, 15 January, 2009 19:27:11
    Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Similarities with Psilosybin and Ibogaine

     
    it was probably allowed because the local native Catholic bishops
    confirmed the iboga bwiti practices do not constitute idol-worship or black magic, but are really unique cool stuff,
    thats why there are christian bwiti now.
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      what is interesting is the Catholic church in Gabon is cool with Bwiti usage of iboga for inititations etc.
      - as part of the ongoing church policy of allowing native cultural preservation. this could be extended to peyote, imo.
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      Donzo
      "Love converts hearts, and gives peace."
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        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: simon loxton 
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        Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 6:33 AM
        Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Similarities with Psilosybin and Ibogaine


        There is a lot of mythology in mushrooms and the Catholic church was quick to include pagan holidays by just giving them a different name.


         




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