[Ibogaine] Similarities with Psilosybin and Ibogaine

simon loxton simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk
Fri Jan 16 03:48:53 EST 2009


There are so many things religions have in common so they some times just change the names; like you could see mary as isis; with all the rest.




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From: "rockstar at phantom.com" <rockstar at phantom.com>
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Sent: Friday, 16 January, 2009 3:05:06
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Similarities with Psilosybin and Ibogaine

Many of the Ayuhuasca practices in South America have sort of seemlessly
blended their various tribal beliefs and Christianity in their ceremonies,
and all kinds of other spiritual allies as well.
PF

> it was widely reported that a section of Bwiti are catholics or other
> christian denom. I have read several
> article online regarding this, some could have been from catholic web
> sites for the local bishops. Pope
> John Paul II was reported to have given the approval for Catholic Bwiti to
> continue their practices.
> dc
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> Donzo
> "Love converts hearts, and gives peace."
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>   I am not sure about the reasoning; in most cases the church lets things
> like pagan holidays and some practices slide so they can keep a hold.
> Also because a lot of people are pressured into Catholicism they would
> keep their traditional beliefs quiet. Bwiti was outlawed and this is why
> they had to perform their rituals far away near waterfalls to drown out
> the sound of the drums etc.
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>   Where are you getting your information from or are you just supposing? I
> am just interetsted; have you been initiated into Bwiti or visited
> Gabon?
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>   From: DC from AZ <dcollier9 at cox.net>
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>   Sent: Thursday, 15 January, 2009 19:27:11
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>   it was probably allowed because the local native Catholic bishops
>   confirmed the iboga bwiti practices do not constitute idol-worship or
> black magic, but are really unique cool stuff,
>   thats why there are christian bwiti now.
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>     what is interesting is the Catholic church in Gabon is cool with Bwiti
> usage of iboga for inititations etc.
>     - as part of the ongoing church policy of allowing native cultural
> preservation. this could be extended to peyote, imo.
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>     Donzo
>     "Love converts hearts, and gives peace."
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>       ----- Original Message -----
>       From: simon loxton
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>       There is a lot of mythology in mushrooms and the Catholic church was
> quick to include pagan holidays by just giving them a different
> name.
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