[Ibogaine] Ibogaine Digest, Vol 13, Issue 20

Jeremy Spence jlspence at mac.com
Fri Jan 9 11:05:49 EST 2009


funny shit,
matt!!!

funny ass shit!!

I love this place!! It's a nut job!! but in a good way!
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>   1. Re: (OT) Re:  2012 mayan calendar (simon loxton)
>   2. Re: Mel got hitched 12-12 (simon loxton)
>   3. Re: Kava Kava usage (Brad Hays)
>   4. Re: Kava Kava usage (simon loxton)
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> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 08:07:29 +0000 (GMT)
> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re:  2012 mayan calendar
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> Thanks Preston; I will give it some attention...
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Preston Peet <prestonpeet at yahoo.com>
> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Sent: Thursday, 8 January, 2009 19:02:07
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re:  2012 mayan calendar
>
>
> Watch the documentary I mentioned Simon, it's really facinating how  
> they did that cracking.
>
> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/mayacode/
>
> You can even hear the glyphs spoken aloud from at least one stella  
> at this website, and read lots more besides watching the documentary  
> itself.
> Peace,
> Preston
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2009 6:35:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: 2012 mayan calendar
>
>
> Thats what I said; the two codexes that were saved by one of the  
> monks (who were destroying all that was evil) lead to decoding all  
> the archeological evidence that was left behind. I have no idea how  
> they managed to crack the glyphs without some sort of Rosetta stone.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Preston Peet <prestonpeet at yahoo.com>
> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, 7 January, 2009 15:52:12
> Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: 2012 mayan calendar
>
>
> I thought there were four codexes, or at least portions thereof.
> And for that matter, the Mayans' wrote all over the place, in stone,  
> not just in the codexes. (Because whether two or four, we ain't left  
> with a lot of book-type records). So luckily, now that we're more  
> able to read what records they left us, a LOT more is being  
> discovered about this culture all the time. Still, it's a damn shame  
> all those books were burned. Thank god for religion, eh?
> Peace
> Preston
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2009 7:23:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 2012 mayan calendar
>
>
> Thanks Preston; its a pity only two codex' survived and so there is  
> a lot we dont know but from those two a lot became accessible  
> through archeology.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Preston Peet <prestonpeet at yahoo.com>
> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, 6 January, 2009 23:49:55
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 2012 mayan calendar
>
> Jon wrote in part>, as a doomsday or moment of cosmic shifting, she
> says, is "a complete fabrication and a chance for a lot of people to  
> cash
> in."<
>
> Yeah, I'm sometimes thinking, and often hoping, along the same lines.
> Still, it's a fun topic to ponder.
> I saw a great documentary last night, on NOVA's website, called  
> Cracking the Maya Code, about deciphering their hieroglyphics (sp?).  
> Highly recommend this docu, well worth the hour or so watch.
> Peace and love
> Preston
>
>
>
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> From: "j0n at just-say-know.org" <j0n at just-say-know.org>
> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2009 4:43:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 2012 mayan calendar
>
> It is likely that the Mayans believed that the "end" of their Long  
> Count
> calendar would mark some kind of symbolic end, as in a historical  
> cycle or
> something along those lines.
>
> But the fact of the matter is that no one knows what the Mayans  
> thought
> would happen in 2012. Actually, no one really knows what the Mayans
> thought about most things.
>
> Although it is known that the Maya had pretty advanced systems of
> language, mathematics, astronomy, etc, little of Mayan culture  
> survived
> Spanish colonization and persecution. The fragments of Mayan culture  
> that
> have survived are wide open to interpretation and it is very  
> difficult to
> try to draw any meaningful conclusions from them, particularly  
> regarding
> more esoteric subjects, such as this.
>
>
>
> from http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/2007-03-27-maya-2012_n.htm :
>
> "For the ancient Maya, it was a huge celebration to make it to the  
> end of
> a whole cycle," says Sandra Noble, executive director of the  
> Foundation
> for the Advancement of Mesoamerican Studies in Crystal River, Fla. To
> render Dec. 21, 2012, as a doomsday or moment of cosmic shifting, she
> says, is "a complete fabrication and a chance for a lot of people to  
> cash
> in."
>
> Part of the 2012 mystique stems from the stars. On the winter  
> solstice in
> 2012, the sun will be aligned with the center of the Milky Way for the
> first time in about 26,000 years. This means that "whatever energy
> typically streams to Earth from the center of the Milky Way will  
> indeed be
> disrupted on 12/21/12 at 11:11 p.m. Universal Time," Joseph writes..
>
> But scholars doubt the ancient Maya extrapolated great meaning from
> anticipating the alignment ? if they were even aware of what the
> configuration would be.
>
> Astronomers generally agree that "it would be impossible the Maya
> themselves would have known that," says Susan Milbrath, a Maya
> archaeoastronomer and a curator at the Florida Museum of Natural  
> History.
> What's more, she says, "we have no record or knowledge that they would
> think the world would come to an end at that point."
>
> University of Florida anthropologist Susan Gillespie says the 2012
> phenomenon comes "from media and from other people making use of the  
> Maya
> past to fulfill agendas that are really their own."
>
>
>
>
>> I read that they didn't really believe the world would end but just
>> that one phase would end and another begin. We'll just have to wait
>> and see.  Maybe that big bang experiment in Switzerland will bring
>> something odd. Maybe the next ice age or maybe it'll just be another
>> year with pointless wars.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 4:43 PM, simon loxton  
>> <simonloxton at yahoo.co..uk>
>> wrote:
>>> I have always been interested in the Mayan prophercy of "the end  
>>> of the
>>> world" in 2012; wondering how things would play out; if it would  
>>> be some
>>> thing that would apply to South America or literally the whole  
>>> world.
>>> Recently I was watching an unrelated documentary on the Amazon  
>>> river;
>>> according to the documentary there are plans to dam the river which
>>> would
>>> cause all kinds of problems. I cant remember if this was to start in
>>> 2010 or
>>> 2012 but I could see how this can seriously affect things on a  
>>> planetary
>>> level.
>>>
>>> For those who are not all that familiar with the Mayan calendar  
>>> the 21
>>> Dec.
>>> 2012 ends the cycle of what was called the long count when the earth
>>> completes the wobble on its axis and aligns with the sun and the  
>>> center
>>> of
>>> the milky way. The Maya were obsessed with math and were equal to  
>>> if not
>>> more advanced than ourselves now.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 08:22:17 +0000 (GMT)
> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Mel got hitched 12-12
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> Thanks agent Shriver;
>
> Since you took it upon yourself to disclose information to the  
> public I thought it may be in the applicants best interest to know  
> that a certain facility has been made available in Guantanamo Bay  
> since it was up for auction in December; it is my hope that this  
> facility can be used for debriefing and to extract any harmful  
> material that may have lead to or inspired "Freedom of thought or  
> thinking in general" # MMVIIII
>
> In god we trust.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Matt Shriver <ibogamail at gmail.com>
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> Sent: Thursday, 8 January, 2009 22:58:36
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Mel got hitched 12-12
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> On Jan 8, 2009, at 6:33 AM, robert farmer wrote:
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> crazt ibogaine people stop emailing me
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> On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 7:52 PM, Melanie
> Gutierrez <gutierrezmelanie at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Aww
> Thank you.  You'll appreciate this D, we did it at old presido park in
> Tubac :)
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 8:17 AM, DC from
> AZ <dcollier9 at cox.net> wrote:
>
> congrads on that wedding ! may
> love prevail in its choicest blessings for you and your sweetheart.
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Donzo
> "Love converts hearts, and gives peace."
> __________________________________________________
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> -----
> Original Message -----
> From: Melanie
> Gutierrez
> To: The Ibogaine List
> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 6:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 2012 mayan calendar
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> I got married last month on 12-12, the only seemingly
> good day to elope with my partner of 7 years.
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> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 03:26:09 -0500
> From: Brad Hays <bradleyheathhays at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Kava Kava usage
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> That's a good point.  Milk fat would prob coat the stomach hindering
> absorption.. at least that's my guess.
>
> On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 9:45 PM, Preston Peet <prestonpeet at yahoo.com>  
> wrote:
>
>> do you suppose that by mixing the kava with milk you are inhibiting  
>> its
>> absorption by the stomach and intestines?
>>
>> just a thought.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Edward A. Weissbard <edward.escs at gmail.com>
>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
>> Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2009 8:34:14 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Kava Kava usage
>>
>> Hey Randy,
>>
>> I've heard of Kava bars, didn't' realize that there were some in  
>> NYC.  My
>> experience last night was peaceful, I did feel quite tired by the  
>> end of the
>> night.  The first couple of hours where spent in a pleasant mood,  
>> free of
>> stress and any worries on my mind.  I looked at my daughter and saw  
>> the
>> beauty in her as she was talking to me, and realized a little more  
>> how
>> important of a part she is to my happiness.  Most of the night I  
>> spent
>> playing Lord of the Rings Online, so it was an enjoyable evening  
>> with my
>> family and my computer.  After the Kava wore off I felt pretty  
>> spent, so it
>> was time to turn in.  I see Kava as a mild sedative/relaxant.  It is
>> distinctly different than an alcohol buzz, mainly the mind does not  
>> wander
>> and become unstable and for me.....uncaring and selfish.  I see it  
>> as being
>> hard to become addicted to........doesn't taste very pleasant  
>> without adding
>> some flavoring to cover up it's "earthy" taste and the effects are  
>> not so
>> much of an escape from oneself, but more integrative.  Over all a  
>> safe,
>> relaxing and mild experience.  I used 1 cup of Kava to 2 cups of  
>> water and 1
>> cup milk along with chocolate powder to cover up the  
>> taste........it's more
>> of a mild recipe.  As for me, kava has never lead to destructive  
>> behaviors
>> as it would almost do with alcohol...it's always been a friend to  
>> me.  The
>> main reason for the interest in ibogaine and being on this list,  
>> has been my
>> real issues with alcohol and it's related consequences. --
>> Edward <http://crossloop.com/EdwardWeissbard?type=email>
>>
>>
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> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 08:29:40 +0000 (GMT)
> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Kava Kava usage
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> I dont see how it would stop absorption; I am sure at some stage you  
> have made Bhang? Weed is boiled with a 50-50 mix of milk and water  
> and only the leaves need to be used. The fat cells absorb the THC  
> and you have quite a potent milkshake; which is what I am using as a  
> reference. I dont see how it would have a different effect with  
> Kava ??? I stand open to correction and speculation though
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Preston Peet <prestonpeet at yahoo.com>
> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Sent: Friday, 9 January, 2009 4:45:21
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Kava Kava usage
>
> do you suppose that by mixing the kava with milk you are inhibiting  
> its absorption by the stomach and intestines?
>
> just a thought.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Edward A. Weissbard <edward.escs at gmail.com>
> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2009 8:34:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Kava Kava usage
>
> Hey Randy,
>
> I've heard of Kava bars, didn't' realize that there were some in  
> NYC.  My experience last night was peaceful, I did feel quite tired  
> by the end of the night.  The first couple of hours where spent in a  
> pleasant mood, free of stress and any worries on my mind.  I looked  
> at my daughter and saw the beauty in her as she was talking to me,  
> and realized a little more how important of a part she is to my  
> happiness.  Most of the night I spent playing Lord of the Rings  
> Online, so it was an enjoyable evening with my family and my  
> computer.  After the Kava wore off I felt pretty spent, so it was  
> time to turn in.  I see Kava as a mild sedative/relaxant.  It is  
> distinctly different than an alcohol buzz, mainly the mind does not  
> wander and become unstable and for me.....uncaring and selfish.  I  
> see it as being hard to become addicted to........doesn't taste very  
> pleasant without adding some flavoring to cover up it's "earthy"  
> taste and the effects are not so
> much of an escape from oneself, but more integrative.  Over all a  
> safe, relaxing and mild experience.  I used 1 cup of Kava to 2 cups  
> of water and 1 cup milk along with chocolate powder to cover up the  
> taste........it's more of a mild recipe.  As for me, kava has never  
> lead to destructive behaviors as it would almost do with  
> alcohol...it's always been a friend to me.  The main reason for the  
> interest in ibogaine and being on this list, has been my real issues  
> with alcohol and it's related consequences. --
> Edward <http://crossloop.com/EdwardWeissbard?type=email>
>
>
> <http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/>
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