[Ibogaine] (OT) Re: 2012 mayan calendar

simon loxton simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk
Fri Jan 9 03:07:29 EST 2009


Thanks Preston; I will give it some attention...




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From: Preston Peet <prestonpeet at yahoo.com>
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Sent: Thursday, 8 January, 2009 19:02:07
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Watch the documentary I mentioned Simon, it's really facinating how they did that cracking.
 
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/mayacode/
 
You can even hear the glyphs spoken aloud from at least one stella at this website, and read lots more besides watching the documentary itself.
Peace,
Preston

 



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Thats what I said; the two codexes that were saved by one of the monks (who were destroying all that was evil) lead to decoding all the archeological evidence that was left behind. I have no idea how they managed to crack the glyphs without some sort of Rosetta stone.




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 From: Preston Peet <prestonpeet at yahoo.com>
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I thought there were four codexes, or at least portions thereof.
And for that matter, the Mayans' wrote all over the place, in stone, not just in the codexes. (Because whether two or four, we ain't left with a lot of book-type records). So luckily, now that we're more able to read what records they left us, a LOT more is being discovered about this culture all the time. Still, it's a damn shame all those books were burned. Thank god for religion, eh?
Peace
Preston




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Thanks Preston; its a pity only two codex' survived and so there is a lot we dont know but from those two a lot became accessible through archeology.




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 From: Preston Peet <prestonpeet at yahoo.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, 6 January, 2009 23:49:55
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Jon wrote in part>, as a doomsday or moment of cosmic shifting, she
says, is "a complete fabrication and a chance for a lot of people to cash
in."<

Yeah, I'm sometimes thinking, and often hoping, along the same lines.
Still, it's a fun topic to ponder.
I saw a great documentary last night, on NOVA's website, called Cracking the Maya Code, about deciphering their hieroglyphics (sp?). Highly recommend this docu, well worth the hour or so watch.
Peace and love
Preston




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Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2009 4:43:12 PM
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It is likely that the Mayans believed that the "end" of their Long Count
calendar would mark some kind of symbolic end, as in a historical cycle or
something along those lines.

But the fact of the matter is that no one knows what the Mayans thought
would happen in 2012. Actually, no one really knows what the Mayans
thought about most things.

Although it is known that the Maya had pretty advanced systems of
language, mathematics, astronomy, etc, little of Mayan culture survived
Spanish colonization and persecution. The fragments of Mayan culture that
have survived are wide open to interpretation and it is very difficult to
try to draw any meaningful conclusions from them, particularly regarding
more esoteric subjects, such as this.



from http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/2007-03-27-maya-2012_n.htm :

"For the ancient Maya, it was a huge celebration to make it to the end of
a whole cycle," says Sandra Noble, executive director of the Foundation
for the Advancement of Mesoamerican Studies in Crystal River, Fla. To
render Dec. 21, 2012, as a doomsday or moment of cosmic shifting, she
says, is "a complete fabrication and a chance for a lot of people to cash
in."

Part of the 2012 mystique stems from the stars. On the winter solstice in
2012, the sun will be aligned with the center of the Milky Way for the
first time in about 26,000 years. This means that "whatever energy
typically streams to Earth from the center of the Milky Way will indeed be
disrupted on 12/21/12 at 11:11 p.m. Universal Time," Joseph writes..

But scholars doubt the ancient Maya extrapolated great meaning from
anticipating the alignment — if they were even aware of what the
configuration would be.

Astronomers generally agree that "it would be impossible the Maya
themselves would have known that," says Susan Milbrath, a Maya
archaeoastronomer and a curator at the Florida Museum of Natural History.
What's more, she says, "we have no record or knowledge that they would
think the world would come to an end at that point."

University of Florida anthropologist Susan Gillespie says the 2012
phenomenon comes "from media and from other people making use of the Maya
past to fulfill agendas that are really their own."




> I read that they didn't really believe the world would end but just
> that one phase would end and another begin. We'll just have to wait
> and see.  Maybe that big bang experiment in Switzerland will bring
> something odd. Maybe the next ice age or maybe it'll just be another
> year with pointless wars.
>
> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 4:43 PM, simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co..uk>
> wrote:
>> I have always been interested in the Mayan prophercy of "the end of the
>> world" in 2012; wondering how things would play out; if it would be some
>> thing that would apply to South America or literally the whole world.
>> Recently I was watching an unrelated documentary on the Amazon river;
>> according to the documentary there are plans to dam the river which
>> would
>> cause all kinds of problems. I cant remember if this was to start in
>> 2010 or
>> 2012 but I could see how this can seriously affect things on a planetary
>> level.
>>
>> For those who are not all that familiar with the Mayan calendar the 21
>> Dec.
>> 2012 ends the cycle of what was called the long count when the earth
>> completes the wobble on its axis and aligns with the sun and the center
>> of
>> the milky way. The Maya were obsessed with math and were equal to if not
>> more advanced than ourselves now.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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