[Ibogaine] Ibogaine Digest, Vol 13, Issue 11

Scott Doran doranman2 at gmail.com
Tue Jan 6 18:29:48 EST 2009


Thanks Jeremy,
Pretty messed up system we got to fix. I was thinking of giving everything
away to people I loved, so nothing could be stolen from me. What a concept.
Let everyone ekse store it, protect it, maintain it, and I can skip merrily
off into the sunset. It's good to cut everyone a little slack I guess, but
not too much. See, I agree with you Jeremy

On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Jeremy Spence <jlspence at mac.com> wrote:

> Man I hear you scott, but me personally "now" I would not call on the cops
> if my life depended on it!!!! I really wouldn't!!  I need to get my glock
> back, so i can protect myself.  I personally have found the cops to of "NO
> USE"" when it comes to "anything" getting stolen!!!!  If it stolen, you can
> pretty much kiss it good by!!!! The cops won't do SHIT!!!!
> It just how they are........ They really don't care!!!
>
>
> just to get them a tiny bit of slack, I think their job makes them this
> way, all the stuff they have to deal with, fighting the drug war that never
> seem to get any better, dealing with sick mother fuckers you wouldn't want
> to meet if your life depended on it!! on for "all for very little pay"!!! I
> still think they suck, but I get them a little slack, but not much.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> They are big ass holes with a hand gun and silver star on their chest!!
> They are not there to "Help" YOU!!!  they DON'T CARE!!!!! This has just been
> my ex
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>>  1. Re: Ibogaine Re: more on the case against prohibition (Brad Hays)
>>  2. Re: Ibogaine Re: more on the case against prohibition (Brad Hays)
>>  3. Re: Ibogaine Re: more on the case against prohibition
>>     (Scott Doran)
>>  4. Re: Ibogaine Re: more on the case against prohibition
>>     (Scott Doran)
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>> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 05:18:48 -0500
>> From: Brad Hays <bradleyheathhays at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Re: more on the case against
>>        prohibition
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>> K up to speed.  While this one has the potential to be one of the stranger
>> mini-episodes to hit the list in a while, oddly enough it seems both
>> refreshing that's it's not the same exact discourse, and already stale at
>> the same time.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 4:51 AM, simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk
>> >wrote:
>>
>>  Scott went to the cops to inform on the crack deals going down; hence
>>> being
>>> called a snitch. I would not go that far but would call it a bad decision
>>> personally knowing how this can just make things worse for you
>>> personally.
>>> Its nothing for these guys to ask the cops who informed; get that
>>> information if it let to a loss and inflict some serious retribution on
>>> your
>>> ass as they would say. Anyways we live and learn...
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Brad Hays <bradleyheathhays at gmail.com>
>>> *To:* The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>> *Sent:* Monday, 5 January, 2009 9:35:05
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Re: more on the case against
>>> prohibition
>>>
>>> x2 what Matt said.  I'm left wondering who the snitch is and why?  Sounds
>>> like an interesting story.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 1:47 AM, Warren Theriot <wleetheriot at ca.rr.com
>>> >wrote:
>>>
>>>  What's that supposed to mean?Warren
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 4, 2009, at 5:35 PM, robert farmer wrote:
>>>>
>>>> your a fucken snitch dont email me this BS
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 7:45 PM, Scott Doran <doranman2 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  That was an excellent article Warren. I recently had three large Sago
>>>>> palms stolen from a property that I was landscaping and so went looking
>>>>> in
>>>>> an area where crack is sold.. I was approached a half dozen times to
>>>>> buy
>>>>> crack and was followed down a dead end wooded street. I had to do a
>>>>> flying
>>>>> doughnut to keep these guys out of my car. I informed the police about
>>>>> the
>>>>> crack trade there and they just smiled. If I had informed them of a
>>>>> grow
>>>>> operation in my neighborhood , they would have been all over it like
>>>>> stink
>>>>> on shit. I guess that how they level the legal playing field. Do I have
>>>>> to
>>>>> buy a Glock to go retrieve my own property myself without getting
>>>>> rolled for
>>>>> my wallet. This is the same kind of crap which resulted my suffering
>>>>> two
>>>>> crushed vertebrae while the police videotaped without intervening. The
>>>>> tape
>>>>> disappeared (and no I have never bought crack). I think the police use
>>>>> the
>>>>> crack dealers to reel the white dummies in and then set them up with
>>>>> the
>>>>> police.
>>>>>
>>>>>  On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Warren Theriot <
>>>>> wleetheriot at ca.rr.com
>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   Here's more to support the case against prohibition:
>>>>>> http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_/ai_4551530
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Warren
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>> From: Brad Hays <bradleyheathhays at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Re: more on the case against
>>        prohibition
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>> I probably should have said that I'm not trying to dis any person here.
>> Those were just my overall thoughts on the thread.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 5:18 AM, Brad Hays <bradleyheathhays at gmail.com
>> >wrote:
>>
>>  K up to speed.  While this one has the potential to be one of the
>>> stranger
>>> mini-episodes to hit the list in a while, oddly enough it seems both
>>> refreshing that's it's not the same exact discourse, and already stale at
>>> the same time.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 4:51 AM, simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk
>>> >wrote:
>>>
>>>  Scott went to the cops to inform on the crack deals going down; hence
>>>> being called a snitch. I would not go that far but would call it a bad
>>>> decision personally knowing how this can just make things worse for you
>>>> personally. Its nothing for these guys to ask the cops who informed; get
>>>> that information if it let to a loss and inflict some serious
>>>> retribution on
>>>> your ass as they would say. Anyways we live and learn...
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> *From:* Brad Hays <bradleyheathhays at gmail.com>
>>>> *To:* The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, 5 January, 2009 9:35:05
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Re: more on the case against
>>>> prohibition
>>>>
>>>> x2 what Matt said.  I'm left wondering who the snitch is and why?
>>>>  Sounds
>>>> like an interesting story.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 1:47 AM, Warren Theriot <wleetheriot at ca.rr.com
>>>> >wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  What's that supposed to mean?Warren
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 4, 2009, at 5:35 PM, robert farmer wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> your a fucken snitch dont email me this BS
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 7:45 PM, Scott Doran <doranman2 at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  That was an excellent article Warren. I recently had three large Sago
>>>>>> palms stolen from a property that I was landscaping and so went
>>>>>> looking in
>>>>>> an area where crack is sold.. I was approached a half dozen times to
>>>>>> buy
>>>>>> crack and was followed down a dead end wooded street. I had to do a
>>>>>> flying
>>>>>> doughnut to keep these guys out of my car. I informed the police about
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> crack trade there and they just smiled. If I had informed them of a
>>>>>> grow
>>>>>> operation in my neighborhood , they would have been all over it like
>>>>>> stink
>>>>>> on shit. I guess that how they level the legal playing field. Do I
>>>>>> have to
>>>>>> buy a Glock to go retrieve my own property myself without getting
>>>>>> rolled for
>>>>>> my wallet. This is the same kind of crap which resulted my suffering
>>>>>> two
>>>>>> crushed vertebrae while the police videotaped without intervening. The
>>>>>> tape
>>>>>> disappeared (and no I have never bought crack). I think the police use
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> crack dealers to reel the white dummies in and then set them up with
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> police.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Warren Theriot <
>>>>>> wleetheriot at ca.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Here's more to support the case against prohibition:
>>>>>>> http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_/ai_4551530
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Warren
>>>>>>>
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>> From: "Scott Doran" <doranman2 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Re: more on the case against
>>        prohibition
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>> Dear Simon,
>> I was simply looking for landscape material that was most probably in the
>> area I was searching. I just wanted to find it, not confront anyone over
>> it.
>> I would have gone to the police i  that event. The area was much worse
>> than
>> I had imagined it to be. When I realized how bad it was, I decided to get
>> out of there. After people tried to accost me, I thought best to go to the
>> police and reported the theft. When reporting the theft, I simply asked
>> the
>> police if they were aware how bad the crack dealing was in that area, I
>> described no one, I did not go into details of anything that happened.
>>  That
>> was the sum total of my snitching. If my sister was raped while the
>> attackers smoked crack, I guess I would have to keep my mouth shut to
>> avoid
>> being an informer I don't think people should be arrested for crack, just
>> stealing and assaulting people.  I have successfully found stolen property
>> before by looking for it in the right place, so It seemed logical that I
>> could easily find these three large Sago Palms myself. The police won't do
>> anything, so I'll just have to write the whole thing off. Call me dumb if
>> you like, I think I was more pissed off than anything, but I totally
>> disavow
>> the snitch or informer label, harsh or not. I repeat, no person was
>> informed
>> on. I once again, simply asked a cop who I later found out grew up in that
>> neighborhood if he knew how bad crack dealing was there.  He knew more
>> about
>> how bad it was than I. If I asked the police if they knew how bad drugs
>> were
>> in a certain neighborhood was in NYC, I would be stigmatized also. Thank
>> you
>> for your objective feedback Simon. I'll just kick back and let these low
>> life's do whatever they want and comfort myself in the belief that at
>> least
>> I have a future, slightly financially stunted, but better than being left
>> in
>> a ditch over $300 worth of landscape material. And Simon, surely you can
>> come up with something more stupid than what ever I have done, just
>> reflect
>> upon your own personal history, I'm sure you could come up with a story
>> that
>> could outdo my misunderstood tale. I hope not by too much.
>> Respectfully yours,
>> Scott
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 4:47 AM, simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk
>> >wrote:
>>
>>  What the hell were you doing in a "crack area" looking for stolen
>>> property?
>>> I could not think of anything more stupid. Maybe a fucking snitch is a
>>> bit
>>> harsh but its not like these guys selling crack have great future
>>> prospects
>>> to start with. Being an informer wont get your plants back either.. I
>>> dont
>>> know man it sounds like a dumb thing to do.
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* robert farmer <robertakakoolcatfarmer at gmail.com>
>>> *To:* The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>> *Sent:* Monday, 5 January, 2009 3:35:45
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Re: more on the case against
>>> prohibition
>>>
>>> your a fucken snitch dont email me this BS
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 7:45 PM, Scott Doran <doranman2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>  That was an excellent article Warren. I recently had three large Sago
>>>> palms stolen from a property that I was landscaping and so went looking
>>>> in
>>>> an area where crack is sold. I was approached a half dozen times to buy
>>>> crack and was followed down a dead end wooded street. I had to do a
>>>> flying
>>>> doughnut to keep these guys out of my car. I informed the police about
>>>> the
>>>> crack trade there and they just smiled. If I had informed them of a grow
>>>> operation in my neighborhood , they would have been all over it like
>>>> stink
>>>> on shit. I guess that how they level the legal playing field. Do I have
>>>> to
>>>> buy a Glock to go retrieve my own property myself without getting rolled
>>>> for
>>>> my wallet. This is the same kind of crap which resulted my suffering two
>>>> crushed vertebrae while the police videotaped without intervening. The
>>>> tape
>>>> disappeared (and no I have never bought crack). I think the police use
>>>> the
>>>> crack dealers to reel the white dummies in and then set them up with the
>>>> police.
>>>>
>>>>  On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Warren Theriot <wleetheriot at ca.rr.com
>>>> >wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   Here's more to support the case against prohibition:
>>>>> http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_/ai_4551530
>>>>>
>>>>> Warren
>>>>>
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>> From: "Scott Doran" <doranman2 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Re: more on the case against
>>        prohibition
>> To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
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>> Simon, your most recent post did not show when I posted my previous, or I
>> would probably not have bothered posting. You did bring up some valid
>> points
>> and I do appreciate you as a person. As far as I';m concerned this thread
>> is
>> played out.
>> Thank you
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Scott Doran <doranman2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>  Dear Simon,
>>> I was simply looking for landscape material that was most probably in the
>>> area I was searching. I just wanted to find it, not confront anyone over
>>> it.
>>> I would have gone to the police i  that event. The area was much worse
>>> than
>>> I had imagined it to be. When I realized how bad it was, I decided to get
>>> out of there. After people tried to accost me, I thought best to go to
>>> the
>>> police and reported the theft. When reporting the theft, I simply asked
>>> the
>>> police if they were aware how bad the crack dealing was in that area, I
>>> described no one, I did not go into details of anything that happened.
>>>  That
>>> was the sum total of my snitching. If my sister was raped while the
>>> attackers smoked crack, I guess I would have to keep my mouth shut to
>>> avoid
>>> being an informer I don't think people should be arrested for crack, just
>>> stealing and assaulting people.  I have successfully found stolen
>>> property
>>> before by looking for it in the right place, so It seemed logical that I
>>> could easily find these three large Sago Palms myself. The police won't
>>> do
>>> anything, so I'll just have to write the whole thing off. Call me dumb if
>>> you like, I think I was more pissed off than anything, but I totally
>>> disavow
>>> the snitch or informer label, harsh or not. I repeat, no person was
>>> informed
>>> on. I once again, simply asked a cop who I later found out grew up in
>>> that
>>> neighborhood if he knew how bad crack dealing was there.  He knew more
>>> about
>>> how bad it was than I. If I asked the police if they knew how bad drugs
>>> were
>>> in a certain neighborhood was in NYC, I would be stigmatized also. Thank
>>> you
>>> for your objective feedback Simon. I'll just kick back and let these low
>>> life's do whatever they want and comfort myself in the belief that at
>>> least
>>> I have a future, slightly financially stunted, but better than being left
>>> in
>>> a ditch over $300 worth of landscape material. And Simon, surely you can
>>> come up with something more stupid than what ever I have done, just
>>> reflect
>>> upon your own personal history, I'm sure you could come up with a story
>>> that
>>> could outdo my misunderstood tale. I hope not by too much.
>>> Respectfully yours,
>>> Scott
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 4:47 AM, simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk
>>> >wrote:
>>>
>>>  What the hell were you doing in a "crack area" looking for stolen
>>>> property? I could not think of anything more stupid. Maybe a fucking
>>>> snitch
>>>> is a bit harsh but its not like these guys selling crack have great
>>>> future
>>>> prospects to start with. Being an informer wont get your plants back
>>>> either.. I dont know man it sounds like a dumb thing to do.
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> *From:* robert farmer <robertakakoolcatfarmer at gmail.com>
>>>> *To:* The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, 5 January, 2009 3:35:45
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Re: more on the case against
>>>> prohibition
>>>>
>>>> your a fucken snitch dont email me this BS
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 7:45 PM, Scott Doran <doranman2 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  That was an excellent article Warren. I recently had three large Sago
>>>>> palms stolen from a property that I was landscaping and so went looking
>>>>> in
>>>>> an area where crack is sold. I was approached a half dozen times to buy
>>>>> crack and was followed down a dead end wooded street. I had to do a
>>>>> flying
>>>>> doughnut to keep these guys out of my car. I informed the police about
>>>>> the
>>>>> crack trade there and they just smiled. If I had informed them of a
>>>>> grow
>>>>> operation in my neighborhood , they would have been all over it like
>>>>> stink
>>>>> on shit. I guess that how they level the legal playing field. Do I have
>>>>> to
>>>>> buy a Glock to go retrieve my own property myself without getting
>>>>> rolled for
>>>>> my wallet. This is the same kind of crap which resulted my suffering
>>>>> two
>>>>> crushed vertebrae while the police videotaped without intervening. The
>>>>> tape
>>>>> disappeared (and no I have never bought crack). I think the police use
>>>>> the
>>>>> crack dealers to reel the white dummies in and then set them up with
>>>>> the
>>>>> police.
>>>>>
>>>>>  On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Warren Theriot <
>>>>> wleetheriot at ca.rr.com
>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   Here's more to support the case against prohibition:
>>>>>> http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_/ai_4551530
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Warren
>>>>>>
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