[Ibogaine] Ibogaine Digest, Vol 13, Issue 13

Jeremy Spence jlspence at mac.com
Tue Jan 6 15:33:48 EST 2009


I understand you not agreeing with me, I meant to say, it just been my  
experience with them, that's all I really meant to say. I would not  
personally call them for "nothing"!!!!!

But that's my fucked up town. They are soooo 40's and 50's here, it's  
like I living back in time, the days of if you ever used a drug in  
your life, your this horrible, bad person!!!! Granted a lot of people  
i know who do use drugs are fucked!!!!!
It's sad, because I use to be pretty gone myself but I never fuck  
people over like that!! I made my mistakes, but I never just ripped  
the life out of somebody like a lot of people I knew did being on  
smack and shit.
I not going to say I was no angle, because I was far from that!! But I  
never stole people 1000 dollar shit!!!! I can honestly say I never did  
that!!! And I am not talking about a little here and here, I am  
talking about 1000's dollars worth of shit!!!!! That I have got taken  
just from me!!

It just soo sad how some people are!!

A lot of people say it the drugs!! I really don't think it is!!! I  
think that is partly why, because I don't believe that's the whole  
picture.  I think its much deeper than that!! I could be wrong??? I  
mean I was  out of my mind as anybody I knew and I didn't do that type  
of shit!!!

I understand somebody stealing to get by for a day, like taking a  
little bit of money to eat on, and maybe taking a few pills somebody  
got if your in withdraw really bad(not that that is right either), but  
to just clean a person out, man I don't get those types of  
people????????????
I just don't!!!

I have to wonder what kind of people they were before they ever got on  
drugs?????? I would believe most were horrible people before they ever  
touch a drug!!!!!! That's just my take on the shit...

I have known a few people that were half ok people and they were what  
the world would call addict, but man, they are far and in between  
people!!!!! I hate to say it most are completely fucks!! And I am what  
many would call a former addict.  But I never did the type of shit  
that many former addict have done. But I have to say, my addict was  
caused by being in pain 24/7 non stop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  for  
8 years or so!!
with nothing the stupid ass doctors who think they are GOD could do  
about it!! Oh, but blame me for wanting to have a disease so i could  
get pain meds!!!!

Yea, I choose my fucking disease so I could get pain meds!!!!!!!  Yea  
that's what I did!!! fucking idiots!!!!!!!

I don't know, I but far as the cop go, i have learn to tell them  
NOTHING 
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THEY 
  ARE NOT YOUR  
FRINDS 
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I no many would disagree with me, but that just how I see it.  I have  
tried to nice and have tired to be helpful, and I just get funny looks  
and fuck up type comments!!!! Stuff like, yea, you better be nice, I  
got gun and a badge type shit!!! it just pisses me off!!! I think they  
have WAY TOO MUCH  
POWER 
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Way too much!!!!

They should not just be able to search you car if you really were not  
doing anything wrong, but they can!! and that is  
fucked 
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That why I got out and VOTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and I could not vote for  
Mccaine!!!! I just could not do it!!!!! He wanted even more power for  
their fucked up asses!!! He wanted more SWAT team type shit!!!!
have you guy seen what the no knock type raids have been doing to  
people!!!!!!!!! DOES HE NOT SEE THE SAME STUFF I SEE ON THE WEB?????

People being kill because they think they being broken in to!!! I mean  
how are you to know????????????  You mean to tell me you would not  
protect your family if you thought you were being broken into????

AND YOU KNOW WHAT THE REAL KICK  
IS??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

THESE PEOPLE WHO DEFEND THEM SELF AGAINST THESE THESE TYPE OF RAID ARE  
BEING NOT ONLY SHOT!! BUT IF THE PERSON KILLS A POLICE OFFICER HE GETS  
CHARGE WITH THE  
LIFE 
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OR 
  IS MURDERED WITH DEALTH  
PENALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


YES, THIS IS HAPPING IN THE US!!! ALL OVER!!!!

I don't get these stupid ass congressman?????? I really don't!!!!

Your dam right I vote for Obama, and proud of it!!!! I still think so  
called "change" is not likely to happen, but I feel I voted for the  
person who at least has in the past has spoke out about some of this  
drugs war craziness!!!




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> From: "Charles Rossouw" <charles.rossouw at gmail.com>
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> Don't agree.  Some cops (at least here) do care.  They are just  
> overloaded
> with too much work, and red tape, and too little pay, and too much  
> nonsense.
>
> I think if you have reason to believe that your stuff is somewhere,  
> and if
> its important enough to get it, at least try.  Dealers are also  
> people.
> Different values, true, which most of us don't agree with.
>
> I treated a guy whose mom went into the worst part of Johannesburg to
> retrieve her TV which her son stole during the day; She was armed  
> with a
> .38, and she got the dealer to carry it for her while she screamed  
> "DRUG
> DEALER" all the way down five stories, while his buddies kept  
> themselves out
> of sight.  Not to be recommended, but her enthusiasm paid off.  She  
> got her
> stuff back.
>
> Regards
>
> Charles
> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Jeremy Spence <jlspence at mac.com>  
> wrote:
>
>> Man I hear you scott, but me personally "now" I would not call on  
>> the cops
>> if my life depended on it!!!! I really wouldn't!!  I need to get my  
>> glock
>> back, so i can protect myself.  I personally have found the cops to  
>> of "NO
>> USE"" when it comes to "anything" getting stolen!!!!  If it stolen,  
>> you can
>> pretty much kiss it good by!!!! The cops won't do SHIT!!!!
>> It just how they are........ They really don't care!!!
>>
>>
>> just to get them a tiny bit of slack, I think their job makes them  
>> this
>> way, all the stuff they have to deal with, fighting the drug war  
>> that never
>> seem to get any better, dealing with sick mother fuckers you  
>> wouldn't want
>> to meet if your life depended on it!! on for "all for very little  
>> pay"!!! I
>> still think they suck, but I get them a little slack, but not much.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> They are big ass holes with a hand gun and silver star on their  
>> chest!!
>> They are not there to "Help" YOU!!!  they DON'T CARE!!!!! This has  
>> just been
>> my ex
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>>> From: Brad Hays <bradleyheathhays at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Re: more on the case against
>>>       prohibition
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>>> K up to speed.  While this one has the potential to be one of the  
>>> stranger
>>> mini-episodes to hit the list in a while, oddly enough it seems both
>>> refreshing that's it's not the same exact discourse, and already  
>>> stale at
>>> the same time.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 4:51 AM, simon loxton  
>>> <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Scott went to the cops to inform on the crack deals going down;  
>>> hence
>>>> being
>>>> called a snitch. I would not go that far but would call it a bad  
>>>> decision
>>>> personally knowing how this can just make things worse for you
>>>> personally.
>>>> Its nothing for these guys to ask the cops who informed; get that
>>>> information if it let to a loss and inflict some serious  
>>>> retribution on
>>>> your
>>>> ass as they would say. Anyways we live and learn...
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> *From:* Brad Hays <bradleyheathhays at gmail.com>
>>>> *To:* The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, 5 January, 2009 9:35:05
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Re: more on the case against
>>>> prohibition
>>>>
>>>> x2 what Matt said.  I'm left wondering who the snitch is and  
>>>> why?  Sounds
>>>> like an interesting story.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 1:47 AM, Warren Theriot <wleetheriot at ca.rr.com
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What's that supposed to mean?Warren
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 4, 2009, at 5:35 PM, robert farmer wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> your a fucken snitch dont email me this BS
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 7:45 PM, Scott Doran <doranman2 at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> That was an excellent article Warren. I recently had three large  
>>>>> Sago
>>>>>> palms stolen from a property that I was landscaping and so went  
>>>>>> looking
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> an area where crack is sold.. I was approached a half dozen  
>>>>>> times to
>>>>>> buy
>>>>>> crack and was followed down a dead end wooded street. I had to  
>>>>>> do a
>>>>>> flying
>>>>>> doughnut to keep these guys out of my car. I informed the  
>>>>>> police about
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> crack trade there and they just smiled. If I had informed them  
>>>>>> of a
>>>>>> grow
>>>>>> operation in my neighborhood , they would have been all over it  
>>>>>> like
>>>>>> stink
>>>>>> on shit. I guess that how they level the legal playing field.  
>>>>>> Do I have
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> buy a Glock to go retrieve my own property myself without getting
>>>>>> rolled for
>>>>>> my wallet. This is the same kind of crap which resulted my  
>>>>>> suffering
>>>>>> two
>>>>>> crushed vertebrae while the police videotaped without  
>>>>>> intervening. The
>>>>>> tape
>>>>>> disappeared (and no I have never bought crack). I think the  
>>>>>> police use
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> crack dealers to reel the white dummies in and then set them up  
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> police.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Warren Theriot <
>>>>>> wleetheriot at ca.rr.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's more to support the case against prohibition:
>>>>>>> http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_/ai_4551530
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Warren
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>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Re: more on the case against
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>>> I probably should have said that I'm not trying to dis any person  
>>> here.
>>> Those were just my overall thoughts on the thread.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 5:18 AM, Brad Hays  
>>> <bradleyheathhays at gmail.com
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> K up to speed.  While this one has the potential to be one of the  
>>> stranger
>>>> mini-episodes to hit the list in a while, oddly enough it seems  
>>>> both
>>>> refreshing that's it's not the same exact discourse, and already  
>>>> stale at
>>>> the same time.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 4:51 AM, simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Scott went to the cops to inform on the crack deals going down;  
>>>> hence
>>>>> being called a snitch. I would not go that far but would call it  
>>>>> a bad
>>>>> decision personally knowing how this can just make things worse  
>>>>> for you
>>>>> personally. Its nothing for these guys to ask the cops who  
>>>>> informed; get
>>>>> that information if it let to a loss and inflict some serious
>>>>> retribution on
>>>>> your ass as they would say. Anyways we live and learn...
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> *From:* Brad Hays <bradleyheathhays at gmail.com>
>>>>> *To:* The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, 5 January, 2009 9:35:05
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Re: more on the case against
>>>>> prohibition
>>>>>
>>>>> x2 what Matt said.  I'm left wondering who the snitch is and why?
>>>>> Sounds
>>>>> like an interesting story.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 1:47 AM, Warren Theriot <wleetheriot at ca.rr.com
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> What's that supposed to mean?Warren
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 4, 2009, at 5:35 PM, robert farmer wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> your a fucken snitch dont email me this BS
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 7:45 PM, Scott Doran <doranman2 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That was an excellent article Warren. I recently had three  
>>>>>> large Sago
>>>>>>> palms stolen from a property that I was landscaping and so went
>>>>>>> looking in
>>>>>>> an area where crack is sold.. I was approached a half dozen  
>>>>>>> times to
>>>>>>> buy
>>>>>>> crack and was followed down a dead end wooded street. I had to  
>>>>>>> do a
>>>>>>> flying
>>>>>>> doughnut to keep these guys out of my car. I informed the  
>>>>>>> police about
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> crack trade there and they just smiled. If I had informed them  
>>>>>>> of a
>>>>>>> grow
>>>>>>> operation in my neighborhood , they would have been all over  
>>>>>>> it like
>>>>>>> stink
>>>>>>> on shit. I guess that how they level the legal playing field.  
>>>>>>> Do I
>>>>>>> have to
>>>>>>> buy a Glock to go retrieve my own property myself without  
>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>> rolled for
>>>>>>> my wallet. This is the same kind of crap which resulted my  
>>>>>>> suffering
>>>>>>> two
>>>>>>> crushed vertebrae while the police videotaped without  
>>>>>>> intervening. The
>>>>>>> tape
>>>>>>> disappeared (and no I have never bought crack). I think the  
>>>>>>> police use
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> crack dealers to reel the white dummies in and then set them  
>>>>>>> up with
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> police.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Warren Theriot <
>>>>>>> wleetheriot at ca.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here's more to support the case against prohibition:
>>>>>>>> http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_/ai_4551530
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Warren
>>>>>>>>
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>>> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 09:18:53 -0500
>>> From: "Scott Doran" <doranman2 at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Re: more on the case against
>>>       prohibition
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>>> Dear Simon,
>>> I was simply looking for landscape material that was most probably  
>>> in the
>>> area I was searching. I just wanted to find it, not confront  
>>> anyone over
>>> it.
>>> I would have gone to the police i  that event. The area was much  
>>> worse
>>> than
>>> I had imagined it to be. When I realized how bad it was, I decided  
>>> to get
>>> out of there. After people tried to accost me, I thought best to  
>>> go to the
>>> police and reported the theft. When reporting the theft, I simply  
>>> asked
>>> the
>>> police if they were aware how bad the crack dealing was in that  
>>> area, I
>>> described no one, I did not go into details of anything that  
>>> happened.
>>> That
>>> was the sum total of my snitching. If my sister was raped while the
>>> attackers smoked crack, I guess I would have to keep my mouth shut  
>>> to
>>> avoid
>>> being an informer I don't think people should be arrested for  
>>> crack, just
>>> stealing and assaulting people.  I have successfully found stolen  
>>> property
>>> before by looking for it in the right place, so It seemed logical  
>>> that I
>>> could easily find these three large Sago Palms myself. The police  
>>> won't do
>>> anything, so I'll just have to write the whole thing off. Call me  
>>> dumb if
>>> you like, I think I was more pissed off than anything, but I totally
>>> disavow
>>> the snitch or informer label, harsh or not. I repeat, no person was
>>> informed
>>> on. I once again, simply asked a cop who I later found out grew up  
>>> in that
>>> neighborhood if he knew how bad crack dealing was there.  He knew  
>>> more
>>> about
>>> how bad it was than I. If I asked the police if they knew how bad  
>>> drugs
>>> were
>>> in a certain neighborhood was in NYC, I would be stigmatized also.  
>>> Thank
>>> you
>>> for your objective feedback Simon. I'll just kick back and let  
>>> these low
>>> life's do whatever they want and comfort myself in the belief that  
>>> at
>>> least
>>> I have a future, slightly financially stunted, but better than  
>>> being left
>>> in
>>> a ditch over $300 worth of landscape material. And Simon, surely  
>>> you can
>>> come up with something more stupid than what ever I have done, just
>>> reflect
>>> upon your own personal history, I'm sure you could come up with a  
>>> story
>>> that
>>> could outdo my misunderstood tale. I hope not by too much.
>>> Respectfully yours,
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 4:47 AM, simon loxton  
>>> <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> What the hell were you doing in a "crack area" looking for stolen
>>>> property?
>>>> I could not think of anything more stupid. Maybe a fucking snitch  
>>>> is a
>>>> bit
>>>> harsh but its not like these guys selling crack have great future
>>>> prospects
>>>> to start with. Being an informer wont get your plants back  
>>>> either.. I
>>>> dont
>>>> know man it sounds like a dumb thing to do.
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> *From:* robert farmer <robertakakoolcatfarmer at gmail.com>
>>>> *To:* The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, 5 January, 2009 3:35:45
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Re: more on the case against
>>>> prohibition
>>>>
>>>> your a fucken snitch dont email me this BS
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 7:45 PM, Scott Doran <doranman2 at gmail.com>  
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> That was an excellent article Warren. I recently had three large  
>>>> Sago
>>>>> palms stolen from a property that I was landscaping and so went  
>>>>> looking
>>>>> in
>>>>> an area where crack is sold. I was approached a half dozen times  
>>>>> to buy
>>>>> crack and was followed down a dead end wooded street. I had to  
>>>>> do a
>>>>> flying
>>>>> doughnut to keep these guys out of my car. I informed the police  
>>>>> about
>>>>> the
>>>>> crack trade there and they just smiled. If I had informed them  
>>>>> of a grow
>>>>> operation in my neighborhood , they would have been all over it  
>>>>> like
>>>>> stink
>>>>> on shit. I guess that how they level the legal playing field. Do  
>>>>> I have
>>>>> to
>>>>> buy a Glock to go retrieve my own property myself without  
>>>>> getting rolled
>>>>> for
>>>>> my wallet. This is the same kind of crap which resulted my  
>>>>> suffering two
>>>>> crushed vertebrae while the police videotaped without  
>>>>> intervening. The
>>>>> tape
>>>>> disappeared (and no I have never bought crack). I think the  
>>>>> police use
>>>>> the
>>>>> crack dealers to reel the white dummies in and then set them up  
>>>>> with the
>>>>> police.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Warren Theriot <wleetheriot at ca.rr.com
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's more to support the case against prohibition:
>>>>>> http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_/ai_4551530
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Warren
>>>>>>
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>>> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 09:27:30 -0500
>>> From: "Scott Doran" <doranman2 at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Re: more on the case against
>>>       prohibition
>>> To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
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>>> Simon, your most recent post did not show when I posted my  
>>> previous, or I
>>> would probably not have bothered posting. You did bring up some  
>>> valid
>>> points
>>> and I do appreciate you as a person. As far as I';m concerned this  
>>> thread
>>> is
>>> played out.
>>> Thank you
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Scott Doran <doranman2 at gmail.com>  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Simon,
>>>> I was simply looking for landscape material that was most  
>>>> probably in the
>>>> area I was searching. I just wanted to find it, not confront  
>>>> anyone over
>>>> it.
>>>> I would have gone to the police i  that event. The area was much  
>>>> worse
>>>> than
>>>> I had imagined it to be. When I realized how bad it was, I  
>>>> decided to get
>>>> out of there. After people tried to accost me, I thought best to  
>>>> go to
>>>> the
>>>> police and reported the theft. When reporting the theft, I simply  
>>>> asked
>>>> the
>>>> police if they were aware how bad the crack dealing was in that  
>>>> area, I
>>>> described no one, I did not go into details of anything that  
>>>> happened.
>>>> That
>>>> was the sum total of my snitching. If my sister was raped while the
>>>> attackers smoked crack, I guess I would have to keep my mouth  
>>>> shut to
>>>> avoid
>>>> being an informer I don't think people should be arrested for  
>>>> crack, just
>>>> stealing and assaulting people.  I have successfully found stolen
>>>> property
>>>> before by looking for it in the right place, so It seemed logical  
>>>> that I
>>>> could easily find these three large Sago Palms myself. The police  
>>>> won't
>>>> do
>>>> anything, so I'll just have to write the whole thing off. Call me  
>>>> dumb if
>>>> you like, I think I was more pissed off than anything, but I  
>>>> totally
>>>> disavow
>>>> the snitch or informer label, harsh or not. I repeat, no person was
>>>> informed
>>>> on. I once again, simply asked a cop who I later found out grew  
>>>> up in
>>>> that
>>>> neighborhood if he knew how bad crack dealing was there.  He knew  
>>>> more
>>>> about
>>>> how bad it was than I. If I asked the police if they knew how bad  
>>>> drugs
>>>> were
>>>> in a certain neighborhood was in NYC, I would be stigmatized  
>>>> also. Thank
>>>> you
>>>> for your objective feedback Simon. I'll just kick back and let  
>>>> these low
>>>> life's do whatever they want and comfort myself in the belief  
>>>> that at
>>>> least
>>>> I have a future, slightly financially stunted, but better than  
>>>> being left
>>>> in
>>>> a ditch over $300 worth of landscape material. And Simon, surely  
>>>> you can
>>>> come up with something more stupid than what ever I have done, just
>>>> reflect
>>>> upon your own personal history, I'm sure you could come up with a  
>>>> story
>>>> that
>>>> could outdo my misunderstood tale. I hope not by too much.
>>>> Respectfully yours,
>>>> Scott
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 4:47 AM, simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What the hell were you doing in a "crack area" looking for stolen
>>>>> property? I could not think of anything more stupid. Maybe a  
>>>>> fucking
>>>>> snitch
>>>>> is a bit harsh but its not like these guys selling crack have  
>>>>> great
>>>>> future
>>>>> prospects to start with. Being an informer wont get your plants  
>>>>> back
>>>>> either.. I dont know man it sounds like a dumb thing to do.
>>>>>
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>>>>> *From:* robert farmer <robertakakoolcatfarmer at gmail.com>
>>>>> *To:* The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, 5 January, 2009 3:35:45
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Re: more on the case against
>>>>> prohibition
>>>>>
>>>>> your a fucken snitch dont email me this BS
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 7:45 PM, Scott Doran <doranman2 at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> That was an excellent article Warren. I recently had three large  
>>>>> Sago
>>>>>> palms stolen from a property that I was landscaping and so went  
>>>>>> looking
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> an area where crack is sold. I was approached a half dozen  
>>>>>> times to buy
>>>>>> crack and was followed down a dead end wooded street. I had to  
>>>>>> do a
>>>>>> flying
>>>>>> doughnut to keep these guys out of my car. I informed the  
>>>>>> police about
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> crack trade there and they just smiled. If I had informed them  
>>>>>> of a
>>>>>> grow
>>>>>> operation in my neighborhood , they would have been all over it  
>>>>>> like
>>>>>> stink
>>>>>> on shit. I guess that how they level the legal playing field.  
>>>>>> Do I have
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> buy a Glock to go retrieve my own property myself without getting
>>>>>> rolled for
>>>>>> my wallet. This is the same kind of crap which resulted my  
>>>>>> suffering
>>>>>> two
>>>>>> crushed vertebrae while the police videotaped without  
>>>>>> intervening. The
>>>>>> tape
>>>>>> disappeared (and no I have never bought crack). I think the  
>>>>>> police use
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> crack dealers to reel the white dummies in and then set them up  
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> police.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Warren Theriot <
>>>>>> wleetheriot at ca.rr.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's more to support the case against prohibition:
>>>>>>> http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_/ai_4551530
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Warren
>>>>>>>
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