[Ibogaine] Ibogaine Digest, Vol 13, Issue 11

Jeremy Spence jlspence at mac.com
Tue Jan 6 13:05:36 EST 2009


Man I hear you scott, but me personally "now" I would not call on the  
cops if my life depended on it!!!! I really wouldn't!!  I need to get  
my glock back, so i can protect myself.  I personally have found the  
cops to of "NO USE"" when it comes to "anything" getting stolen!!!!   
If it stolen, you can pretty much kiss it good by!!!! The cops won't  
do SHIT!!!!
It just how they are........ They really don't care!!!


just to get them a tiny bit of slack, I think their job makes them  
this way, all the stuff they have to deal with, fighting the drug war  
that never seem to get any better, dealing with sick mother fuckers  
you wouldn't want to meet if your life depended on it!! on for "all  
for very little pay"!!! I still think they suck, but I get them a  
little slack, but not much.






They are big ass holes with a hand gun and silver star on their  
chest!! They are not there to "Help" YOU!!!  they DON'T CARE!!!!! This  
has just been my ex
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> From: Brad Hays <bradleyheathhays at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Re: more on the case against
> 	prohibition
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> K up to speed.  While this one has the potential to be one of the  
> stranger
> mini-episodes to hit the list in a while, oddly enough it seems both
> refreshing that's it's not the same exact discourse, and already  
> stale at
> the same time.
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> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 4:51 AM, simon loxton  
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>> Scott went to the cops to inform on the crack deals going down;  
>> hence being
>> called a snitch. I would not go that far but would call it a bad  
>> decision
>> personally knowing how this can just make things worse for you  
>> personally.
>> Its nothing for these guys to ask the cops who informed; get that
>> information if it let to a loss and inflict some serious  
>> retribution on your
>> ass as they would say. Anyways we live and learn...
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Brad Hays <bradleyheathhays at gmail.com>
>> *To:* The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> *Sent:* Monday, 5 January, 2009 9:35:05
>> *Subject:* Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Re: more on the case against
>> prohibition
>>
>> x2 what Matt said.  I'm left wondering who the snitch is and why?   
>> Sounds
>> like an interesting story.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 1:47 AM, Warren Theriot  
>> <wleetheriot at ca.rr.com>wrote:
>>
>>> What's that supposed to mean?Warren
>>>
>>> On Jan 4, 2009, at 5:35 PM, robert farmer wrote:
>>>
>>> your a fucken snitch dont email me this BS
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 7:45 PM, Scott Doran <doranman2 at gmail.com>  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> That was an excellent article Warren. I recently had three large  
>>>> Sago
>>>> palms stolen from a property that I was landscaping and so went  
>>>> looking in
>>>> an area where crack is sold.. I was approached a half dozen times  
>>>> to buy
>>>> crack and was followed down a dead end wooded street. I had to do  
>>>> a flying
>>>> doughnut to keep these guys out of my car. I informed the police  
>>>> about the
>>>> crack trade there and they just smiled. If I had informed them of  
>>>> a grow
>>>> operation in my neighborhood , they would have been all over it  
>>>> like stink
>>>> on shit. I guess that how they level the legal playing field. Do  
>>>> I have to
>>>> buy a Glock to go retrieve my own property myself without getting  
>>>> rolled for
>>>> my wallet. This is the same kind of crap which resulted my  
>>>> suffering two
>>>> crushed vertebrae while the police videotaped without  
>>>> intervening. The tape
>>>> disappeared (and no I have never bought crack). I think the  
>>>> police use the
>>>> crack dealers to reel the white dummies in and then set them up  
>>>> with the
>>>> police.
>>>>
>>>>  On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Warren Theriot <wleetheriot at ca.rr.com
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  Here's more to support the case against prohibition:
>>>>> http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_/ai_4551530
>>>>>
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> I probably should have said that I'm not trying to dis any person  
> here.
> Those were just my overall thoughts on the thread.
>
> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 5:18 AM, Brad Hays  
> <bradleyheathhays at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> K up to speed.  While this one has the potential to be one of the  
>> stranger
>> mini-episodes to hit the list in a while, oddly enough it seems both
>> refreshing that's it's not the same exact discourse, and already  
>> stale at
>> the same time.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 4:51 AM, simon loxton  
>> <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
>>
>>> Scott went to the cops to inform on the crack deals going down;  
>>> hence
>>> being called a snitch. I would not go that far but would call it a  
>>> bad
>>> decision personally knowing how this can just make things worse  
>>> for you
>>> personally. Its nothing for these guys to ask the cops who  
>>> informed; get
>>> that information if it let to a loss and inflict some serious  
>>> retribution on
>>> your ass as they would say. Anyways we live and learn...
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Brad Hays <bradleyheathhays at gmail.com>
>>> *To:* The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>> *Sent:* Monday, 5 January, 2009 9:35:05
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Re: more on the case against
>>> prohibition
>>>
>>> x2 what Matt said.  I'm left wondering who the snitch is and why?   
>>> Sounds
>>> like an interesting story.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 1:47 AM, Warren Theriot <wleetheriot at ca.rr.com 
>>> >wrote:
>>>
>>>> What's that supposed to mean?Warren
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 4, 2009, at 5:35 PM, robert farmer wrote:
>>>>
>>>> your a fucken snitch dont email me this BS
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 7:45 PM, Scott Doran <doranman2 at gmail.com>  
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That was an excellent article Warren. I recently had three large  
>>>>> Sago
>>>>> palms stolen from a property that I was landscaping and so went  
>>>>> looking in
>>>>> an area where crack is sold.. I was approached a half dozen  
>>>>> times to buy
>>>>> crack and was followed down a dead end wooded street. I had to  
>>>>> do a flying
>>>>> doughnut to keep these guys out of my car. I informed the police  
>>>>> about the
>>>>> crack trade there and they just smiled. If I had informed them  
>>>>> of a grow
>>>>> operation in my neighborhood , they would have been all over it  
>>>>> like stink
>>>>> on shit. I guess that how they level the legal playing field. Do  
>>>>> I have to
>>>>> buy a Glock to go retrieve my own property myself without  
>>>>> getting rolled for
>>>>> my wallet. This is the same kind of crap which resulted my  
>>>>> suffering two
>>>>> crushed vertebrae while the police videotaped without  
>>>>> intervening. The tape
>>>>> disappeared (and no I have never bought crack). I think the  
>>>>> police use the
>>>>> crack dealers to reel the white dummies in and then set them up  
>>>>> with the
>>>>> police.
>>>>>
>>>>>  On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Warren Theriot <
>>>>> wleetheriot at ca.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>  Here's more to support the case against prohibition:
>>>>>> http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_/ai_4551530
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Warren
>>>>>>
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> From: "Scott Doran" <doranman2 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Re: more on the case against
> 	prohibition
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> Dear Simon,
> I was simply looking for landscape material that was most probably  
> in the
> area I was searching. I just wanted to find it, not confront anyone  
> over it.
> I would have gone to the police i  that event. The area was much  
> worse than
> I had imagined it to be. When I realized how bad it was, I decided  
> to get
> out of there. After people tried to accost me, I thought best to go  
> to the
> police and reported the theft. When reporting the theft, I simply  
> asked the
> police if they were aware how bad the crack dealing was in that  
> area, I
> described no one, I did not go into details of anything that  
> happened.  That
> was the sum total of my snitching. If my sister was raped while the
> attackers smoked crack, I guess I would have to keep my mouth shut  
> to avoid
> being an informer I don't think people should be arrested for crack,  
> just
> stealing and assaulting people.  I have successfully found stolen  
> property
> before by looking for it in the right place, so It seemed logical  
> that I
> could easily find these three large Sago Palms myself. The police  
> won't do
> anything, so I'll just have to write the whole thing off. Call me  
> dumb if
> you like, I think I was more pissed off than anything, but I totally  
> disavow
> the snitch or informer label, harsh or not. I repeat, no person was  
> informed
> on. I once again, simply asked a cop who I later found out grew up  
> in that
> neighborhood if he knew how bad crack dealing was there.  He knew  
> more about
> how bad it was than I. If I asked the police if they knew how bad  
> drugs were
> in a certain neighborhood was in NYC, I would be stigmatized also.  
> Thank you
> for your objective feedback Simon. I'll just kick back and let these  
> low
> life's do whatever they want and comfort myself in the belief that  
> at least
> I have a future, slightly financially stunted, but better than being  
> left in
> a ditch over $300 worth of landscape material. And Simon, surely you  
> can
> come up with something more stupid than what ever I have done, just  
> reflect
> upon your own personal history, I'm sure you could come up with a  
> story that
> could outdo my misunderstood tale. I hope not by too much.
> Respectfully yours,
> Scott
>
> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 4:47 AM, simon loxton  
> <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
>
>> What the hell were you doing in a "crack area" looking for stolen  
>> property?
>> I could not think of anything more stupid. Maybe a fucking snitch  
>> is a bit
>> harsh but its not like these guys selling crack have great future  
>> prospects
>> to start with. Being an informer wont get your plants back either..  
>> I dont
>> know man it sounds like a dumb thing to do.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* robert farmer <robertakakoolcatfarmer at gmail.com>
>> *To:* The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> *Sent:* Monday, 5 January, 2009 3:35:45
>> *Subject:* Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Re: more on the case against
>> prohibition
>>
>> your a fucken snitch dont email me this BS
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 7:45 PM, Scott Doran <doranman2 at gmail.com>  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> That was an excellent article Warren. I recently had three large  
>>> Sago
>>> palms stolen from a property that I was landscaping and so went  
>>> looking in
>>> an area where crack is sold. I was approached a half dozen times  
>>> to buy
>>> crack and was followed down a dead end wooded street. I had to do  
>>> a flying
>>> doughnut to keep these guys out of my car. I informed the police  
>>> about the
>>> crack trade there and they just smiled. If I had informed them of  
>>> a grow
>>> operation in my neighborhood , they would have been all over it  
>>> like stink
>>> on shit. I guess that how they level the legal playing field. Do I  
>>> have to
>>> buy a Glock to go retrieve my own property myself without getting  
>>> rolled for
>>> my wallet. This is the same kind of crap which resulted my  
>>> suffering two
>>> crushed vertebrae while the police videotaped without intervening.  
>>> The tape
>>> disappeared (and no I have never bought crack). I think the police  
>>> use the
>>> crack dealers to reel the white dummies in and then set them up  
>>> with the
>>> police.
>>>
>>>  On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Warren Theriot <wleetheriot at ca.rr.com 
>>> >wrote:
>>>
>>>>  Here's more to support the case against prohibition:
>>>> http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_/ai_4551530
>>>>
>>>> Warren
>>>>
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> From: "Scott Doran" <doranman2 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Re: more on the case against
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> Simon, your most recent post did not show when I posted my previous,  
> or I
> would probably not have bothered posting. You did bring up some  
> valid points
> and I do appreciate you as a person. As far as I';m concerned this  
> thread is
> played out.
> Thank you
>
> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Scott Doran <doranman2 at gmail.com>  
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Simon,
>> I was simply looking for landscape material that was most probably  
>> in the
>> area I was searching. I just wanted to find it, not confront anyone  
>> over it.
>> I would have gone to the police i  that event. The area was much  
>> worse than
>> I had imagined it to be. When I realized how bad it was, I decided  
>> to get
>> out of there. After people tried to accost me, I thought best to go  
>> to the
>> police and reported the theft. When reporting the theft, I simply  
>> asked the
>> police if they were aware how bad the crack dealing was in that  
>> area, I
>> described no one, I did not go into details of anything that  
>> happened.  That
>> was the sum total of my snitching. If my sister was raped while the
>> attackers smoked crack, I guess I would have to keep my mouth shut  
>> to avoid
>> being an informer I don't think people should be arrested for  
>> crack, just
>> stealing and assaulting people.  I have successfully found stolen  
>> property
>> before by looking for it in the right place, so It seemed logical  
>> that I
>> could easily find these three large Sago Palms myself. The police  
>> won't do
>> anything, so I'll just have to write the whole thing off. Call me  
>> dumb if
>> you like, I think I was more pissed off than anything, but I  
>> totally disavow
>> the snitch or informer label, harsh or not. I repeat, no person was  
>> informed
>> on. I once again, simply asked a cop who I later found out grew up  
>> in that
>> neighborhood if he knew how bad crack dealing was there.  He knew  
>> more about
>> how bad it was than I. If I asked the police if they knew how bad  
>> drugs were
>> in a certain neighborhood was in NYC, I would be stigmatized also.  
>> Thank you
>> for your objective feedback Simon. I'll just kick back and let  
>> these low
>> life's do whatever they want and comfort myself in the belief that  
>> at least
>> I have a future, slightly financially stunted, but better than  
>> being left in
>> a ditch over $300 worth of landscape material. And Simon, surely  
>> you can
>> come up with something more stupid than what ever I have done, just  
>> reflect
>> upon your own personal history, I'm sure you could come up with a  
>> story that
>> could outdo my misunderstood tale. I hope not by too much.
>> Respectfully yours,
>> Scott
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 4:47 AM, simon loxton  
>> <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
>>
>>> What the hell were you doing in a "crack area" looking for stolen
>>> property? I could not think of anything more stupid. Maybe a  
>>> fucking snitch
>>> is a bit harsh but its not like these guys selling crack have  
>>> great future
>>> prospects to start with. Being an informer wont get your plants back
>>> either.. I dont know man it sounds like a dumb thing to do.
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* robert farmer <robertakakoolcatfarmer at gmail.com>
>>> *To:* The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>> *Sent:* Monday, 5 January, 2009 3:35:45
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Re: more on the case against
>>> prohibition
>>>
>>> your a fucken snitch dont email me this BS
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 7:45 PM, Scott Doran <doranman2 at gmail.com>  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> That was an excellent article Warren. I recently had three large  
>>>> Sago
>>>> palms stolen from a property that I was landscaping and so went  
>>>> looking in
>>>> an area where crack is sold. I was approached a half dozen times  
>>>> to buy
>>>> crack and was followed down a dead end wooded street. I had to do  
>>>> a flying
>>>> doughnut to keep these guys out of my car. I informed the police  
>>>> about the
>>>> crack trade there and they just smiled. If I had informed them of  
>>>> a grow
>>>> operation in my neighborhood , they would have been all over it  
>>>> like stink
>>>> on shit. I guess that how they level the legal playing field. Do  
>>>> I have to
>>>> buy a Glock to go retrieve my own property myself without getting  
>>>> rolled for
>>>> my wallet. This is the same kind of crap which resulted my  
>>>> suffering two
>>>> crushed vertebrae while the police videotaped without  
>>>> intervening. The tape
>>>> disappeared (and no I have never bought crack). I think the  
>>>> police use the
>>>> crack dealers to reel the white dummies in and then set them up  
>>>> with the
>>>> police.
>>>>
>>>>  On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Warren Theriot <wleetheriot at ca.rr.com
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  Here's more to support the case against prohibition:
>>>>> http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_/ai_4551530
>>>>>
>>>>> Warren
>>>>>
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