[Ibogaine] Ibogaine Digest, Vol 13, Issue 4

Scott Doran doranman2 at gmail.com
Sat Jan 3 18:24:02 EST 2009


Don't sweat it Jeremy, God doesn't. Last time I talked to him he even said
it was OK if I didn't believe in him. He just asked me to be here now. Takes
a lot of practice. God's pretty good at it cause he's been doing it forever.
Peace Man

On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Jeremy Spence <jlspence at mac.com> wrote:

> I believe in God, but man, these freak'en so called "born again"
> christians!!  Man they just take there view too far!!!! They take in to
> fucking everybody else!! just because of their fucking views!!!!
> It makes my sick!!! They only one view of the world and nothing else!! and
> everybody else is wrong and going to hell!! I can't deal with those freak'en
> people, I just can't!!
>
> It even hard for me to go to church because of them!!! They think they are
> soooo much better than everybody else!! and most of them are just as fucked
> up or if not MORE!!!
>
>
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>>  1. Re: In case Santa didn't (knowone knowwhere)
>>  2. Re: In case Santa didn't (Scott Doran)
>>  3. ROOTS - Dont Forget Where are We Came From.. on Flickr -
>>     Photo Sharing! (Nyc Labrets)
>>  4. Re: In case Santa didn't (simon loxton)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 00:34:46 +0000 (GMT)
>> From: knowone knowwhere <kn0m0n3 at yahoo.co.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] In case Santa didn't
>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> Message-ID: <199087.96342.qm at web26006.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
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>>
>> ?
>> ?
>> Just wait until universal heathcare comes around
>> how justified they will feel in destroying lives.
>> ?
>> ?????????? IF freedom exists, THEN I should be able to plant my own opium,
>> my own iboga, my own herb,?
>> ?
>> ?It is a matter of personal freedom and dignity.
>> ?
>> ? plus you get great incentive to?LEARN the science of making better
>> personal supply (i.e. opium into M99 w/ some Revivon just in case)
>> ?
>> ?
>> But the red tape factories
>> ?
>> and drug lords
>> ?
>> ?want the -->profits<--
>> ?
>> and as burroughs says
>> "one thing is for certain is the tried and failed police approch continue
>> and escalate".
>>
>> Jason
>> ?
>>
>> --- On Fri, 2/1/09, Warren Theriot <wleetheriot at ca.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: Warren Theriot <wleetheriot at ca.rr.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] In case Santa didn't
>> To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> Date: Friday, 2 January, 2009, 1:58 PM
>>
>>
>> Hi Preston,
>> Happy New Year hopefully.
>> Over 2 million people a year buy and use mushrooms in Amsterdam without
>> fatal incidents. People still kill themselves from mis-use of alcohol and
>> cigarettes. ?Still, the continued world wide US instigated war on drugs
>> continues to be a failure. 5000+ dead in Mexico and the US because of drug
>> war violence in 2008. Mexican gang war turf invades Los Angeles like cancer.
>> People accidently drive into the wrong neighborhoods and get shot and killed
>> because of drug gangs. ?The law and legislators are complicit in this
>> criminal activity. War perpetuates war and the killings won't stop from
>> harsher wars. Trillions of dollars wasted for nothing but more and more
>> trouble. ?Drug prohibition never saved any of my old dead high school
>> friends lives nor created any decent respect for the law in my observations.
>> Alcohol prohibition in the 1920's made the mold for the model that created
>> the present world wide criminal enterprise in illegal drug trade and there
>> is no
>> new paradigm in sight except to end prohibition.?
>> Maybe they should ban money instead of mushrooms. More people kill
>> themselves and jump off bridges and out of high-rise buildings because of
>> money than magic mushrooms. Bans on mushrooms never really saved any lives
>> no matter what kind of mushrooms. The only salvation is education and
>> respect for self and others. I don't think harsh drug laws create respect,
>> only resentment and opportunities to exploit for profit. As long as people
>> live and breathe there will always be a demand for something to alter
>> consciousness. Better to make the world a safer place in which to live by
>> harm reduction programs instead of drug-prisons which are actually criminal
>> universities. Better to legalize Ibogaine so the proper reseach can be
>> completed so people who are having a problem with addictive drugs can get
>> off of them or manage their pain more effectively. Pharmaceutical companies
>> against Ibogaine are against the true well being of humanity. Self-serving
>> profit-motivated
>> BS.?
>> Peace,
>> Warren
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 2, 2009, at 11:48 AM, Preston Peet wrote: ?
>>
>>
>>
>> The three titled under "related articles" are all active links at the
>> immediately following URL, so be sure to visit those too, for even more on
>> the "ban":
>> ?
>>
>> http://www.expatica.com/nl/news/local_news/Troubles-with-magic-mushroom-ban_47814.html
>> ?
>> Troubles with magic mushroom ban
>>
>> Amsterdam Mayor Job Cohen refuses to implement the measure due to
>> difficulties.
>>
>> Related Articles
>>
>> Amsterdam will not enforce mushroom ban
>> No more magic mushrooms for the Dutch
>> Magic mushrooms ban upheld
>> 4 December 2008
>>
>> AMSTERDAM - Dutch ministers are divided over the ban on magic mushrooms
>> which began Monday. Amsterdam Mayor Job Cohen is refusing to implement the
>> measure in the capital because of the difficulties involved.?
>>
>> One issue is the difficulty distinguishing between hallucinogenic
>> varieties and ordinary edible mushrooms.
>>
>> Christian Democrat Health Minister Ab Klink says he is relying on the
>> police to enforce the law.?
>>
>> However, Interior Minister Guusje ter Horst, a member of the Labour Party,
>> says she understands Mr Cohen's point of view.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From:?simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
>> To:?The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> Sent:?Friday, January 2, 2009 1:20:27 PM
>> Subject:?Re: [Ibogaine] In case Santa didn't
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks Marko;
>>
>> On the subject of mushrooms: I heard from a friend of mine in Amsterdam
>> that mushrooms are now illegal! Sometimes I wonder which direction we are
>> heading in. In most cases when there is a recession things turn a bit more
>> conservative. Ass-biscuits!
>>
>> Si'
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From:?marko <marko at phantom.com>
>> To:?The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> Sent:?Friday, 2 January, 2009 20:12:21
>> Subject:?Re: [Ibogaine] In case Santa didn't
>>
>> Dave Hunter,?gammalyte at gmail.com
>>
>> Marko
>>
>> simon loxton wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hello Marko;
>>
>> Where are they available from?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From:?marko?<marko at phantom.com>
>> To:?The Ibogaine List?<ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> Sent:?Friday, 2 January, 2009 14:59:30
>> Subject:?[Ibogaine] In case Santa didn't
>>
>> bring you everything you asked for ( Ibogaine, or at least those pretty
>> red mushrooms with white spots), I think that DH still has a few of his
>> awesome Ibogaine posters, but hurry with orders, there's not enough for
>> everyone!
>>
>> Attached photos are merely bad reflections of originals...
>>
>> Enjoy 2009,
>>
>> Marko
>>
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>> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 05:24:52 -0500
>> From: "Scott Doran" <doranman2 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] In case Santa didn't
>> To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> Message-ID:
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>> Maybe this is a dumb question, but how will universal health care have
>> effect in destroying lives? I thought it was the lack of health care that
>> was the problem. Are they planning on drug testing everyone who comes in
>> for
>> care or something?
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 7:34 PM, knowone knowwhere <kn0m0n3 at yahoo.co.uk
>> >wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Just wait until universal heathcare comes around
>>> how justified they will feel in destroying lives.
>>>
>>>          IF freedom exists, THEN I should be able to plant my own opium,
>>> my own iboga, my own herb,
>>>
>>> It is a matter of personal freedom and dignity.
>>>
>>>  plus you get great incentive to LEARN the science of making better
>>> personal supply (i.e. opium into M99 w/ some Revivon just in case)
>>>
>>>
>>> But the red tape factories
>>>
>>> and drug lords
>>>
>>> want the -->profits<--
>>>
>>> and as burroughs says
>>> "one thing is for certain is the tried and failed police approch continue
>>> and escalate".
>>> Jason
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On *Fri, 2/1/09, Warren Theriot <wleetheriot at ca.rr.com>* wrote:
>>>
>>> From: Warren Theriot <wleetheriot at ca.rr.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] In case Santa didn't
>>> To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>> Date: Friday, 2 January, 2009, 1:58 PM
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Preston, Happy New Year hopefully.
>>> Over 2 million people a year buy and use mushrooms in Amsterdam without
>>> fatal incidents. People still kill themselves from mis-use of alcohol and
>>> cigarettes.  Still, the continued world wide US instigated war on drugs
>>> continues to be a failure. 5000+ dead in Mexico and the US because of
>>> drug
>>> war violence in 2008. Mexican gang war turf invades Los Angeles like
>>> cancer.
>>> People accidently drive into the wrong neighborhoods and get shot and
>>> killed
>>> because of drug gangs.  The law and legislators are complicit in this
>>> criminal activity. War perpetuates war and the killings won't stop from
>>> harsher wars. Trillions of dollars wasted for nothing but more and more
>>> trouble.  Drug prohibition never saved any of my old dead high school
>>> friends lives nor created any decent respect for the law in my
>>> observations.
>>> Alcohol prohibition in the 1920's made the mold for the model that
>>> created
>>> the present world wide criminal enterprise in illegal drug trade and
>>> there
>>> is no new paradigm in sight except to end prohibition.
>>> Maybe they should ban money instead of mushrooms. More people kill
>>> themselves and jump off bridges and out of high-rise buildings because of
>>> money than magic mushrooms. Bans on mushrooms never really saved any
>>> lives
>>> no matter what kind of mushrooms. The only salvation is education and
>>> respect for self and others. I don't think harsh drug laws create
>>> respect,
>>> only resentment and opportunities to exploit for profit. As long as
>>> people
>>> live and breathe there will always be a demand for something to alter
>>> consciousness. Better to make the world a safer place in which to live by
>>> harm reduction programs instead of drug-prisons which are actually
>>> criminal
>>> universities. Better to legalize Ibogaine so the proper reseach can be
>>> completed so people who are having a problem with addictive drugs can get
>>> off of them or manage their pain more effectively. Pharmaceutical
>>> companies
>>> against Ibogaine are against the true well being of humanity.
>>> Self-serving
>>> profit-motivated BS.
>>> Peace,
>>> Warren
>>>
>>> On Jan 2, 2009, at 11:48 AM, Preston Peet wrote:
>>>
>>> The three titled under "related articles" are all active links at the
>>> immediately following URL, so be sure to visit those too, for even more
>>> on
>>> the "ban":
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.expatica.com/nl/news/local_news/Troubles-with-magic-mushroom-ban_47814.html
>>>
>>> Troubles with magic mushroom ban Amsterdam Mayor Job Cohen refuses to
>>> implement the measure due to difficulties. Related Articles Amsterdam
>>> will
>>> not enforce mushroom ban<
>>> http://www.expatica.com/nl/news/local_news/Amsterdam-will-not-enforce-mushroom-ban_47749.html>
>>> No
>>> more magic mushrooms for the Dutch<
>>> http://www.expatica.com/nl/lifestyle_leisure/lifestyle/No-more-magic-mushrooms-for-the-Dutch.html>
>>> Magic
>>> mushrooms ban upheld<
>>> http://www.expatica.com/nl/news/local_news/Magic-mushrooms-ban-upheld_47682.html>
>>> 4
>>> December 2008
>>>
>>> AMSTERDAM - Dutch ministers are divided over the ban on magic mushrooms
>>> which began Monday. Amsterdam Mayor Job Cohen is refusing to implement
>>> the
>>> measure in the capital because of the difficulties involved.
>>>
>>> One issue is the difficulty distinguishing between hallucinogenic
>>> varieties
>>> and ordinary edible mushrooms.
>>>
>>> Christian Democrat Health Minister Ab Klink says he is relying on the
>>> police to enforce the law.
>>>
>>> However, Interior Minister Guusje ter Horst, a member of the Labour
>>> Party,
>>> says she understands Mr Cohen's point of view.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
>>> *To:* The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, January 2, 2009 1:20:27 PM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Ibogaine] In case Santa didn't
>>>
>>> Thanks Marko;
>>>
>>> On the subject of mushrooms: I heard from a friend of mine in Amsterdam
>>> that mushrooms are now illegal! Sometimes I wonder which direction we are
>>> heading in. In most cases when there is a recession things turn a bit
>>> more
>>> conservative. Ass-biscuits!
>>>
>>> Si'
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* marko <marko at phantom.com>
>>> *To:* The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, 2 January, 2009 20:12:21
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Ibogaine] In case Santa didn't
>>>
>>> Dave Hunter, gammalyte at gmail.com
>>>
>>> Marko
>>>
>>> simon loxton wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Marko;
>>>
>>> Where are they available from?
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* marko <marko at phantom.com> <marko at phantom.com>
>>> *To:* The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com> <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, 2 January, 2009 14:59:30
>>> *Subject:* [Ibogaine] In case Santa didn't
>>>
>>> bring you everything you asked for ( Ibogaine, or at least those pretty
>>> red
>>> mushrooms with white spots), I think that DH still has a few of his
>>> awesome
>>> Ibogaine posters, but hurry with orders, there's not enough for everyone!
>>>
>>> Attached photos are merely bad reflections of originals...
>>>
>>> Enjoy 2009,
>>>
>>> Marko
>>>
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>> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 12:40:53 -0500
>> From: Nyc Labrets <digitalcomponents at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [Ibogaine] ROOTS - Dont Forget Where are We Came From.. on
>>        Flickr -        Photo Sharing!
>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
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>> They say a picture is worth a thousand words.
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/asmawiyusof/3146969601/in/pool-cotc
>>
>> I like this line out of the wiki:
>>
>> "Over time, given the right conditions, roots can crack foundations,
>> snap water lines, and lift sidewalks."
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Root#Root_growth
>>
>> Suckers.
>>
>> If they only knew a root's bark is worse than its bite.
>>
>> Nyc Labrets
>> http://DigitalComponents.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 18:07:37 +0000 (GMT)
>> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] In case Santa didn't
>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> Message-ID: <344063.33097.qm at web28602.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Cheers Preston I will check it out; I think its just so stupid and cant
>> see any justification for the ban. Its just going to become like every other
>> drug and go underground...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Preston Peet <prestonpeet at yahoo.com>
>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> Sent: Friday, 2 January, 2009 21:48:06
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] In case Santa didn't
>>
>>
>> The three titled under "related articles" are all active links at the
>> immediately following URL, so be sure to visit those too, for even more on
>> the "ban":
>>
>>
>> http://www.expatica.com/nl/news/local_news/Troubles-with-magic-mushroom-ban_47814.html
>>
>> Troubles with magic mushroom ban
>> Amsterdam Mayor Job Cohen refuses to implement the measure due to
>> difficulties.
>> Related Articles
>> Amsterdam will not enforce mushroom ban
>> No more magic mushrooms for the Dutch
>> Magic mushrooms ban upheld4 December 2008
>>
>> AMSTERDAM - Dutch ministers are divided over the ban on magic mushrooms
>> which began Monday. Amsterdam Mayor Job Cohen is refusing to implement the
>> measure in the capital because of the difficulties involved.
>>
>> One issue is the difficulty distinguishing between hallucinogenic
>> varieties and ordinary edible mushrooms.
>>
>> Christian Democrat Health Minister Ab Klink says he is relying on the
>> police to enforce the law.
>>
>> However, Interior Minister Guusje ter Horst, a member of the Labour Party,
>> says she understands Mr Cohen's point of view.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> Sent: Friday, January 2, 2009 1:20:27 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] In case Santa didn't
>>
>>
>> Thanks Marko;
>>
>> On the subject of mushrooms: I heard from a friend of mine in Amsterdam
>> that mushrooms are now illegal! Sometimes I wonder which direction we are
>> heading in. In most cases when there is a recession things turn a bit more
>> conservative. Ass-biscuits!
>>
>> Si'
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: marko <marko at phantom.com>
>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> Sent: Friday, 2 January, 2009 20:12:21
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] In case Santa didn't
>>
>> Dave Hunter, gammalyte at gmail.com
>>
>> Marko
>>
>> simon loxton wrote:
>> Hello Marko;
>>
>> Where are they available from?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: marko <marko at phantom.com>
>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> Sent: Friday, 2 January, 2009 14:59:30
>> Subject: [Ibogaine] In case Santa didn't
>>
>> bring you everything you asked for ( Ibogaine, or at least those pretty
>> red mushrooms with white spots), I think that DH still has a few of his
>> awesome Ibogaine posters, but hurry with orders, there's not enough for
>> everyone!
>>
>> Attached photos are merely bad reflections of originals...
>>
>> Enjoy 2009,
>>
>> Marko
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
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