[Ibogaine] Ibogaine Digest, Vol 13, Issue 4

Jeremy Spence jlspence at mac.com
Sat Jan 3 14:34:35 EST 2009


I believe in God, but man, these freak'en so called "born again"  
christians!!  Man they just take there view too far!!!! They take in  
to fucking everybody else!! just because of their fucking views!!!!
It makes my sick!!! They only one view of the world and nothing else!!  
and everybody else is wrong and going to hell!! I can't deal with  
those freak'en people, I just can't!!

It even hard for me to go to church because of them!!! They think they  
are soooo much better than everybody else!! and most of them are just  
as fucked up or if not MORE!!!


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> From: knowone knowwhere <kn0m0n3 at yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] In case Santa didn't
> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
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>
> ?
> ?
> Just wait until universal heathcare comes around
> how justified they will feel in destroying lives.
> ?
> ?????????? IF freedom exists, THEN I should be able to plant my own  
> opium, my own iboga, my own herb,?
> ?
> ?It is a matter of personal freedom and dignity.
> ?
> ? plus you get great incentive to?LEARN the science of making better  
> personal supply (i.e. opium into M99 w/ some Revivon just in case)
> ?
> ?
> But the red tape factories
> ?
> and drug lords
> ?
> ?want the -->profits<--
> ?
> and as burroughs says
> "one thing is for certain is the tried and failed police approch  
> continue and escalate".
>
> Jason
> ?
>
> --- On Fri, 2/1/09, Warren Theriot <wleetheriot at ca.rr.com> wrote:
>
> From: Warren Theriot <wleetheriot at ca.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] In case Santa didn't
> To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Date: Friday, 2 January, 2009, 1:58 PM
>
>
> Hi Preston,
> Happy New Year hopefully.
> Over 2 million people a year buy and use mushrooms in Amsterdam  
> without fatal incidents. People still kill themselves from mis-use  
> of alcohol and cigarettes. ?Still, the continued world wide US  
> instigated war on drugs continues to be a failure. 5000+ dead in  
> Mexico and the US because of drug war violence in 2008. Mexican gang  
> war turf invades Los Angeles like cancer. People accidently drive  
> into the wrong neighborhoods and get shot and killed because of drug  
> gangs. ?The law and legislators are complicit in this criminal  
> activity. War perpetuates war and the killings won't stop from  
> harsher wars. Trillions of dollars wasted for nothing but more and  
> more trouble. ?Drug prohibition never saved any of my old dead high  
> school friends lives nor created any decent respect for the law in  
> my observations. Alcohol prohibition in the 1920's made the mold for  
> the model that created the present world wide criminal enterprise in  
> illegal drug trade and there is no
> new paradigm in sight except to end prohibition.?
> Maybe they should ban money instead of mushrooms. More people kill  
> themselves and jump off bridges and out of high-rise buildings  
> because of money than magic mushrooms. Bans on mushrooms never  
> really saved any lives no matter what kind of mushrooms. The only  
> salvation is education and respect for self and others. I don't  
> think harsh drug laws create respect, only resentment and  
> opportunities to exploit for profit. As long as people live and  
> breathe there will always be a demand for something to alter  
> consciousness. Better to make the world a safer place in which to  
> live by harm reduction programs instead of drug-prisons which are  
> actually criminal universities. Better to legalize Ibogaine so the  
> proper reseach can be completed so people who are having a problem  
> with addictive drugs can get off of them or manage their pain more  
> effectively. Pharmaceutical companies against Ibogaine are against  
> the true well being of humanity. Self-serving profit-motivated
> BS.?
> Peace,
> Warren
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 2, 2009, at 11:48 AM, Preston Peet wrote: ?
>
>
>
> The three titled under "related articles" are all active links at  
> the immediately following URL, so be sure to visit those too, for  
> even more on the "ban":
> ?
> http://www.expatica.com/nl/news/local_news/Troubles-with-magic-mushroom-ban_47814.html
> ?
> Troubles with magic mushroom ban
>
> Amsterdam Mayor Job Cohen refuses to implement the measure due to  
> difficulties.
>
> Related Articles
>
> Amsterdam will not enforce mushroom ban
> No more magic mushrooms for the Dutch
> Magic mushrooms ban upheld
> 4 December 2008
>
> AMSTERDAM - Dutch ministers are divided over the ban on magic  
> mushrooms which began Monday. Amsterdam Mayor Job Cohen is refusing  
> to implement the measure in the capital because of the difficulties  
> involved.?
>
> One issue is the difficulty distinguishing between hallucinogenic  
> varieties and ordinary edible mushrooms.
>
> Christian Democrat Health Minister Ab Klink says he is relying on  
> the police to enforce the law.?
>
> However, Interior Minister Guusje ter Horst, a member of the Labour  
> Party, says she understands Mr Cohen's point of view.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From:?simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
> To:?The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Sent:?Friday, January 2, 2009 1:20:27 PM
> Subject:?Re: [Ibogaine] In case Santa didn't
>
>
>
> Thanks Marko;
>
> On the subject of mushrooms: I heard from a friend of mine in  
> Amsterdam that mushrooms are now illegal! Sometimes I wonder which  
> direction we are heading in. In most cases when there is a recession  
> things turn a bit more conservative. Ass-biscuits!
>
> Si'
>
>
>
>
>
> From:?marko <marko at phantom.com>
> To:?The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Sent:?Friday, 2 January, 2009 20:12:21
> Subject:?Re: [Ibogaine] In case Santa didn't
>
> Dave Hunter,?gammalyte at gmail.com
>
> Marko
>
> simon loxton wrote:
>
>
> Hello Marko;
>
> Where are they available from?
>
>
>
>
>
> From:?marko?<marko at phantom.com>
> To:?The Ibogaine List?<ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Sent:?Friday, 2 January, 2009 14:59:30
> Subject:?[Ibogaine] In case Santa didn't
>
> bring you everything you asked for ( Ibogaine, or at least those  
> pretty red mushrooms with white spots), I think that DH still has a  
> few of his awesome Ibogaine posters, but hurry with orders, there's  
> not enough for everyone!
>
> Attached photos are merely bad reflections of originals...
>
> Enjoy 2009,
>
> Marko
>
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> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 05:24:52 -0500
> From: "Scott Doran" <doranman2 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] In case Santa didn't
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> Maybe this is a dumb question, but how will universal health care have
> effect in destroying lives? I thought it was the lack of health care  
> that
> was the problem. Are they planning on drug testing everyone who  
> comes in for
> care or something?
>
> On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 7:34 PM, knowone knowwhere  
> <kn0m0n3 at yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Just wait until universal heathcare comes around
>> how justified they will feel in destroying lives.
>>
>>           IF freedom exists, THEN I should be able to plant my own  
>> opium,
>> my own iboga, my own herb,
>>
>> It is a matter of personal freedom and dignity.
>>
>>  plus you get great incentive to LEARN the science of making better
>> personal supply (i.e. opium into M99 w/ some Revivon just in case)
>>
>>
>> But the red tape factories
>>
>> and drug lords
>>
>> want the -->profits<--
>>
>> and as burroughs says
>> "one thing is for certain is the tried and failed police approch  
>> continue
>> and escalate".
>> Jason
>>
>>
>> --- On *Fri, 2/1/09, Warren Theriot <wleetheriot at ca.rr.com>* wrote:
>>
>> From: Warren Theriot <wleetheriot at ca.rr.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] In case Santa didn't
>> To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> Date: Friday, 2 January, 2009, 1:58 PM
>>
>>
>> Hi Preston, Happy New Year hopefully.
>> Over 2 million people a year buy and use mushrooms in Amsterdam  
>> without
>> fatal incidents. People still kill themselves from mis-use of  
>> alcohol and
>> cigarettes.  Still, the continued world wide US instigated war on  
>> drugs
>> continues to be a failure. 5000+ dead in Mexico and the US because  
>> of drug
>> war violence in 2008. Mexican gang war turf invades Los Angeles  
>> like cancer.
>> People accidently drive into the wrong neighborhoods and get shot  
>> and killed
>> because of drug gangs.  The law and legislators are complicit in this
>> criminal activity. War perpetuates war and the killings won't stop  
>> from
>> harsher wars. Trillions of dollars wasted for nothing but more and  
>> more
>> trouble.  Drug prohibition never saved any of my old dead high school
>> friends lives nor created any decent respect for the law in my  
>> observations.
>> Alcohol prohibition in the 1920's made the mold for the model that  
>> created
>> the present world wide criminal enterprise in illegal drug trade  
>> and there
>> is no new paradigm in sight except to end prohibition.
>> Maybe they should ban money instead of mushrooms. More people kill
>> themselves and jump off bridges and out of high-rise buildings  
>> because of
>> money than magic mushrooms. Bans on mushrooms never really saved  
>> any lives
>> no matter what kind of mushrooms. The only salvation is education and
>> respect for self and others. I don't think harsh drug laws create  
>> respect,
>> only resentment and opportunities to exploit for profit. As long as  
>> people
>> live and breathe there will always be a demand for something to alter
>> consciousness. Better to make the world a safer place in which to  
>> live by
>> harm reduction programs instead of drug-prisons which are actually  
>> criminal
>> universities. Better to legalize Ibogaine so the proper reseach can  
>> be
>> completed so people who are having a problem with addictive drugs  
>> can get
>> off of them or manage their pain more effectively. Pharmaceutical  
>> companies
>> against Ibogaine are against the true well being of humanity. Self- 
>> serving
>> profit-motivated BS.
>> Peace,
>> Warren
>>
>> On Jan 2, 2009, at 11:48 AM, Preston Peet wrote:
>>
>> The three titled under "related articles" are all active links at the
>> immediately following URL, so be sure to visit those too, for even  
>> more on
>> the "ban":
>>
>>
>> http://www.expatica.com/nl/news/local_news/Troubles-with-magic-mushroom-ban_47814.html
>>
>> Troubles with magic mushroom ban Amsterdam Mayor Job Cohen refuses to
>> implement the measure due to difficulties. Related Articles  
>> Amsterdam will
>> not enforce mushroom ban<http://www.expatica.com/nl/news/local_news/Amsterdam-will-not-enforce-mushroom-ban_47749.html 
>> > No
>> more magic mushrooms for the Dutch<http://www.expatica.com/nl/lifestyle_leisure/lifestyle/No-more-magic-mushrooms-for-the-Dutch.html 
>> > Magic
>> mushrooms ban upheld<http://www.expatica.com/nl/news/local_news/Magic-mushrooms-ban-upheld_47682.html 
>> > 4
>> December 2008
>>
>> AMSTERDAM - Dutch ministers are divided over the ban on magic  
>> mushrooms
>> which began Monday. Amsterdam Mayor Job Cohen is refusing to  
>> implement the
>> measure in the capital because of the difficulties involved.
>>
>> One issue is the difficulty distinguishing between hallucinogenic  
>> varieties
>> and ordinary edible mushrooms.
>>
>> Christian Democrat Health Minister Ab Klink says he is relying on the
>> police to enforce the law.
>>
>> However, Interior Minister Guusje ter Horst, a member of the Labour  
>> Party,
>> says she understands Mr Cohen's point of view.
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
>> *To:* The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> *Sent:* Friday, January 2, 2009 1:20:27 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Ibogaine] In case Santa didn't
>>
>> Thanks Marko;
>>
>> On the subject of mushrooms: I heard from a friend of mine in  
>> Amsterdam
>> that mushrooms are now illegal! Sometimes I wonder which direction  
>> we are
>> heading in. In most cases when there is a recession things turn a  
>> bit more
>> conservative. Ass-biscuits!
>>
>> Si'
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* marko <marko at phantom.com>
>> *To:* The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> *Sent:* Friday, 2 January, 2009 20:12:21
>> *Subject:* Re: [Ibogaine] In case Santa didn't
>>
>> Dave Hunter, gammalyte at gmail.com
>>
>> Marko
>>
>> simon loxton wrote:
>>
>> Hello Marko;
>>
>> Where are they available from?
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* marko <marko at phantom.com> <marko at phantom.com>
>> *To:* The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com> <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> *Sent:* Friday, 2 January, 2009 14:59:30
>> *Subject:* [Ibogaine] In case Santa didn't
>>
>> bring you everything you asked for ( Ibogaine, or at least those  
>> pretty red
>> mushrooms with white spots), I think that DH still has a few of his  
>> awesome
>> Ibogaine posters, but hurry with orders, there's not enough for  
>> everyone!
>>
>> Attached photos are merely bad reflections of originals...
>>
>> Enjoy 2009,
>>
>> Marko
>>
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> From: Nyc Labrets <digitalcomponents at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Ibogaine] ROOTS - Dont Forget Where are We Came From.. on
> 	Flickr -	Photo Sharing!
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> They say a picture is worth a thousand words.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/asmawiyusof/3146969601/in/pool-cotc
>
> I like this line out of the wiki:
>
> "Over time, given the right conditions, roots can crack foundations,
> snap water lines, and lift sidewalks."
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Root#Root_growth
>
> Suckers.
>
> If they only knew a root's bark is worse than its bite.
>
> Nyc Labrets
> http://DigitalComponents.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 18:07:37 +0000 (GMT)
> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] In case Santa didn't
> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Message-ID: <344063.33097.qm at web28602.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Cheers Preston I will check it out; I think its just so stupid and  
> cant see any justification for the ban. Its just going to become  
> like every other drug and go underground...
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Preston Peet <prestonpeet at yahoo.com>
> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Sent: Friday, 2 January, 2009 21:48:06
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] In case Santa didn't
>
>
> The three titled under "related articles" are all active links at  
> the immediately following URL, so be sure to visit those too, for  
> even more on the "ban":
>
> http://www.expatica.com/nl/news/local_news/Troubles-with-magic-mushroom-ban_47814.html
>
> Troubles with magic mushroom ban
> Amsterdam Mayor Job Cohen refuses to implement the measure due to  
> difficulties.
> Related Articles
> Amsterdam will not enforce mushroom ban
> No more magic mushrooms for the Dutch
> Magic mushrooms ban upheld4 December 2008
>
> AMSTERDAM - Dutch ministers are divided over the ban on magic  
> mushrooms which began Monday. Amsterdam Mayor Job Cohen is refusing  
> to implement the measure in the capital because of the difficulties  
> involved.
>
> One issue is the difficulty distinguishing between hallucinogenic  
> varieties and ordinary edible mushrooms.
>
> Christian Democrat Health Minister Ab Klink says he is relying on  
> the police to enforce the law.
>
> However, Interior Minister Guusje ter Horst, a member of the Labour  
> Party, says she understands Mr Cohen's point of view.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 2, 2009 1:20:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] In case Santa didn't
>
>
> Thanks Marko;
>
> On the subject of mushrooms: I heard from a friend of mine in  
> Amsterdam that mushrooms are now illegal! Sometimes I wonder which  
> direction we are heading in. In most cases when there is a recession  
> things turn a bit more conservative. Ass-biscuits!
>
> Si'
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: marko <marko at phantom.com>
> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Sent: Friday, 2 January, 2009 20:12:21
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] In case Santa didn't
>
> Dave Hunter, gammalyte at gmail.com
>
> Marko
>
> simon loxton wrote:
> Hello Marko;
>
> Where are they available from?
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: marko <marko at phantom.com>
> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Sent: Friday, 2 January, 2009 14:59:30
> Subject: [Ibogaine] In case Santa didn't
>
> bring you everything you asked for ( Ibogaine, or at least those  
> pretty red mushrooms with white spots), I think that DH still has a  
> few of his awesome Ibogaine posters, but hurry with orders, there's  
> not enough for everyone!
>
> Attached photos are merely bad reflections of originals...
>
> Enjoy 2009,
>
> Marko
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
>
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