[Ibogaine] In case Santa didn't

knowone knowwhere kn0m0n3 at yahoo.co.uk
Sat Jan 3 12:24:10 EST 2009

Hi Scott,
I love the idea of people getting care that they wouldn't normally get, although it comes at a price, and it is dangerous because of 'big brother' medicine, they will feel even more self righteous and pom pus because they have to pay for your medical bills if you're fat or smoke herb or whatever twisted thoughts go through so many twisted minds, and so little time.
I was just stating that if allowed, I wouldn't need a doctor as often, patients being proactive in their own health rocks, but some paths are illegal "our justice system sucks balls"

Now for a brief poem: 
  If I only had a fridge-rater to
  See which way to go
  Or cue an air conditioner to
  Guide me through the snow
  Or turn into a licence plate
  From deep down below
  Oor synchronise a billboard with a bump in the road
  Kindling without feeling same newest update of Monte Carlo
I wouldn't assume that your medical records are private
--- On Sat, 3/1/09, Scott Doran <doranman2 at gmail.com> wrote:
From: Scott Doran <doranman2 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] In case Santa didn't
To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Date: Saturday, 3 January, 2009, 2:24 AM
Maybe this is a dumb question, but how will universal health care have effect in destroying lives? I thought it was the lack of health care that was the problem. Are they planning on drug testing everyone who comes in for care or something?

On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 7:34 PM, knowone knowwhere <kn0m0n3 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Just wait until universal heathcare comes around 
how justified they will feel in destroying lives.
           IF freedom exists, THEN I should be able to plant my own opium, my own iboga, my own herb, 
 It is a matter of personal freedom and dignity.
  plus you get great incentive to LEARN the science of making better personal supply (i.e. opium into M99 w/ some Revivon just in case)
But the red tape factories 
and drug lords 
 want the -->profits<-- 
and as burroughs says
"one thing is for certain is the tried and failed police approch continue and escalate".


--- On Fri, 2/1/09, Warren Theriot <wleetheriot at ca.rr.com> wrote:

From: Warren Theriot <wleetheriot at ca.rr.com> 

Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] In case Santa didn't

To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Date: Friday, 2 January, 2009, 1:58 PM 

Hi Preston, 
Happy New Year hopefully.
Over 2 million people a year buy and use mushrooms in Amsterdam without fatal incidents. People still kill themselves from mis-use of alcohol and cigarettes.  Still, the continued world wide US instigated war on drugs continues to be a failure. 5000+ dead in Mexico and the US because of drug war violence in 2008. Mexican gang war turf invades Los Angeles like cancer. People accidently drive into the wrong neighborhoods and get shot and killed because of drug gangs.  The law and legislators are complicit in this criminal activity. War perpetuates war and the killings won't stop from harsher wars. Trillions of dollars wasted for nothing but more and more trouble.  Drug prohibition never saved any of my old dead high school friends lives nor created any decent respect for the law in my observations. Alcohol prohibition in the 1920's made the mold for the model that created the present world wide criminal enterprise in illegal drug trade and there is no
 new paradigm in sight except to end prohibition. 
Maybe they should ban money instead of mushrooms. More people kill themselves and jump off bridges and out of high-rise buildings because of money than magic mushrooms. Bans on mushrooms never really saved any lives no matter what kind of mushrooms. The only salvation is education and respect for self and others. I don't think harsh drug laws create respect, only resentment and opportunities to exploit for profit. As long as people live and breathe there will always be a demand for something to alter consciousness. Better to make the world a safer place in which to live by harm reduction programs instead of drug-prisons which are actually criminal universities. Better to legalize Ibogaine so the proper reseach can be completed so people who are having a problem with addictive drugs can get off of them or manage their pain more effectively. Pharmaceutical companies against Ibogaine are against the true well being of humanity. Self-serving profit-motivated

On Jan 2, 2009, at 11:48 AM, Preston Peet wrote:  

The three titled under "related articles" are all active links at the immediately following URL, so be sure to visit those too, for even more on the "ban":
Troubles with magic mushroom ban 

Amsterdam Mayor Job Cohen refuses to implement the measure due to difficulties.

Related Articles

Amsterdam will not enforce mushroom ban
No more magic mushrooms for the Dutch
Magic mushrooms ban upheld
4 December 2008

AMSTERDAM - Dutch ministers are divided over the ban on magic mushrooms which began Monday. Amsterdam Mayor Job Cohen is refusing to implement the measure in the capital because of the difficulties involved. 

One issue is the difficulty distinguishing between hallucinogenic varieties and ordinary edible mushrooms.

Christian Democrat Health Minister Ab Klink says he is relying on the police to enforce the law. 

However, Interior Minister Guusje ter Horst, a member of the Labour Party, says she understands Mr Cohen's point of view.

From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, January 2, 2009 1:20:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] In case Santa didn't

Thanks Marko;

On the subject of mushrooms: I heard from a friend of mine in Amsterdam that mushrooms are now illegal! Sometimes I wonder which direction we are heading in. In most cases when there is a recession things turn a bit more conservative. Ass-biscuits!


From: marko <marko at phantom.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, 2 January, 2009 20:12:21
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] In case Santa didn't

Dave Hunter, gammalyte at gmail.com


simon loxton wrote: 

Hello Marko;

Where are they available from?

From: marko <marko at phantom.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, 2 January, 2009 14:59:30
Subject: [Ibogaine] In case Santa didn't

bring you everything you asked for ( Ibogaine, or at least those pretty red mushrooms with white spots), I think that DH still has a few of his awesome Ibogaine posters, but hurry with orders, there's not enough for everyone!

Attached photos are merely bad reflections of originals...

Enjoy 2009,


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