[Ibogaine] Ibogaine Digest, Vol 7, Issue 84

Luke Christoffersen luke.christoffersen at gmail.com
Sun Mar 23 15:49:41 EDT 2008


Hi Valaire,
              That was my account. There used to a guy near Venice, Karl
Naeher, think he's in Germany now. I understand where you're coming from as
the wold does sometimes seem like a horrible place because of the way sick
people behave towards each other.

              My experience was painful but it was part of a healing
process. Unlike dreams what happened to me with ibogaine resulted  in
healing some of the inner reasons for my suffering. I felt more at peace
after as I had worked through a lot of anger that I had kept inside.

Luke

On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 8:49 PM, valerie <ouivalerie at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Did they have the ibogaine in the city of Venice, Italy?  I didn't know
> there was a place there. I would like to know where it is for my best friend
> needing ibogaine bad, and no relief in sight yet.
> This trip of Randy's sounds as bad as most of my dreams.  I do get good
> dreams from time to time, but they are mostly like that depressing AND I
> wake up unhappy, unfullfilled, disturbed.....  It doesn't always take
> ibogaine or LSD to get a trip, it happens to me once in a while anyway...and
> it's a lot of gloom, in the world, the world is full of problems and
> disappointed people, and people not treating each other right. Point blank,
> people could be doing better. They know not what they do.  I'm thinking, I
> can try and treat people better and act better and this helps...it's such a
> troubled would, I think it is hard to live because it's hard to find the
> way, among all the rottenness we don't think we should have to put up with.
> For example many people do bad things, and they don't think those things are
> bad, and if I tell them, they call me judgemental, or that's my opinion, and
> maybe people don't want to be what they can be, and want to be a famous
> movie star instead of a local street performer, and it's get's far worse on
> drugs.  They put my daughter on Prozac, etc., and she jumped off a cliff!
> Now she's unhappy because she broke her pelvis and busted out her jaw! She
> was a natural ventroliquist and hated the gift, ignored it and wanted to be
> a rapper and find Emminem, and be famous, going that hard long road, the
> remote possibility existed, just made it take so long to get there she
> couldn't wait...like a person dumped by a mate they love and they wait and
> eventually give it up and move on.
> I think it's easier to find the way, if you stay clean and straight, and
> use your instincts.  I tried a few times to take a few doses of Valium, and
> drove through stop signs.  When I was 16 I drank and drove and was stopped
> by the police, he let me go...that was before they made and DWI laws.  I
> made mistakes on those drugs and alcohol, there's bound to be my karma from
> this down the road, it was my choice and body and mistake.  No major
> tragedy, but still people didn't get treated very good when I was mistaken
> or blocking out signals or operating machinery intoxicated.....so my
> boyfriend has the strongest sensitivity one can imagine, and he's dead wrong
> on some things he thought was okay to do.  For example, he had a lot of
> partners in the past, and the price to pay with some of them not wanting to
> let him go was have to run away and be lost to have all that freedom of
> choice and go against religion, etc.  In the end the rules may be wrong but
> going against them can make too much problem for your loved ones. Fighting
> Christian Morals is like Fighting drug laws and is like fighting city hall.
> Secrets to do things anyway can be a problem too.  So while all seems really
> bad, it's not so bad, just CAN'T WORK for some reason. I don't have all the
> answers, and I need other people, and if all else fails my spirit guides
> help with signs, you know what they said about ibogaine they said "F*** OFF"
> and I was disappointed, but they were saying it for a reason, and I don't
> question them all the time, it's often just what's best in the moment.  I
> can be in a bad situation and there are never enough good moments to live
> for, and my whole life needs to go someplace else too.
> Love,
> ouivalerie
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> 5. Re: Ibo Experience (Randy Faulconer)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 23:46:51 +0000
> From: "Luke Christoffersen"
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo Experience
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> Hi Randy,
> You can use my account below :
>
>
> I was disappointed with my first ibogaine experience as I felt that my
> way to deeper childhood things i was interested in resolving were blocked
> and I spend a lot of time wandering through things from my adult life. An
> iron gate came down saying CLOSED which seemed to be the theme, I came to
> some big strong
> walls which I tried to harrass to find a way through but to no avail. I
> hindsight I did see my father but I avoided him.
>
> In my subsequent treatment I went through some very deep material
> that changed me deeply. It often began with me feeling very afraid as
> the transition to this different level of consciousness was a bit
> jarring. Time seemed to slow to a point where it didn't seem to move
> at all. Sometimes it felt like being connected to super consciousness
> or a much higher awareness.
>
> I would find myself journeying through strange landscapes meeting
> strange people, African people, some I could commune with and ask
> directions. at some point I would find myself traveling back to my
> childhood.
>
> Sometimes painful sad scenes would repeat themselves over and over.
> At times it felt like I was in a coma or a dream but aware, observing
> and feeling the scenes without any perception of time.
>
> Some of the earlier stuff was more symbolic. I saw my father and he
> died and became a skeleton. It seemed so real, the feeling of pain and
> loss.
>
> I remember meeting my childhood self and I asked him to come to me and
> he jumped into me and then many childhood scenes washed through me.
> Sometimes it was like watching the scenes from the outside, they were
> played out before me. I'd see the arguments with my parents maybe
> hundreds of scenes. I couldn't count them. There were many frightening
> and sad scenes from early childhood.
>
> There was a point after going through a long period of catharsis that
> I saw my wounds being bandaged over. That's the only way I can put
> it. I remember asking can that be done and I watched how the energy
> went around my body smoothing over some of the wounds that remained to
> be healed.
>
> Sometimes I would be taken away from childhood and shown different
> things about humanity. I was taken to a place where I was shown a
> place where people lived contently without violence or pointless
> conflict. They seemed to live simple lives but I watched how they
> interacted and lived. Then I was shown how they would die and their
> loved ones would look to the sky and wonder. It was sad. There was no
> answer for it.
>
> I was shown myself how I functioned as an animal. I was brought to
> deep despair and hopelessness. I looked into the blackness of death
> at one point. I decided not to go there but was still brought into
> much despair and hopelessness and heavy feelings. I felt that I
> wasn't loved and so I was of no use in loving anybody else. How could
> I be of any use to love someone if I was so deeply lacking and needy.
> I always seemed to need someone else to show me love before I could
> love them back. It was so all pervading that I thought I would remaind
> that way when the ibogaine wore off. How will I live I thought?
> Eventually thought it began to dissipate.
>
> I remember feeling emptied out afterwards and changed deeply I
> marveled at the change in my behaviour. There was a lot of anger
> released which was one of my goals for a particular treatment and it
> often seemed like I couldn't get angry even if I tried. I had began to
> spill over with anger previous to this and fell out with
> some friends and I woman I was trying to start a relationship with.
> I never got to rekindle that relationship and I began to see that I
> was projecting a lot of childhood stuff onto her and didn't know if I
> wanted that relationship anymore.
>
> On whole my experience lasted about 36 hours, though it felt like a
> lot longer, after which I found myself to have an enormous amount of
> energy for the next week about and would need much less sleep. AT one
> point I was terribly anxious and wanted to sleep but couldn't. I
> wanted to get on a plane home but my flight wasn't for a few days and
> I was alone in a hotel in another country for the following nights. I
> took an antidepressant which helped and I enjoyed the rest of my stay
> looking around the city of Venice.
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 2:05 PM, Randy Faulconer
> wrote:
>
> > Hey yalls, I just want to send out a message to those of you who
> > wouldn't mind sharing your Ibo experience with me and the list. As you
> know
> > Marko and I have been tossing around the idea of getting data and info
> about
> > Ibo together so as to make some kind of package of information to show
> > around to doc's, shrinks, lawyers, clinic heads, junkies, and whack jobs
> > like me. If ya's don't mind I'd like to read some experiences and see
> any
> > data that yall think would be good in this enterprise. It will be good
> for
> > shits and giggles anyway.
> >
> > Peace Love and Space Ship Rides
> > Randy
> >
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> Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 09:53:34 +0000
> From: "Jeff Black"
> Subject: [Ibogaine] World Psychedelic Forum
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> Fairly disappointing showing so far for ibogaine at the Basel event. I
> heard
> from another attendee that a MAPS follow up to study the long term
> effectiveness of ibogaine was incomplete and inconclusive. So far they
> have
> contacted 5 people of whom only one managed to stay clean. I'm not sure if
> this was Valerie's session or another of the MAPS sessions (they have a
> lot
> on the program). I was going to attend Valerie's session - to support the
> cause - but when I looked in there were only about 20 people - it looked
> kind of miserable, so I went to see Dennis McKenna instead. I have a
> feeling
> that Daniel Pinchbeck, love him or hate him, may do a better job
> evangelizing Iboga, judging from his 10 minute introduction this morning.
> I'm going to his full session later.
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> Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 11:15:17 +0000 (GMT)
> From: simon loxton
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] World Psychedelic Forum
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> I think this was one of the problems with Iboga Therapy House; as far as I
> know thew were trying to get the project started with Maps. The last I heard
> was they only had five out of the twenty needed for the study and now it
> seems like its down to four. I am very surprised at the way things are
> turning out; I was under the impression that the number of people going for
> ibogaine treatment had increased. I dont know if it is the same around the
> board but I am also finding it very difficult to get any kind of long term
> feedback from people that have been for treatment. I have gone with the
> theory of it being unethical to chase people up and that it should be
> voluntary; the contribution of information. Even if I do send an emal and
> get a favourable response that all is still well I never get sufficient
> feedback that would be worth contributing to any kind of study of long term
> efficacy of ibogaine treatment even though I think it is the secondary care
> that
> will make the difference here. Its just a pity is all because I thought
> that there was some great potential there; from ITH. I never think ibogaine
> will become a main stream form of treatment but I did think that there were
> enough people who had gone the conventional routs without success to prove a
> point that ibogaine is a valid form of therapy.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Jeff Black
> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> Sent: Saturday, 22 March, 2008 11:53:34 AM
> Subject: [Ibogaine] World Psychedelic Forum
>
> Fairly disappointing showing so far for ibogaine at the Basel event. I
> heard from another attendee that a MAPS follow up to study the long term
> effectiveness of ibogaine was incomplete and inconclusive. So far they have
> contacted 5 people of whom only one managed to stay clean. I'm not sure if
> this was Valerie's session or another of the MAPS sessions (they have a lot
> on the program). I was going to attend Valerie's session - to support the
> cause - but when I looked in there were only about 20 people - it looked
> kind of miserable, so I went to see Dennis McKenna instead. I have a feeling
> that Daniel Pinchbeck, love him or hate him, may do a better job
> evangelizing Iboga, judging from his 10 minute introduction this morning.
> I'm going to his full session later.
>
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> Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 08:48:24 -0400
> From: "Randy Faulconer"
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo Experience
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> Thanx very much Luke. I'm working this all out. It looks like
> this might be a pretty good project after all.
>
> Come on yall..........haven't heard from a bunch of you.
>
> Randy
>
> On 3/21/08, Luke Christoffersen wrote:
> > Hi Randy,
> > You can use my account below :
> >
> >
> > I was disappointed with my first ibogaine experience as I felt that my
> > way to deeper childhood things i was interested in resolving were
> blocked
> > and I spend a lot of time wandering through things from my adult life.
> An
> > iron gate came down saying CLOSED which seemed to be the theme, I came
> to
> > some big strong
> > walls which I tried to harrass to find a way through but to no avail. I
> > hindsight I did see my father but I avoided him.
> >
> > In my subsequent treatment I went through some very deep material
> > that changed me deeply. It often began with me feeling very afraid as
> > the transition to this different level of consciousness was a bit
> > jarring. Time seemed to slow to a point where it didn't seem to move
> > at all. Sometimes it felt like being connected to super consciousness
> > or a much higher awareness.
> >
> > I would find myself journeying through strange landscapes meeting
> > strange people, African people, some I could commune with and ask
> > directions. at some point I would find myself traveling back to my
> > childhood.
> >
> > Sometimes painful sad scenes would repeat themselves over and over.
> > At times it felt like I was in a coma or a dream but aware, observing
> > and feeling the scenes without any perception of time.
> >
> > Some of the earlier stuff was more symbolic. I saw my father and he
> > died and became a skeleton. It seemed so real, the feeling of pain and
> > loss.
> >
> > I remember meeting my childhood self and I asked him to come to me and
> > he jumped into me and then many childhood scenes washed through me.
> > Sometimes it was like watching the scenes from the outside, they were
> > played out before me. I'd see the arguments with my parents maybe
> > hundreds of scenes. I couldn't count them. There were many frightening
> > and sad scenes from early childhood.
> >
> > There was a point after going through a long period of catharsis that
> > I saw my wounds being bandaged over. That's the only way I can put
> > it. I remember asking can that be done and I watched how the energy
> > went around my body smoothing over some of the wounds that remained to
> > be healed.
> >
> > Sometimes I would be taken away from childhood and shown different
> > things about humanity. I was taken to a place where I was shown a
> > place where people lived contently without violence or pointless
> > conflict. They seemed to live simple lives but I watched how they
> > interacted and lived. Then I was shown how they would die and their
> > loved ones would look to the sky and wonder. It was sad. There was no
> > answer for it.
> >
> > I was shown myself how I functioned as an animal. I was brought to
> > deep despair and hopelessness. I looked into the blackness of death
> > at one point. I decided not to go there but was still brought into
> > much despair and hopelessness and heavy feelings. I felt that I
> > wasn't loved and so I was of no use in loving anybody else. How could
> > I be of any use to love someone if I was so deeply lacking and needy.
> > I always seemed to need someone else to show me love before I could
> > love them back. It was so all pervading that I thought I would remaind
> > that way when the ibogaine wore off. How will I live I thought?
> > Eventually thought it began to dissipate.
> >
> > I remember feeling emptied out afterwards and changed deeply I
> > marveled at the change in my behaviour. There was a lot of anger
> > released which was one of my goals for a particular treatment and it
> > often seemed like I couldn't get angry even if I tried. I had began to
> > spill over with anger previous to this and fell out with
> > some friends and I woman I was trying to start a relationship with.
> > I never got to rekindle that relationship and I began to see that I
> > was projecting a lot of childhood stuff onto her and didn't know if I
> > wanted that relationship anymore.
> >
> > On whole my experience lasted about 36 hours, though it felt like a
> > lot longer, after which I found myself to have an enormous amount of
> > energy for the next week about and would need much less sleep. AT one
> > point I was terribly anxious and wanted to sleep but couldn't. I
> > wanted to get on a plane home but my flight wasn't for a few days and
> > I was alone in a hotel in another country for the following nights. I
> > took an antidepressant which helped and I enjoyed the rest of my stay
> > looking around the city of Venice.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 2:05 PM, Randy Faulconer
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hey yalls, I just want to send out a message to those of you who
> > > wouldn't mind sharing your Ibo experience with me and the list. As you
> > know
> > > Marko and I have been tossing around the idea of getting data and info
> > about
> > > Ibo together so as to make some kind of package of information to show
> > > around to doc's, shrinks, lawyers, clinic heads, junkies, and whack
> jobs
> > > like me. If ya's don't mind I'd like to read some experiences and see
> any
> > > data that yall think would be good in this enterprise. It will be good
> for
> > > shits and giggles anyway.
> > >
> > > Peace Love and Space Ship Rides
> > > Randy
> > >
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