[Ibogaine] Ibogaine Digest, Vol 10, Issue 320

Howard Lotsof hslotsof at phantom.com
Sun Jun 29 21:08:22 EDT 2008


I am not saying yes or no but, how do you know or anticipate ibogaine  
will cause bladder pain?

Thanks for taking the time to respond.

Howard

On Jun 29, 2008, at 8:42 PM, Jeremy Spence wrote:

> What ever dude, I know Iboga has killed people, but they were taking
> other shit!!!  And other people has heart problem to begin  with!!  I
> can run 10 miles no problem!!!!
>
>
> I would not take a bunch of the stuff with first knowing how a small
> bit did with me first!!  I am not a dumb ass!!!
> Plus I not going to do anything just yet!!  I don't even have the
> money to buy the root bark, let alone to go to someone and be
> "safe"!!  I don't have 2000 dollar for the shit!!!! I just don't!!!
> People are making crazy amounts of money for this shit!!!  And I am
> not saying some of it, its not worth because I am sure it is, but I
> don't know about 2000 dollars worth???  Charging that to people who
> don't have shit anyways, I don't really know if that right??  But who
> am I to say????
>
> I just know if, I did do it, which I am not!! I would have to do it on
> my own, that's just how I would have to do it.  It's not going to
> happen for a long while anyways!!  I am not ready to come off the
> methadone for my pain!!!! I doubt I ever will!! I still at least a few
> years from coming off the methadone!!!
>
> I can't take sub, it will totally flare my bladder!!!  I can't take
> much right now, not, herbs, chemicals, hardly can eat much less take a
> bunch of different crap!!!
>
> I am on the methadone for pain and because its one of the only freak
> en drugs I can take, other wise I would not be on it, I be on
> something completely different!!!
>
> I was asking about Iboga just wondering, not that I was going to run
> right out and order some!!! You guys don't get what I am saying!!!
>
> And yes, I know about people have died, people have died on a lot of
> things!!!!!!   I get MSM by IV(for my IC), and people have died on
> that!!!!!!!
>   I believe most of the death were because the person took drugs they
> should not have with the iboga and the other one they just were in
> poor health!!!!  They probably would have died anyways!!!  A few
> deaths to how many people have taken the stuff, that's nothing!!!!!
> Its not like people are dying every day from the stuff!!!!  Oh, a few
> dealths!!  Big deal!!! People die from all kind of things!!! I have
> read its pretty safe!! OR people just would not do it!!!!!
>
> I know you got to be careful, I am sure, yes, you can't be a idiot
> with this stuff, yes I know
>
> Look, I not going to take any for a quite a while, I might never take
> it, I might be on methadone the rest of my life, because of my pain
> for my crazy bladder disease!!
>
> I have a pretty rare bladder disease that is not well known, other
> wise my heath is perfect!!!  What I have is not deadly, But it make
> you wish its was!!!!
>
> I only take the methadone because its one of the only drugs that does
> not bother my bladder!!!!  People just don't get it when i tell them
> that!!! Plus I did get addicted at one time to oxy's, I use to IV
> them(That was really stupid) But pain, was the reason I got on pain
> meds, its was not the other was around!! I just got so depressed, and
> started saying fuck it!!!  But, "fuck it" got me into a lot of
> trouble!!! I was running from the pain of my disease, but I found out,
> its can get worse!!!!!!! That's when i got on the methadone, and just
> luckly it works for my disease also, pretty crazy hun.  There not a
> lot I can take because my bladder is so messed up!! I have to watch
> everything, my diet, chemicals, you name it, i can't have it right
> now!!! Its pretty bad, I think i made it worse when i was doing all
> those drugs not caring!! But I was always in a lot of pain so I don't
> really know, but I am pretty sure I made my IC worse by doing all that
> shit!! I just did not know what to do, and the doctors sure didn't!!!!
> I wish I would done natural treatments before I ever started in on all
> the chemicals!!  Most of them made me a 1000 times worse!!!
> Now I am trying to heal it, but its very hard with all the damage I
> have!!!
>
> I would not even be able to handle the iboga right now any ways, it
> would flare the hell out of my bladder!!!(mean put me into  a shit
> load of pain for weeks, if not months!!!, more then likely)
>
> I was just asking if I ever did get my IC completely better and did
> not want to go through all that horrible withdraw!! That all!!!
> I got IC(a strange bladder disease) pretty damm bad, but I had it into
> remission a few times(with dieting, and all the other shit I do),
> that's the only reason I was asking about the Iboga, its just a if
> question!!!!
>
> But, i doubt I going to do any Iboga any time soon(meaning even in the
> next year) OK
> On Jun 29, 2008, at 9:58 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote:
>
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>> From: "Brad Hays" <bradleyheathhays at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Digest, Vol 10, Issue 313
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>> Two things Jeremy, and I have your best interest in mind here.  You
>> say you
>> know?  I've been here a while and learn more everyday.  I should say
>> that
>> you don't know.
>>
>> The second is go ahead and take the dose by yourself.  If you don't
>> see
>> what's being said to you here by people who have years of experience
>> with
>> this stuff then you just don't see it, but you certainly will after
>> whatever
>> uncontrolled experience your set on giving yourself.  Rarely
>> happens, but in
>> the wrong circumstances this stuff can kill people dude, although
>> it's never
>> happened from the ibo ingestion alone.  If you're confident you
>> understand
>> all the hidden places of your past and consciousness and repressed
>> memories
>> then give it a go.  But since you're still struggling with any  
>> kind of
>> addiction I suggest you don't.  You may end up being the poster
>> child for
>> how not to do ibo.  Which may actually end up helping the rest of us
>> in
>> developing protocols later.  If you understand the human mind at
>> this level
>> then I suggest you get into PhD research.  Be my guest to accept the
>> Darwin
>> award.  I'll be the conductor of ceremonies.  Come on down!.. that
>> is if
>> you're ever able to stand up afterwards.  I'm reminded of the song
>> 'Live and
>> let Die.'  My hands are washed
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 8:11 PM, Jeremy Spence <jlspence at mac.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Look you all, I not a child, I can take care of my self! I just ask,
>>> that all, its not like I am going to go right out and down a  
>>> bunch of
>>> the shit without doing a test dose at least!! I am not that  
>>> stupid!!!
>>>
>>> I don't have the money for a to go to some one, its not going to
>>> happen for me that way, Its not possible for me that way guys!!!!!
>>> I been on disabitly for nearly 6-7 years and can't work right now, I
>>> just asking it I ever got better, that all!!!
>>>
>>> Look guys, i do it my self anyways, I just wanted help that all, but
>>> since no body will help me here, i guess I just have to try it
>>> myself,
>>> trail and error just like i always do!!!  How much would a test dose
>>> be???  I am in good health other wise, no heart problems, liver
>>> problem, or major organ problems, I just have IC that all!  I not
>>> even
>>> going to do it un less I get completely better anyways!
>>>
>>> Look if you want to protect people, you need to tell people this
>>> info!! So if they did get some that might know what they are
>>> doing!!!!
>>> I have done many types of drugs before, and I know, yes iboga is
>>> different, ok, I know, but would you want people to have the info so
>>> that they might know what to do!! instead of not knowing shit, and
>>> then dong the trail and error thing????
>>>
>>> This board is worthless then if you will not share info
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 28, 2008, at 9:29 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote:
>>>
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>>>>  1. Re: how many grams would you need of Iboga to come off
>>>>     methadone? (Jeremy Spence)
>>>>  2. Re: Leo Finegold?Dana get a life (Adam Nodelman)
>>>>  3. Re: how many grams would you need of Iboga to come off
>>>>     methadone? (simon loxton)
>>>>  4. Planetary Harmonics and Neurobiological sesonances (simon
>>>> loxton)
>>>>  5. Re: how many grams would you need of Iboga to come off
>>>>     methadone? (Randy Faulconer)
>>>>  6. Re: Planetary Harmonics and Neurobiological sesonances
>>>>     (Jan Ludewig)
>>>>  7. Re: how many grams would you need of Iboga to come off
>>>>     methadone? (simon loxton)
>>>>  8. remove (DIANA MUIR)
>>>>  9. Re: how many grams would you need of Iboga to come off
>>>>     methadone? (Randy Faulconer)
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>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 04:39:49 -0500
>>>> From: Jeremy Spence <jlspence at mac.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to
>>>> come
>>>>      off     methadone?
>>>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
>>>> Message-ID: <B68766A9-599F-450F-9551-86F522D0E1F1 at mac.com>
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>>>>
>>>> Yes, I ask this, but no body ever answer me???  I mean  
>>>> roughly??  On
>>>> 80mg of methadone??
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And can anybody out there tell me, what's the difference between  
>>>> the
>>>> extract and whole root iboga, and root bark, how how of  
>>>> difference??
>>>> How big??  Like what would a 100 grams of whole roots iboga  
>>>> compared
>>>> too???? Roughly???  Keep in mind, I know there is some variation in
>>>> Ibogaine content being it's a natural compound. I just want to  
>>>> know,
>>>> roughly??
>>>>
>>>> How many grams would I need in say, each??  Like how many grams
>>>> would
>>>> I need in whole iboga compared how many grams I would need in Iboga
>>>> root bark?????
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Can anybody out there help with this question? I ask before, but
>>>> never
>>>> got a good answer.  Keep in mind this all hypothetical.
>>>> On Jun 28, 2008, at 3:33 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote:
>>>>
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>>>> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 02:42:00 -0700 (PDT)
>>>> From: Adam Nodelman <jonathanswiftboat at yahoo.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold?Dana get a life
>>>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
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>>>> That might be the whole point:The plant helps the people towards
>>>> self discovery, the addict treats himself in the end.No one that I
>>>> know ever claimed to be a guru. Looking for one Nick?   As for
>>>> underlining issues, well...I'm sure we all strive to reach your
>>>> perfectly balanced higher plane but alas, were just not all there.
>>>> Adam
>>>>
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>>>> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 09:51:04 +0000 (GMT)
>>>> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to
>>>> come
>>>>      off     methadone?
>>>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>>> Message-ID: <976636.56653.qm at web28610.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
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>>>>
>>>> The root contains little ibogaine at all and is used mainly as a
>>>> laxative among other things. The root bark if prepared and matured
>>>> correctly can have up to 6% ibogaine at the most. The batch I  
>>>> tested
>>>> had 5% but most are around 2% if bought commercially. The  
>>>> extract is
>>>> not really available except through Sarah as far as I know.
>>>> With the whole root you would be wasting your time as far as detox
>>>> from Methadone.
>>>> I hope this helps and is what you are asking for.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>> From: Jeremy Spence <jlspence at mac.com>
>>>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
>>>> Sent: Saturday, 28 June, 2008 11:39:49 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to
>>>> come off methadone?
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I ask this, but no body ever answer me???  I mean  
>>>> roughly??  On
>>>> 80mg of methadone??
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And can anybody out there tell me, what's the difference between  
>>>> the
>>>> extract and whole root iboga, and root bark, how how of  
>>>> difference??
>>>> How big??  Like what would a 100 grams of whole roots iboga  
>>>> compared
>>>> too???? Roughly???  Keep in mind, I know there is some variation in
>>>> Ibogaine content being it's a natural compound. I just want to  
>>>> know,
>>>> roughly??
>>>>
>>>> How many grams would I need in say, each??  Like how many grams
>>>> would I need in whole iboga compared how many grams I would need in
>>>> Iboga root bark?????
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Can anybody out there help with this question? I ask before, but
>>>> never got a good answer.  Keep in mind this all hypothetical.
>>>> On Jun 28, 2008, at 3:33 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 13:06:12 +0000 (GMT)
>>>> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
>>>> Subject: [Ibogaine] Planetary Harmonics and Neurobiological
>>>> sesonances
>>>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
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>>>> http://www.lunarplanner.com/Harmonics/planetary-harmonics.html
>>>>
>>>> I found some interesting tables for people who work with sound or
>>>> light in any way.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 09:12:29 -0400
>>>> From: "Randy Faulconer" <bicuitboy714 at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to
>>>> come
>>>>      off     methadone?
>>>> To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>      <29d165a30806280612u399dda1h4fc9ad7676521156 at mail.gmail.com>
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>>>>              I'm gonna guess here Si and say that I think that what
>>>> Jeremy
>>>> wants is specific amounts of each for a hypothetical methadone
>>>> treatment
>>>> where the person is on 80 mgs of methadone. Maybe to see how  
>>>> much it
>>>> would
>>>> cost for each. Like I say, I'm guessing here. I'll try and  
>>>> figure it
>>>> out for
>>>> you J, but give me a little while and please remember this is just
>>>> hypothetical OK?
>>>>
>>>>              I'll probably be drummed outta the "Corps for this He
>>>> He
>>>>
>>>>               Peace Love and Finance
>>>>                   Randy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 5:51 AM, simon loxton
>>>> <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The root contains little ibogaine at all and is used mainly as a
>>>>> laxative
>>>>> among other things. The root bark if prepared and matured  
>>>>> correctly
>>>>> can have
>>>>> up to 6% ibogaine at the most. The batch I tested had 5% but most
>>>>> are around
>>>>> 2% if bought commercially. The extract is not really available
>>>>> except
>>>>> through Sarah as far as I know.
>>>>> With the whole root you would be wasting your time as far as detox
>>>>> from
>>>>> Methadone.
>>>>> I hope this helps and is what you are asking for.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>>> From: Jeremy Spence <jlspence at mac.com>
>>>>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, 28 June, 2008 11:39:49 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to
>>>>> come off
>>>>> methadone?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, I ask this, but no body ever answer me???  I mean roughly??
>>>>> On 80mg
>>>>> of methadone??
>>>>>
>>>>> And can anybody out there tell me, what's the difference between
>>>>> the
>>>>> extract and whole root iboga, and root bark, how how of
>>>>> difference?? How
>>>>> big??  Like what would a 100 grams of whole roots iboga compared
>>>>> too????
>>>>> Roughly???  Keep in mind, I know there is some variation in
>>>>> Ibogaine content being it's a natural compound. I just want to
>>>>> know,
>>>>> roughly??
>>>>>
>>>>> How many grams would I need in say, each??  Like how many grams
>>>>> would I
>>>>> need in whole iboga compared how many grams I would need in Iboga
>>>>> root
>>>>> bark?????
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Can anybody out there help with this question? I ask before, but
>>>>> never got
>>>>> a good answer.  Keep in mind this all hypothetical.
>>>>> On Jun 28, 2008, at 3:33 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>> Message: 6
>>>> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 14:20:12 +0100
>>>> From: Jan Ludewig <jl at drug-policy.eu>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Planetary Harmonics and Neurobiological
>>>>      sesonances
>>>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>>> Cc: cousto at eve-rave.net
>>>> Message-ID: <48663A8C.30905 at drug-policy.eu>
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>>>> simon loxton wrote:
>>>>> http://www.lunarplanner.com/Harmonics/planetary-harmonics.html
>>>>>
>>>>> I found some interesting tables for people who work with sound or
>>>>> light in any way.
>>>> Hans Cousto (Eve & Rave) did some research on that:
>>>> http://www.planetware.de/octave/
>>>> I assume/am sure he is open to questions: *cousto at eve-rave.net
>>>>
>>>> jl
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> Message: 7
>>>> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 13:26:58 +0000 (GMT)
>>>> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to
>>>> come
>>>>      off     methadone?
>>>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>>> Message-ID: <481818.49802.qm at web28607.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>>
>>>> Oh! I get you man; well thats an entirely different story because
>>>> there is no set law. There are many different protocols and dosages
>>>> which is difficult for me to put on an open forum because people  
>>>> who
>>>> are desperate can think of trying short cuts; as seems to possibly
>>>> be the case here. I guess all that has to be stressed besides the
>>>> different options is that this is a matter best discusses with your
>>>> potential provider. Start with a provider and then discuss what the
>>>> best way forward would be for some one in "your" position.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry about that. Thanks Randy!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>> From: Randy Faulconer <bicuitboy714 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, 28 June, 2008 3:12:29 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to
>>>> come off methadone?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>              I'm gonna guess here Si and say that I think that what
>>>> Jeremy wants is specific amounts of each for a hypothetical
>>>> methadone treatment where the person is on 80 mgs of methadone.
>>>> Maybe to see how much it would cost for each. Like I say, I'm
>>>> guessing here. I'll try and figure it out for you J, but give me a
>>>> little while and please remember this is just hypothetical OK?
>>>>
>>>>              I'll probably be drummed outta the "Corps for this He
>>>> He
>>>>
>>>>               Peace Love and Finance
>>>>                   Randy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 5:51 AM, simon loxton
>>>> <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The root contains little ibogaine at all and is used mainly as a
>>>> laxative among other things. The root bark if prepared and matured
>>>> correctly can have up to 6% ibogaine at the most. The batch I  
>>>> tested
>>>> had 5% but most are around 2% if bought commercially. The  
>>>> extract is
>>>> not really available except through Sarah as far as I know.
>>>> With the whole root you would be wasting your time as far as detox
>>>> from Methadone.
>>>> I hope this helps and is what you are asking for.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>> From: Jeremy Spence <jlspence at mac.com>
>>>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
>>>> Sent: Saturday, 28 June, 2008 11:39:49 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to
>>>> come off methadone?
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I ask this, but no body ever answer me???  I mean  
>>>> roughly??  On
>>>> 80mg of methadone??
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And can anybody out there tell me, what's the difference between  
>>>> the
>>>> extract and whole root iboga, and root bark, how how of  
>>>> difference??
>>>> How big??  Like what would a 100 grams of whole roots iboga  
>>>> compared
>>>> too???? Roughly???  Keep in mind, I know there is some variation in
>>>> Ibogaine content being it's a natural compound. I just want to  
>>>> know,
>>>> roughly??
>>>>
>>>> How many grams would I need in say, each??  Like how many grams
>>>> would I need in whole iboga compared how many grams I would need in
>>>> Iboga root bark?????
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Can anybody out there help with this question? I ask before, but
>>>> never got a good answer.  Keep in mind this all hypothetical.
>>>> On Jun 28, 2008, at 3:33 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Message: 8
>>>> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 10:24:51 -0400
>>>> From: "DIANA MUIR" <pyrospent at verizon.net>
>>>> Subject: [Ibogaine] remove
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>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Jeremy Spence
>>>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 5:39 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to
>>>> come offmethadone?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I ask this, but no body ever answer me???  I mean roughly??
>>>> On 80mg of methadone??
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And can anybody out there tell me, what's the difference between
>>>> the extract and whole root iboga, and root bark, how how of
>>>> difference?? How big??  Like what would a 100 grams of whole roots
>>>> iboga compared too???? Roughly???  Keep in mind, I know there is
>>>> some variation in Ibogaine content being it's a natural compound. I
>>>> just want to know, roughly??
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> How many grams would I need in say, each??  Like how many grams
>>>> would I need in whole iboga compared how many grams I would need in
>>>> Iboga root bark?????
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Can anybody out there help with this question? I ask before, but
>>>> never got a good answer.  Keep in mind this all hypothetical.
>>>> On Jun 28, 2008, at 3:33 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote:
>>>>
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>>>> Message: 9
>>>> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 10:28:59 -0400
>>>> From: "Randy Faulconer" <bicuitboy714 at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to
>>>> come
>>>>      off     methadone?
>>>> To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>>> Message-ID:
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>>>>         Absolutely Si!! Agree with Simon here too. Doing  
>>>> Ibogaine by
>>>> yourself is very, very, dangerous. There needs to be somebody with
>>>> EXPERIENCE around when a treatment is going on. Lots of weird kind
>>>> of shit
>>>> can occur, and an experienced guide will be able to handle that
>>>> without
>>>> freaking out. Trust me on this yall.
>>>>
>>>>       I feel kind of weird about giving out the instuctions on how
>>>> to dose
>>>> it like that my man. This is on second thought you understand,
>>>> COOL?? I
>>>> asked the same questions when I was first looking into Ibo.
>>>>
>>>>         Get a provider dude, OK? I don't want anything bad to  
>>>> happen
>>>> during a treatment for a lot of reasons.
>>>>
>>>>         Peace Love and Safety
>>>>               Randy
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 9:26 AM, simon loxton
>>>> <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Oh! I get you man; well thats an entirely different story because
>>>>> there
>>>>> is no set law. There are many different protocols and dosages  
>>>>> which
>>>>> is
>>>>> difficult for me to put on an open forum because people who are
>>>>> desperate
>>>>> can think of trying short cuts; as seems to possibly be the case
>>>>> here. I
>>>>> guess all that has to be stressed besides the different options is
>>>>> that this
>>>>> is a matter best discusses with your potential provider. Start
>>>>> with a
>>>>> provider and then discuss what the best way forward would be for
>>>>> some one in
>>>>> "your" position.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry about that. Thanks Randy!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>>> From: Randy Faulconer <bicuitboy714 at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, 28 June, 2008 3:12:29 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to
>>>>> come off
>>>>> methadone?
>>>>>
>>>>>              I'm gonna guess here Si and say that I think that  
>>>>> what
>>>>> Jeremy wants is specific amounts of each for a hypothetical
>>>>> methadone
>>>>> treatment where the person is on 80 mgs of methadone. Maybe to see
>>>>> how much
>>>>> it would cost for each. Like I say, I'm guessing here. I'll try  
>>>>> and
>>>>> figure
>>>>> it out for you J, but give me a little while and please remember
>>>>> this is
>>>>> just hypothetical OK?
>>>>>
>>>>>              I'll probably be drummed outta the "Corps for this He
>>>>> He
>>>>>
>>>>>               Peace Love and Finance
>>>>>                   Randy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 5:51 AM, simon loxton  
>>>>> <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk
>>>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The root contains little ibogaine at all and is used mainly as a
>>>>>> laxative among other things. The root bark if prepared and  
>>>>>> matured
>>>>>> correctly
>>>>>> can have up to 6% ibogaine at the most. The batch I tested had 5%
>>>>>> but most
>>>>>> are around 2% if bought commercially. The extract is not really
>>>>>> available
>>>>>> except through Sarah as far as I know.
>>>>>> With the whole root you would be wasting your time as far as  
>>>>>> detox
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> Methadone.
>>>>>> I hope this helps and is what you are asking for.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>>>> From: Jeremy Spence <jlspence at mac.com>
>>>>>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, 28 June, 2008 11:39:49 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to
>>>>>> come off
>>>>>> methadone?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, I ask this, but no body ever answer me???  I mean roughly??
>>>>>> On 80mg
>>>>>> of methadone??
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And can anybody out there tell me, what's the difference between
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> extract and whole root iboga, and root bark, how how of
>>>>>> difference?? How
>>>>>> big??  Like what would a 100 grams of whole roots iboga compared
>>>>>> too????
>>>>>> Roughly???  Keep in mind, I know there is some variation in
>>>>>> Ibogaine content being it's a natural compound. I just want to
>>>>>> know,
>>>>>> roughly??
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How many grams would I need in say, each??  Like how many grams
>>>>>> would I
>>>>>> need in whole iboga compared how many grams I would need in Iboga
>>>>>> root
>>>>>> bark?????
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can anybody out there help with this question? I ask before, but
>>>>>> never got
>>>>>> a good answer.  Keep in mind this all hypothetical.
>>>>>> On Jun 28, 2008, at 3:33 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote:
>>>>>>
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