[Ibogaine] Booster Dose Protocol !

simon loxton simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk
Tue Jul 22 14:33:08 EDT 2008

Ps the idea is to administer a booster in association with other therapy. Its not addictive or I think can be seen as a substitute for dealing with issues but more the opposite with what I have observed. Again I will get back to you.

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From: Kevin Walker <kevin at ibogaineafricanrenaissance.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, 22 July, 2008 6:51:08 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Booster Dose Protocol !

While booster doses have worked for us in the past as well, I would think 
that one must also be careful when considering including this type of 
regime into the protocol as we could be looking for long term problems 
with regard to a person becoming dependant on it and really not working 
that hard on other areas of his recovery if in the back of his / her mind there 
is a back stop - that being the booster.
Remember that at the moment Ibogaine / Iboga is really seen as this awful 
tasting substance that someone cant really become accustom too and only ingests 
once or twice maybe to eradicate the withdrawal and cravings 
associated to the drug / drugs of choice.Also if one was to follow this 
protocol for how long would you need to continue it for and at what cost to 
the patient?
Would it not be more worthwhile, rather to increase the dose per / 
Kg body weight, and split the dosage up over an extended 
period  i.e. lets just say we have a patient that would be ingesting 
8 capsules, one test dose balance being flood dose, but this dosage gets 
split up into say fourteen capsules and administered to the patient over a 
period of say 14 hours as apposed to the norm of the flood dose / or dosage 
split up into fewer hours.
Although the "tripping effect" seems to be slightly less the long term 
effect seems to be better, in that those cravings and potential withdraws 
have been displaced for an extended period of time - allowing better long term 
healing! Hence no booster dose needed. 
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: simon  loxton 
To: The Ibogaine List 
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 5:36 
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: The Evolution  of Addiction Treatment

I have included boosters into my program; so to speak.
Its an attempt  to set some incentive to gather long term information and also to avoid  relapse when the signs start appearing. 

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From: Matthew Zielinski <masterhermesbathory at gmail.com>
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Sent:  Tuesday, 22 July, 2008 1:12:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: The Evolution  of Addiction Treatment

Hey Si
Yes exactly some kind of a long term maintainace with small regual  boosters would be very beneficial.  Why not incorporate it into the  protocol?  since the abstianance rate is so low with the one dose why not  begein to change it eh?  I understand its not evreyones cup of tea but  then how badly do you want change.  I m sick and tired of the way iboga  tastes and the whole ritual to take just one t'spoon is a long and disgusting  one but i know what it does so i do it even though deep down i hate taking  it  ;-))
Take care

On 7/21/08, simon  loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>  wrote: 
Hey Matt;

Thats a very important point you have  made.

Personally I struggle getting long term feedback from patients.  There is a lot of information before; during and just after the experience  but not nearly as much six months to a year later. I try to stress the  importance of just keeping in contact so that when whatever the usual  triggers start presenting themselves they can be dealt with; easily if  caught in time.

The other problem I have experienced with people who  dont stay in touch and continue with some form of after care; is that they  only respond when things are too late or there has already been a lapse. In  these situations if they continue to go it alone its common to think the  ibogaine has not worked (But thats a whole topic on its own)

So I  would stress the importance of keeping in touch. Obviously it would be  easier to have a six month program or some thing like that but thats not  everyones cup of tea or even do'able in most cases.

Keep well  Matt.



----- Original Message ----
From: Matthew Zielinski <masterhermesbathory at gmail.com>
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Sent: Monday, 21 July, 2008 12:17:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]  Fw: The Evolution of Addiction Treatment

I think its only natural that people who had a positive, enlightening  first ibogaine experience praise it as a life saving  gift.   Sudenly they are overwhelmed  with happines and joy without resorting to using anything to get there so  that is a big deal.
That is just a fact.  And it is an amazing  fact!  
If and when they relapse they do it on their  own accord. They have a choice to use or not to use.  That doesnt  diminish the fact that ibogaine helped them tremendously in those first  weeks.  
I think the whole ibogaine program should be  revised a bit.  I think more emphasis should be placed on boosters and  not solely on the first flood dose.  Only looking at my self here but  without the booster doses I think I might have slipped again.  Now  with  regualar boosters(even though I only had 2) I have better  control over my behaviour and the way I react to  trigers/cravings/situations.  
Ibogaine is an amazing tool to detox  with since it elimenates most of the wd's  but as far as  abstianance rate its not that affective.  Booster doses should be  implemented as a part of the ibogaine program.  Regular boosters should  be advocated as the means to help acheaive that sobriety.  Since I'm  only speaking from personal experience and only a short time of sobriety its  hard to establish if thats true but speaking with few people from the list  it does seem to be the case.  
Happy Sunday!
On 7/20/08, DC in  AZ <dcollier9 at cox.net>  wrote:
depends on what label you apply to yourself  by your actions, a "party person" having a good time after work is  done, and keeping a responsible life situation
where you pay your bills, and you care about  others is one case...
or one can label themself an "addict" where  your fun is now causing you to not be responsible, and you dont care about  anyone, even yourself,
and so on.
the drug being used properly or abused  - is only a small part of the personality defects, or virtues being  addressed (or ignored).
but just so fun-loving people know that they  may use drugs without being "an addiction" problem person with deep  issues. that is not addressed by NA,
or so I have heard.
"Love  converts hearts, and gives  peace."
-----  Original Message ----- 
From: Matt  Shriver 
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Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: The Evolution of Addiction Treatment

 I had similar reactions to Douglas.  I had  thought about responding to this before but never got around to  it.  I think the author over-stresses the "miracle cure" angle to  ibogaine which I don't think is entirely helpful.  I will be the  first to admit that there is more than just a grain of truth to that  perspective but it is not the whole story.  From what I have seen  on this list and in myself, those who get the amazing, ecstatic,  miraculously delivered from the throes of addiction experience, those  are the ones most likely to write something like this, but if they do  not follow it up with any additional effort, then more often then not  they wind up using again.  And that pattern is I think not helpful  for ibogaine.  The grain of truth is in the fact that people  actually do have these experiences, I have myself.  But the whole  truth is that if nothing else changes, then in the long run, nothing at  all changes and they wind up right back
 where they started.

NA is  one way that many people find freedom from drug addiction but it is not  the only way. I think that people who are overly judgmental of it are  really dealing with their own internal issues that they are projecting  onto NA.  I will be the last to claim that NA is without it's  problems.  But it's more or less like say for instance the Church  of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, the Mormons.  How many people  go around with a resentment against the Mormons, probably not a  lot.  But just as with NA the tendency is to view the whole  organization based on the interactions you have with any of it's  members.  And these people will ring your doorbell and interrupt  whatever it is you are doing to try and sell you literature about a  religion you are probably not even interested in.  Some of them are  pushy.  Some of them are totally cool.  In my experience they  are all very polite (other than sometimes being overly persistent or  just generally
 bothersome like when different ones come by 3 days apart,  c'mon I already told the last guys I wasn't interested).  But my  point is that if you go away from these interactions with a resentment  about the the Mormons in general than that is really about you, not the  Mormons.  And it seems like there are a lot of addicts running  around with 12-step resentment.  If it's not for you then cool,  don't go.  But if you go around dissing on it you may well be  denying someone else access to the very method that would work best for  them to gain freedom from drug addiction.  Hundreds of thousands  have found help in NA and if you include AA then you can change that  number to millions.

But just to get back to Douglas' point,  addiction doesn't happen in a vacuum.  There are associated  behaviors, thought patterns, habits, and tendencies that all support  continuing in that lifestyle.  These things must be dealt with and  these things are usually already present prior to drug addiction so  simply returning to the pre-drug taking life is not exactly  realistic.  If all you remove is the physical and psychological  addiction to a specific substance you have essentially only treated the  manifestations of the issue, not the actual issue itself.  However  you want to talk about addiction and in whatever terms, most people  would agree that it is more than simply the repeated use of a  substance.  That is the most obvious outward manifestation but many  personality traits and behaviors seemingly unrelated to the drug use are  also shared among addicts to say nothing of people who manifest  addictive behaviors around activities like gambling
 that have nothing at  all to do with consuming mind altering substances.  Whatever it is  that leads people into a situation where they become dependent on the  repeated use of a drug, simply removing the drug from the over-all  picture does not actually impact on that  thing.


Douglas Fraser wrote: 
hrm....  I had a khat plant while I was living in Vancouver.  Never really 
used it b/c it was of the weak variety, but it's a nice plant....   and of 
course, I was not refining the chemical to excess a la coca and cocaine.... 

   but speed freaks are .. freaks and that sort of applies to our 
overcaffeinated Western culture.   And of course, it's always easier to 
blame the chemicals than one's life and how one's living it and not 

acknowledging one's problems

To be honest, what bugs me about this story is that the author does not 
ever seem to acknowledge the chemicals were just tools for him to escape 
his issues - it's like he never had any issues and then one day, poof! 

he's an addict.   maybe it's just my projections... and the way he writes. 
    Then he imparts such power to ibogaine.. or seems to.  This is a subtle 
point, but it's a crucial one.  Ibogaine can be
 to have 
something of a "cult" surrounding it, much like ayahuasca does, and if we 
(society) can deal with those projections in an honest manner, then we 
won't be faced with the trouble that acid and MDMA had to deal with (the 

hysteria, the bans, etc).     then again, I'm an idealist....


Kevin Walker wrote:

To The List.

A patient forward this attachment and asked me please to publish it on 
Mindvox for him!

THE EVOLUTION OF ADDICTION TREATMENT- By Bareman                   12 

July 2008


"Try some of this." smiled Dean, handing my wife and I a small piece of 
paper with some white powder in the centre.

"It's called cut or cat and is a chemical version of the plant ,cut, 

used to enhance energy and concentration,much like a herbal version of 

15 minutes later we were
 driving to our magnificent , fully paid for 
house, with our music studio, one of the finest and most magical in the 

We were feeling motivated, on top of the world,energetic beyond belief 

and excited about the prospects of life.

That powder sure had a kick to it, a kick that we would later 
directed toward my manhood.


Half an hour after arriving home and working passionately on a new song, 

we felt the need for a little more of the magic powder.

"Hey Dean, got any more cat?"

"Sure, I make the stuff,but it's rather expensive to produce so I sell 
it to my friends at 150 a gram."

"I"m coming back,give me 2."

I walked upstairs to our safe where we had about 100 00 rand in cash, 
and took a mere 300 for Dean.

See, I figured for 300 rand we were so prolific and energetic that we

could do 2 days work in one, so why not?

We had tried Ritalin before and cat was like it's big brother in so far 
as focus and energy was concerned.

Dean told me it was based on a naturally occurring herb, so what was the 



We finished
 working in the early hours of the morning, sustaining our 
energies by topping up with another line every half hour or so,and let's 
just say making love was explosive to say the least. Bonus.

Now as for our sleep life, the birds were chirping,the sun was rising 
and we had no intentions of entertaining the notion of alpha/beta states 
as we had to get our daughter ready for school.

Lucky we still had some left which we hastily finished. Fantastic, it 
felt like we had just had a good ten hours of slumber and were ready for 
another exciting day.


 taking C to school, I popped into Dean's place with some more cash 
from the safe.

"Give me 5 grams, I don't want to run out."

That day we went to our doctor complaining of insomnia. He obliged by 

giving us a script for sleeping tablets.

We were


Three years later:

We had invested in a house in an exclusive suburb which we were letting 
out on the basis that the tenants rent would pay the mortgage.

Our tenants were moving out and we thought this the ideal opportunity to 
move in and start a drug free life as the novelty had worn off and we 
weren't feeling great anymore.

Dean had quit so we were getting from another supplier.

I will never forget the day 5 year old C walked into the studio and said 
"You know what,dad? Taking drugs is like taking a brand new house and 
the more drugs
 you take,the older and dirtier the house gets until it 
turns into a dirty old cottage..................that's why you and mom 
want to move to Dainfern."

She was sharp,real sharp.


Eight years after our first

Here I sit, a divorced,lonely,broken,drug dependent 40 year old man.

All my accumulated wealth gone due to irrational investment,giving half 

of it away and my 2 designer drugs of choice,Gamma Hydroxy Buturate and 
Meth-cathanone (cat)consuming the rest.

No house,no studio,no friends,no family,no clients only the 
uncomfortable cravings.

I had been to a 12 step conventional rehab a few years earlier and had 
lasted 5 days.

Then my ex told me about Ibogaine, a naturally occurring hallucinogenic 
plant derivative used by the Ubuntu tribe during ceremonials,which was 

accidently found to
 stop cravings for heroin and other substances 
without withdrawals.

See, a conventional 6 week rehab program teaches you how to deal with 
the cravings, whereas Ibogaine nullifies the cravings without the much 


Don't get me wrong,Ibogaine is a tough route to take and the first 4 
days were filled with hallucinations and ataxia (partial loss of control 
of the limbs.), but worth every second.

Here is part of an email I sent my friend pertaining to one 
hallucination I experienced:

The process was uncomfortable and time passed slowly as the plant worked 
its way through my brain "reformatting" my hard drive.

It is a hallucinogenic and makes you very aware on an introspective as 
well as a spiritual level.

Day one and I started hearing ancient chanting which grew louder at 
night,especially before sleep where my
 adventures would begin.

I heard a digeridoo type buzzing sound surrounding me and,as I dozed 
off,was awoken by the buzzing of motorbikes and found myself in a skanky 
hotel/nightclub surrounded by a massive
 amount of helmets belonging to a 

deadly  gang.

They performed a ritual type ceremony in which they selected the new 
teenage leader based on size and strength,and then out of the back of 
the club in walks..........C, my 11 year old daughter.

She partakes in the ceremony and afterwards disappears.

I turn around and to my horror and disbelief,there she 
is........performing fellatio on the new leader.

The leader walks up to me afterwards to shake my hand on raising such a 

skilled daughter and feelings of rage,hoplessness and fear of being the 
lowest of the low overwhelm me.

I tell C  in a calm,amicable way that her beauty and femina
 are the most 
powerful weapons she has in a man's world which she should never give away.

"I didn't" she replied,pulling out R200 from her pocket.

Suddenly,I am awake,crying and
 shivering with the sickest sensation only 

described as a dad's worst nightmare.

"Give up the narcotics or face the consequences" was the clearest,most 
frightening message of the Ibogaine.

These type of hallucinations were experienced every night for the fist 4 

nights which I can recall in detail, and then a euphoria was experienced.

That was 3 weeks ago and I have absolutely no inclination to even 
entertain the thoughts of GHB or white powder.

I am finally at peace and motivated beyond reason to become a success 
story,not a statistic.

Strange thing is I am attracting such positive energy now and feel more 
confident and creative, whilst being more
 focussed and grounded than 
ever before.


In conclusion,Ibogaine definitely seems like the standard for treating 
addiction over and above a very dated
 12 step regime.

We are constantly evolving, and with evolution comes change.

Why go through a 6 week minimum rehabilitation program and still feel 
the fear and uncertainty of a relapse when the alternative,Ibogaine, 

offers a solution to constant cravings in a week with very little chance 
of relapse as the body is brought to a state of homeostasis relatively 
quickly, avoiding nasty withdrawal symptoms?

This is definitely a treatment for the individual who is sick  and tired 

of feeling sick and tired and really wants to return to sobriety without 
having to be taught how to deal with his/her addictive tendencies in a 
condescending and uncomfortable manner of what I consider to be a sorely

outdated 12 step program.

Within 2-3 weeks of the Ibogaine treatment,my energy levels, motivation, 
creativity and general well being had returned to a state of
and my world had changed from grey to a colourful appreciation with no 

desire to return to the dark, uncomfortable place I had been in just a 
few weeks earlier.

Beat that 12 step.

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