[Ibogaine] Fw: The Evolution of Addiction Treatment

simon loxton simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk
Sat Jul 19 13:54:04 EDT 2008


I mentioned the point not just to be "anal" about it but because a lot of people associate hallucinogens with drugs that are recreationaly used; iboga is in a totally different category. Thats it really otherwise it is just semantics as you pointed out; to a degree.

Si'



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Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: The Evolution of Addiction Treatment

well, whether or not ibogaine is a hallucinogen is really just a semantic
argument. "hallucinogen" is a pretty vague term anyway and not really very
useful for describing drugs.


> Thanks for the attachment Kevin.
>
> Just one comment I wanted to make is that ibogaine is technically not an
> hallucinogen and NA is a way and does work but its not the only way.
>
> Its good to have posts like this with alternatives to the NA or abstinence
> model but thats another topic.
>
> Thanks for sharing the testimonial,
>
> Si'
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Kevin Walker <kevin at ibogaineafricanrenaissance.com>
> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> Sent: Saturday, 19 July, 2008 11:46:29 AM
> Subject: [Ibogaine] Fw: The Evolution of Addiction Treatment
>
> To The List.
>
> A patient forward this attachment and asked me please to publish it on
> Mindvox for him!
>
> Regards
> Kevin
> THE EVOLUTION OF ADDICTION TREATMENT- By Bareman                   12 July
> 2008
>
>
>
>
>
> CHAPTER 1
>
>
>
> "Try some of this." smiled Dean, handing my wife and I a small piece of
> paper with some white powder in the centre.
>
>
>
> "It's called cut or cat and is a chemical version of the plant ,cut, used
> to
> enhance energy and concentration,much like a herbal version of cocaine."
>
>
>
> 15 minutes later we were driving to our magnificent , fully paid for
> house,
> with our music studio, one of the finest and most magical in the country.
>
>
>
> We were feeling motivated, on top of the world,energetic beyond belief and
> excited about the prospects of life.
>
>
>
> That powder sure had a kick to it, a kick that we would later  be directed
> toward my manhood.
>
>
>
> CHAPTER 2
>
>
>
> Half an hour after arriving home and working passionately on a new song,
> we
> felt the need for a little more of the magic powder.
>
>
>
> "Hey Dean, got any more cat?"
>
>
>
> "Sure, I make the stuff,but it's rather expensive to produce so I sell it
> to
> my friends at 150 a gram."
>
>
>
> "I"m coming back,give me 2."
>
>
>
> I walked upstairs to our safe where we had about 100 00 rand in cash, and
> took a mere 300 for Dean.
>
>
>
> See, I figured for 300 rand we were so prolific and energetic that we
> could
> do 2 days work in one, so why not?
>
>
>
> We had tried Ritalin before and cat was like it's big brother in so far as
> focus and energy was concerned.
>
>
>
> Dean told me it was based on a naturally occurring herb, so what was the
> harm?
>
>
>
> CHAPTER 3
>
>
>
> We finished working in the early hours of the morning, sustaining our
> energies by topping up with another line every half hour or so,and let's
> just say making love was explosive to say the least. Bonus.
>
>
>
> Now as for our sleep life, the birds were chirping,the sun was rising and
> we
> had no intentions of entertaining the notion of alpha/beta states as we
> had
> to get our daughter ready for school.
>
>
>
> Lucky we still had some left which we hastily finished. Fantastic, it felt
> like we had just had a good ten hours of slumber and were ready for
> another
> exciting day.
>
>
>
> CHAPTER 4
>
>
>
> After taking C to school, I popped into Dean's place with some more cash
> from the safe.
>
>
>
> "Give me 5 grams, I don't want to run out."
>
>
>
> That day we went to our doctor complaining of insomnia. He obliged by
> giving
> us a script for sleeping tablets.
>
>
>
> We were set.
>
>
>
> CHAPTER 5
>
>
>
> Three years later:
>
>
>
> We had invested in a house in an exclusive suburb which we were letting
> out
> on the basis that the tenants rent would pay the mortgage.
>
>
>
> Our tenants were moving out and we thought this the ideal opportunity to
> move in and start a drug free life as the novelty had worn off and we
> weren't feeling great anymore.
>
>
>
> Dean had quit so we were getting from another supplier.
>
>
>
> I will never forget the day 5 year old C walked into the studio and said
> "You know what,dad? Taking drugs is like taking a brand new house and the
> more drugs you take,the older and dirtier the house gets until it turns
> into
> a dirty old cottage..................that's why you and mom want to move
> to
> Dainfern."
>
>
>
> She was sharp,real sharp.
>
>
>
> CHAPTER 6
>
>
>
> Eight years after our first encounter:
>
>
>
> Here I sit, a divorced,lonely,broken,drug dependent 40 year old man.
>
>
>
> All my accumulated wealth gone due to irrational investment,giving half of
> it away and my 2 designer drugs of choice,Gamma Hydroxy Buturate and
> Meth-cathanone (cat)consuming the rest.
>
>
>
> No house,no studio,no friends,no family,no clients only the uncomfortable
> cravings.
>
>
>
> I had been to a 12 step conventional rehab a few years earlier and had
> lasted 5 days.
>
>
>
> Then my ex told me about Ibogaine, a naturally occurring hallucinogenic
> plant derivative used by the Ubuntu tribe during ceremonials,which was
> accidently found to stop cravings for heroin and other substances without
> withdrawals.
>
>
>
> See, a conventional 6 week rehab program teaches you how to deal with the
> cravings, whereas Ibogaine nullifies the cravings without the much feared
> withdrawals.
>
>
>
> Don't get me wrong,Ibogaine is a tough route to take and the first 4 days
> were filled with hallucinations and ataxia (partial loss of control of the
> limbs.), but worth every second.
>
>
>
> Here is part of an email I sent my friend pertaining to one hallucination
> I
> experienced:
>
>
>
>
>
> The process was uncomfortable and time passed slowly as the plant worked
> its
> way through my brain "reformatting" my hard drive.
>
>
>
> It is a hallucinogenic and makes you very aware on an introspective as
> well
> as a spiritual level.
>
>
>
> Day one and I started hearing ancient chanting which grew louder at
> night,especially before sleep where my adventures would begin.
>
>
>
> I heard a digeridoo type buzzing sound surrounding me and,as I dozed
> off,was
> awoken by the buzzing of motorbikes and found myself in a skanky
> hotel/nightclub surrounded by a massive amount of helmets belonging to a
> deadly  gang.
>
>
>
> They performed a ritual type ceremony in which they selected the new
> teenage
> leader based on size and strength,and then out of the back of the club in
> walks..........C, my 11 year old daughter.
>
>
>
> She partakes in the ceremony and afterwards disappears.
>
>
>
> I turn around and to my horror and disbelief,there she
> is........performing
> fellatio on the new leader.
>
>
>
> The leader walks up to me afterwards to shake my hand on raising such a
> skilled daughter and feelings of rage,hoplessness and fear of being the
> lowest of the low overwhelm me.
>
>
>
> I tell C  in a calm,amicable way that her beauty and femina are the most
> powerful weapons she has in a man's world which she should never give
> away.
>
>
>
> "I didn't" she replied,pulling out R200 from her pocket.
>
>
>
> Suddenly,I am awake,crying and shivering with the sickest sensation only
> described as a dad's worst nightmare.
>
>
>
> "Give up the narcotics or face the consequences" was the clearest,most
> frightening message of the Ibogaine.
>
>
>
> These type of hallucinations were experienced every night for the fist 4
> nights which I can recall in detail, and then a euphoria was experienced.
>
>
>
> That was 3 weeks ago and I have absolutely no inclination to even
> entertain
> the thoughts of GHB or white powder.
>
>
>
> I am finally at peace and motivated beyond reason to become a success
> story,not a statistic.
>
>
>
> Strange thing is I am attracting such positive energy now and feel more
> confident and creative, whilst being more focussed and grounded than ever
> before.
>
>
>
> CHAPTER 7
>
>
>
> In conclusion,Ibogaine definitely seems like the standard for treating
> addiction over and above a very dated 12 step regime.
>
>
>
> We are constantly evolving, and with evolution comes change.
>
>
>
> Why go through a 6 week minimum rehabilitation program and still feel the
> fear and uncertainty of a relapse when the alternative,Ibogaine, offers a
> solution to constant cravings in a week with very little chance of relapse
> as the body is brought to a state of homeostasis relatively quickly,
> avoiding nasty withdrawal symptoms?
>
>
>
> This is definitely a treatment for the individual who is sick  and tired
> of
> feeling sick and tired and really wants to return to sobriety without
> having
> to be taught how to deal with his/her addictive tendencies in a
> condescending and uncomfortable manner of what I consider to be a sorely
> outdated 12 step program.
>
>
>
> Within 2-3 weeks of the Ibogaine treatment,my energy levels, motivation,
> creativity and general well being had returned to a state of normality and
> my world had changed from grey to a colourful appreciation with no desire
> to
> return to the dark, uncomfortable place I had been in just a few weeks
> earlier.
>
>
>
>
>
> Beat that 12 step.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ___________________________________________________________________
> NHP / Dr Kevin Walker (Reg No: 6206429)
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bareman" <liquid at telkomsa.net>
> To: "Kevin Walker" <kevin at ibogaineafricanrenaissance.com>
> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 10:34 AM
> Subject: The Evolution of Addiction Treatment
>
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