[Ibogaine] MK 801??

Luke Christoffersen luke.christoffersen at gmail.com
Mon Jul 14 12:13:40 EDT 2008


I've read that some things, even foods can cause something called
excitotoxicity by stimulating nmda too much. Ibogaine is an nmda
antagonist too.

On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 3:35 PM,  <j0n at just-say-know.org> wrote:
> They're not contradictive if you read them carefully. NMDA antagonists are
> neuroprotective in the case of brain trauma because they block what's
> called the glutamate cascade. When a brain cell dies, it sends out
> excessive amounts of glutamate that kills of other brain cells, which in
> turn send out more glutamate and a chain reaction occurs. NMDA antagonists
> stop this chain reaction, so they minimize the damage associated with
> things like strokes, head injuries, etc.
>
> On the other hand, there is some evidence the high doses of NMDA
> antagonists can call what are known as Olney lesions, a sort of brain
> damage. However this has only been demonstrated in rats and was not able
> to be replicated using monkeys. Very little study of this phenomenon has
> been done in humans.
>
>
>> Aren't nmda antagonists supposed to be neuro protective? It just goes
>> to show how many of these scientific studies are contradicting. most
>> things I've read say that too much stimulation of nmda causes
>> toxicity.
>> Luke
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 9:39 AM, Warren Theriot <wleetheriot at ca.rr.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Guess what happens when you take LSD with NMDA antagonists:
>>> http://www.erowid.org/references/refs_view.php?ID=7077
>>> Warren
>>>
>>> On Jul 9, 2008, at 6:17 AM, Jim Hadey wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Randy,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It is mentioned in Wikipedia and Erowid.  It is said to cause brain
>>> damage.
>>> Sounds like a
>>>
>>> good thing to keep away from.  When you say MK 801 is that the same as
>>> MK
>>> Ultra??
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best to ya,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   - JIM
>>>
>>> --- On Sun, 7/6/08, Warren Theriot <wleetheriot at ca.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> From: Warren Theriot <wleetheriot at ca.rr.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] MK 801??
>>> To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>> Date: Sunday, July 6, 2008, 12:32 AM
>>>
>>>
>>> Its probably similar to PCP.
>>> Warren
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 5, 2008, at 3:00 PM, Randy Faulconer wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 1:15 PM, Randy Faulconer <bicuitboy714 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>          Hey yall's, I was looking around at the NIDA home page,
>>>> looking
>>>> for what they may have said about Ibogaine lately. I didn't find
>>>> anything
>>>> new, but I stumbled on to a report on MK 801. The drug name is
>>>> Dizocilpine.
>>>> Has anybody had any experience with this? It is claimed to be a strong
>>>> hallucinitory substance, although it has some bad side effects. Real
>>>> bad
>>>> amnesia for one. It has very strong auditory hallucinations and lasts a
>>>> long
>>>> time. It is measured in Micro-grams so it is very potent and has the
>>>> risk of
>>>> OD along with it. It's actions are in the NMDA antagonist group of
>>>> drugs.
>>>>
>>>>           I'm just curious about it>>??<<
>>>>
>>>>                     Peace Love and Ear Trips
>>>>                           Randy
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