[Ibogaine] Barcelona presentations and abstracts now available

karl charlton darrascourt at yahoo.co.uk
Fri Jul 11 06:50:55 EDT 2008


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--- On Mon, 23/6/08, simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Barcelona presentations and abstracts now available
To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Date: Monday, 23 June, 2008, 1:07 PM






That much if not more it depends on what the person administrating the drug judges at the time but thats fairly close in my opinion.


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>>Ingestion of 22 grams of Iboga threw us through transition' the effects lasted well into 4 weeks' 
 
anyone have any idea how does this dose compares to what a Nganga would give a teenage initiate in Bwiti-land ?
 
good info thx 2.
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Donzo
"Love converts hearts, and gives peace."
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: Paul Brookshaw 
To: The Ibogaine List 
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Barcelona presentations and abstracts now available

Hello Charles'

Ibogamine levels stay high in the blood stream for about 6-7 weeks' toxicology reports show'

Iboga in our opinion works better than Ibogaine hcl' because of the other alkaloids the woods contain'

30 days of Iboga at one gram a day' gets one through full transition as long as the Iboga has no substances to rewire' Very hard experience'
Way harder than say ingesting 25 grams straight off'

Records at this time of Ibogaine at 50mg a day' have had to ween and rewire Methadone'

The clients go 10  -  17 days at 50mg a day(If they can take it) then have a break for 2 weeks( whilst ingesting 250mg/day Iboga) then ingest one gram day Iboga for 9 -14 days' (if they can take it) folks differ'

They deal with a lot of behaviour issues and also the substance abuse'

Of what doses are you speaking of for Ibogaine hcl for 10-14 days' at 50mg a day 10 days would only be 500mg'

In our opinion Iboga works way better than HCL'

HCL seems to be woosh in woosh out' where as the effects of Iboga can last well into five weeks'

We ingested 1500mg Ibogaine hcl'

The effects where no where near as profound as Iboga and also started to wear off after 2 weeks' No transition experienced' just pushed through the veil' with some problem solving in the dream state'

Ingestion of 22 grams of Iboga threw us through transition' the effects lasted well into 4 weeks' this is with no substances to re-wire' A lot of problem solving experienced during the dream state' and a great deal afterwards for the first week' once the Ibogamine levels had reached their peak'


Bliss

Motumba














From: pille at live.co.za
To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 02:08:53 +0200
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Barcelona presentations and abstracts now available



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Hi Paul
 
How did you establish the time to be seven weeks?
 
With the rest I agree.  Ibogaine, given in smaller doses, can be just as effective.
 
However, I have found that most participants can only use Ibogaine for 10-14 days.  Then their bodies decide its enough - like an auromatic handbrake.  Did you find the same thing?
 
Another question:
 
How can you say that 1g of eboga = 50mg Ibigaine?  Quantitative analyses shows spectacular differences with natural substances
 
Regards
 
Charles.  





From: jiggy9 at hotmail.co.uk
To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 00:37:47 +0100
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Barcelona presentations and abstracts now available



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One gram of Iboga or 50mg of Ibogaine/day for 30 days' effects a resset'

There is no need to ingest large amounts of either substances, due to the fact that Ibogamine levels stay high after ingestion of Iboga'Ibogaine for anything up to 7 weeks'

50mg of Ibogaine daily has been seen to reduce dramatically substance use'
Vit B12 has been seen to prolong the effects of Iboga/Ibogaine'

Bliss

Motumba




Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 21:51:33 +0000
From: simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk
To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Barcelona presentations and abstracts now available



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I have had success with low dose regimens of iboga but in terms of dose and frequency it is still patient specific information. I will see if there is anyone who wishes to comment or will allow me to divulge information. I have some but not a great deal of experience in this area as it has been some thing that I have recently been experimenting with. In  certain cases and especially with regard to therapeutic doses post reset some people have found that low doses of iboga have aided in the efficacy or other treatments they are undergoing. I will try and get some thing more specific but as of now it is still very limited and post treatment feedback is not where I would really want it to be, I have found this end of the information gathering few and far between for different reasons.


----- Original Message ----
From: DC in AZ <dcollier9 at cox.net>
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Sent: Sunday, 22 June, 2008 11:12:53 PM
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anyone doing the ibogaine-iboga program for people can share any experiences 
with low dose ibogaine or iboga extract ?
can patients that cannot or would not want to take the big doses, get relief
from withdrawals or stomach problems from small doses ? if so, what dosages, 
for how long time, etc
thx
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Donzo
"Love converts hearts, and gives peace."
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From: "Howard Lotsof" <hslotsof at phantom.com>
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Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 10:30 AM
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> Abstracts and some presentations are now available from the Barcelona
> session held during the International Harm Reduction conference.
>
> Howard
>
> http://ibogaine.org/barcelona.html
>
>
> Ibogaine treatment for substance dependence: Historical and future
> perspectives
> Howard S. Lotsof -- President, Dora Weiner Foundation, Staten Island,
> NY, USA -
> ppt slide presentation 4 Mb    abstract
>
> The lack of evidence for ibogaine as a treatment for heroin dependence
> Alex Wodak -- Alcohol and Drug Service, St Vincent's Hospital,
> Sydney, NSW, Australia -
> ppt slide presentation    abstract
>
> The safety and screening of ibogaine in a Mexican clinical setting
> Alonso Perez -- The Ibogaine Association, Playas de Tijuana, Mexico
> -  abstract
>
> Underground ibogaine treatment and drug user activism
> Dimitri Mubengo Mugianis -- Freedomroot and Voices Of Community
> Advocates and Leaders (VOCAL), New York, NY, USA  -  abstract
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