[Ibogaine] does the list exist anymore

Dave Brockman davebroc at gmail.com
Tue Jul 8 18:53:14 EDT 2008


It was down for about 3 days, then one more day. You can check what's
happening, like if your email isn't working, but the rest of the list
is, by going to the url-

http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/

this month-

http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/2008-July/date.html

List update-

http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/2008-July/004171.html

-broc

On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 6:18 PM, LEE <JUNKBOY64 at msn.com> wrote:
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Warren Theriot
> To: The Ibogaine List
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 1:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] low dose ibogaine/was/ Barcelona presentations
> andabstracts now available
> Hi Paul,
> What kind of a dietary regimen would be recommended during the 30 days?
> Warren
>
> On Jun 22, 2008, at 10:40 PM, Howard Lotsof wrote:
>
>> Hi Paul,
>>
>> You don't see any adverse effects of 30 day administration of 50mg/
>> day of ibogaine?  How many people have you placed on this regimen?
>>
>> Howard
>>
>> On Jun 22, 2008, at 8:12 PM, Paul Brookshaw wrote:
>>
>>> One gram Iboga/50mg Ibogaine for 30 days effects' in our opinion' a
>>> fuller resset'
>>> This is due to the fact that the Ibogaine has less to rewire within
>>> the brain, as would be' say someone stopping opiates' instantly'
>>>
>>> 10 days low dose and substance weening, then another 20 days
>>> getting the Ibogamine levels high enough to effect a resset of the
>>> NMDA resseptors'
>>>
>>> During this time the client can be expected to deal with much of
>>> the reasons for the substance use and many other things besides'
>>>
>>> After 30 days' if it obseved the client is not high enough to work
>>> with problem solving' then ingestion can continue'
>>>
>>> Until such time as the person goes through transition' dealing in
>>> psychi with the problems that Iboga has shown to be need changing'~
>>>
>>> Flood dose gives a resset to the NMDA receptors' but the cient does
>>> the problem solving in the weeks after the initial ingestion'
>>> Only a little stuff is dealt with in the initial dream state and no
>>> problem solving is dealt with in the visionary state'
>>>
>>> Bliss
>>>
>>> Motumba
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: jiggy9 at hotmail.co.uk
>>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
>>> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 00:56:59 +0100
>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Barcelona presentations and abstracts now
>>> available
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Low dose ingestion is just as effective if not more so than full
>>> flood dosing with Iboga'
>>>
>>> The daily ingestion of Iboga tops up the Ibogamine levels, allowing
>>> clients to ween themselves off of substances and also continue
>>> taking Iboga well after they have recovered from the substance abuse'
>>>
>>> The effects of ingesting low dose Iboga/Ibogaine daily have a
>>> greater effect on ones psychi' allowing one to get to the bottom of
>>> addictive behaviour'
>>>
>>> A resset is effected with a high dose ingestion' then the client
>>> goes through his/her problem solving'
>>> This can take many many weeks'
>>>
>>> The initial session of Iboga/Ibogaine deals with very little in the
>>> way of behaviour problem solving'
>>>
>>> This is done in the concurrent weeks after initial ingestion'
>>>
>>> This is the reason of why low dose regime works so well'
>>>
>>> Bliss
>>>
>>> Motumba
>>>
>>> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 22:03:00 +0000
>>> From: simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk
>>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Barcelona presentations and abstracts now
>>> available
>>>
>>> Low doses of ibogaine or iboga are not enough to get the person to
>>> the same state which they achieve on higher doses in terms of self
>>> awareness and the origin of trauma to name but two.
>>> When only dealing with the symptoms of addiction this is a very
>>> small area and what is needed is to get to the underlying reasons
>>> for the addictive behavior.
>>> I have not seen the same progress made on lower doses alone. I have
>>> found that this is where the indigenous knowledge is of great help
>>> as low doses are continued after initiation; there are other
>>> initiatory  stages in the spiritual progression; the key point
>>> being to me a constant ritual of rebirth followed by growth.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>> From: Charles Rossouw <pille at live.co.za>
>>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, 22 June, 2008 11:45:53 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Barcelona presentations and abstracts now
>>> available
>>>
>>> Hi Don
>>>
>>> I have been thinking about the same thing for some time.
>>>
>>> I have experimented with lower dose HCl (because its a standard
>>> strength, unlike any extact) for a few months, and I can't actually
>>> see why a "flood dose" is neccessary.  Smaller doses, streched over
>>> a longer period, are just as effective to attenuate withdrawals and
>>> has a similar efffect on the longer term outcome.  I am also of the
>>> opinion that the chemical actions (i.e. the GDNF regulation, etc)
>>> is achieved.
>>>
>>> Sure - when  you loose the spiritual aspect, you may not get the
>>> full benefit of "ibogaine, the entheogen", but there are are at
>>> least 75 other ways to achieve an altered state of consciousness.
>>> Many of them safer than ibogaine.
>>>
>>> In my opinion, the "flood" also causes the risk, in that it may
>>> cause early symptoms of ibogaine "overdose".
>>>
>>> The same tendency (As we currently see the ibogaine dosage
>>> protocol) is seen in psychiatric medicine regimes, where huge
>>> dosage regimes are propagated to psychiatrists by drug companies
>>> when a product is launched, and after time, they tend to agree that
>>> lower doses are more acceptable, due to side effects of the drugs.
>>>
>>> Any ideas, Ken?  I am also asking this question.
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>>
>>> Charles
>>>
>>>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
>>>> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 14:12:53 -0700
>>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Barcelona presentations and abstracts now
>>> available
>>>>
>>>> anyone doing the ibogaine-iboga program for people can share any
>>> experiences
>>>> with low dose ibogaine or iboga extract ?
>>>> can patients that cannot or would not want to take the big doses,
>>> get relief
>>>> from withdrawals or stomach problems from small doses ? if so,
>>> what dosages,
>>>> for how long time, etc
>>>> thx
>>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> -----
>>>> Donzo
>>>> "Love converts hearts, and gives peace."
>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Howard Lotsof" <hslotsof at phantom.com>
>>>> To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 10:30 AM
>>>> Subject: [Ibogaine] Barcelona presentations and abstracts now
>>> available
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Abstracts and some presentations are now available from the
>>> Barcelona
>>>>> session held during the International Harm Reduction conference.
>>>>>
>>>>> Howard
>>>>>
>>>>> http://ibogaine.org/barcelonahtml
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ibogaine treatment for substance dependence: Historical and future
>>>>> perspectives
>>>>> Howard S. Lotsof -- President, Dora Weiner Foundation, Staten
>>> Island,
>>>>> NY, USA -
>>>>> ppt slide presentation 4 Mb abstract
>>>>>
>>>>> The lack of evidence for ibogaine as a treatment for heroin
>>> dependence
>>>>> Alex Wodak -- Alcohol and Drug Service, St Vincent's Hospital,
>>>>> Sydney, NSW, Australia -
>>>>> ppt slide presentation abstract
>>>>>
>>>>> The safety and screening of ibogaine in a Mexican clinical setting
>>>>> Alonso Perez -- The Ibogaine Association, Playas de Tijuana,
>>> Mexico
>>>>> - abstract
>>>>>
>>>>> Underground ibogaine treatment and drug user activism
>>>>> Dimitri Mubengo Mugianis -- Freedomroot and Voices Of Community
>>>>> Advocates and Leaders (VOCAL), New York, NY, USA - abstract
>>>>>
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