[Ibogaine] does the list exist anymore

simon loxton simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk
Tue Jul 8 18:52:14 EDT 2008


yep; its back on now for a while. You should get this Lee.


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Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] does the list exist anymore

 
 
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: Warren  Theriot 
To: The Ibogaine List 
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 1:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] low dose  ibogaine/was/ Barcelona presentations andabstracts now available
Hi Paul,
What kind of a dietary regimen would be recommended  during the 30 days?
Warren

On Jun 22, 2008, at 10:40 PM, Howard  Lotsof wrote:

> Hi Paul,
>
> You don't see any adverse  effects of 30 day administration of 50mg/
> day of ibogaine?  How  many people have you placed on this regimen?
>
>  Howard
>
> On Jun 22, 2008, at 8:12 PM, Paul Brookshaw  wrote:
>
>> One gram Iboga/50mg Ibogaine for 30 days effects'  in our opinion' a
>> fuller resset'
>> This is due to the  fact that the Ibogaine has less to rewire within
>> the brain, as  would be' say someone stopping opiates' instantly'
>>
>> 10  days low dose and substance weening, then another 20 days
>> getting  the Ibogamine levels high enough to effect a resset of the
>> NMDA  resseptors'
>>
>> During this time the client can be  expected to deal with much of
>> the reasons for the substance use  and many other things besides'
>>
>> After 30 days' if it  obseved the client is not high enough to work
>> with problem  solving' then ingestion can continue'
>>
>> Until such time  as the person goes through transition' dealing in
>> psychi with the  problems that Iboga has shown to be need changing'~
>>
>>  Flood dose gives a resset to the NMDA receptors' but the cient  does
>> the problem solving in the weeks after the initial  ingestion'
>> Only a little stuff is dealt with in the initial dream  state and no
>> problem solving is dealt with in the visionary  state'
>>
>> Bliss
>>
>>  Motumba
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: jiggy9 at hotmail.co.uk
>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
>> Date:  Mon, 23 Jun 2008 00:56:59 +0100
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Barcelona  presentations and abstracts now
>>  available
>>
>>
>>
>> Low dose ingestion  is just as effective if not more so than full
>> flood dosing with  Iboga'
>>
>> The daily ingestion of Iboga tops up the  Ibogamine levels, allowing
>> clients to ween themselves off of  substances and also continue
>> taking Iboga well after they have  recovered from the substance abuse'
>>
>> The effects of  ingesting low dose Iboga/Ibogaine daily have a
>> greater effect on  ones psychi' allowing one to get to the bottom of
>> addictive  behaviour'
>>
>> A resset is effected with a high dose  ingestion' then the client
>> goes through his/her problem  solving'
>> This can take many many weeks'
>>
>>  The initial session of Iboga/Ibogaine deals with very little in  the
>> way of behaviour problem solving'
>>
>> This  is done in the concurrent weeks after initial  ingestion'
>>
>> This is the reason of why low dose regime  works so well'
>>
>> Bliss
>>
>>  Motumba
>>
>> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 22:03:00  +0000
>> From: simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk
>>  To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
>>  Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Barcelona presentations and abstracts now
>>  available
>>
>> Low doses of ibogaine or iboga are not  enough to get the person to
>> the same state which they achieve on  higher doses in terms of self
>> awareness and the origin of trauma  to name but two.
>> When only dealing with the symptoms of addiction  this is a very
>> small area and what is needed is to get to the  underlying reasons
>> for the addictive behavior.
>> I have  not seen the same progress made on lower doses alone. I have
>> found  that this is where the indigenous knowledge is of great help
>> as  low doses are continued after initiation; there are other
>>  initiatory  stages in the spiritual progression; the key  point
>> being to me a constant ritual of rebirth followed by  growth.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From:  Charles Rossouw <pille at live.co.za>
>> To: The  Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>  Sent: Sunday, 22 June, 2008 11:45:53 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]  Barcelona presentations and abstracts now
>>  available
>>
>> Hi Don
>>
>> I have been  thinking about the same thing for some time.
>>
>> I have  experimented with lower dose HCl (because its a standard
>> strength,  unlike any extact) for a few months, and I can't actually
>> see why  a "flood dose" is neccessary.  Smaller doses, streched over
>> a  longer period, are just as effective to attenuate withdrawals and
>>  has a similar efffect on the longer term outcome.  I am also of  the
>> opinion that the chemical actions (i.e. the GDNF regulation,  etc)
>> is achieved.
>>
>> Sure - when  you  loose the spiritual aspect, you may not get the
>> full benefit of  "ibogaine, the entheogen", but there are are at
>> least 75 other  ways to achieve an altered state of consciousness.
>> Many of them  safer than ibogaine.
>>
>> In my opinion, the "flood" also  causes the risk, in that it may
>> cause early symptoms of ibogaine  "overdose".
>>
>> The same tendency (As we currently see the  ibogaine dosage
>> protocol) is seen in psychiatric medicine regimes,  where huge
>> dosage regimes are propagated to psychiatrists by drug  companies
>> when a product is launched, and after time, they tend to  agree that
>> lower doses are more acceptable, due to side effects of  the drugs.
>>
>> Any ideas, Ken?  I am also asking this  question.
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>>  Charles
>>
>>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
>>>  Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 14:12:53 -0700
>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]  Barcelona presentations and abstracts now
>>  available
>>>
>>> anyone doing the ibogaine-iboga  program for people can share any
>> experiences
>>> with  low dose ibogaine or iboga extract ?
>>> can patients that cannot  or would not want to take the big doses,
>> get  relief
>>> from withdrawals or stomach problems from small doses ?  if so,
>> what dosages,
>>> for how long time,  etc
>>> thx
>>>
>>  ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>  -----
>>> Donzo
>>> "Love converts hearts, and gives  peace."
>>>  __________________________________________________
>>>
>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Howard Lotsof" <hslotsof at phantom.com>
>>>  To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>>  Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 10:30 AM
>>> Subject: [Ibogaine]  Barcelona presentations and abstracts now
>>  available
>>>
>>>
>>>> Abstracts and  some presentations are now available from the
>>  Barcelona
>>>> session held during the International Harm  Reduction conference.
>>>>
>>>>  Howard
>>>>
>>>> http://ibogaine.org/barcelonahtml
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Ibogaine treatment for substance dependence: Historical and  future
>>>> perspectives
>>>> Howard S. Lotsof  -- President, Dora Weiner Foundation, Staten
>>  Island,
>>>> NY, USA -
>>>> ppt slide  presentation 4 Mb abstract
>>>>
>>>> The lack of  evidence for ibogaine as a treatment for heroin
>>  dependence
>>>> Alex Wodak -- Alcohol and Drug Service, St  Vincent's Hospital,
>>>> Sydney, NSW, Australia  -
>>>> ppt slide presentation  abstract
>>>>
>>>> The safety and screening of  ibogaine in a Mexican clinical setting
>>>> Alonso Perez -- The  Ibogaine Association, Playas de Tijuana,
>>  Mexico
>>>> - abstract
>>>>
>>>>  Underground ibogaine treatment and drug user activism
>>>>  Dimitri Mubengo Mugianis -- Freedomroot and Voices Of  Community
>>>> Advocates and Leaders (VOCAL), New York, NY, USA  - abstract
>>>>
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