[Ibogaine] does the list exist anymore

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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Warren Theriot<mailto:wleetheriot at ca.rr.com> 
  To: The Ibogaine List<mailto:ibogaine at mindvox.com> 
  Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 1:33 AM
  Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] low dose ibogaine/was/ Barcelona presentations andabstracts now available


  Hi Paul,
  What kind of a dietary regimen would be recommended during the 30 days?
  Warren

  On Jun 22, 2008, at 10:40 PM, Howard Lotsof wrote:

  > Hi Paul,
  >
  > You don't see any adverse effects of 30 day administration of 50mg/
  > day of ibogaine?  How many people have you placed on this regimen?
  >
  > Howard
  >
  > On Jun 22, 2008, at 8:12 PM, Paul Brookshaw wrote:
  >
  >> One gram Iboga/50mg Ibogaine for 30 days effects' in our opinion' a
  >> fuller resset'
  >> This is due to the fact that the Ibogaine has less to rewire within
  >> the brain, as would be' say someone stopping opiates' instantly'
  >>
  >> 10 days low dose and substance weening, then another 20 days
  >> getting the Ibogamine levels high enough to effect a resset of the
  >> NMDA resseptors'
  >>
  >> During this time the client can be expected to deal with much of
  >> the reasons for the substance use and many other things besides'
  >>
  >> After 30 days' if it obseved the client is not high enough to work
  >> with problem solving' then ingestion can continue'
  >>
  >> Until such time as the person goes through transition' dealing in
  >> psychi with the problems that Iboga has shown to be need changing'~
  >>
  >> Flood dose gives a resset to the NMDA receptors' but the cient does
  >> the problem solving in the weeks after the initial ingestion'
  >> Only a little stuff is dealt with in the initial dream state and no
  >> problem solving is dealt with in the visionary state'
  >>
  >> Bliss
  >>
  >> Motumba
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >> From: jiggy9 at hotmail.co.uk<mailto:jiggy9 at hotmail.co.uk>
  >> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com<mailto:ibogaine at mindvox.com>
  >> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 00:56:59 +0100
  >> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Barcelona presentations and abstracts now
  >> available
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >> Low dose ingestion is just as effective if not more so than full
  >> flood dosing with Iboga'
  >>
  >> The daily ingestion of Iboga tops up the Ibogamine levels, allowing
  >> clients to ween themselves off of substances and also continue
  >> taking Iboga well after they have recovered from the substance abuse'
  >>
  >> The effects of ingesting low dose Iboga/Ibogaine daily have a
  >> greater effect on ones psychi' allowing one to get to the bottom of
  >> addictive behaviour'
  >>
  >> A resset is effected with a high dose ingestion' then the client
  >> goes through his/her problem solving'
  >> This can take many many weeks'
  >>
  >> The initial session of Iboga/Ibogaine deals with very little in the
  >> way of behaviour problem solving'
  >>
  >> This is done in the concurrent weeks after initial ingestion'
  >>
  >> This is the reason of why low dose regime works so well'
  >>
  >> Bliss
  >>
  >> Motumba
  >>
  >> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 22:03:00 +0000
  >> From: simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk<mailto:simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
  >> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com<mailto:ibogaine at mindvox.com>
  >> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Barcelona presentations and abstracts now
  >> available
  >>
  >> Low doses of ibogaine or iboga are not enough to get the person to
  >> the same state which they achieve on higher doses in terms of self
  >> awareness and the origin of trauma to name but two.
  >> When only dealing with the symptoms of addiction this is a very
  >> small area and what is needed is to get to the underlying reasons
  >> for the addictive behavior.
  >> I have not seen the same progress made on lower doses alone. I have
  >> found that this is where the indigenous knowledge is of great help
  >> as low doses are continued after initiation; there are other
  >> initiatory  stages in the spiritual progression; the key point
  >> being to me a constant ritual of rebirth followed by growth.
  >>
  >> ----- Original Message ----
  >> From: Charles Rossouw <pille at live.co.za<mailto:pille at live.co.za>>
  >> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com<mailto:ibogaine at mindvox.com>>
  >> Sent: Sunday, 22 June, 2008 11:45:53 PM
  >> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Barcelona presentations and abstracts now
  >> available
  >>
  >> Hi Don
  >>
  >> I have been thinking about the same thing for some time.
  >>
  >> I have experimented with lower dose HCl (because its a standard
  >> strength, unlike any extact) for a few months, and I can't actually
  >> see why a "flood dose" is neccessary.  Smaller doses, streched over
  >> a longer period, are just as effective to attenuate withdrawals and
  >> has a similar efffect on the longer term outcome.  I am also of the
  >> opinion that the chemical actions (i.e. the GDNF regulation, etc)
  >> is achieved.
  >>
  >> Sure - when  you loose the spiritual aspect, you may not get the
  >> full benefit of "ibogaine, the entheogen", but there are are at
  >> least 75 other ways to achieve an altered state of consciousness.
  >> Many of them safer than ibogaine.
  >>
  >> In my opinion, the "flood" also causes the risk, in that it may
  >> cause early symptoms of ibogaine "overdose".
  >>
  >> The same tendency (As we currently see the ibogaine dosage
  >> protocol) is seen in psychiatric medicine regimes, where huge
  >> dosage regimes are propagated to psychiatrists by drug companies
  >> when a product is launched, and after time, they tend to agree that
  >> lower doses are more acceptable, due to side effects of the drugs.
  >>
  >> Any ideas, Ken?  I am also asking this question.
  >>
  >> Kind regards
  >>
  >> Charles
  >>
  >>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com<mailto:ibogaine at mindvox.com>
  >>> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 14:12:53 -0700
  >>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Barcelona presentations and abstracts now
  >> available
  >>>
  >>> anyone doing the ibogaine-iboga program for people can share any
  >> experiences
  >>> with low dose ibogaine or iboga extract ?
  >>> can patients that cannot or would not want to take the big doses,
  >> get relief
  >>> from withdrawals or stomach problems from small doses ? if so,
  >> what dosages,
  >>> for how long time, etc
  >>> thx
  >>>
  >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
  >> -----
  >>> Donzo
  >>> "Love converts hearts, and gives peace."
  >>> __________________________________________________
  >>>
  >>> ----- Original Message -----
  >>> From: "Howard Lotsof" <hslotsof at phantom.com<mailto:hslotsof at phantom.com>>
  >>> To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com<mailto:ibogaine at mindvox.com>>
  >>> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 10:30 AM
  >>> Subject: [Ibogaine] Barcelona presentations and abstracts now
  >> available
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>> Abstracts and some presentations are now available from the
  >> Barcelona
  >>>> session held during the International Harm Reduction conference.
  >>>>
  >>>> Howard
  >>>>
  >>>> http://ibogaine.org/barcelona.html<http://ibogaine.org/barcelona.html>
  >>>>
  >>>>
  >>>> Ibogaine treatment for substance dependence: Historical and future
  >>>> perspectives
  >>>> Howard S. Lotsof -- President, Dora Weiner Foundation, Staten
  >> Island,
  >>>> NY, USA -
  >>>> ppt slide presentation 4 Mb abstract
  >>>>
  >>>> The lack of evidence for ibogaine as a treatment for heroin
  >> dependence
  >>>> Alex Wodak -- Alcohol and Drug Service, St Vincent's Hospital,
  >>>> Sydney, NSW, Australia -
  >>>> ppt slide presentation abstract
  >>>>
  >>>> The safety and screening of ibogaine in a Mexican clinical setting
  >>>> Alonso Perez -- The Ibogaine Association, Playas de Tijuana,
  >> Mexico
  >>>> - abstract
  >>>>
  >>>> Underground ibogaine treatment and drug user activism
  >>>> Dimitri Mubengo Mugianis -- Freedomroot and Voices Of Community
  >>>> Advocates and Leaders (VOCAL), New York, NY, USA - abstract
  >>>>
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