[Ibogaine] Ibogaine Digest, Vol 10, Issue 308

Brad Hays bradleyheathhays at gmail.com
Tue Jul 8 02:12:06 EDT 2008


Val, did you read the previous post I made to you a few weeks back?


On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 12:35 AM, Adam Nodelman <jonathanswiftboat at yahoo.com>
wrote:

> whoa...
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: valerie <ouivalerie at yahoo.com>
> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> Sent: Monday, July 7, 2008 11:20:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Digest, Vol 10, Issue 308
>
> Debts and Anger:
>
> I see the broken bong issue and the replacement is the responsibility of
> the one who broke it. But they seldom want to pay it forward, if you forgive
> them they often look you up and pay one day when they figure it
> out...ESPECIALLY the addicts living in the moment and try and get on over on
> anyone and everyone...I think ibogaine would work better if you don't hang
> on to the past.  All the people that got robbed in their homes, and can't
> sue the addict...they are out there too...the addict is so well known to say
> and do ANYTHING for the next fix alone...scared of pain...drug always comes
> first.  SO CRAZY to assume and put people out with the burden of
>  illegal.  Homeowners and renters can't help you break the law 3 times a
> day, 3 fixes a day....what a lot of burden to the leaseholder, and
> homeowners...to worry about losing a home.  THEY DO TAKE THE HOMES AWAY ON
> THIS OFTEN!!!  THE DOPE DEALER should supply a place for this shit like the
> bars do for liquor!  If this isn't reason enough to get your ibogaine, and
> work and pay to stay off illegal drugs so your world doesn't get real
> secret, sneaky and small, then I gotta say, the person may deserve the great
> pain, because what do they think they are to other's?  An asset they are
> not!...  I can see they don't know...their KARMA is getting worse and longer
> to repent...each fix...is a block on your responsibility to get off the
> stuff or move out on the street and take your staph infection, sugar
> cravings, cellulitis, hepatitis, and diabetes with you!  Scream that
> everybody is mean and nasty and learn...that's what you get for day after
> day after day of bothering people with intent to be doing nothing but
> drugs when only certain seedy, sneaky, persons and carrier pidgeons can be
> your friends.  How we keep our home is to get rid of dope...Sure addicts
> want to hope things are none of the buisness of the neighbors, police, and
> hide under privacy laws, taking advantage of a respected straight
> person. They want just one more fix, just one more day...just pay for dope
> and STIFF OR IGNORE anyone else that needs money from them. WHY can't they
> see how RUDE the drug has made them how deep into taking though aggressive
> begging, even stealing? It's a path to little help from people  except from
> the snotty young runners that think the big dope man is going to make them
> rich one day...so your have to put up with their plans to be a big criminal,
> so you not doing them any real favors to tie up their time on a bad path for
> themselves to earn money. Circumstances are what they are, some things can't
> change anytime soon so...it's so important to take ibogaine and be over with
> this drug even the doctor's can't get it for anyone....and all the people
> that the addict clicks with are hurting all the people you can be real with
> because they are sneakily depending on you to be their friend, their
> buisness, and their territory, while your real life with people that enjoy
> who you are,  is slipping away into something that didn't need to be, the
> drug is a great kidnapper, I'm not saying people can't have it once a month
> for a good time...
>
> but I can see the addicts are such hardcore mindsets...who often don't want
> to live anyway...they don't like what they have... no more, if that sounds
> like poor english I mean to say, what they have is NO MORE other than the
> opportunity to learn to give...try being a 24/7 mother and find out...what
> you get...giving works out for the better after all. My mom died of horrible
> pancreatic cancer(the most painful one known), the worst one ever seen, ON
> NO DRUGS BUT ASPIRIN! She knew how to give and conquer mind over matter.
>
> ~ouivalerie at yahoo.com <%7Eouivalerie at yahoo.com>
>
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> Date: Friday, June 27, 2008, 11:42 AM
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>    1. Re: Leo Finegold?Dana get a life (Dana Beal)
>    2. Re: USA and AIDS (j0n at just-say-know.org)
>    3. Re: qualities around the
>  world/NYC-chi-town (Paul Brookshaw)
>    4. Re: Leo Finegold?Dana get a life (Nelson Comerci)
>    5. Re: alternative to opiate or addictive pain medication
>       (Luke Christoffersen)
>    6. Re: qualities around the world/NYC-chi-town (simon loxton)
>    7. NSAID anti-inflammatorys (Luke Christoffersen)
>    8. Re: qualities around the world/NYC-chi-town (Paul Brookshaw)
>    9. Re: Ibogaine Re: OT (Matt Shriver)
>   10. Re: Ibogaine Digest, Vol 10, Issue 305 (Jeremy Spence)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:54:27 -0400
> From: Dana Beal <dana at phantom.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold?Dana get a life
> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Message-ID: <771594A7-654D-48E3-9D50-EC85A8314AB1 at phantom.com>
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> Yeah, but to continue the sniping and innuendo for
>  years over a
> broken BONG?
>
> The point is that this can't be settled privately. It's been tried
> numerous times. I want Sara to cease and desist.
>
> I'm appealing to a jury of my peers--the LIst--for a settlement of
> this dispute.
>
> Dana/cnw
>
>
> On Jun 27, 2008, at 11:01 AM, Brad Hays wrote:
>
> > I don't give a shit.  Get this crap off the list and deal with it
> > yourselves.  You both have each other's emails.  Get together and
> > be done with it.  This ain't a freakin circus.  Any more postings
> > here and you're both just wanting everyone else to see what you
> > have to say between yourselves.  Have yall forgotten this is going
> > out to 7000+ people?  How old are you guys anyway?
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 10:24 AM, Dana Beal <dana at phantom.com>
> wrote:
> > Other folks, looking at the fix I'm in, are forgiving claims for
> > broken
>  bongs.
> >
> > Dana/cnw
> >
> > On Jun 27, 2008, at 9:37 AM, Sara Glatt wrote:
> >
> > >>
> > > Dana,
> > >
> > > the amount of money is nothing to do with Preston and is not
> > > important,
> > > with any amount I will not feel ignored or lied to.
> > >
> > > it is your gesture to show some respect to yourself and me, that
> > > you  can
> > > keep your words.
> > >
> > > it is strange that you write my name on your MMM list with amount
> > > of money
> > > for a treatment with me, but then you don't know how much you
> > > should give
> > > back.
> > > if only you paid 1/4 of Denny lane treatment.(2003) you have
> > forgotten
> > > that he broke a 300$ worth of coloured glass pipe , which I never
> > > asked
> > > one cent for.
> > >
> > > that's all now, until next
>  year.
> > >
> > > Sara
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  NIck,
> > >>
> > >> Sara is being disingenuous. Why doesn't she give the list an
>
> > itemized
> > >> list of moneys that I'm supposed to owe her?
> > >>
> > >> Then I will check with the persons in question to find out if
> they
> > >> remember it being paid at the time.
> > >>
> > >> It's a long time ago, and I don't remember all the
> details.
> > >>
> > >> I think you will find that it's all about the theory that I
> owe her
> > >> some fantastic amount in punitive damages for the trouble Todd
> and
> > >> Dolly caused her.
> > >>
> > >> Dimitri tried working this out, and after I
>  sought to pay her
> > off and
> > >> she simply applied everything to Preston's treatment, he
> > concluded no
> > >> amount of money would satisfy her.
> > >>
> > >> (That was one expensive treatment.)
> > >>
> > >> BTW, it's interesting that she concurs with Alex Wodak and
> Stign
> > >> Gossens that scientific evidence of ibogaine efficacy should be
> > >> excluded from international conferences -- because I'm not
> supposed
> > >> to go to any conferences present it as long as I haven't
> satisfied
> > >> her demands, remember?
> > >>
> > >> Dr. Ken doesn't want to go to the international meth
> conference in
> > >> Prague.
> > >>
> > >> Dana/cnw
> > >>
> > >> On Jun 27, 2008, at 7:37 AM, Nick Sandberg wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Hi Dana and
>  Sara,
> > >>>
> > >>> How about you also write what you appreciate about each other
> as
> > >>> well as all
> > >>> the bitchy stuff? Just to bring in a bit of balance.
> > >>>
> > >>> Nick
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>> From: ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com [mailto:ibogaine-
> > >>>> bounces at mindvox.com]
> > >>>> On Behalf Of Sara Glatt
> > >>>> Sent: 26 June 2008 22:56
> > >>>> To: The Ibogaine List
> > >>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold?Dana get a life
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> No Dana is not a bad boy but needs to be reminded of his
> promises
> > >>>> that is
> > >>>>
> > >
> > >
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> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:01:20 -0600 (MDT)
> From: j0n at just-say-know.org
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] USA and AIDS
> To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
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> you make it sound like the fascism of the United States is some kinda
> recent development...
>
>
>
>
> btw, hi again everyone. been a while...
>
>
>
> j0n
>
>
> > <HTML><BODY   ><DIV align='left' style='
> '>That's only because the US has
> > become a fascist shite hole Charles.<br>
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > <div style='background-color: #EFE;
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> > <b>From :</b> &nbsp; Charles Rossouw
> &lt;pille at live.co.za <lt%3Bpille at live.co.za>&gt;<br>
> > <b>Date :</b> &nbsp; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 19:38:50
> +0200<br>
> > <b>To :</b> &nbsp; The Ibogaine List
> > &lt;ibogaine at mindvox.com <lt%3Bibogaine at mindvox.com>&gt;<br><b>Subject :</b>
> &nbsp; [Ibogaine] USA and
> > AIDS<br>
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> > Just something that I picked up today, in an open letter by a spokesperson
> > on
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> > &nbsp;<BR>
> > <SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY:
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 17:37:19 +0100
> From: Paul Brookshaw <jiggy9 at hotmail.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] qualities around the world/NYC-chi-town
> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
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>
> The pupose of this forum is about Iboga/Ibogaine'
>
> To continue in drug seeking/
>  exchanging or stories of drug seeking' would
> show an inability to accept change'
> Our future must differ from our past' in order for our future to be
> different' from our past'
>          (appreciated for that one Preston' it sorts out a lot)
> Exchange of these ideas privately by personal email would seem to be the only
> way foreward with Iboga/Ibogaine'
>
> Blessed Be
>
> Motamba
>
> Keep tracking the love ~ ~
>
> Outside inside Outside Out!
>
>
>
>
>
> > From: dcollier9 at cox.net
> > To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> > Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 17:40:55 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] qualities around the world/NYC-chi-town
> >
> > try Chicago much better quality than nyc, downstate (Decatur, Chatham)
> > Illinois is good too, if not better...
> >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Donzo
> > "Love converts hearts, and gives peace."
> >
>  __________________________________________________
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Preston Peet" <prestonpeet at yahoo.com>
> > To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 8:17 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] qualities around the world/NYC
> >
> >
> > LOL!!!
> > Oh Sophia,
> > I too remember first arriving in NYC from a year spent busking and
> squatting
> > and shooting in London, and boy was I seriously disappointed in the
> > difference in quality between NYC and London's H. I was told at the N.
>
> > Exchange in LES to "be careful, some of the stuff around here is very
>
> > strong," so I got all excited before banging my first NYC bag- then
> was ever
> > so seriously disappointed after getting it in me. I was no longer sick,
> but
> > I was nowhere near high/stoned/satisfied.
> > Sigh.
> >
> >
>
> >
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:13:25 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Nelson Comerci <nelson2012ad at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold?Dana get a life
> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
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> isn't capitalism how this whole human mess started?
>
> we all need to make a living.
> but some of us want to make a killing.
>
> sometimes you come ahead, sometimes you get behind.
>
> it really doesn't matter.
> and if anyone thinks it does, then there is homework to be done.
>
> lets please move on with the intention of cooperation for a greater good.
>
> humbling as it is, coming to a common point of understanding is very easy.
> just meet the other half way, not 49% and not 51%, just half way.
>
> you would be surprised what can be accomplished, fostering dignity and
> responsibility rather than resentment or guilt.
>
> dana i don't know you that well, but we put on the SF conference together a
> few years back. (i gladly lost $1,000 putting than great meeting together...)
>
> sara i have never met you but you were instrumental in helping me help many
> people in amerikkka who are still clean
>  today. (it was a shame that you blew me
> off and never answered me why you were no longer offering...)
>
> long story short, as practitioners, facilitators, researchers, activists,
> mis-users, addicts, CIA, and whoever else is on this list....we are interested
> in this Plant Teacher because we deeply know it has truth and power beyond our
> human capabilities.
>
> what we do with the little bit of truth and power that sometimes rubs off on us
> as we do the good work (CIA excluded) is important.
>
> and bickering about cash, bongs, & idiot-narcs is not conducive to coming
> to a common point of understanding.
>
> sorry for the rant.
>
>
>
>
>
> Nelson Ivan Comerci
> Licensed Acupuncturist and Herbalist
>
>
> The Future Is History
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 18:23:47 +0100
> From: "Luke Christoffersen"
>  <luke.christoffersen at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] alternative to opiate or addictive pain
> 	medication
> To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Message-ID:
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> What are the seven dragons? Can your body get a tolerance to
> acupuncture enduced endorphins?
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 2:05 AM, DC in AZ <dcollier9 at cox.net> wrote:
> > I vouch for acupuncture too, but steer clear of the seven dragons, which
> > wore me out, and I caught
> > a head cold, smile. acupuncture, if done right, and gets a 'rise'
> out of ya,
> > by getting stuck in a certain
> > way in certain places, will send the endorphins rushin in fer sure, but
> too
> > many for too long is what wears you out.
> > maybe only 6
>  dragons...
> >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Donzo
> > "Love converts hearts, and gives peace."
> > __________________________________________________
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Sara Glatt" <sara119 at xs4all.nl>
> > To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 3:45 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] alternative to opiate or addictive pain medication
> >
> >
> >> Acupuncture helped me from chronic rheumatic pains + Sallaki ointment.
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 17:24:57 +0000
>  (GMT)
> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] qualities around the world/NYC-chi-town
> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Message-ID: <926445.73559.qm at web28614.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
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>
> Exchange of personal experience/stories of drug use or usage can help the
> individual to relate to another that has gone through the same or similar
> experiences. If this means progress through iboga or other means; progress is
> what we are looking for; but to judge some one on based on the type of drugs
> they take or talk about is discriminatory.
> Its no ones business  what  we  do so long as it  does not infringe on the
> rights of others; while  having to face  severe social judgment based solely
> on ones drug of choice. Maintenance with the option to treatment should one
> choose; and the freedom to choose the form of treatment.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Paul Brookshaw <jiggy9 at hotmail.co.uk>
> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Sent: Friday, 27 June, 2008 6:37:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] qualities around the world/NYC-chi-town
>
>  The pupose of this forum is about Iboga/Ibogaine'
>
> To continue in drug seeking/ exchanging or stories of drug seeking' would
> show an inability to accept change'
> Our future must differ from our past' in order for our future to be
> different' from our past'
>          (appreciated for that one Preston' it sorts out a lot)
> Exchange of these ideas privately by personal email would seem to be the only
> way foreward with Iboga/Ibogaine'
>
> Blessed Be
>
> Motamba
>
> Keep tracking the love ~ ~
>
> Outside inside Outside Out!
>
>
>
>
>
> > From: dcollier9 at cox.net
> > To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> > Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 17:40:55 -0700
> >
>  Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] qualities around the world/NYC-chi-town
> >
> > try Chicago much better quality than nyc, downstate (Decatur, Chatham)
> > Illinois is good too, if not better...
> >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Donzo
> > "Love converts hearts, and gives peace."
> > __________________________________________________
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Preston Peet" <prestonpeet at yahoo.com>
> > To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 8:17 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] qualities around the world/NYC
> >
> >
> > LOL!!!
> > Oh Sophia,
> > I too remember first arriving in NYC from a year spent busking and
> squatting
> > and shooting in London, and boy was I seriously disappointed in the
> > difference in quality between NYC and London's H. I was
>  told at the N.
>
> > Exchange in LES to "be careful, some of the stuff around here is very
>
> > strong," so I got all excited before banging my first NYC bag- then
> was ever
> > so seriously disappointed after getting it in me. I was no longer sick,
> but
> > I was nowhere near high/stoned/satisfied.
> > Sigh.
> >
> >
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> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 18:44:41 +0100
> From: "Luke Christoffersen" <luke.christoffersen at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Ibogaine] NSAID anti-inflammatorys
> To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
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> Can NSAID painkillers be taken when using ibogaine?
>
>
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>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:10:28 +0100
> From: Paul Brookshaw <jiggy9 at hotmail.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] qualities around the world/NYC-chi-town
> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Message-ID:
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>
> The pupose of this forum is about Iboga/Ibogaine'
>
> To continue in drug seeking/ exchanging or stories of drug seeking' would
> show an inability to accept change'
> Our future must differ from our past' in order for our future to be
> different' from our past'
>          (appreciated for that one Preston' it sorts out a lot)
> Exchange of these ideas privately by personal email would seem to be the only
> way foreward with Iboga/Ibogaine'
>
> Blessed Be
>
> Motamba
>
> Keep tracking the love ~ ~
>
> Outside inside Outside Out!
>
>
>
>
>
> > From: dcollier9 at cox.net
> > To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> > Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 17:40:55 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] qualities around the world/NYC-chi-town
> >
> > try Chicago much better quality than nyc, downstate (Decatur, Chatham)
>
> > Illinois is good too, if not better...
> >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Donzo
> > "Love converts hearts, and gives peace."
> > __________________________________________________
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Preston Peet" <prestonpeet at yahoo.com>
> > To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 8:17 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] qualities around the world/NYC
> >
> >
> > LOL!!!
> > Oh Sophia,
> > I too remember first arriving in NYC from a year spent busking and
> squatting
> > and shooting in London, and boy was I seriously disappointed in the
> > difference in quality between NYC and London's H. I was told at the N.
>
> > Exchange in LES to "be careful, some of the stuff around here is very
>
> > strong," so I got all excited before
>  banging my first NYC bag- then
> was ever
> > so seriously disappointed after getting it in me. I was no longer sick,
> but
> > I was nowhere near high/stoned/satisfied.
> > Sigh.
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:33:18 -0600
> From: Matt Shriver <ibogamail at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Re: OT
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> If you mean me then yes.
>
> Warren Theriot wrote:
> > Matt, can I ask you some questions off list about Ibogaine treatments?
> > Warren
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> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:42:20 -0500
> From: Jeremy Spence <jlspence at mac.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Digest, Vol 10, Issue 305
> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> Message-ID: <18539209-BCE0-4FC4-BF88-E3A5FF87610A at mac.com>
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> I can't use I
>  lot of different medicine, they make my IC worse!! It
> has something to do with the drugs turning to acid in the body and
> most all drugs 99% do.  I have to be on a really low acid diet and low
> acid lifestyle, for some strange reason the methadone does not bother
> me, why I really don't know, its has something to do with the acid
> thought.
>
> I have a really strange disease, its not well known!  Its taken me 10
> years to get my diet perfect!!! Yea, 10 years!!
>
> I can't take a lot of medicines, it sucks!! Its crazy!!  You have no
> idea, I can't even explained to you!! I can't take much medicine at
> all, it will put me into more pain!! It's beyond what you even know!!
> Take take herbs, hardly can eat food, much less take medicine.  I wish
> I could take other medicine them the methadone, or I would!  I hate
> the methadone
>
> For some crazy ass reason, methadone is one of the only medicine that
>
> my bladder will tolerate, why I really don't for sure?
> Other then its not acidic, and most drugs natural and unrturn to
> acidy,  Its a very complex problem!  Some people who have IC can take
> a lot more then me, but through out the years I damaged the hell out
> it, by not really knowing what the hell to do!
> And it made the disease progress.
>
> The only reason I wondered about the iboga is if I healed up one day,
> for I hate coming off the damm methadone!!  I done it the hard way too
> many times, and i hate it!!!
>
> Now, understand, I would not be able to take the iboga probably right
> now because my bladder is no where near strong enough yet, but i hope
> to one day beat what I am fighting with my IC! I extremely hard though!!
>
> I am not like a normal person who has pain, I can't just take what
> ever I want for it, my bladder does not have a ling on it, and almost
> everything bother its!! Drugs,
>  chemicals, foods, I can't have
> preservatives, gluten, all kind of things that most people don't even
> think twice about putting in their bodies I can't have right now, its
> hardcore!!
>
> But after while,  after I kill myself and work like a dog with my diet
> and everything, i slow do build up and can have more things(cheat),
> but I still can't just do that forever! I still got watch, I will
> probably always have to watch what I do for the rest of my life!!
>
> But the main reason I was asking info about iboga is because have
> gotten to place many time before where I have got pain free at times
> and can handle taking almost anything(being pretty close to normal,
> its just hard for to keep), its just I got to pick and choose what I
> take carefully, and for how long I take it,  i can't take it forever,
> or my IC will come back again!!
>
> But I hopefully may get my IC into remission, but even if I do,
>  I
> still won't be to take and do, and eat things without thinking about
> it, i will have to watch how much I do or my IC will come back and
> kill me again!
>
> I doing a lot for it right now, Dieting hardcore, vitamins IV's, MSM
> IV's, aloe vera, staying away from most all chemicals, also taking MSM
> orally, and instilling it in my bladder(I know crazy, but it helps)
> None this just cures me, but it helps, and hopefully it will put me
> back into remission!!
>
> I am trying to do other things a well(mean natural treatments), but I
> got to really watch what i take because my bladder is
> sooooooooooooooooo sensitive, I mean off the scale!!!  It getting
> better though, because of everything I am doing,  I been in reemission
> a few time before, but it comes back on me.
>
> I was would love to do some iboga to help me come off this when I get
> completely better, but the thing is if I did that, I would
>  have to
> watch how long I took the stuff, for my IC can and will come back on
> me(its not just iboga, anything can basicely cause my ic to come back
> again, most drugs can and will cause my ic to come back, some kinds of
> food can do it to, most drugs, coffee, ect, ect, ect the list goes on
> and on, methadone seems to be one of the only drugs I take take
> without more pain, crazy I know!!!!!! I must stay on a really low acid
> lifestyle!! And most things are acid in this world!!! So you can
> understand what a fight I have!!!  The goal is to get to point where I
> am out of free all the time and for long time, and then try to come
> off the methadone again.  I like to try with iboga, maybe??
>
> But my bladder would have to be strong enough to come off the
> methadone for many months, let alone the iboga.  But I think it could
> be possible, because I been pretty close before, many times, I mean
> healed,
>  its just that It comes back that all.
> But, I don't think I really ever been completely, completely , healed
> you know, I don't know, its a crazy disease, people have no idea, and
> you don't want to know either!!
>
> I wish i take a other drug other then methadone, but Every time I try
> to change drugs, my bladder goes nuts!!! My bladder is very sensitive
> to chemicals when I not healed up, but when i am healed some nothing
> bothers, well until my IC comes back I mean.
> It's took me many years to figure this thing all out, and it has not
> been easy, all trail and error!!
>
> so for all the info, hope I don't bother anybody, it I do, I am sorry,
> but its still about me trying iboga one day to come off methadone, and
> that's what I thought this board was for, iboga info and help, its it
> not???
>
> Thanks to all trying to help
> See you
> JS
>
> On Jun 27, 2008, at 8:50 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com
>  wrote:
>
> > Send Ibogaine mailing list submissions to
> > 	ibogaine at mindvox.com
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> >
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> > Today's Topics:
> >
> >   1. Re: How many grams one need coming off methadone with	regular
> >      Iboga root or bark?? (shelley krupa)
> >   2. Re: Leo Finegold?Dana get a life (Sara Glatt)
> >   3. Re: Leo Finegold?Dana get a life (Dana Beal)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
>  Message: 1
> > Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 05:50:07 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: shelley krupa <skrupa20022002 at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] How many grams one need coming off methadone
> > 	with	regular Iboga root or bark??
> > To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> > Message-ID: <678421.20550.qm at web82104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > Hey Jeremy,sorry to hear about your IC,I'd probably try the
> > alternative health route(I learned acupuncture after I did
> > iboga),have you ever heard of kratom?I've read some ppl get off
> > opiates w/ it & get pain relief,however ,it can be addictive,but it
> > is legal,but I'm w/ preston,do what you need to,what about sub?-
> > seems like a person has more normalcy on it for chronic pain,-shell
> >
> > Sophia Depas <mssmdepas at gmail.com> wrote:  here here! Quite
>  agree
> > Preston!
> >
> > On 6/26/08, Preston Peet
> > wrote:
> >> Jeremy
> >> As a chronic pain patient, I can empathize.
> >> My two cents? Don't sweat being on methadone if it helps you deal
>
> >> with being alive and in so much pain. There's absolutely no reason
>
> >> why you should have to live with such pain if you have recourse to
> >> something that gives you some semblence of relief and the ability
> >> to survive.\
> >> Being physically addicted sucks, but not nearly as much as trying
> >> to live drug free AND in agonizing pain, often what happens to us
> >> who are pain ridden yet living in a prohibitionistic society that
> >> tells us the ideal is to be drug free no matter what.
> >> Best to you, and good luck.
> >> Preston
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----
> >> From: Jeremy
>  Spence
> >> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> >>
> >> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 2:58:08 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] How many grams one need coming off
> >> methadone with regular Iboga root or bark??
> >>
> >> I just was wondering???
> >>
> >> I saw that sara house video, and say said she gave him 5 grams, is
> >> that 5 gram of Iboga, or 5 grams of Ibogaine???
> >> Plus he was coming off weed, I am sure you would need a lot more for
> >> coming off methaodne would you not??
> >>
> >> I am on methadone for choric pain, I hate taking it, and i have tired
> >> many, many times to get off, but my pain is so bad with the rare
> >> disease I have that I just can't do it. Its not the withdraw, that
> >> not the reason I can't get off the methadone, its the freak en
> pain.
> >> I hope to get my bladder disease in remission again, I
>  am working my
> >> ass off with my diet and trying to doing everything possible to help
> >> myself heal, but I have a real bad case of IC(its a rare bladder
> >> disease, extremely painful, I mean like end stage cancer pain shit!!)
> >>
> >> I had it better a few times from working my ass off with the diet and
> >> natural treatments, supplements, ect, but I have so much damage from
> >> all the drugs the doctors gave me when they didn't not know what
> to
> >> do
> >> for me to eas my pain you know, but it end up causing more damage
> >> down
> >> the road.
> >>
> >> Now I am only on methadone, and no other drugs, methadone seems to be
> >> one of the only medicine that does not cause more damage to my
> >> bladder(I think because methadone does not turn to acid in the urine
> >> like most drugs do) I just got lucky finding a drug that
>  I can take
> >> for pain, but I still hate taking it with a passion!!!
> >>
> >>
> >> I was asking about Iboga dosing for methadone, I just wondered about
> >> it that all??? I can't get off the methadone right now anyways
> >> because I am in too much pain right now, but one day i hope might be
> >> pain free, for I have been very close in the past, the only thing is
> >> my cond. likes to come back really easy, that's my main problem.
> >>
> >> However, even though, I can stand to withdraw off the methadone,
> >> because I done it so many times to come off it(longest I made it was
> >> about 4 months off. but my pain came back hardcore, and I had turn
> >> around and get back on it again, sucks ass), I don't like it very
>
> >> much.
> >> I trying to research everything I can about Iboga, so if one day I am
> >> heal enough, I would
>  "maybe" see about trying to get some
> Iboga to
> >> freak en coming off the freak en methadone. I would rather use
> >> something natural to come off with anyways!!! Only thing is a live in
> >> the US(fuck up drug laws) But you know what I got to say about that,
> >> Fuck this gov!!!!! That what I got to say, These stupid ass DEA
> >> people can withdraw for 6 months and see how it's like coming off
> a
> >> drug they were force to get on because of pain!! It's not freak en
> >> fare that I should have to suffer, after what I have had to suffer
> >> already with my stupid disease!!! Those people can freak en go to
> >> hell!! That's Just my thought. My goal is to be on "NO
> medicine!!!"
> >> That's my long term goal.
> >>
> >> To all the people on here who don't have pain, Thank your lucky
> stars
> >> you don't I wish to God I
>  didn't
> >>
> >>
> >> Any info
> >> Thanks for the help
> >> JS
> >> On Jun 26, 2008, at 12:33 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote:
> >>
> >>> Send Ibogaine mailing list submissions to
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> >>> Today's Topics:
> >>>
> >>> 1. Re: Iboga films on
>  Current TV (Mark Corcoran)
> >>> 2. Re: Leo Finegold? (Preston Peet)
> >>> 3. Re: Ibogaine Re: dogs (Warren Theriot)
> >>> 4. Re: Ibogaine Re: dogs (Matt Shriver)
> >>> 5. Re: Ibogaine Re: dogs (Warren Theriot)
> >>> 6. Re: Post this to the list ASAP (Sophia Depas)
> >>> 7. Re: Leo Finegold? (Sophia Depas)
> >>> 8. Re: Ibogaine Re: dogs (Matt Shriver)
> >>> 9. Re: Leo Finegold? (Sara Glatt)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> Message: 1
> >>> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 13:47:59 -0700 (PDT)
> >>> From: Mark Corcoran
> >>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga films on Current TV
> >>
> >>> To: The Ibogaine List
> >>
> >>> Message-ID: <205646.30154.qm at web45201.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
> >>>
>  Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
> >>>
> >>> it worked.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message ----
> >>> From: simon loxton
> >>
> >>> To: The Ibogaine List
> >>
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 4:04:32 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga films on Current TV
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Do you have any say at all or are you just hoping for the best?
> >>> There is nothing worse in these types of situations than editors
> who
> >>> make the choice of what message they want to convey; I hope it
> works
> >>> for you and nothing gets used out of context.
> >>> I am sure it will be fine!
> >>> Where is it going to be shown? Is it like a channel 4 type thing?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message ----
> >>> From: Nick
>  Sandberg
> >>
> >>> To: The Ibogaine List
> >>
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, 25 June, 2008 9:54:23 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga films on Current TV
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Don?t know. Probably I look a twat, and am edited to say something
> >>> terrible and be excommunicated. That?s my mindfuck, anyway. I so
> >>> hate myself in photos and movies also. Will be grueling to watch!
> >>> Apparently it?s called ?Tripping the Habit.? The film-maker Ed
> said
> >>> he had no choice in the title.
> >>> ?
> >>> Nick
> >>> ?
> >>>
> >>> ________________________________
> >>>
> >>> From:ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com <From%3Aibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com> [mailto:ibogaine-
> >>> bounces at mindvox.com] On Behalf Of Randy Faulconer
> >>> Sent: 25 June 2008 19:34
> >>> To: The Ibogaine
>  List
> >>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga films on Current TV
> >>> ?
> >>> ??? GET DOWN WILLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We need all of the pub we can
> get.
> >>> I'm sure it is in a positive light isn't it Nick?
> >>> ?
> >>> ????????? Peace Love and Spotlights
> >>> ?????????????? Randy
> >>> On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 12:33 PM, simon loxton > > >
> wrote:
> >>> Nice one Nick;
> >>>
> >>> Look forward to it.
> >>> ?
> >>> ----- Original Message ----
> >>> From: Nick Sandberg
> >>> To: Ibogaine List
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, 25 June, 2008 6:25:35 PM
> >>> Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga films on Current TV
> >>> There are a couple of ibogaine movies coming out on Current TV
> this
> >>> week, viewable online. (2 in one week, just like buses!).
> >>> ?
> >>>
>  The first is about Sara's House and is already online at
> http://current.com/items/89043771_tripping_in_amsterdam
> >>> ?
> >>> The second is due out Thursday, tomorrow, and is by Ed Owles. Not
> >>> sure of the title but it's got me in it! Should be on this
> link
> >>> sometime Thursday or after www.current.com/wasted
> >>> ?
> >>> Nick
> >>> ?
> >>>
> >>> ________________________________
> >>>
> >>> Sent from Yahoo! Mail.
> >>> A Smarter Email.
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>> Message: 2
> >>> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:42:20 -0700 (PDT)
> >>> From: Preston Peet
> >
> >>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold?
> >>
> >>> To: The Ibogaine List
> >>
> >>> Message-ID: <347130.92289.qm at web63010.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> >>>
> >>> That's TERRIBLE!
> >>> Thanks for cluing us in. I'm so glad I didn't get that
> person
> >>> involved in my own
>  history.
> >>> You look great in that video btw Sara, very happy and healthy.
> >>> Best to you and the kids.
> >>> Peace, love and as always Lotsof respect.
> >>> Preston
> >>>
> >>
> >>> ----- Original Message ----
> >>> From: Sara Glatt
> >>> To: The Ibogaine List
> >>
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 1:29:25 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Preston,
> >>>
> >>> yes, you got it right, the person got a placebo after he paid for
> a
> >>> treatment.
> >>> it is done in the US , I got the info by email, I don't know
> the
> >>> people
> >>> personally, but the email was written with a lot of pain which
> >>> made me
> >>> react, don't think anybody would want to write to me in
>  person
> if
> >>> there
> >>> was nothing wrong. beside if I'll give you names I may get in
> >>> trouble and
> >>> I can't deal with more troubles then I'm already in from
> passed
> >>> years,
> >>> which is still in the European court for Human rights.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Then PLEASE Sara,
> >>>> Explain what you were talking about in your post about giving
> >>>> placebos
> >>>> then walking out with clients cash. Who did this, or did
> anyone?
> >>>> Are you
> >>>> posing a hypothetical?
> >>>> What were you talking about?
> >>>> Peace,
> >>>> Preston
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>> ----- Original Message ----
> >>>> From: Sara
>  Glatt
> >>>> To: The Ibogaine List
> >>
> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 12:43:50 PM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I recall that Sara and Eric would bitch at each other in the
> >>>> past. I
> >>>>> haven't
> >>>>> followed all these posts, but these are serious
> allegations so I
> >>>>> think
> >>>>> it
> >>>>> is
> >>>>> not for innuendo, Sara. If you have something like this to
> say you
> >>>>> gotta
> >>>>> be
> >>>>> absolutely straight, elsewise for me it's more about
> you than
> >>>>>
>  anyone
> >>>>> else.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Nick
> >>>>>
> >>>> Nick,
> >>>>
> >>>> I can't remember bitching about Eric Taub and never Eric
> Taub was
> >>>> bitching
> >>>> about me.? Eric is sending people to me regularly.
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't know who Leo Finegold is, But I do feel for
> someone who
> >>>> gets
> >>>> ripped off.
> >>>>
> >>>> where there is fire there is smoke. that's bizarre thing
> to say,
> >>>> hey!
> >>>>
> >>>> please Nick don't use the word IF as I'm not a child
> anymore, to my
> >>>> knowledge there is freedom of speech and freedom of opinion,
> take
> >>>> it or
> >>>> leave
>  it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Sara
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ? _____
> >>>>>
> >>>>> From: ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com
> [mailto:ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com
> >>>>> ]
> >>>>> On
> >>>>> Behalf Of Matt Shriver
> >>>>> Sent: 24 June 2008 01:23
> >>>>> To: The Ibogaine List
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Agreed.? the original message didn't make a lot of
> sense to begin
> >>>>> with
> >>>>> and
> >>>>> then Sara's remarks may or may not have had anything
> to do with
> >>>>>
>  the
> >>>>> original
> >>>>> message and since no-one who knows wtf any of this is
> about feels
> >>>>> like
> >>>>> elaborating I think it would be completely irresponsible
> to go off
> >>>>> shit
> >>>>> talking Eric or anyone else.? If someone has a real issue
> with
> >>>>> someone
> >>>>> else
> >>>>> then they should come right out and say it.? Sideways talk
> and
> >>>>> innuendo
> >>>>> is
> >>>>> not productive.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Matt
> >>>>>
> >>>>> m.finman wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Maybe it has nothing to do with anyone who works with Eric
> and the
> >>>>> underground, who I have the highest regard and praise
> for,?
>  maybe
> >>>>> there
> >>>>> could be some unscrupulous junkie type representing
> themselves as
> >>>>> such
> >>>>> and
> >>>>> scamming and ripping off but aside from all that I
> don't believe
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> original message to leo finegold had anything to do with
> ripping
> >>>>> off
> >>>>> necessarily....sounded like one really disgruntled unhappy
> person
> >>>>> trying
> >>>>> to
> >>>>> make contact.? ? So I am not going to try and fill in
> 99.99% of
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> blanks
> >>>>> that could complete this scenario.? This is how the
> telephone game
> >>>>> from
> >>>>> kindergarten worked as well.
> >>>>> Just my view on
>  things,
> >>>>> Martee
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> From: "Krista Vaughan"?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> To: "The Ibogaine List"?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 6:19 PM
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Before everyone starts a lynching party, Sara often writes
>
> >>>>> bizarre,
> >>>>> cryptic messages lashing out at people. Maybe someone from
> the
> >>>>> underground who works with eric taub did rip someone off,
> but
> >>>>> isn't
> >>>>> Eric Taub at least somewhat respected and regarded as
> someone who
> >>>>> has
> >>>>> been working with ibogaine for a
>  long time?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Who is it that Eric is supposed to have done that to? That
> sounds
> >>>>> really mean and harsh.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Love to all
> >>>>>
> >>>>> KV
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 4:55 PM, Charles Rossouw
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> > wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hey Dave
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have never seen his name, but according to the original
> post
> >>>>> by Mr
> >>>>> Goldstein, he may operate under a false name.? OOOHHH so
> >>>>> dangerous.? And
> >>>>> then Sara is not in any position to disclose his identity!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Oh goodness.? I
>  had to give in to the acute, but short,
> chuckle
> >>>>> again.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Mr Finegold - Do NOT ever carry an odour of marijuana!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Charles
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:26:03 -0400
> >>
> >>>>> From: davebroc at gmail.com
> >>>>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> >>
> >>>>> Subject: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> a dumb question mebbe, but after seeing 50 msgs about Leo
> Finegold
> >>>>> and
> >>>>> ripping off people who need treatment, i've got one
> question- who
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> fuck is leo finegold? does he post
>  here???
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -broc
> >>>>>
> >>
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> >>> Message: 3
> >>> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:19:21 -0700
> >>> From: Warren Theriot
> >>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Re: dogs
> >>
> >>> To: The
>  Ibogaine List
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> >>> Message-ID: <8EE5067D-402F-45DE-ACB7-848DAC05267B at ca.rr.com>
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed;
> delsp=yes
> >>>
> >>> My problem with the dog barking was resolved this morning. At the
> >>> animal services department, we both came to a mutual understanding
>
> >>> and
> >>> I don't hold any bad feelings against the dog or the neighbor
> now.
> >>> The
> >>> lady who ran the hearing was also very understanding of my point
> of
> >>> view unlike the person who arbitrated another meeting with another
> >>> neighbor 4 years ago. But the increased efforts of the neighbor to
> >>> keep his dog quiet after midnight the last 2 weeks has really
> helped
> >>> me to calm down so I didn't feel the need to keep pressing the
> issue
> >>> today after
>  we talked it out. I still think the Iboga spirits have
> >>> helped the whole situation at least in my head.
> >>>
> >>> Peace,
> >>> Warren
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> Message: 4
> >>> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:52:23 -0600
> >>> From: Matt Shriver
> >>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Re: dogs
> >>
> >>> To: The Ibogaine List
> >>
> >>> Message-ID: <4862DA37.2080500 at gmail.com>
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >>>
> >>> Right on Warren. I'm glad to hear that.
> >>>
> >>> Matt
> >>>
> >>> Warren Theriot wrote:
> >>>> My problem with the dog barking was resolved this morning. At
> the
> >>>> animal
>  services department, we both came to a mutual
> understanding
> >>>> and
> >>>> I don't hold any bad feelings against the dog or the
> neighbor now.
> >>>> The
> >>>> lady who ran the hearing was also very understanding of my
> point of
> >>>> view unlike the person who arbitrated another meeting with
> another
> >>>> neighbor 4 years ago. But the increased efforts of the
> neighbor to
> >>>> keep his dog quiet after midnight the last 2 weeks has really
>
> >>>> helped
> >>>> me to calm down so I didn't feel the need to keep pressing
> the
> >>>> issue
> >>>> today after we talked it out. I still think the Iboga spirits
> have
> >>>> helped the whole situation at least in my head.
> >>>>
> >>>> Peace,
> >>>>
>  Warren
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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> >>> Message: 5
> >>> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:03:09 -0700
> >>> From: Warren Theriot
> >>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Re: dogs
> >>
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> > Message: 2
> > Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:37:01 +0200 (CEST)
> > From: "Sara Glatt" <sara119 at xs4all.nl>
> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold?Dana get a life
> > To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> > Message-ID:
> <19664.80.127.42.14.1214573821.squirrel at webmail.xs4all.nl>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
> >
> >>
> > Dana,
> >
> > the amount of money is nothing to do with Preston and is not
> > important,
> > with any amount I will not feel ignored or lied to.
> >
> > it is your gesture to show some respect to yourself and me, that
> > you  can
> > keep your words.
> >
> > it is strange that you write my name on your MMM list with amount of
> > money
> >
>  for a treatment with me, but then you don't know how much you should
> > give
> > back.
> > if only you paid 1/4 of Denny lane treatment.(2003) you have forgotten
> > that he broke a 300$ worth of coloured glass pipe , which I never
> > asked
> > one cent for.
> >
> > that's all now, until next year.
> >
> > Sara
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > NIck,
> >>
> >> Sara is being disingenuous. Why doesn't she give the list an
> itemized
> >> list of moneys that I'm supposed to owe her?
> >>
> >> Then I will check with the persons in question to find out if they
> >> remember it being paid at the time.
> >>
> >> It's a long time ago, and I don't remember all the details.
> >>
> >> I think you will find that it's all about the theory that I owe
> her
> >> some
>  fantastic amount in punitive damages for the trouble Todd and
> >> Dolly caused her.
> >>
> >> Dimitri tried working this out, and after I sought to pay her off and
> >> she simply applied everything to Preston's treatment, he concluded
> no
> >> amount of money would satisfy her.
> >>
> >> (That was one expensive treatment.)
> >>
> >> BTW, it's interesting that she concurs with Alex Wodak and Stign
> >> Gossens that scientific evidence of ibogaine efficacy should be
> >> excluded from international conferences -- because I'm not
> supposed
> >> to go to any conferences present it as long as I haven't satisfied
> >> her demands, remember?
> >>
> >> Dr. Ken doesn't want to go to the international meth conference in
> >> Prague.
> >>
> >> Dana/cnw
> >>
> >> On Jun 27, 2008, at 7:37 AM, Nick Sandberg
>  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Dana and Sara,
> >>>
> >>> How about you also write what you appreciate about each other as
> >>> well as all
> >>> the bitchy stuff? Just to bring in a bit of balance.
> >>>
> >>> Nick
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com [mailto:ibogaine-
> >>>> bounces at mindvox.com]
> >>>> On Behalf Of Sara Glatt
> >>>> Sent: 26 June 2008 22:56
> >>>> To: The Ibogaine List
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold?Dana get a life
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> No Dana is not a bad boy but needs to be reminded of his
> promises
> >>>> that is
> >>>>
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Fri,
>  27 Jun 2008 09:49:34 -0400
> > From: Dana Beal <dana at phantom.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold?Dana get a life
> > To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> > Message-ID: <32CD3357-C0A9-4556-96C9-95717736802D at phantom.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > I want this all done publicly, so everything is absolutely clear, and
> > I don't get double-billed or hit with additional charges when I begin
> > to breath a sigh of relief because I think it's all cleared up.
> >
> > Tell them it's about Todd and Dolly, Sara.
> >
> > Dana/cnw
> >
> > On Jun 27, 2008, at 8:19 AM, Brad Hays wrote:
> >
> >> Dana and Sara I have a request of you guys too.  I don't like this
> >> adversarial stuff around the ibo list and I'd like to see some
> >> unity, cause we all got too many adversaries to be fighting amongst
> >>
>  ourselves.  Would yall mind thinking about what you're thankful
> >> for? and what you're thankful for about each other?  There are
> >> other ways of looking at this.  This cause is bigger than any of us
> >> and is too great to let ourselves get side tracked by stuff like
> >> freakin money.  If an ambiguous wrong was done years ago then I'm
> >> truly sorry, I am, but it has only been based on what ibo teaches
> >> us isn't to be worried about.  Feel your hearts beating and think
> >> about where you personally want to go.  Please let this subside no
> >> matter what the zeros.  Thank you from everybody here.  I've seen
> >> your faces and they're not meant to be against each other.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 7:37 AM, Nick Sandberg
> >> <nick227 at tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> >> Hi Dana and Sara,
> >>
> >> How about
>  you also write what you appreciate about each other as
> >> well as all
> >> the bitchy stuff? Just to bring in a bit of balance.
> >>
> >> Nick
> >>
> >>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com [mailto:ibogaine-
> >> bounces at mindvox.com]
> >>> On Behalf Of Sara Glatt
> >>> Sent: 26 June 2008 22:56
> >>> To: The Ibogaine List
> >>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold?Dana get a life
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> No Dana is not a bad boy but needs to be reminded of his promises
> >> that is
> >>> all. you can sweep the dirt under the carpet but it will not go
> way.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Ooh Sarah
> >>>>
> >>>> You were one of the people who taught me when I started off
> with
> >>> Ibogaine.
> >>>>
>  I still appreciate and remember your teachings.  Also your
> >> unequalled
> >>>> hospitality when I visited you for a day 18 months or so ago.
> >>>>
> >>>> But - Dana being a bad boy?
> >>>>
> >>>> I also experienced his hospitality and his kindness.  Albeit
> in
> >>> Washington
> >>>> DC, with the mother of his son and their family.  We all chose
> >> to do
> >>> this
> >>>> thing.  Lets just do it.  Without the vibes that keep
> >> interfering with
> >>> our
> >>>> lives.
> >>>>
> >>>> Love and respect
> >>>>
> >>>> Charles> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 23:22:52 +0200> From:
> >> sara119 at xs4all.nl>
> >>>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo
> Finegold?
> >> Dana get
> >>>
>  a
> >>>> life> > >> Dana,> > there is no excuse to
> blow up and throw
> >> shit at me>
> >>>> you probably know that a small amount of extract+treatment
> >> still cost
> >>> me>
> >>>> money, time, space, and energy which I can use for someone
> >> else.> >
> >>> please
> >>>> don't turn things around I'm not a fool, crazy or a
> lair.> > I
> >> have
> >>> talked
> >>>> to Denny lane and I'm not the only one who has problems
> with> your
> >>>> aggressive reactions, if you have paid for his treatment then
> >> he> would
> >>>> have known, but he doesn't and he is no dummy.> >
> Denny lane is
> >> saving
> >>>> money to come back here to do another iboga session> and
> pay
> >> for what
> >>>
>  you
> >>>> haven't, because he is honest+he cares about me and> my
> family
> >> as much
> >>> as
> >>>> I for him.> > > I admit that it was stupid of me to
> trust you
> >> with Dolly
> >>>> and Todd, that> was my mistake, I never ever should have
> open
> >> my house
> >>> for
> >>>> those and other> demons, but then> 2012 is coming soon,
> the
> >> world as we
> >>>> know it will end and money will be> worthless.> >
> what
> >> reputation you
> >>>> have? I was told about your reputation by Jack Herer> who
> >> stayed here
> >>> for
> >>>> a week and other people from NORML, if anyone is doing> you
> >> wrong that
> >>>> yourself, if you approach people with kindness you will
> not>
> >> need to>
> >>>
>  blow
> >>>> up like that assume things you have no prove of, get a
> life.> >
> >> Sara> >
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> I paid in full for
> >> every one of
> >>>> those treatments except the 12> > steppers who turned
> you into
> >> the cops
> >>>> for growing pot. Paid in full.> > Every time. (Though
> how you
> >> could
> >>> charge
> >>>> full price for Aivia or> > Tracy doing a small amount of
> >> extract is
> >>>> troubling, to say the least.)> >> > You just want
> me to pay
> >> tens of
> >>>> thousands of dollars for Todd &> > Dolly, who you
> should have
> >> screened
> >>> out
> >>>> yourself. You should have> > sent them home the
>  second
> it
> >> became clear
> >>>> that they wanted to move in> > on you and they had no
> intention
> >> of doing
> >>>> the ibogaine.> >> > I don't refer people to
> you any more
> >> because I do
> >>> only
> >>>> the most> > cursory screening on the phone, and I cannot
> be
> >> responsible
> >>>> for> > completely unforeseeable events.> >>
> > I am not an
> >> insurance
> >>>> company.> >> > Except for Todd and Dolly, you
> can't even
> >> quantify how
> >>> much
> >>>> is owed.> > Because I sent the money, and then you
> claimed it
> >> didn't
> >>>> count. That> > it was still owed.> >> >
> Check with Preston, the
> >> last
> >>>> person to come from here. His was paid> > in
>  full, for
> what
> >> good it
> >>> does.>
> >>>>>>> Of course, he could have pocketed the money.>
> >> > I'm
> >> really in a
> >>>> jam. I'm tired of being trashed by you. I will not>
> > pay you a
> >> cent
> >>>> further because of the damage you continue to do to my>
> >
> >> reputation.>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I try to settle all reasonable claims. But I do not
> respond
> >> well to> >
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