[Ibogaine] Ibogaine Digest, Vol 10, Issue 308

Adam Nodelman jonathanswiftboat at yahoo.com
Tue Jul 8 00:35:09 EDT 2008


whoa...

----- Original Message ----
From: valerie <ouivalerie at yahoo.com>
To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, July 7, 2008 11:20:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Digest, Vol 10, Issue 308


Debts and Anger:
I see the broken bong issue and the replacement is the responsibility of the one who broke it. But they seldom want to pay it forward, if you forgive them they often look you up and pay one day when they figure it out...ESPECIALLY the addicts living in the moment and try and get on over on anyone and everyone...I think ibogaine would work better if you don't hang on to the past.  All the people that got robbed in their homes, and can't sue the addict...they are out there too...the addict is so well known to say and do ANYTHING for the next fix alone...scared of pain...drug always comes first.  SO CRAZY to assume and put people out with the burden of  illegal.  Homeowners and renters can't help you break the law 3 times a day, 3 fixes a day....what a lot of burden to the leaseholder, and homeowners...to worry about losing a home.  THEY DO TAKE THE HOMES AWAY ON THIS OFTEN!!!  THE DOPE DEALER should supply a place for this shit like the bars do for liquor!
  If this isn't reason enough to get your ibogaine, and work and pay to stay off illegal drugs so your world doesn't get real secret, sneaky and small, then I gotta say, the person may deserve the great pain, because what do they think they are to other's?  An asset they are not!...  I can see they don't know...their KARMA is getting worse and longer to repent...each fix...is a block on your responsibility to get off the stuff or move out on the street and take your staph infection, sugar cravings, cellulitis, hepatitis, and diabetes with you!  Scream that everybody is mean and nasty and learn...that's what you get for day after day after day of bothering people with intent to be doing nothing but drugs when only certain seedy, sneaky, persons and carrier pidgeons can be your friends.  How we keep our home is to get rid of dope...Sure addicts want to hope things are none of the buisness of the neighbors, police, and hide under privacy laws, taking
 advantage of a respected straight person. They want just one more fix, just one more day...just pay for dope and STIFF OR IGNORE anyone else that needs money from them. WHY can't they see how RUDE the drug has made them how deep into taking though aggressive begging, even stealing? It's a path to little help from people  except from the snotty young runners that think the big dope man is going to make them rich one day...so your have to put up with their plans to be a big criminal, so you not doing them any real favors to tie up their time on a bad path for themselves to earn money. Circumstances are what they are, some things can't change anytime soon so...it's so important to take ibogaine and be over with this drug even the doctor's can't get it for anyone....and all the people that the addict clicks with are hurting all the people you can be real with because they are sneakily depending on you to be their friend, their buisness, and their territory,
 while your real life with people that enjoy who you are,  is slipping away into something that didn't need to be, the drug is a great kidnapper, I'm not saying people can't have it once a month for a good time...
but I can see the addicts are such hardcore mindsets...who often don't want to live anyway...they don't like what they have... no more, if that sounds like poor english I mean to say, what they have is NO MORE other than the opportunity to learn to give...try being a 24/7 mother and find out...what you get...giving works out for the better after all. My mom died of horrible pancreatic cancer(the most painful one known), the worst one ever seen, ON NO DRUGS BUT ASPIRIN! She knew how to give and conquer mind over matter.
~ouivalerie at yahoo.com

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   1. Re: Leo Finegold?Dana get a life (Dana Beal)
   2. Re: USA and AIDS (j0n at just-say-know.org)
   3. Re: qualities around the world/NYC-chi-town (Paul Brookshaw)
   4. Re: Leo Finegold?Dana get a life (Nelson Comerci)
   5. Re: alternative to opiate or addictive pain medication
      (Luke Christoffersen)
   6. Re: qualities around the world/NYC-chi-town (simon loxton)
   7. NSAID anti-inflammatorys (Luke Christoffersen)
   8. Re: qualities around the world/NYC-chi-town (Paul Brookshaw)
   9. Re: Ibogaine Re: OT (Matt Shriver)
  10. Re: Ibogaine Digest, Vol 10, Issue 305 (Jeremy Spence)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:54:27 -0400
From: Dana Beal <dana at phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold?Dana get a life
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
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Yeah, but to continue the sniping and innuendo for years over a  
broken BONG?

The point is that this can't be settled privately. It's been tried  
numerous times. I want Sara to cease and desist.

I'm appealing to a jury of my peers--the LIst--for a settlement of  
this dispute.

Dana/cnw


On Jun 27, 2008, at 11:01 AM, Brad Hays wrote:

> I don't give a shit.  Get this crap off the list and deal with it  
> yourselves.  You both have each other's emails.  Get together and  
> be done with it.  This ain't a freakin circus.  Any more postings  
> here and you're both just wanting everyone else to see what you  
> have to say between yourselves.  Have yall forgotten this is going  
> out to 7000+ people?  How old are you guys anyway?
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 10:24 AM, Dana Beal <dana at phantom.com>
wrote:
> Other folks, looking at the fix I'm in, are forgiving claims for
> broken bongs.
>
> Dana/cnw
>
> On Jun 27, 2008, at 9:37 AM, Sara Glatt wrote:
>
> >>
> > Dana,
> >
> > the amount of money is nothing to do with Preston and is not
> > important,
> > with any amount I will not feel ignored or lied to.
> >
> > it is your gesture to show some respect to yourself and me, that
> > you  can
> > keep your words.
> >
> > it is strange that you write my name on your MMM list with amount
> > of money
> > for a treatment with me, but then you don't know how much you
> > should give
> > back.
> > if only you paid 1/4 of Denny lane treatment.(2003) you have  
> forgotten
> > that he broke a 300$ worth of coloured glass pipe , which I never
> > asked
> > one cent for.
> >
> > that's all now, until next year.
> >
> > Sara
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  NIck,
> >>
> >> Sara is being disingenuous. Why doesn't she give the list an 

> itemized
> >> list of moneys that I'm supposed to owe her?
> >>
> >> Then I will check with the persons in question to find out if
they
> >> remember it being paid at the time.
> >>
> >> It's a long time ago, and I don't remember all the
details.
> >>
> >> I think you will find that it's all about the theory that I
owe her
> >> some fantastic amount in punitive damages for the trouble Todd
and
> >> Dolly caused her.
> >>
> >> Dimitri tried working this out, and after I sought to pay her  
> off and
> >> she simply applied everything to Preston's treatment, he  
> concluded no
> >> amount of money would satisfy her.
> >>
> >> (That was one expensive treatment.)
> >>
> >> BTW, it's interesting that she concurs with Alex Wodak and
Stign
> >> Gossens that scientific evidence of ibogaine efficacy should be
> >> excluded from international conferences -- because I'm not
supposed
> >> to go to any conferences present it as long as I haven't
satisfied
> >> her demands, remember?
> >>
> >> Dr. Ken doesn't want to go to the international meth
conference in
> >> Prague.
> >>
> >> Dana/cnw
> >>
> >> On Jun 27, 2008, at 7:37 AM, Nick Sandberg wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Dana and Sara,
> >>>
> >>> How about you also write what you appreciate about each other
as
> >>> well as all
> >>> the bitchy stuff? Just to bring in a bit of balance.
> >>>
> >>> Nick
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com [mailto:ibogaine-
> >>>> bounces at mindvox.com]
> >>>> On Behalf Of Sara Glatt
> >>>> Sent: 26 June 2008 22:56
> >>>> To: The Ibogaine List
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold?Dana get a life
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> No Dana is not a bad boy but needs to be reminded of his
promises
> >>>> that is
> >>>>
> >
> >
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:01:20 -0600 (MDT)
From: j0n at just-say-know.org
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] USA and AIDS
To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
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you make it sound like the fascism of the United States is some kinda
recent development...




btw, hi again everyone. been a while...



j0n


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> <b>Date :</b> &nbsp; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 19:38:50
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> <b>To :</b> &nbsp; The Ibogaine List
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 17:37:19 +0100
From: Paul Brookshaw <jiggy9 at hotmail.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] qualities around the world/NYC-chi-town
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Message-ID: <BLU143-W1199CC5899F2E69FC2E911D1A20 at phx.gbl>
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The pupose of this forum is about Iboga/Ibogaine'

To continue in drug seeking/ exchanging or stories of drug seeking' would
show an inability to accept change'
Our future must differ from our past' in order for our future to be
different' from our past'
         (appreciated for that one Preston' it sorts out a lot)
Exchange of these ideas privately by personal email would seem to be the only
way foreward with Iboga/Ibogaine'

Blessed Be

Motamba

Keep tracking the love ~ ~

Outside inside Outside Out!





> From: dcollier9 at cox.net
> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 17:40:55 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] qualities around the world/NYC-chi-town
> 
> try Chicago much better quality than nyc, downstate (Decatur, Chatham) 
> Illinois is good too, if not better...
>
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Donzo
> "Love converts hearts, and gives peace."
> __________________________________________________
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Preston Peet" <prestonpeet at yahoo.com>
> To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 8:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] qualities around the world/NYC
> 
> 
> LOL!!!
> Oh Sophia,
> I too remember first arriving in NYC from a year spent busking and
squatting 
> and shooting in London, and boy was I seriously disappointed in the 
> difference in quality between NYC and London's H. I was told at the N.

> Exchange in LES to "be careful, some of the stuff around here is very

> strong," so I got all excited before banging my first NYC bag- then
was ever 
> so seriously disappointed after getting it in me. I was no longer sick,
but 
> I was nowhere near high/stoned/satisfied.
> Sigh.
> 
> 
>  
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:13:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: Nelson Comerci <nelson2012ad at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold?Dana get a life
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Message-ID: <827899.94367.qm at web34502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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isn't capitalism how this whole human mess started?

we all need to make a living.
but some of us want to make a killing.

sometimes you come ahead, sometimes you get behind.  

it really doesn't matter.
and if anyone thinks it does, then there is homework to be done.

lets please move on with the intention of cooperation for a greater good.

humbling as it is, coming to a common point of understanding is very easy.
just meet the other half way, not 49% and not 51%, just half way.

you would be surprised what can be accomplished, fostering dignity and
responsibility rather than resentment or guilt.

dana i don't know you that well, but we put on the SF conference together a
few years back. (i gladly lost $1,000 putting than great meeting together...)

sara i have never met you but you were instrumental in helping me help many
people in amerikkka who are still clean today. (it was a shame that you blew me
off and never answered me why you were no longer offering...)

long story short, as practitioners, facilitators, researchers, activists,
mis-users, addicts, CIA, and whoever else is on this list....we are interested
in this Plant Teacher because we deeply know it has truth and power beyond our
human capabilities. 

what we do with the little bit of truth and power that sometimes rubs off on us
as we do the good work (CIA excluded) is important.

and bickering about cash, bongs, & idiot-narcs is not conducive to coming
to a common point of understanding.

sorry for the rant.





Nelson Ivan Comerci
Licensed Acupuncturist and Herbalist


The Future Is History








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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 18:23:47 +0100
From: "Luke Christoffersen" <luke.christoffersen at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] alternative to opiate or addictive pain
	medication
To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Message-ID:
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What are the seven dragons? Can your body get a tolerance to
acupuncture enduced endorphins?


On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 2:05 AM, DC in AZ <dcollier9 at cox.net> wrote:
> I vouch for acupuncture too, but steer clear of the seven dragons, which
> wore me out, and I caught
> a head cold, smile. acupuncture, if done right, and gets a 'rise'
out of ya,
> by getting stuck in a certain
> way in certain places, will send the endorphins rushin in fer sure, but
too
> many for too long is what wears you out.
> maybe only 6 dragons...
>
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Donzo
> "Love converts hearts, and gives peace."
> __________________________________________________
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sara Glatt" <sara119 at xs4all.nl>
> To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 3:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] alternative to opiate or addictive pain medication
>
>
>> Acupuncture helped me from chronic rheumatic pains + Sallaki ointment.
>>
>
>
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 17:24:57 +0000 (GMT)
From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] qualities around the world/NYC-chi-town
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Message-ID: <926445.73559.qm at web28614.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
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Exchange of personal experience/stories of drug use or usage can help the
individual to relate to another that has gone through the same or similar
experiences. If this means progress through iboga or other means; progress is
what we are looking for; but to judge some one on based on the type of drugs
they take or talk about is discriminatory. 
Its no ones business  what  we  do so long as it  does not infringe on the
rights of others; while  having to face  severe social judgment based solely 
on ones drug of choice. Maintenance with the option to treatment should one
choose; and the freedom to choose the form of treatment. 


----- Original Message ----
From: Paul Brookshaw <jiggy9 at hotmail.co.uk>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, 27 June, 2008 6:37:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] qualities around the world/NYC-chi-town

 The pupose of this forum is about Iboga/Ibogaine'

To continue in drug seeking/ exchanging or stories of drug seeking' would
show an inability to accept change'
Our future must differ from our past' in order for our future to be
different' from our past'
         (appreciated for that one Preston' it sorts out a lot)
Exchange of these ideas privately by personal email would seem to be the only
way foreward with Iboga/Ibogaine'

Blessed Be

Motamba

Keep tracking the love ~ ~

Outside inside Outside Out!





> From: dcollier9 at cox.net
> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 17:40:55 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] qualities around the world/NYC-chi-town
> 
> try Chicago much better quality than nyc, downstate (Decatur, Chatham) 
> Illinois is good too, if not better...
>
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Donzo
> "Love converts hearts, and gives peace."
> __________________________________________________
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Preston Peet" <prestonpeet at yahoo.com>
> To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 8:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] qualities around the world/NYC
> 
> 
> LOL!!!
> Oh Sophia,
> I too remember first arriving in NYC from a year spent busking and
squatting 
> and shooting in London, and boy was I seriously disappointed in the 
> difference in quality between NYC and London's H. I was told at the N.

> Exchange in LES to "be careful, some of the stuff around here is very

> strong," so I got all excited before banging my first NYC bag- then
was ever 
> so seriously disappointed after getting it in me. I was no longer sick,
but 
> I was nowhere near high/stoned/satisfied.
> Sigh.
> 
> 
> 
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 18:44:41 +0100
From: "Luke Christoffersen" <luke.christoffersen at gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] NSAID anti-inflammatorys
To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
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Can NSAID painkillers be taken when using ibogaine?


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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:10:28 +0100
From: Paul Brookshaw <jiggy9 at hotmail.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] qualities around the world/NYC-chi-town
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Message-ID: <BLU143-W15D2A5E2F1C8151A812061D1A20 at phx.gbl>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"


The pupose of this forum is about Iboga/Ibogaine'

To continue in drug seeking/ exchanging or stories of drug seeking' would
show an inability to accept change'
Our future must differ from our past' in order for our future to be
different' from our past'
         (appreciated for that one Preston' it sorts out a lot)
Exchange of these ideas privately by personal email would seem to be the only
way foreward with Iboga/Ibogaine'

Blessed Be

Motamba

Keep tracking the love ~ ~

Outside inside Outside Out!





> From: dcollier9 at cox.net
> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 17:40:55 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] qualities around the world/NYC-chi-town
> 
> try Chicago much better quality than nyc, downstate (Decatur, Chatham) 
> Illinois is good too, if not better...
>
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Donzo
> "Love converts hearts, and gives peace."
> __________________________________________________
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Preston Peet" <prestonpeet at yahoo.com>
> To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 8:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] qualities around the world/NYC
> 
> 
> LOL!!!
> Oh Sophia,
> I too remember first arriving in NYC from a year spent busking and
squatting 
> and shooting in London, and boy was I seriously disappointed in the 
> difference in quality between NYC and London's H. I was told at the N.

> Exchange in LES to "be careful, some of the stuff around here is very

> strong," so I got all excited before banging my first NYC bag- then
was ever 
> so seriously disappointed after getting it in me. I was no longer sick,
but 
> I was nowhere near high/stoned/satisfied.
> Sigh.
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From: Matt Shriver <ibogamail at gmail.com>
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If you mean me then yes. 

Warren Theriot wrote:
> Matt, can I ask you some questions off list about Ibogaine treatments?
> Warren
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:42:20 -0500
From: Jeremy Spence <jlspence at mac.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Digest, Vol 10, Issue 305
To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
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I can't use I lot of different medicine, they make my IC worse!! It  
has something to do with the drugs turning to acid in the body and  
most all drugs 99% do.  I have to be on a really low acid diet and low  
acid lifestyle, for some strange reason the methadone does not bother  
me, why I really don't know, its has something to do with the acid  
thought.

I have a really strange disease, its not well known!  Its taken me 10  
years to get my diet perfect!!! Yea, 10 years!!

I can't take a lot of medicines, it sucks!! Its crazy!!  You have no  
idea, I can't even explained to you!! I can't take much medicine at  
all, it will put me into more pain!! It's beyond what you even know!!  
Take take herbs, hardly can eat food, much less take medicine.  I wish  
I could take other medicine them the methadone, or I would!  I hate  
the methadone

For some crazy ass reason, methadone is one of the only medicine that  
my bladder will tolerate, why I really don't for sure?
Other then its not acidic, and most drugs natural and unrturn to  
acidy,  Its a very complex problem!  Some people who have IC can take  
a lot more then me, but through out the years I damaged the hell out  
it, by not really knowing what the hell to do!
And it made the disease progress.

The only reason I wondered about the iboga is if I healed up one day,  
for I hate coming off the damm methadone!!  I done it the hard way too  
many times, and i hate it!!!

Now, understand, I would not be able to take the iboga probably right  
now because my bladder is no where near strong enough yet, but i hope  
to one day beat what I am fighting with my IC! I extremely hard though!!

I am not like a normal person who has pain, I can't just take what  
ever I want for it, my bladder does not have a ling on it, and almost  
everything bother its!! Drugs, chemicals, foods, I can't have  
preservatives, gluten, all kind of things that most people don't even  
think twice about putting in their bodies I can't have right now, its  
hardcore!!

But after while,  after I kill myself and work like a dog with my diet  
and everything, i slow do build up and can have more things(cheat),  
but I still can't just do that forever! I still got watch, I will  
probably always have to watch what I do for the rest of my life!!

But the main reason I was asking info about iboga is because have  
gotten to place many time before where I have got pain free at times  
and can handle taking almost anything(being pretty close to normal,  
its just hard for to keep), its just I got to pick and choose what I  
take carefully, and for how long I take it,  i can't take it forever,  
or my IC will come back again!!

But I hopefully may get my IC into remission, but even if I do, I  
still won't be to take and do, and eat things without thinking about  
it, i will have to watch how much I do or my IC will come back and  
kill me again!

I doing a lot for it right now, Dieting hardcore, vitamins IV's, MSM  
IV's, aloe vera, staying away from most all chemicals, also taking MSM  
orally, and instilling it in my bladder(I know crazy, but it helps)  
None this just cures me, but it helps, and hopefully it will put me  
back into remission!!

I am trying to do other things a well(mean natural treatments), but I  
got to really watch what i take because my bladder is  
sooooooooooooooooo sensitive, I mean off the scale!!!  It getting  
better though, because of everything I am doing,  I been in reemission  
a few time before, but it comes back on me.

I was would love to do some iboga to help me come off this when I get  
completely better, but the thing is if I did that, I would have to  
watch how long I took the stuff, for my IC can and will come back on  
me(its not just iboga, anything can basicely cause my ic to come back  
again, most drugs can and will cause my ic to come back, some kinds of  
food can do it to, most drugs, coffee, ect, ect, ect the list goes on  
and on, methadone seems to be one of the only drugs I take take  
without more pain, crazy I know!!!!!! I must stay on a really low acid  
lifestyle!! And most things are acid in this world!!! So you can  
understand what a fight I have!!!  The goal is to get to point where I  
am out of free all the time and for long time, and then try to come  
off the methadone again.  I like to try with iboga, maybe??

But my bladder would have to be strong enough to come off the  
methadone for many months, let alone the iboga.  But I think it could  
be possible, because I been pretty close before, many times, I mean  
healed, its just that It comes back that all.
But, I don't think I really ever been completely, completely , healed  
you know, I don't know, its a crazy disease, people have no idea, and  
you don't want to know either!!

I wish i take a other drug other then methadone, but Every time I try  
to change drugs, my bladder goes nuts!!! My bladder is very sensitive  
to chemicals when I not healed up, but when i am healed some nothing  
bothers, well until my IC comes back I mean.
It's took me many years to figure this thing all out, and it has not  
been easy, all trail and error!!

so for all the info, hope I don't bother anybody, it I do, I am sorry,  
but its still about me trying iboga one day to come off methadone, and  
that's what I thought this board was for, iboga info and help, its it  
not???

Thanks to all trying to help
See you
JS

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> From: shelley krupa <skrupa20022002 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] How many grams one need coming off methadone
> 	with	regular Iboga root or bark??
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> Hey Jeremy,sorry to hear about your IC,I'd probably try the  
> alternative health route(I learned acupuncture after I did  
> iboga),have you ever heard of kratom?I've read some ppl get off  
> opiates w/ it & get pain relief,however ,it can be addictive,but it  
> is legal,but I'm w/ preston,do what you need to,what about sub?- 
> seems like a person has more normalcy on it for chronic pain,-shell
>
> Sophia Depas <mssmdepas at gmail.com> wrote:  here here! Quite agree  
> Preston!
>
> On 6/26/08, Preston Peet
> wrote:
>> Jeremy
>> As a chronic pain patient, I can empathize.
>> My two cents? Don't sweat being on methadone if it helps you deal 

>> with being alive and in so much pain. There's absolutely no reason

>> why you should have to live with such pain if you have recourse to  
>> something that gives you some semblence of relief and the ability  
>> to survive.\
>> Being physically addicted sucks, but not nearly as much as trying  
>> to live drug free AND in agonizing pain, often what happens to us  
>> who are pain ridden yet living in a prohibitionistic society that  
>> tells us the ideal is to be drug free no matter what.
>> Best to you, and good luck.
>> Preston
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Jeremy Spence
>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
>>
>> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 2:58:08 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] How many grams one need coming off  
>> methadone with regular Iboga root or bark??
>>
>> I just was wondering???
>>
>> I saw that sara house video, and say said she gave him 5 grams, is
>> that 5 gram of Iboga, or 5 grams of Ibogaine???
>> Plus he was coming off weed, I am sure you would need a lot more for
>> coming off methaodne would you not??
>>
>> I am on methadone for choric pain, I hate taking it, and i have tired
>> many, many times to get off, but my pain is so bad with the rare
>> disease I have that I just can't do it. Its not the withdraw, that
>> not the reason I can't get off the methadone, its the freak en
pain.
>> I hope to get my bladder disease in remission again, I am working my
>> ass off with my diet and trying to doing everything possible to help
>> myself heal, but I have a real bad case of IC(its a rare bladder
>> disease, extremely painful, I mean like end stage cancer pain shit!!)
>>
>> I had it better a few times from working my ass off with the diet and
>> natural treatments, supplements, ect, but I have so much damage from
>> all the drugs the doctors gave me when they didn't not know what
to  
>> do
>> for me to eas my pain you know, but it end up causing more damage  
>> down
>> the road.
>>
>> Now I am only on methadone, and no other drugs, methadone seems to be
>> one of the only medicine that does not cause more damage to my
>> bladder(I think because methadone does not turn to acid in the urine
>> like most drugs do) I just got lucky finding a drug that I can take
>> for pain, but I still hate taking it with a passion!!!
>>
>>
>> I was asking about Iboga dosing for methadone, I just wondered about
>> it that all??? I can't get off the methadone right now anyways
>> because I am in too much pain right now, but one day i hope might be
>> pain free, for I have been very close in the past, the only thing is
>> my cond. likes to come back really easy, that's my main problem.
>>
>> However, even though, I can stand to withdraw off the methadone,
>> because I done it so many times to come off it(longest I made it was
>> about 4 months off. but my pain came back hardcore, and I had turn
>> around and get back on it again, sucks ass), I don't like it very 

>> much.
>> I trying to research everything I can about Iboga, so if one day I am
>> heal enough, I would "maybe" see about trying to get some
Iboga to
>> freak en coming off the freak en methadone. I would rather use
>> something natural to come off with anyways!!! Only thing is a live in
>> the US(fuck up drug laws) But you know what I got to say about that,
>> Fuck this gov!!!!! That what I got to say, These stupid ass DEA
>> people can withdraw for 6 months and see how it's like coming off
a
>> drug they were force to get on because of pain!! It's not freak en
>> fare that I should have to suffer, after what I have had to suffer
>> already with my stupid disease!!! Those people can freak en go to
>> hell!! That's Just my thought. My goal is to be on "NO
medicine!!!"
>> That's my long term goal.
>>
>> To all the people on here who don't have pain, Thank your lucky
stars
>> you don't I wish to God I didn't
>>
>>
>> Any info
>> Thanks for the help
>> JS
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 13:47:59 -0700 (PDT)
>>> From: Mark Corcoran
>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga films on Current TV
>>
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>>> it worked.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>> From: simon loxton
>>
>>> To: The Ibogaine List
>>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 4:04:32 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga films on Current TV
>>>
>>>
>>> Do you have any say at all or are you just hoping for the best?
>>> There is nothing worse in these types of situations than editors
who
>>> make the choice of what message they want to convey; I hope it
works
>>> for you and nothing gets used out of context.
>>> I am sure it will be fine!
>>> Where is it going to be shown? Is it like a channel 4 type thing?
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>> From: Nick Sandberg
>>
>>> To: The Ibogaine List
>>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 25 June, 2008 9:54:23 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga films on Current TV
>>>
>>>
>>> Don?t know. Probably I look a twat, and am edited to say something
>>> terrible and be excommunicated. That?s my mindfuck, anyway. I so
>>> hate myself in photos and movies also. Will be grueling to watch!
>>> Apparently it?s called ?Tripping the Habit.? The film-maker Ed
said
>>> he had no choice in the title.
>>> ?
>>> Nick
>>> ?
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>> From:ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com [mailto:ibogaine-
>>> bounces at mindvox.com] On Behalf Of Randy Faulconer
>>> Sent: 25 June 2008 19:34
>>> To: The Ibogaine List
>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga films on Current TV
>>> ?
>>> ??? GET DOWN WILLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We need all of the pub we can
get.
>>> I'm sure it is in a positive light isn't it Nick?
>>> ?
>>> ????????? Peace Love and Spotlights
>>> ?????????????? Randy
>>> On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 12:33 PM, simon loxton > > >
wrote:
>>> Nice one Nick;
>>>
>>> Look forward to it.
>>> ?
>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>> From: Nick Sandberg
>>> To: Ibogaine List
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 25 June, 2008 6:25:35 PM
>>> Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga films on Current TV
>>> There are a couple of ibogaine movies coming out on Current TV
this
>>> week, viewable online. (2 in one week, just like buses!).
>>> ?
>>> The first is about Sara's House and is already online at
http://current.com/items/89043771_tripping_in_amsterdam
>>> ?
>>> The second is due out Thursday, tomorrow, and is by Ed Owles. Not
>>> sure of the title but it's got me in it! Should be on this
link
>>> sometime Thursday or after www.current.com/wasted
>>> ?
>>> Nick
>>> ?
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>>> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:42:20 -0700 (PDT)
>>> From: Preston Peet
>
>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold?
>>
>>> To: The Ibogaine List
>>
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>>>
>>> That's TERRIBLE!
>>> Thanks for cluing us in. I'm so glad I didn't get that
person
>>> involved in my own history.
>>> You look great in that video btw Sara, very happy and healthy.
>>> Best to you and the kids.
>>> Peace, love and as always Lotsof respect.
>>> Preston
>>>
>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>> From: Sara Glatt
>>> To: The Ibogaine List
>>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 1:29:25 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold?
>>>
>>>
>>> Preston,
>>>
>>> yes, you got it right, the person got a placebo after he paid for
a
>>> treatment.
>>> it is done in the US , I got the info by email, I don't know
the
>>> people
>>> personally, but the email was written with a lot of pain which  
>>> made me
>>> react, don't think anybody would want to write to me in person
if
>>> there
>>> was nothing wrong. beside if I'll give you names I may get in
>>> trouble and
>>> I can't deal with more troubles then I'm already in from
passed  
>>> years,
>>> which is still in the European court for Human rights.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Then PLEASE Sara,
>>>> Explain what you were talking about in your post about giving
>>>> placebos
>>>> then walking out with clients cash. Who did this, or did
anyone?
>>>> Are you
>>>> posing a hypothetical?
>>>> What were you talking about?
>>>> Peace,
>>>> Preston
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>> From: Sara Glatt
>>>> To: The Ibogaine List
>>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 12:43:50 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I recall that Sara and Eric would bitch at each other in the  
>>>> past. I
>>>>> haven't
>>>>> followed all these posts, but these are serious
allegations so I
>>>>> think
>>>>> it
>>>>> is
>>>>> not for innuendo, Sara. If you have something like this to
say you
>>>>> gotta
>>>>> be
>>>>> absolutely straight, elsewise for me it's more about
you than  
>>>>> anyone
>>>>> else.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Nick
>>>>>
>>>> Nick,
>>>>
>>>> I can't remember bitching about Eric Taub and never Eric
Taub was
>>>> bitching
>>>> about me.? Eric is sending people to me regularly.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know who Leo Finegold is, But I do feel for
someone who  
>>>> gets
>>>> ripped off.
>>>>
>>>> where there is fire there is smoke. that's bizarre thing
to say,  
>>>> hey!
>>>>
>>>> please Nick don't use the word IF as I'm not a child
anymore, to my
>>>> knowledge there is freedom of speech and freedom of opinion,
take
>>>> it or
>>>> leave it.
>>>>
>>>> Sara
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ? _____
>>>>>
>>>>> From: ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com
[mailto:ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com
>>>>> ]
>>>>> On
>>>>> Behalf Of Matt Shriver
>>>>> Sent: 24 June 2008 01:23
>>>>> To: The Ibogaine List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Agreed.? the original message didn't make a lot of
sense to begin
>>>>> with
>>>>> and
>>>>> then Sara's remarks may or may not have had anything
to do with  
>>>>> the
>>>>> original
>>>>> message and since no-one who knows wtf any of this is
about feels
>>>>> like
>>>>> elaborating I think it would be completely irresponsible
to go off
>>>>> shit
>>>>> talking Eric or anyone else.? If someone has a real issue
with
>>>>> someone
>>>>> else
>>>>> then they should come right out and say it.? Sideways talk
and
>>>>> innuendo
>>>>> is
>>>>> not productive.
>>>>>
>>>>> Matt
>>>>>
>>>>> m.finman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe it has nothing to do with anyone who works with Eric
and the
>>>>> underground, who I have the highest regard and praise
for,? maybe
>>>>> there
>>>>> could be some unscrupulous junkie type representing
themselves as
>>>>> such
>>>>> and
>>>>> scamming and ripping off but aside from all that I
don't believe  
>>>>> the
>>>>> original message to leo finegold had anything to do with
ripping  
>>>>> off
>>>>> necessarily....sounded like one really disgruntled unhappy
person
>>>>> trying
>>>>> to
>>>>> make contact.? ? So I am not going to try and fill in
99.99% of  
>>>>> the
>>>>> blanks
>>>>> that could complete this scenario.? This is how the
telephone game
>>>>> from
>>>>> kindergarten worked as well.
>>>>> Just my view on things,
>>>>> Martee
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Krista Vaughan"?
>>>>>
>>>>> To: "The Ibogaine List"?
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 6:19 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Before everyone starts a lynching party, Sara often writes

>>>>> bizarre,
>>>>> cryptic messages lashing out at people. Maybe someone from
the
>>>>> underground who works with eric taub did rip someone off,
but  
>>>>> isn't
>>>>> Eric Taub at least somewhat respected and regarded as
someone who
>>>>> has
>>>>> been working with ibogaine for a long time?
>>>>>
>>>>> Who is it that Eric is supposed to have done that to? That
sounds
>>>>> really mean and harsh.
>>>>>
>>>>> Love to all
>>>>>
>>>>> KV
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 4:55 PM, Charles Rossouw
>>>>>
>>>>>
> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey Dave
>>>>>
>>>>> I have never seen his name, but according to the original
post  
>>>>> by Mr
>>>>> Goldstein, he may operate under a false name.? OOOHHH so
>>>>> dangerous.? And
>>>>> then Sara is not in any position to disclose his identity!
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh goodness.? I had to give in to the acute, but short,
chuckle
>>>>> again.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mr Finegold - Do NOT ever carry an odour of marijuana!
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Charles
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:26:03 -0400
>>
>>>>> From: davebroc at gmail.com
>>>>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
>>
>>>>> Subject: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold?
>>>>>
>>>>> a dumb question mebbe, but after seeing 50 msgs about Leo
Finegold
>>>>> and
>>>>> ripping off people who need treatment, i've got one
question- who
>>>>> the
>>>>> fuck is leo finegold? does he post here???
>>>>>
>>>>> -broc
>>>>>
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>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:19:21 -0700
>>> From: Warren Theriot
>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Re: dogs
>>
>>> To: The Ibogaine List
>>
>>> Message-ID: <8EE5067D-402F-45DE-ACB7-848DAC05267B at ca.rr.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed;
delsp=yes
>>>
>>> My problem with the dog barking was resolved this morning. At the
>>> animal services department, we both came to a mutual understanding

>>> and
>>> I don't hold any bad feelings against the dog or the neighbor
now.  
>>> The
>>> lady who ran the hearing was also very understanding of my point
of
>>> view unlike the person who arbitrated another meeting with another
>>> neighbor 4 years ago. But the increased efforts of the neighbor to
>>> keep his dog quiet after midnight the last 2 weeks has really
helped
>>> me to calm down so I didn't feel the need to keep pressing the
issue
>>> today after we talked it out. I still think the Iboga spirits have
>>> helped the whole situation at least in my head.
>>>
>>> Peace,
>>> Warren
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:52:23 -0600
>>> From: Matt Shriver
>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Re: dogs
>>
>>> To: The Ibogaine List
>>
>>> Message-ID: <4862DA37.2080500 at gmail.com>
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>>>
>>> Right on Warren. I'm glad to hear that.
>>>
>>> Matt
>>>
>>> Warren Theriot wrote:
>>>> My problem with the dog barking was resolved this morning. At
the
>>>> animal services department, we both came to a mutual
understanding
>>>> and
>>>> I don't hold any bad feelings against the dog or the
neighbor now.
>>>> The
>>>> lady who ran the hearing was also very understanding of my
point of
>>>> view unlike the person who arbitrated another meeting with
another
>>>> neighbor 4 years ago. But the increased efforts of the
neighbor to
>>>> keep his dog quiet after midnight the last 2 weeks has really 

>>>> helped
>>>> me to calm down so I didn't feel the need to keep pressing
the  
>>>> issue
>>>> today after we talked it out. I still think the Iboga spirits
have
>>>> helped the whole situation at least in my head.
>>>>
>>>> Peace,
>>>> Warren
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>> Message: 5
>>> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:03:09 -0700
>>> From: Warren Theriot
>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Re: dogs
>>
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> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:37:01 +0200 (CEST)
> From: "Sara Glatt" <sara119 at xs4all.nl>
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold?Dana get a life
> To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
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>>
> Dana,
>
> the amount of money is nothing to do with Preston and is not  
> important,
> with any amount I will not feel ignored or lied to.
>
> it is your gesture to show some respect to yourself and me, that  
> you  can
> keep your words.
>
> it is strange that you write my name on your MMM list with amount of  
> money
> for a treatment with me, but then you don't know how much you should  
> give
> back.
> if only you paid 1/4 of Denny lane treatment.(2003) you have forgotten
> that he broke a 300$ worth of coloured glass pipe , which I never  
> asked
> one cent for.
>
> that's all now, until next year.
>
> Sara
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> NIck,
>>
>> Sara is being disingenuous. Why doesn't she give the list an
itemized
>> list of moneys that I'm supposed to owe her?
>>
>> Then I will check with the persons in question to find out if they
>> remember it being paid at the time.
>>
>> It's a long time ago, and I don't remember all the details.
>>
>> I think you will find that it's all about the theory that I owe
her
>> some fantastic amount in punitive damages for the trouble Todd and
>> Dolly caused her.
>>
>> Dimitri tried working this out, and after I sought to pay her off and
>> she simply applied everything to Preston's treatment, he concluded
no
>> amount of money would satisfy her.
>>
>> (That was one expensive treatment.)
>>
>> BTW, it's interesting that she concurs with Alex Wodak and Stign
>> Gossens that scientific evidence of ibogaine efficacy should be
>> excluded from international conferences -- because I'm not
supposed
>> to go to any conferences present it as long as I haven't satisfied
>> her demands, remember?
>>
>> Dr. Ken doesn't want to go to the international meth conference in
>> Prague.
>>
>> Dana/cnw
>>
>> On Jun 27, 2008, at 7:37 AM, Nick Sandberg wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Dana and Sara,
>>>
>>> How about you also write what you appreciate about each other as
>>> well as all
>>> the bitchy stuff? Just to bring in a bit of balance.
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com [mailto:ibogaine-
>>>> bounces at mindvox.com]
>>>> On Behalf Of Sara Glatt
>>>> Sent: 26 June 2008 22:56
>>>> To: The Ibogaine List
>>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold?Dana get a life
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No Dana is not a bad boy but needs to be reminded of his
promises
>>>> that is
>>>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:49:34 -0400
> From: Dana Beal <dana at phantom.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold?Dana get a life
> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Message-ID: <32CD3357-C0A9-4556-96C9-95717736802D at phantom.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
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> I want this all done publicly, so everything is absolutely clear, and
> I don't get double-billed or hit with additional charges when I begin
> to breath a sigh of relief because I think it's all cleared up.
>
> Tell them it's about Todd and Dolly, Sara.
>
> Dana/cnw
>
> On Jun 27, 2008, at 8:19 AM, Brad Hays wrote:
>
>> Dana and Sara I have a request of you guys too.  I don't like this
>> adversarial stuff around the ibo list and I'd like to see some
>> unity, cause we all got too many adversaries to be fighting amongst
>> ourselves.  Would yall mind thinking about what you're thankful
>> for? and what you're thankful for about each other?  There are
>> other ways of looking at this.  This cause is bigger than any of us
>> and is too great to let ourselves get side tracked by stuff like
>> freakin money.  If an ambiguous wrong was done years ago then I'm
>> truly sorry, I am, but it has only been based on what ibo teaches
>> us isn't to be worried about.  Feel your hearts beating and think
>> about where you personally want to go.  Please let this subside no
>> matter what the zeros.  Thank you from everybody here.  I've seen
>> your faces and they're not meant to be against each other.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 7:37 AM, Nick Sandberg
>> <nick227 at tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>> Hi Dana and Sara,
>>
>> How about you also write what you appreciate about each other as
>> well as all
>> the bitchy stuff? Just to bring in a bit of balance.
>>
>> Nick
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com [mailto:ibogaine-
>> bounces at mindvox.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Sara Glatt
>>> Sent: 26 June 2008 22:56
>>> To: The Ibogaine List
>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold?Dana get a life
>>>
>>>
>>> No Dana is not a bad boy but needs to be reminded of his promises
>> that is
>>> all. you can sweep the dirt under the carpet but it will not go
way.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Ooh Sarah
>>>>
>>>> You were one of the people who taught me when I started off
with
>>> Ibogaine.
>>>> I still appreciate and remember your teachings.  Also your
>> unequalled
>>>> hospitality when I visited you for a day 18 months or so ago.
>>>>
>>>> But - Dana being a bad boy?
>>>>
>>>> I also experienced his hospitality and his kindness.  Albeit
in
>>> Washington
>>>> DC, with the mother of his son and their family.  We all chose
>> to do
>>> this
>>>> thing.  Lets just do it.  Without the vibes that keep
>> interfering with
>>> our
>>>> lives.
>>>>
>>>> Love and respect
>>>>
>>>> Charles> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 23:22:52 +0200> From:
>> sara119 at xs4all.nl>
>>>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo
Finegold?
>> Dana get
>>> a
>>>> life> > >> Dana,> > there is no excuse to
blow up and throw
>> shit at me>
>>>> you probably know that a small amount of extract+treatment
>> still cost
>>> me>
>>>> money, time, space, and energy which I can use for someone
>> else.> >
>>> please
>>>> don't turn things around I'm not a fool, crazy or a
lair.> > I
>> have
>>> talked
>>>> to Denny lane and I'm not the only one who has problems
with> your
>>>> aggressive reactions, if you have paid for his treatment then
>> he> would
>>>> have known, but he doesn't and he is no dummy.> >
Denny lane is
>> saving
>>>> money to come back here to do another iboga session> and
pay
>> for what
>>> you
>>>> haven't, because he is honest+he cares about me and> my
family
>> as much
>>> as
>>>> I for him.> > > I admit that it was stupid of me to
trust you
>> with Dolly
>>>> and Todd, that> was my mistake, I never ever should have
open
>> my house
>>> for
>>>> those and other> demons, but then> 2012 is coming soon,
the
>> world as we
>>>> know it will end and money will be> worthless.> >
what
>> reputation you
>>>> have? I was told about your reputation by Jack Herer> who
>> stayed here
>>> for
>>>> a week and other people from NORML, if anyone is doing> you
>> wrong that
>>>> yourself, if you approach people with kindness you will
not>
>> need to>
>>> blow
>>>> up like that assume things you have no prove of, get a
life.> >
>> Sara> >
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I paid in full for
>> every one of
>>>> those treatments except the 12> > steppers who turned
you into
>> the cops
>>>> for growing pot. Paid in full.> > Every time. (Though
how you
>> could
>>> charge
>>>> full price for Aivia or> > Tracy doing a small amount of
>> extract is
>>>> troubling, to say the least.)> >> > You just want
me to pay
>> tens of
>>>> thousands of dollars for Todd &> > Dolly, who you
should have
>> screened
>>> out
>>>> yourself. You should have> > sent them home the second
it
>> became clear
>>>> that they wanted to move in> > on you and they had no
intention
>> of doing
>>>> the ibogaine.> >> > I don't refer people to
you any more
>> because I do
>>> only
>>>> the most> > cursory screening on the phone, and I cannot
be
>> responsible
>>>> for> > completely unforeseeable events.> >>
> I am not an
>> insurance
>>>> company.> >> > Except for Todd and Dolly, you
can't even
>> quantify how
>>> much
>>>> is owed.> > Because I sent the money, and then you
claimed it
>> didn't
>>>> count. That> > it was still owed.> >> >
Check with Preston, the
>> last
>>>> person to come from here. His was paid> > in full, for
what
>> good it
>>> does.>
>>>>>>> Of course, he could have pocketed the money.>
>> > I'm
>> really in a
>>>> jam. I'm tired of being trashed by you. I will not>
> pay you a
>> cent
>>>> further because of the damage you continue to do to my>
>
>> reputation.>
>>>>>
>>>>> I try to settle all reasonable claims. But I do not
respond
>> well to> >
>>>> BLACKMAIL.> >> > I think you're making%2>
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