[Ibogaine] Ibogaine Digest, Vol 11, Issue 1

Jeremy Spence jlspence at mac.com
Sat Jul 5 17:47:59 EDT 2008


Thank to simon, for trying to help me!
I'll get at you when I need to ok? I would like, when I am ready to go  
through my options when the time is right.

Ok, I understand the priceyesss,It just sucks for people who live on  
fixed incomes, and barely can afford to eat and keep a roof over their  
heads.  That's all i am saying.  I never wanted it to bel ike this, I  
never wanted to be on opiates, it not like I wanted it for some new  
high!! Because of pain reasons, I had little choice but to get on them!!
There are many people out there that just don't understand that in  
this world.


On Jul 5, 2008, at 4:13 PM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote:

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>   1. Re: stop the fightinf and do somethin productive (Krista Vaughan)
>   2. Re: Ibogaine Re: hello list? (Warren Theriot)
>   3. ibogaine - tripping the habit (Nick Sandberg)
>   4. what happened (Janna Pijoan)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:48:42 -0400
> From: "Krista Vaughan" <krista.vaughan at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] stop the fightinf and do somethin productive
> To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
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> Hi, first off this list has directly helped hundreds of people get
> their lives back and clean up. It's also helped those same people with
> having a place to get group support. It does have a lot of noise
> sometimes, but then it has a huge amount of people, a lot of them
> having started posting lately. The contributions I've seen so far from
> you Ryan, are nothing.
>
> Secondly, so Gabon which is a very poor region, has made the cost of
> ibogaine increase by adding whatever fees and taxes on top, before any
> of the ibogaine makes it to a lab to get processed. Is that so wrong?
> A very poor nation, wanting to make money from one of its national
> treasures being sucked down by a world filled with people who have
> enough money to smoke crack or shoot heroin? where the region it comes
> from has a hard enough time just putting food on the table.
>
> As for the dollar going down the drain and the Euro rising, well we
> can all thank Bush for that, after all its sooooo important to go
> invade other countries and make more money for oil companies. In case
> you haven't noticed or don't read, America is heading for a huge
> recession, there are hundreds of thousands of people newly homeless
> who can't afford all those mortgages Bush made available so all those
> houses sit empty while people are in the street, the price of gas may
> have no or little effect on people in big cities, but it's destroying
> middle America where people who have to drive to work are choosing
> between going to work or buying food.
>
> You have a very skewed view of the world. I'd suggest reading a
> newspaper once in a while, instead of watching fox news if you are
> unable to imagine a world that doesn't center on being over privledged
> as your birthright and having enough money to sit in college
> collecting degrees.
>
> KV
>
> 2008/6/30 ryan beck <marshalryanbeck at yahoo.com>:
>>
>> I thought this list was abut the dissemination of ibo and it's  
>> value as tool
>> to help people addicted to drugs , but it has turned into a piss  
>> fest of
>> egos there are a few that have valuable information regarding ibo.  
>> Namely
>> Simon(who have the utmost respect for his knowledge and  
>> compassion). If all
>> providers were as compassionate as Simon and Sara. Ibo would become  
>> more
>> mainstream, Howard and Sara and a handful of others. This s not  
>> about us it
>> is abut something bigger. Ibo has the potential to save 100,000 of  
>> thousands
>> lives; and all I see is infighting This is bigger than all of our  
>> petty
>> egos, Why can't we manufacture it n lab in (?)Gabon, I have a M.S in
>> chemistry (and several. PhD in organic chemistry who would be more  
>> that
>> happy to join said project), all we need would be to start a lab  
>> with the
>> appropriate funds( the formula is very straight forward and it is  
>> rather
>> simple) One could produce 100,000s doses a year. It should not cost  
>> more
>> than $20 a dose. What is holding the movement back? Infighting!  
>> Personal
>> vested interest?
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 21:08:19 -0700
> From: Warren Theriot <wleetheriot at ca.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Re: hello list?
> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
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> Anyone notice a dropoff of list messages in the last 2 days?
> Warren
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 14:44:24 +0100
> From: "Nick Sandberg" <nick227 at tiscali.co.uk>
> Subject: [Ibogaine] ibogaine - tripping the habit
> To: "'The Ibogaine List'" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
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> Ed Owles' short film, Tripping the Habit, for Current TV is now  
> online at
> http://current.com/items/89052170_tripping_the_habit It's got me + a  
> few
> other brits in it.
>
> Nick
>
>
>
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> Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 21:19:46 -0600
> From: "Janna Pijoan" <janna at tcmclinic.org>
> Subject: [Ibogaine] what happened
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> Hi,
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> I had been on the Ibogaine email list for about 4 months and then,  
> all of a sudden, I stopped receiving anything about 3-4 days agao.   
> What happened?  My email is janna at tcmclinic.org
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> From: "DC in AZ" <dcollier9 at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] gettng 0ff ths -nfghtng counter-prductve list
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> "My chosen shall not labor in vain."
> Isaiah 65:23
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> "Love converts hearts, and gives peace."
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>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Nick Sandberg
>  To: 'The Ibogaine List'
>  Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 8:56 AM
>  Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] gettng 0ff ths -nfghtng counter-prductve list
>
>
>  A guy who's name I've now forgotten had a way to make ibopyrines  
> (if I remember the name right) years back. It was going to be very  
> cheap. If you know about chemistry maybe you could check this out. I  
> think ibogaine itself is quite pricey to synthesise or extract,  
> that's what I've heard anyway.
>
>
>
>  Nick
>
>
>
>
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>  From: ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com [mailto:ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com 
> ] On Behalf Of ryan beck
>  Sent: 30 June 2008 14:16
>  To: The Ibogaine List
>  Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] gettng 0ff ths -nfghtng counter-prductve list
>
>
>
>        I thought this list was abut the dissemination of ibo and  
> it's value as tool to help people addicted to drugs , but it has  
> turned into a piss fest of egos there are a few that have valuable  
> information regarding ibo. Namely Simon(who have the utmost respect  
> for his knowledge and compassion). If all providers were as  
> compassionate as Simon and Sara. Ibo would become more mainstream,  
> Howard and Sara and a handful of others. This s not about us it is  
> abut something bigger. Ibo has the potential to save 100,000 of  
> thousands lives; and all I see is infighting This is bigger than all  
> of our petty egos, Why can?t we manufacture it n lab in (?)Gabon, I  
> have a M.S in chemistry (and several. PhD in organic chemistry who  
> would be more that happy to join said project), all we need would be  
> to start a lab with the appropriate funds( the formula is very  
> straight forward and it is rather simple) One could produce 100,000s  
> doses a year. It should not cost more than $20 a dose. What i
> s holding the movement back? Infighting! Personal vested interest?
>
>
>
>        --- On Sat, 6/28/08, Jeremy Spence <jlspence at mac.com> wrote:
>
>        From: Jeremy Spence <jlspence at mac.com>
>        Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] grams of iboga coming off methadone
>        To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
>        Date: Saturday, June 28, 2008, 6:28 PM
>
> Look i just wanted to know, roughly how many grams you would need,  
> of  root bark??  Like 25grams?? or 50 grams?? I heard somebody on  
> the net talk about if you got 100 grams of whole  root iboga(which  
> not that strong) and it had 1% Ibogaine in it, that  would be 1 gram  
> of ibogaine, and if it has 2%, that would be 2 grams  of ibogaine  
> total of course. Is that true?? I just wondered, Its not like I  
> going to order some today or even next  month, I just wonder that  
> all.   JS    On Jun 28, 2008, at 7:11 PM, ibogaine- 
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> Re: how many grams would you need of Iboga to come off>       
> methadone? (simon loxton)>   2. Re: DEA (DC in AZ)>   3. Re: remove  
> (Randy Faulconer)>   4. Jeremy's answer from me (Randy Faulconer)>    
> 5. Sophie (Randy Faulconer)>   6. Re: Ibogaine Digest, Vol 10, Issue  
> 313 (Jeremy Spence)> > >  
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>  > Message: 1> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 14:46:54 +0000 (GMT)> From:  
> simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how  
> many grams would you need of Iboga to come>       off     methadone? 
> > To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>> Message-ID: <703336.90303.qm at web28613.mail.ukl.yahoo.com 
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"> > Just a basic example  
> to mention is that your heart rate can drop  > which is normal to a  
> degree; but a doctor with no working knowledge  > of ibogaine will  
> take action which would be inappropriate in this
>> situation.> Speaking of which; the heart rate and blood pressure  
>> need to be  > monitored throughout the experience which would be  
>> difficult on ones  > own.> > > ----- Original Message ----> From:  
>> Randy Faulconer <bicuitboy714 at gmail.com>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com 
>> >> Sent: Saturday, 28 June, 2008 4:28:59 PM> Subject: Re:  
>> [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to  > come off  
>> methadone?> > >          Absolutely Si!! Agree with Simon here too.  
>> Doing Ibogaine  > by yourself is very, very, dangerous. There needs  
>> to be somebody  > with EXPERIENCE around when a treatment is going  
>> on. Lots of weird  > kind of shit can occur, and an experienced  
>> guide will be able to  > handle that without freaking out. Trust me  
>> on this yall.> >        I feel kind of weird about giving out the  
>> instuctions on how  > to dose it like that my man. This is on  
>> second thought you  > understand, COOL?? I asked the same questions  
>> when I was first  > looking into Ibo.> >          Ge
> t a provider dude, OK? I don't want anything bad to  > happen during  
> a treatment for a lot of reasons.> >          Peace Love and  
> Safety>                Randy> > > On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 9:26 AM,  
> simon loxton  > <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:> > Oh! I get you  
> man; well thats an entirely different story because  > there is no  
> set law. There are many different protocols and dosages  > which is  
> difficult for me to put on an open forum because people who  > are  
> desperate can think of trying short cuts; as seems to possibly  > be  
> the case here. I guess all that has to be stressed besides the  >  
> different options is that this is a matter best discusses with your   
> > potential provider. Start with a provider and then discuss what  
> the  > best way forward would be for some one in "your" position.> >  
> Sorry about that. Thanks Randy!> > > > ----- Original Message ---->  
> From: Randy Faulconer <bicuitboy714 at gmail.com>> To: The Ibogaine  
> List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>> Sent: Saturday, 28 June
> , 2008 3:12:29 PM> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you  
> need of Iboga to  > come off methadone?> > >               I'm gonna  
> guess here Si and say that I think that what  > Jeremy wants is  
> specific amounts of each for a hypothetical  > methadone treatment  
> where the person is on 80 mgs of methadone.  > Maybe to see how much  
> it would cost for each. Like I say, I'm  > guessing here. I'll try  
> and figure it out for you J, but give me a  > little while and  
> please remember this is just hypothetical OK?> >               I'll  
> probably be drummed outta the "Corps for thisHe He> >                 
> Peace Love and Finance>                    Randy> > > > On Sat, Jun  
> 28, 2008 at 5:51 AM, simon loxton  > <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>  
> wrote:> > The root contains little ibogaine at all and is used  
> mainly as a  > laxative among other things. The root bark if  
> prepared and matured  > correctly can have up to 6% ibogaine at the  
> most. The batch I tested  > had 5% but most are around 2% if b
> ought commercially. The extract is  > not really available except  
> through Sarah as far as I know.> With the whole root you would be  
> wasting your time as far as detox  > from Methadone.> I hope this  
> helps and is what you are asking for.> > > > ----- Original Message  
> ----> From: Jeremy Spence <jlspence at mac.com>> To:  
> ibogaine at mindvox.com> Sent: Saturday, 28 June, 2008 11:39:49 AM>  
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to  >  
> come off methadone?> > Yes, I ask this, but no body ever answer  
> me???  I mean roughly??  On  > 80mg of methadone??> > > And can  
> anybody out there tell me, what's the difference between the  >  
> extract and whole root iboga, and root bark, how how of  
> difference??  > How big??  Like what would a 100 grams of whole  
> roots iboga compared  > too???? Roughly???  Keep in mind, I know  
> there is some variation in  > Ibogaine content being it's a natural  
> compound. I just want to know,  > roughly??> > How many grams would  
> I need in say, each??  Lik
> e how many grams  > would I need in whole iboga compared how many  
> grams I would need in  > Iboga root bark?????> > > Can anybody out  
> there help with this question? I ask before, but  > never got a good  
> answer.  Keep in mind this all hypothetical.> On Jun 28, 2008, at  
> 3:33 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote:> > > >  
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> 2008 08:14:26 -0700> From: "DC in AZ" <dcollier9 at cox.net>> Subject:  
> Re: [Ibogaine] DEA> To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>>  
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> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > exactly, which  
> is why common practice in this county (cochise, az)  > is that yur  
> released and charges are dropped> until the state lab tests come  
> back, which talkes too long, which is  > why the charges
>  are almost always dropped.> but they are refiled later depending on  
> lab results a couple few  > weeks later. by then the person is long  
> gone out of state, and they  > wont> press out of state extradition  
> (for possession anyway), since all  > drugs except meth are decrim'd  
> by the az voters here twice.> sick of all of it though, stop the  
> destruction due to drug laws.>  
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>  Donzo> "Love converts hearts, and gives peace.">  
> __________________________________________________> >  -----  
> Original Message ----->  From: Eye of the Bhogi>  To: The Ibogaine  
> List>  Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 9:14 PM>  Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]  
> DEA> > >  Reminds me of a line from the String Cheese Incident  
> song,"Texas:"> >  You can't bust me / if you don't know what ya've  
> found!> > > > > >  
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> 2008 12:07:11 -0400> From: "Randy Faulconer"  
> <bicuitboy714 at gmail.com>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] remove> To: "The  
> Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>> Message-ID:>       <29d165a30806280907w77edbd7eh9b91efa43c9918b6 at mail.gmail.com 
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> >             OK  
> dude, here's my very twisted opinion. The science of> treating  
> people for addiction with Ibogasine isn't an exact thing  > even in  
> a> clinical setting. No two people react the same. When providers  
> treat  > people> here in the US (this may change with Bwiti  
> learnings) they most of  > the time> use Ibogaine HCL, whic
> h means hydrochloride. It is as pure as it  > gets for> the one  
> alcoloid of Ibogaine. 96 to 98 per cent pure Ibogaine. They  > do  
> it> body weight. I think you know this so I'll try and make it  
> short.  > Anywhere> from 12 mgs per kg to 24 mgs for the flood dose.  
> Most people don't  > go over> 24 mgs per kg in a 24 hour period. The  
> point is, even with the pure  > Ibo you> have to be there and see  
> the look on the patients face to know if he  > has> enough, and then  
> look for withdrawals later. It takes a provider to  > know> this and  
> everything  else is just guessing. PERIOD. Then different  > drugs  
> are> different treatments. Root bark and extracts are harder to  
> measure  > for a> dosage. That's why Sara is such a good provider  
> with the extact. She  > knows> what she is doing and knows what to  
> look for. There is no cut and  > dry dose> especially with methadone  
> with root bark. I know you don't want to  > hear this> but that's  
> the way it is. Shoot me if I'm wrong. And remember that
>> is my> opinon and I'm twisted OK??> >              Peace Love and  
>> Knowledge>                Randy>           BiscuitBoy Blues> > On  
>> Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 10:24 AM, DIANA MUIR <pyrospent at verizon.net> >  
>> wrote:> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----->> *From:* Jeremy  
>> Spence <jlspence at mac.com>>> *To:* ibogaine at mindvox.com>> *Sent:*  
>> Saturday, June 28, 2008 5:39 AM>> *Subject:* Re: [Ibogaine] how  
>> many grams would you need of Iboga to  >> come>> offmethadone?>> >>  
>> Yes, I ask this, but no body ever answer me???  I mean roughly??    
>> >> On 80mg>> of methadone??>> >> And can anybody out there tell me,  
>> what's the difference betweenthe>> extract and whole root iboga,  
>> and root bark, how how of  >> difference?? How>> big??  Like what  
>> would a 100 grams of whole roots iboga compared  >> too????>>  
>> Roughly???  Keep in mind, I know there is some variation in>>  
>> Ibogaine content being it's a natural compound. I just want  
>> toknow,>> roughly??>> >> How many grams would I need in say,  
>> each??  Like ho
> w many grams  >> would I>> need in whole iboga compared how many  
> grams I would need in Iboga  >> root>> bark?????>> >> >> Can anybody  
> out there help with this question? I ask before, but  >> never got>>  
> a good answer.  Keep in mind this all hypothetical.>> On Jun 28,  
> 2008, at 3:33 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote:>> >> >>  
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> 2008 13:21:49 -0400> From: "Randy Faulconer"  
> <bicuitboy714 at gmail.com>> Subject: [Ibogaine] Jeremy's answer from  
> me> To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>> Message- 
> ID:>        
> <29d165a30806281021u661d1535o269bda5e21d1644 at mail.gmail.com>>  
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > I put an answer to  
> your question on the message that was asking to be> removed. I can't  
> remember the name but it's probably the onlyEmail  > asking> to get  
> off of the list right now. I somehow deleted what is on my  > mail,  
> so I> can't see what I said, but it's there.> >         Peace> > >  
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> 13:34:48 -0400> From: "Randy Faulconer" <bicuitboy714 at gmail.com>>  
> Subject: [Ibogaine] Sophie> To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com 
> >> Message-ID:>       <29d165a30806281034j73730c7cucf9b5ca2afcba2e3 at mail.gmail.com 
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> >    You asked me  
> when, and how much Ibo I did I think, so I'm  > starting this> new  
> thread to asnwer your question.> >     I did my first BIG treatment  
> in the fall of 04, the last of  > September.> I was on 80 mgs of  
> methadone. It was rough, and the treatment itself  > lasted> about 3  
> days. Being that it was a methadone treatment, I did a bunch  > of>  
> Ibogaine. Total was 34 mgs per kg, but that was spread out over 2>  
> days. After that I did a couple of boosters and a 6 mg tune up the   
> > next> year. I've had my ups and downs, mostly with alcohol, but I  
> stay in  > the> fight, and never give up. Ask away with questions  
> when you want to,  > and> lea
> rn all you can. Have you done Ibogaine?> >              Peace Love  
> and Freedom>                    Randy>                Biscuitboy  
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> 2008 19:11:25 -0500> From: Jeremy Spence <jlspence at mac.com>>  
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Digest, Vol 10, Issue 313> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com 
> > Message-ID: <295DBBD2-22DF-4D31-96AB-489B3EAA9A28 at mac.com>>  
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> delsp=yes> > Look you all, I not a child, I can take care of my  
> self! I just ask,> that all, its not like I am going to go right out  
> and down a bunch of> the shit without doing a test dose at least!! I  
> am not that stupid!!!> > I don't have the money for a to go to some  
> one, its not going to> happen for me that way, Its not possible for  
> me tha
> t way guys!!!!!> I been on disabitly for nearly 6-7 years and can't  
> work right now, I> just asking it I ever got better, that all!!!> >  
> Look guys, i do it my self anyways, I just wanted help that all,  
> but> since no body will help me here, i guess I just have to try it  
> myself,> trail and error just like i always do!!!  How much would a  
> test dose> be???  I am in good health other wise, no heart problems,  
> liver> problem, or major organ problems, I just have IC that all!  I  
> not even> going to do it un less I get completely better anyways!> >  
> Look if you want to protect people, you need to tell people this>  
> info!! So if they did get some that might know what they are  
> doing!!!!> I have done many types of drugs before, and I know, yes  
> iboga is> different, ok, I know, but would you want people to have  
> the info so> that they might know what to do!! instead of not  
> knowing shit, and> then dong the trail and error thing????> > This  
> board is worthless then if you will not share info> > >
>  On Jun 28, 2008, at 9:29 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote:>  
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> Topics:>> >>  1. Re: how many grams would you need of Iboga to come  
> off>>     methadone? (Jeremy Spence)>>  2. Re: Leo Finegold?Dana get  
> a life (Adam Nodelman)>>  3. Re: how many grams would you need of  
> Iboga to come off>>     methadone? (simon loxton)>>  4. Planetary  
> Harmonics and Neurobiological sesonances (simon loxton)>>  5. Re:  
> how many grams would you need of Iboga to come off>>     methadone?  
> (Randy Fau
> lconer)>>  6. Re: Planetary Harmonics and Neurobiological  
> sesonances>>     (Jan Ludewig)>>  7. Re: how many grams would you  
> need of Iboga to come off>>     methadone? (simon loxton)>>  8.  
> remove (DIANA MUIR)>>  9. Re: how many grams would you need of Iboga  
> to come off>>     methadone? (Randy Faulconer)>> >> >>  
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------> 
> > >> Message: 1>> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 04:39:49 -0500>> From:  
> Jeremy Spence <jlspence at mac.com>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many  
> grams would you need of Iboga to  >> come>>      off     methadone? 
> >> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com>> Message-ID: <B68766A9-599F-450F-9551-86F522D0E1F1 at mac.com 
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii">> >> Yes, I ask  
> this, but no body ever answer me???  I mean roughly??  On>> 80mg of  
> methadone??>> >> >> And can anybody out there tell me, what's the  
> difference betweenthe>> extract and whole root iboga, and root bark,  
> how how of difference??>> How big??  Like what would
>  a 100 grams of whole roots iboga compared>> too???? Roughly???   
> Keep in mind, I know there is some variation in>> Ibogaine content  
> being it's a natural compound. I just want toknow,>> roughly??>> >>  
> How many grams would I need in say, each??  Like how many grams  
> would>> I need in whole iboga compared how many grams I would need  
> in Iboga>> root bark?????>> >> >> Can anybody out there help with  
> this question? I ask before, but  >> never>> got a good answer.   
> Keep in mind this all hypothetical.>> On Jun 28, 2008, at 3:33 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com 
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> Jun 2008 02:42:00 -0700 (PDT)>> From: Adam Nodelman <jonathanswiftboat at yahoo.com 
> >>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold?Dana get a life>> To: The  
> Ibogaine List <ibogaine at m
> indvox.com>>> Message-ID:  
> <948719.82485.qm at web37405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>>> Content-Type: text/ 
> plain; charset="us-ascii">> >> That might be the whole point:The  
> plant helps the people towards>> self discovery, the addict treats  
> himself in the end.No one that I>> know ever claimed to be a guru.  
> Looking for one Nick?   As for>> underlining issues, well...I'm sure  
> we all strive to reach your>> perfectly balanced higher plane but  
> alas, were just not all there.>> Adam>> >> >> >> >> --------------  
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> >> >> ------------------------------>> >> Message: 3>> Date: Sat, 28  
> Jun 2008 09:51:04 +0000 (GMT)>> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk 
> >>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga  
> to  >> come>>      off     methadone?>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com 
> >>> Message-ID: <976636.56653.qm at web28610.
> mail.ukl.yahoo.com>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8">> >>  
> The root contains little ibogaine at all and is used mainly as a>>  
> laxative among other things. The root bark if prepared and matured>>  
> correctly can have up to 6% ibogaine at the most. The batch I  
> tested>> had 5% but most are around 2% if bought commercially. The  
> extract is>> not really available except through Sarah as far as I  
> know.>> With the whole root you would be wasting your time as far as  
> detox>> from Methadone.>> I hope this helps and is what you are  
> asking for.>> >> >> ----- Original Message ---->> From: Jeremy  
> Spence <jlspence at mac.com>>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com>> Sent:  
> Saturday, 28 June, 2008 11:39:49 AM>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how  
> many grams would you need of Iboga to>> come off methadone?>> >>  
> Yes, I ask this, but no body ever answer me???  I mean roughly??   
> On>> 80mg of methadone??>> >> >> And can anybody out there tell me,  
> what's the difference betweenthe>> extract and whole root iboga, a
> nd root bark, how how of difference??>> How big??  Like what would a  
> 100 grams of whole roots iboga compared>> too???? Roughly???  Keep  
> in mind, I know there is some variation in>> Ibogaine content being  
> it's a natural compound. I just want toknow,>> roughly??>> >> How  
> many grams would I need in say, each??  Like how many grams>> would  
> I need in whole iboga compared how many grams I would need in>>  
> Iboga root bark?????>> >> >> Can anybody out there help with this  
> question? I ask before, but>> never got a good answer.  Keep in mind  
> this all hypothetical.>> On Jun 28, 2008, at 3:33 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com 
>  wrote:>> >> >>      
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> ------------------------------>> >> Message: 4>> Date: Sat, 28 Jun  
> 2008 13:06:12 +0000 (GMT)>> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk 
> >>> Subject: [Ibogaine] Planetary Harmonics and Neurobiological  >>  
> sesonances>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com>> Message-ID: <593912.29605.qm at web28606.mail.ukl.yahoo.com 
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8">> >> http://www.lunarplanner.com/Harmonics/planetary-harmonics.html 
> >> >> I found some interesting tables for people who work with sound  
> or>> light in any way.>> >> >> >>      
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>  ------------------------------>> >> Message: 5>> Date: Sat, 28 Jun  
> 2008 09:12:29 -0400>> From: "Randy Faulconer"  
> <bicuitboy714 at gmail.com>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams  
> would you need of Iboga to  >> come>>      off     methadone?>> To:  
> "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>>> Message-ID:>>      <29d165a30806280612u399dda1h4fc9ad7676521156 at mail.gmail.com 
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1">> >>               
> I'm gonna guess here Si and say that I think thatwhat>> Jeremy>>  
> wants is specific amounts of each for a hypothetical methadone>>  
> treatment>> where the person is on 80 mgs of methadone. Maybe to see  
> how much it>> would>> cost for each. Like I say, I'm guessing here.  
> I'll try andfigure it>> out for>> you J, but give me a little while  
> and please remember this is just>> hypothetical OK?>>  
> >>              I'll probably be drummed outta the "Corps forthis He  
> He>> >>               Peace Love and Finance>>                    
> Randy>> >> >> On Sat, Jun
> 28, 2008 at 5:51 AM, simon loxton>> <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>>>  
> wrote:>> >>> The root contains little ibogaine at all and is used  
> mainly as a>>> laxative>>> among other things. The root bark if  
> prepared and maturedcorrectly>>> can have>>> up to 6% ibogaine at  
> the most. The batch I tested had 5% but most>>> are around>>> 2% if  
> bought commercially. The extract is not really available  >>>  
> except>>> through Sarah as far as I know.>>> With the whole root you  
> would be wasting your time as far as detox>>> from>>> Methadone.>>>  
> I hope this helps and is what you are asking for.>>> >>> >>> -----  
> Original Message ---->>> From: Jeremy Spence <jlspence at mac.com>>>>  
> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com>>> Sent: Saturday, 28 June, 2008 11:39:49  
> AM>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga  
> to>>> come off>>> methadone?>>> >>> Yes, I ask this, but no body  
> ever answer me???  I mean roughly??>>> On 80mg>>> of methadone??>>>  
> >>> And can anybody out there tell me, what's the differenc
> ebetween the>>> extract and whole root iboga, and root bark, how how  
> of>>> difference?? How>>> big??  Like what would a 100 grams of  
> whole roots iboga compared>>> too????>>> Roughly???  Keep in mind, I  
> know there is some variation in>>> Ibogaine content being it's a  
> natural compound. I just want toknow,>>> roughly??>>> >>> How many  
> grams would I need in say, each??  Like how many grams>>> would I>>>  
> need in whole iboga compared how many grams I would need in Iboga>>>  
> root>>> bark?????>>> >>> >>> Can anybody out there help with this  
> question? I ask before, but>>> never got>>> a good answer.  Keep in  
> mind this all hypothetical.>>> On Jun 28, 2008, at 3:33 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com 
>  wrote:>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------>>> Not happy  
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> Jun 2008 14:20:12 +0100>> From: Jan Ludewig <jl at drug-policy.eu>>>  
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Planetary Harmonics and  
> Neurobiological>>      sesonances>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com 
> >>> Cc: cousto at eve-rave.net>> Message-ID: <48663A8C.30905 at drug-policy.eu 
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed>> >>  
> simon loxton wrote:>>> http://www.lunarplanner.com/Harmonics/planetary-harmonics.html 
> >>> >>> I found some interesting tables for people who work with  
> sound or>>> light in any way.>> Hans Cousto (Eve & Rave) did some  
> research
>  on that:>> http://www.planetware.de/octave/>> I assume/am sure he  
> is open to questions: *cousto at eve-rave.net>> >> jl>> *>> >> >>  
> ------------------------------>> >> Message: 7>> Date: Sat, 28 Jun  
> 2008 13:26:58 +0000 (GMT)>> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk 
> >>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga  
> to  >> come>>      off     methadone?>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com 
> >>> Message-ID: <481818.49802.qm at web28607.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>>>  
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8">> >> Oh! I get you man;  
> well thats an entirely different story because>> there is no set  
> law. There are many different protocols and dosages>> which is  
> difficult for me to put on an open forum because people who>> are  
> desperate can think of trying short cuts; as seems to possibly>> be  
> the case here. I guess all that has to be stressed besides the>>  
> different options is that this is a matter best discusses with  
> your>> potential provider. Start with a provider an
> d then discuss what the>> best way forward would be for some one in  
> "your" position.>> >> Sorry about that. Thanks Randy!>> >> >> -----  
> Original Message ---->> From: Randy Faulconer  
> <bicuitboy714 at gmail.com>>> To: The Ibogaine List  
> <ibogaine at mindvox.com>>> Sent: Saturday, 28 June, 2008 3:12:29 PM>>  
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to>>  
> come off methadone?>> >> >>              I'm gonna guess here Si and  
> say that I think thatwhat>> Jeremy wants is specific amounts of each  
> for a hypothetical>> methadone treatment where the person is on 80  
> mgs of methadone.>> Maybe to see how much it would cost for each.  
> Like I say, I'm>> guessing here. I'll try and figure it out for you  
> J, but give me a>> little while and please remember this is just  
> hypothetical OK?>> >>              I'll probably be drummed outta  
> the "Corps forthis He He>> >>               Peace Love and  
> Finance>>                   Randy>> >> >> >> On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at  
> 5:51 AM, simon loxton>>
> <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:>> >> The root contains little  
> ibogaine at all and is used mainly as a>> laxative among other  
> things. The root bark if prepared and matured>> correctly can have  
> up to 6% ibogaine at the most. The batch I tested>> had 5% but most  
> are around 2% if bought commercially. The extract is>> not really  
> available except through Sarah as far as I know.>> With the whole  
> root you would be wasting your time as far as detox>> from  
> Methadone.>> I hope this helps and is what you are asking for.>> >>  
> >> >> ----- Original Message ---->> From: Jeremy Spence <jlspence at mac.com 
> >>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com>> Sent: Saturday, 28 June, 2008  
> 11:39:49 AM>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need  
> of Iboga to>> come off methadone?>> >> Yes, I ask this, but no body  
> ever answer me???  I mean roughly??  On>> 80mg of methadone??>> >>  
> >> And can anybody out there tell me, what's the difference  
> betweenthe>> extract and whole root iboga, and root bark, how how of  
> dif
> ference??>> How big??  Like what would a 100 grams of whole roots  
> iboga compared>> too???? Roughly???  Keep in mind, I know there is  
> some variation in>> Ibogaine content being it's a natural compound.  
> I just want toknow,>> roughly??>> >> How many grams would I need in  
> say, each??  Like how many grams>> would I need in whole iboga  
> compared how many grams I would need in>> Iboga root bark?????>> >>  
> >> Can anybody out there help with this question? I ask before,  
> but>> never got a good answer.  Keep in mind this all  
> hypothetical.>> On Jun 28, 2008, at 3:33 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com 
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> Jun 2008 10:24:51 -0400>> From: "DIANA MUIR"  
> <pyrospent at verizon.net>>> Subject: [Ibogaine] remove>> To: "The  
> Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>>> Message-ID: <001a01c8d92a 
> $ba6e3e20$4101a8c0 at Pyro>>> Content-Type: text/plain;  
> charset="iso-8859-1">> >> >> ----- Original Message ----->> From:  
> Jeremy Spence>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com>> Sent: Saturday, June 28,  
> 2008 5:39 AM>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need  
> of Iboga to>> come offmethadone?>> >> >> Yes, I ask this, but no  
> body ever answer me???  I mean ro
> ughly??>> On 80mg of methadone??>> >> >> >> >> And can anybody out  
> there tell me, what's the difference between>> the extract and whole  
> root iboga, and root bark, how how of>> difference?? How big??  Like  
> what would a 100 grams of whole roots>> iboga compared too????  
> Roughly???  Keep in mind, I know there is>> some variation in  
> Ibogaine content being it's a natural compound.I>> just want to  
> know, roughly??>> >> >> How many grams would I need in say, each??   
> Like how many grams>> would I need in whole iboga compared how many  
> grams I would need in>> Iboga root bark?????>> >> >> >> >> Can  
> anybody out there help with this question? I ask before, but>> never  
> got a good answer.  Keep in mind this all hypothetical.>> On Jun 28,  
> 2008, at 3:33 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote:>> >> >> >> >>  
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> Jun 2008 10:28:59 -0400>> From: "Randy Faulconer" <bicuitboy714 at gmail.com 
> >>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga  
> to  >> come>>      off     methadone?>> To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com 
> >>> Message-ID:>>      <29d165a30806280728j6c7b4549ld4dd70fc6844cd54 at mail.gmail.com 
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1">> >>          
> Absolutely Si!! Agree wit
> h Simon here too. Doing Ibogaine by>> yourself is very, very,  
> dangerous. There needs to be somebody with>> EXPERIENCE around when  
> a treatment is going on. Lots of weird kind>> of shit>> can occur,  
> and an experienced guide will be able to handle that>> without>>  
> freaking out. Trust me on this yall.>> >>       I feel kind of weird  
> about giving out the instuctions on how>> to dose>> it like that my  
> man. This is on second thought you understand,>> COOL?? I>> asked  
> the same questions when I was first looking into Ibo.>> >>          
> Get a provider dude, OK? I don't want anything bad tohappen>> during  
> a treatment for a lot of reasons.>> >>         Peace Love and  
> Safety>>               Randy>> >> On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 9:26 AM,  
> simon loxton>> <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>>> wrote:>> >>> Oh! I get  
> you man; well thats an entirely different story because>>> there>>>  
> is no set law. There are many different protocols and  
> dosageswhich>>> is>>> difficult for me to put on an open forum because
> people who are>>> desperate>>> can think of trying short cuts; as  
> seems to possibly be the case>>> here. I>>> guess all that has to be  
> stressed besides the different options is>>> that this>>> is a  
> matter best discusses with your potential provider. Start  >>> with  
> a>>> provider and then discuss what the best way forward would be  
> for>>> some one in>>> "your" position.>>> >>> Sorry about that.  
> Thanks Randy!>>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ---->>> From: Randy  
> Faulconer <bicuitboy714 at gmail.com>>>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com 
> >>>> Sent: Saturday, 28 June, 2008 3:12:29 PM>>> Subject: Re:  
> [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to>>> come off>>>  
> methadone?>>> >>>              I'm gonna guess here Si and say that  
> I think thatwhat>>> Jeremy wants is specific amounts of each for a  
> hypothetical  >>> methadone>>> treatment where the person is on 80  
> mgs of methadone. Maybe to see>>> how much>>> it would cost for  
> each. Like I say, I'm guessing here.I'll try and
>>>> figure>>> it out for you J, but give me a little while and please  
>>>> remember>>> this is>>> just hypothetical OK?>>> >>>               
>>>> I'll probably be drummed outta the "Corpsfor this He>>> He>>>  
>>>> >>>               Peace Love and Finance>>>                    
>>>> Randy>>> >>> >>> On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 5:51 AM, simon loxton<simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk 
>>>> >>>> >>> wrote:>>> >>>> The root contains little ibogaine at all  
>>>> and is used mainly asa>>>> laxative among other things. The root  
>>>> bark if prepared andmatured>>>> correctly>>>> can have up to 6%  
>>>> ibogaine at the most. The batch I tested had5%>>>> but most>>>>  
>>>> are around 2% if bought commercially. The extract is  
>>>> notreally>>>> available>>>> except through Sarah as far as I  
>>>> know.>>>> With the whole root you would be wasting your time as  
>>>> far asdetox>>>> from>>>> Methadone.>>>> I hope this helps and is  
>>>> what you are asking for.>>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ---- 
>>>> >>>> From: Jeremy Spence <jlspence at mac.com>>>>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com 
>>>> >>>>
> Sent: Saturday, 28 June, 2008 11:39:49 AM>>>> Subject: Re:  
> [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Ibogato>>>> come off>>>>  
> methadone?>>>> >>>> Yes, I ask this, but no body ever answer me???   
> I meanroughly??>>>> On 80mg>>>> of methadone??>>>> >>>> And can  
> anybody out there tell me, what's the differencebetween  >>>>  
> the>>>> extract and whole root iboga, and root bark, how how of>>>>  
> difference?? How>>>> big??  Like what would a 100 grams of whole  
> roots ibogacompared>>>> too????>>>> Roughly???  Keep in mind, I know  
> there is some variation in>>>> Ibogaine content being it's a natural  
> compound. I justwant to  >>>> know,>>>> roughly??>>>> >>>> How many  
> grams would I need in say, each??  Like how manygrams>>>> would  
> I>>>> need in whole iboga compared how many grams I would need  
> inIboga>>>> root>>>> bark?????>>>> >>>> >>>> Can anybody out there  
> help with this question? I ask before,but>>>> never got>>>> a good  
> answer.  Keep in mind this all hypothetical.>>>> On Jun 28, 2008, a
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