[Ibogaine] gettng 0ff ths -nfghtng counter-prductve list

DC in AZ dcollier9 at cox.net
Sat Jul 5 10:42:38 EDT 2008


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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Nick Sandberg 
  To: 'The Ibogaine List' 
  Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 8:56 AM
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  A guy who's name I've now forgotten had a way to make ibopyrines (if I remember the name right) years back. It was going to be very cheap. If you know about chemistry maybe you could check this out. I think ibogaine itself is quite pricey to synthesise or extract, that's what I've heard anyway.

   

  Nick

   


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  From: ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com [mailto:ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com] On Behalf Of ryan beck
  Sent: 30 June 2008 14:16
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  Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] gettng 0ff ths -nfghtng counter-prductve list

   

        I thought this list was abut the dissemination of ibo and it's value as tool to help people addicted to drugs , but it has turned into a piss fest of egos there are a few that have valuable information regarding ibo. Namely Simon(who have the utmost respect for his knowledge and compassion). If all providers were as compassionate as Simon and Sara. Ibo would become more mainstream, Howard and Sara and a handful of others. This s not about us it is abut something bigger. Ibo has the potential to save 100,000 of thousands lives; and all I see is infighting This is bigger than all of our petty egos, Why can’t we manufacture it n lab in (?)Gabon, I have a M.S in chemistry (and several. PhD in organic chemistry who would be more that happy to join said project), all we need would be to start a lab with the appropriate funds( the formula is very straight forward and it is rather simple) One could produce 100,000s doses a year. It should not cost more than $20 a dose. What is holding the movement back? Infighting! Personal vested interest?



        --- On Sat, 6/28/08, Jeremy Spence <jlspence at mac.com> wrote:

        From: Jeremy Spence <jlspence at mac.com>
        Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] grams of iboga coming off methadone
        To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
        Date: Saturday, June 28, 2008, 6:28 PM

Look i just wanted to know, roughly how many grams you would need, of  root bark??  Like 25grams?? or 50 grams?? I heard somebody on the net talk about if you got 100 grams of whole  root iboga(which not that strong) and it had 1% Ibogaine in it, that  would be 1 gram of ibogaine, and if it has 2%, that would be 2 grams  of ibogaine total of course. Is that true?? I just wondered, Its not like I going to order some today or even next  month, I just wonder that all.   JS    On Jun 28, 2008, at 7:11 PM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote: > Send Ibogaine mailing list submissions to>       ibogaine at mindvox.com> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit>       http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to>       ibogaine-request at mindvox.com> > You can reach the person managing the list at>       ibogaine-owner at mindvox.com> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific> than "Re: Contents of Ibogaine digest..."> > > Today's Topics:> >   1. Re: how many grams would you need of Iboga to come off>      methadone? (simon loxton)>   2. Re: DEA (DC in AZ)>   3. Re: remove (Randy Faulconer)>   4. Jeremy's answer from me (Randy Faulconer)>   5. Sophie (Randy Faulconer)>   6. Re: Ibogaine Digest, Vol 10, Issue 313 (Jeremy Spence)> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Message: 1> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 14:46:54 +0000 (GMT)> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to come>       off     methadone?> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>> Message-ID: <703336.90303.qm at web28613.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"> > Just a basic example to mention is that your heart rate can drop  > which is normal to a degree; but a doctor with no working knowledge  > of ibogaine will take action which would be inappropriate in this  > situation.> Speaking of which; the heart rate and blood pressure need to be  > monitored throughout the experience which would be difficult on ones  > own.> > > ----- Original Message ----> From: Randy Faulconer <bicuitboy714 at gmail.com>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>> Sent: Saturday, 28 June, 2008 4:28:59 PM> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to  > come off methadone?> > >          Absolutely Si!! Agree with Simon here too. Doing Ibogaine  > by yourself is very, very, dangerous. There needs to be somebody  > with EXPERIENCE around when a treatment is going on. Lots of weird  > kind of shit can occur, and an experienced guide will be able to  > handle that without freaking out. Trust me on this yall.> >        I feel kind of weird about giving out the instuctions on how  > to dose it like that my man. This is on second thought you  > understand, COOL?? I asked the same questions when I was first  > looking into Ibo.> >          Get a provider dude, OK? I don't want anything bad to  > happen during a treatment for a lot of reasons.> >          Peace Love and Safety>                Randy> > > On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 9:26 AM, simon loxton  > <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:> > Oh! I get you man; well thats an entirely different story because  > there is no set law. There are many different protocols and dosages  > which is difficult for me to put on an open forum because people who  > are desperate can think of trying short cuts; as seems to possibly  > be the case here. I guess all that has to be stressed besides the  > different options is that this is a matter best discusses with your  > potential provider. Start with a provider and then discuss what the  > best way forward would be for some one in "your" position.> > Sorry about that. Thanks Randy!> > > > ----- Original Message ----> From: Randy Faulconer <bicuitboy714 at gmail.com>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>> Sent: Saturday, 28 June, 2008 3:12:29 PM> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to  > come off methadone?> > >               I'm gonna guess here Si and say that I think that what  > Jeremy wants is specific amounts of each for a hypothetical  > methadone treatment where the person is on 80 mgs of methadone.  > Maybe to see how much it would cost for each. Like I say, I'm  > guessing here. I'll try and figure it out for you J, but give me a  > little while and please remember this is just hypothetical OK?> >               I'll probably be drummed outta the "Corps for thisHe He> >                Peace Love and Finance>                    Randy> > > > On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 5:51 AM, simon loxton  > <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:> > The root contains little ibogaine at all and is used mainly as a  > laxative among other things. The root bark if prepared and matured  > correctly can have up to 6% ibogaine at the most. The batch I tested  > had 5% but most are around 2% if bought commercially. The extract is  > not really available except through Sarah as far as I know.> With the whole root you would be wasting your time as far as detox  > from Methadone.> I hope this helps and is what you are asking for.> > > > ----- Original Message ----> From: Jeremy Spence <jlspence at mac.com>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com> Sent: Saturday, 28 June, 2008 11:39:49 AM> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to  > come off methadone?> > Yes, I ask this, but no body ever answer me???  I mean roughly??  On  > 80mg of methadone??> > > And can anybody out there tell me, what's the difference between the  > extract and whole root iboga, and root bark, how how of difference??  > How big??  Like what would a 100 grams of whole roots iboga compared  > too???? Roughly???  Keep in mind, I know there is some variation in  > Ibogaine content being it's a natural compound. I just want to know,  > roughly??> > How many grams would I need in say, each??  Like how many grams  > would I need in whole iboga compared how many grams I would need in  > Iboga root bark?????> > > Can anybody out there help with this question? I ask before, but  > never got a good answer.  Keep in mind this all hypothetical.> On Jun 28, 2008, at 3:33 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote:> > > > ________________________________> Not happy with your email address?> Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses  > available now at Yahoo!> > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=-> (][%]  :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine ::  [%][)> -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=-> > > > > ________________________________> Not happy with your email address?> Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses  > available now at Yahoo!> > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=-> (][%]  :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine ::  [%][)> -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=-> > >      __________________________________________________________> Not happy with your email address?.> Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses  > available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html> -------------- next part --------------> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...> URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080628/de4ef7c0/attachment-0001.htm> > ------------------------------> > Message: 2> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 08:14:26 -0700> From: "DC in AZ" <dcollier9 at cox.net>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] DEA> To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>> Message-ID:>       <A0573960BD7D4074A46197831812DC2D at agi.alexandergroupinc.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > exactly, which is why common practice in this county (cochise, az)  > is that yur released and charges are dropped> until the state lab tests come back, which talkes too long, which is  > why the charges are almost always dropped.> but they are refiled later depending on lab results a couple few  > weeks later. by then the person is long gone out of state, and they  > wont> press out of state extradition (for possession anyway), since all  > drugs except meth are decrim'd by the az voters here twice.> sick of all of it though, stop the destruction due to drug laws.> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------> Donzo> "Love converts hearts, and gives peace."> __________________________________________________> >  ----- Original Message ----->  From: Eye of the Bhogi>  To: The Ibogaine List>  Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 9:14 PM>  Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] DEA> > >  Reminds me of a line from the String Cheese Incident song,"Texas:"> >  You can't bust me / if you don't know what ya've found!> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------> > > >    -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=->  (][%]  :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine ::  [%][)>    -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=-> -------------- next part --------------> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...> URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080628/ec4e408c/attachment-0001.htm> > ------------------------------> > Message: 3> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:07:11 -0400> From: "Randy Faulconer" <bicuitboy714 at gmail.com>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] remove> To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>> Message-ID:>       <29d165a30806280907w77edbd7eh9b91efa43c9918b6 at mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> >             OK dude, here's my very twisted opinion. The science of> treating people for addiction with Ibogasine isn't an exact thing  > even in a> clinical setting. No two people react the same. When providers treat  > people> here in the US (this may change with Bwiti learnings) they most of  > the time> use Ibogaine HCL, which means hydrochloride. It is as pure as it  > gets for> the one alcoloid of Ibogaine. 96 to 98 per cent pure Ibogaine. They  > do it> body weight. I think you know this so I'll try and make it short.  > Anywhere> from 12 mgs per kg to 24 mgs for the flood dose. Most people don't  > go over> 24 mgs per kg in a 24 hour period. The point is, even with the pure  > Ibo you> have to be there and see the look on the patients face to know if he  > has> enough, and then look for withdrawals later. It takes a provider to  > know> this and everything  else is just guessing. PERIOD. Then different  > drugs are> different treatments. Root bark and extracts are harder to measure  > for a> dosage. That's why Sara is such a good provider with the extact. She  > knows> what she is doing and knows what to look for. There is no cut and  > dry dose> especially with methadone with root bark. I know you don't want to  > hear this> but that's the way it is. Shoot me if I'm wrong. And remember that > is my> opinon and I'm twisted OK??> >              Peace Love and Knowledge>                Randy>           BiscuitBoy Blues> > On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 10:24 AM, DIANA MUIR <pyrospent at verizon.net> > wrote:> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----->> *From:* Jeremy Spence <jlspence at mac.com>>> *To:* ibogaine at mindvox.com>> *Sent:* Saturday, June 28, 2008 5:39 AM>> *Subject:* Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to  >> come>> offmethadone?>> >> Yes, I ask this, but no body ever answer me???  I mean roughly??   >> On 80mg>> of methadone??>> >> And can anybody out there tell me, what's the difference betweenthe>> extract and whole root iboga, and root bark, how how of  >> difference?? How>> big??  Like what would a 100 grams of whole roots iboga compared  >> too????>> Roughly???  Keep in mind, I know there is some variation in>> Ibogaine content being it's a natural compound. I just want toknow,>> roughly??>> >> How many grams would I need in say, each??  Like how many grams  >> would I>> need in whole iboga compared how many grams I would need in Iboga  >> root>> bark?????>> >> >> Can anybody out there help with this question? I ask before, but  >> never got>> a good answer.  Keep in mind this all hypothetical.>> On Jun 28, 2008, at 3:33 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote:>> >> >> ------------------------------>> >> >>  -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=->> (][%]  :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine ::  [%][)>>  -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=->> >> ------------------------------>> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message.>> Checked by AVG.>> Version: 8.0.101 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1522 - Release Date:  >> 6/27/2008>> 8:27 AM>> >> >> >> -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=->> (][%]  :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine ::  [%][)>> -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=->> >> > -------------- next part --------------> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...> URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080628/eb90c56c/attachment-0001.htm> > ------------------------------> > Message: 4> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 13:21:49 -0400> From: "Randy Faulconer" <bicuitboy714 at gmail.com>> Subject: [Ibogaine] Jeremy's answer from me> To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>> Message-ID:>       <29d165a30806281021u661d1535o269bda5e21d1644 at mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > I put an answer to your question on the message that was asking to be> removed. I can't remember the name but it's probably the onlyEmail  > asking> to get off of the list right now. I somehow deleted what is on my  > mail, so I> can't see what I said, but it's there.> >         Peace> > > Randy> -------------- next part --------------> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...> URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080628/357a0500/attachment-0001.htm> > ------------------------------> > Message: 5> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 13:34:48 -0400> From: "Randy Faulconer" <bicuitboy714 at gmail.com>> Subject: [Ibogaine] Sophie> To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>> Message-ID:>       <29d165a30806281034j73730c7cucf9b5ca2afcba2e3 at mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> >    You asked me when, and how much Ibo I did I think, so I'm  > starting this> new thread to asnwer your question.> >     I did my first BIG treatment in the fall of 04, the last of  > September.> I was on 80 mgs of methadone. It was rough, and the treatment itself  > lasted> about 3 days. Being that it was a methadone treatment, I did a bunch  > of> Ibogaine. Total was 34 mgs per kg, but that was spread out over 2> days. After that I did a couple of boosters and a 6 mg tune up the  > next> year. I've had my ups and downs, mostly with alcohol, but I stay in  > the> fight, and never give up. Ask away with questions when you want to,  > and> learn all you can. Have you done Ibogaine?> >              Peace Love and Freedom>                    Randy>                Biscuitboy Blues> -------------- next part --------------> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...> URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080628/62d1dd8b/attachment-0001.htm> > ------------------------------> > Message: 6> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 19:11:25 -0500> From: Jeremy Spence <jlspence at mac.com>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Digest, Vol 10, Issue 313> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com> Message-ID: <295DBBD2-22DF-4D31-96AB-489B3EAA9A28 at mac.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes> > Look you all, I not a child, I can take care of my self! I just ask,> that all, its not like I am going to go right out and down a bunch of> the shit without doing a test dose at least!! I am not that stupid!!!> > I don't have the money for a to go to some one, its not going to> happen for me that way, Its not possible for me that way guys!!!!!> I been on disabitly for nearly 6-7 years and can't work right now, I> just asking it I ever got better, that all!!!> > Look guys, i do it my self anyways, I just wanted help that all, but> since no body will help me here, i guess I just have to try it myself,> trail and error just like i always do!!!  How much would a test dose> be???  I am in good health other wise, no heart problems, liver> problem, or major organ problems, I just have IC that all!  I not even> going to do it un less I get completely better anyways!> > Look if you want to protect people, you need to tell people this> info!! So if they did get some that might know what they are doing!!!!> I have done many types of drugs before, and I know, yes iboga is> different, ok, I know, but would you want people to have the info so> that they might know what to do!! instead of not knowing shit, and> then dong the trail and error thing????> > This board is worthless then if you will not share info> > > On Jun 28, 2008, at 9:29 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote:> >> Send Ibogaine mailing list submissions to>>      ibogaine at mindvox.com>> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit>>      http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to>>      ibogaine-request at mindvox.com>> >> You can reach the person managing the list at>>      ibogaine-owner at mindvox.com>> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific>> than "Re: Contents of Ibogaine digest...">> >> >> Today's Topics:>> >>  1. Re: how many grams would you need of Iboga to come off>>     methadone? (Jeremy Spence)>>  2. Re: Leo Finegold?Dana get a life (Adam Nodelman)>>  3. Re: how many grams would you need of Iboga to come off>>     methadone? (simon loxton)>>  4. Planetary Harmonics and Neurobiological sesonances (simon loxton)>>  5. Re: how many grams would you need of Iboga to come off>>     methadone? (Randy Faulconer)>>  6. Re: Planetary Harmonics and Neurobiological sesonances>>     (Jan Ludewig)>>  7. Re: how many grams would you need of Iboga to come off>>     methadone? (simon loxton)>>  8. remove (DIANA MUIR)>>  9. Re: how many grams would you need of Iboga to come off>>     methadone? (Randy Faulconer)>> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------->> >> Message: 1>> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 04:39:49 -0500>> From: Jeremy Spence <jlspence at mac.com>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to  >> come>>      off     methadone?>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com>> Message-ID: <B68766A9-599F-450F-9551-86F522D0E1F1 at mac.com>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii">> >> Yes, I ask this, but no body ever answer me???  I mean roughly??  On>> 80mg of methadone??>> >> >> And can anybody out there tell me, what's the difference betweenthe>> extract and whole root iboga, and root bark, how how of difference??>> How big??  Like what would a 100 grams of whole roots iboga compared>> too???? Roughly???  Keep in mind, I know there is some variation in>> Ibogaine content being it's a natural compound. I just want toknow,>> roughly??>> >> How many grams would I need in say, each??  Like how many grams would>> I need in whole iboga compared how many grams I would need in Iboga>> root bark?????>> >> >> Can anybody out there help with this question? I ask before, but  >> never>> got a good answer.  Keep in mind this all hypothetical.>> On Jun 28, 2008, at 3:33 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote:>> >>> >> -------------- next part -------------->> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...>> URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080628/af1a041e/attachment-0001.htm>> >> ------------------------------>> >> Message: 2>> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 02:42:00 -0700 (PDT)>> From: Adam Nodelman <jonathanswiftboat at yahoo.com>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold?Dana get a life>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>>> Message-ID: <948719.82485.qm at web37405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii">> >> That might be the whole point:The plant helps the people towards>> self discovery, the addict treats himself in the end.No one that I>> know ever claimed to be a guru. Looking for one Nick?   As for>> underlining issues, well...I'm sure we all strive to reach your>> perfectly balanced higher plane but alas, were just not all there.>> Adam>> >> >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------->> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...>> URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080628/0160ed79/attachment-0001.htm>> >> ------------------------------>> >> Message: 3>> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 09:51:04 +0000 (GMT)>> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to  >> come>>      off     methadone?>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>>> Message-ID: <976636.56653.qm at web28610.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8">> >> The root contains little ibogaine at all and is used mainly as a>> laxative among other things. The root bark if prepared and matured>> correctly can have up to 6% ibogaine at the most. The batch I tested>> had 5% but most are around 2% if bought commercially. The extract is>> not really available except through Sarah as far as I know.>> With the whole root you would be wasting your time as far as detox>> from Methadone.>> I hope this helps and is what you are asking for.>> >> >> ----- Original Message ---->> From: Jeremy Spence <jlspence at mac.com>>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com>> Sent: Saturday, 28 June, 2008 11:39:49 AM>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to>> come off methadone?>> >> Yes, I ask this, but no body ever answer me???  I mean roughly??  On>> 80mg of methadone??>> >> >> And can anybody out there tell me, what's the difference betweenthe>> extract and whole root iboga, and root bark, how how of difference??>> How big??  Like what would a 100 grams of whole roots iboga compared>> too???? Roughly???  Keep in mind, I know there is some variation in>> Ibogaine content being it's a natural compound. I just want toknow,>> roughly??>> >> How many grams would I need in say, each??  Like how many grams>> would I need in whole iboga compared how many grams I would need in>> Iboga root bark?????>> >> >> Can anybody out there help with this question? I ask before, but>> never got a good answer.  Keep in mind this all hypothetical.>> On Jun 28, 2008, at 3:33 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote:>> >> >>     __________________________________________________________>> Not happy with your email address?.>> Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses>> available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html>> -------------- next part -------------->> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...>> URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080628/1c9d00e4/attachment-0001.htm>> >> ------------------------------>> >> Message: 4>> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 13:06:12 +0000 (GMT)>> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>>> Subject: [Ibogaine] Planetary Harmonics and Neurobiological  >> sesonances>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com>> Message-ID: <593912.29605.qm at web28606.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8">> >> http://www.lunarplanner.com/Harmonics/planetary-harmonics.html>> >> I found some interesting tables for people who work with sound or>> light in any way.>> >> >> >>     __________________________________________________________>> Not happy with your email address?.>> Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses>> available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html>> -------------- next part -------------->> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...>> URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080628/9fda5400/attachment-0001.htm>> >> ------------------------------>> >> Message: 5>> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 09:12:29 -0400>> From: "Randy Faulconer" <bicuitboy714 at gmail.com>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to  >> come>>      off     methadone?>> To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>>> Message-ID:>>      <29d165a30806280612u399dda1h4fc9ad7676521156 at mail.gmail.com>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1">> >>              I'm gonna guess here Si and say that I think thatwhat>> Jeremy>> wants is specific amounts of each for a hypothetical methadone>> treatment>> where the person is on 80 mgs of methadone. Maybe to see how much it>> would>> cost for each. Like I say, I'm guessing here. I'll try andfigure it>> out for>> you J, but give me a little while and please remember this is just>> hypothetical OK?>> >>              I'll probably be drummed outta the "Corps forthis He He>> >>               Peace Love and Finance>>                   Randy>> >> >> On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 5:51 AM, simon loxton>> <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>>> wrote:>> >>> The root contains little ibogaine at all and is used mainly as a>>> laxative>>> among other things. The root bark if prepared and maturedcorrectly>>> can have>>> up to 6% ibogaine at the most. The batch I tested had 5% but most>>> are around>>> 2% if bought commercially. The extract is not really available  >>> except>>> through Sarah as far as I know.>>> With the whole root you would be wasting your time as far as detox>>> from>>> Methadone.>>> I hope this helps and is what you are asking for.>>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ---->>> From: Jeremy Spence <jlspence at mac.com>>>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com>>> Sent: Saturday, 28 June, 2008 11:39:49 AM>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to>>> come off>>> methadone?>>> >>> Yes, I ask this, but no body ever answer me???  I mean roughly??>>> On 80mg>>> of methadone??>>> >>> And can anybody out there tell me, what's the differencebetween the>>> extract and whole root iboga, and root bark, how how of>>> difference?? How>>> big??  Like what would a 100 grams of whole roots iboga compared>>> too????>>> Roughly???  Keep in mind, I know there is some variation in>>> Ibogaine content being it's a natural compound. I just want toknow,>>> roughly??>>> >>> How many grams would I need in say, each??  Like how many grams>>> would I>>> need in whole iboga compared how many grams I would need in Iboga>>> root>>> bark?????>>> >>> >>> Can anybody out there help with this question? I ask before, but>>> never got>>> a good answer.  Keep in mind this all hypothetical.>>> On Jun 28, 2008, at 3:33 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote:>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------>>> Not happy with your email address?>>> Get the one you really want <http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/>>> new.html> ->>> millions of new email addresses available now atYahoo!<http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html>>>> >>> >>> >>> -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=->>> (][%]  :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine ::  [%][)>>> -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=->>> >>> >> -------------- next part -------------->> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...>> URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080628/451e1c44/attachment-0001.htm>> >> ------------------------------>> >> Message: 6>> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 14:20:12 +0100>> From: Jan Ludewig <jl at drug-policy.eu>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Planetary Harmonics and Neurobiological>>      sesonances>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>>> Cc: cousto at eve-rave.net>> Message-ID: <48663A8C.30905 at drug-policy.eu>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed>> >> simon loxton wrote:>>> http://www.lunarplanner.com/Harmonics/planetary-harmonics.html>>> >>> I found some interesting tables for people who work with sound or>>> light in any way.>> Hans Cousto (Eve & Rave) did some research on that:>> http://www.planetware.de/octave/>> I assume/am sure he is open to questions: *cousto at eve-rave.net>> >> jl>> *>> >> >> ------------------------------>> >> Message: 7>> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 13:26:58 +0000 (GMT)>> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to  >> come>>      off     methadone?>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>>> Message-ID: <481818.49802.qm at web28607.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8">> >> Oh! I get you man; well thats an entirely different story because>> there is no set law. There are many different protocols and dosages>> which is difficult for me to put on an open forum because people who>> are desperate can think of trying short cuts; as seems to possibly>> be the case here. I guess all that has to be stressed besides the>> different options is that this is a matter best discusses with your>> potential provider. Start with a provider and then discuss what the>> best way forward would be for some one in "your" position.>> >> Sorry about that. Thanks Randy!>> >> >> ----- Original Message ---->> From: Randy Faulconer <bicuitboy714 at gmail.com>>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>>> Sent: Saturday, 28 June, 2008 3:12:29 PM>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to>> come off methadone?>> >> >>              I'm gonna guess here Si and say that I think thatwhat>> Jeremy wants is specific amounts of each for a hypothetical>> methadone treatment where the person is on 80 mgs of methadone.>> Maybe to see how much it would cost for each. Like I say, I'm>> guessing here. I'll try and figure it out for you J, but give me a>> little while and please remember this is just hypothetical OK?>> >>              I'll probably be drummed outta the "Corps forthis He He>> >>               Peace Love and Finance>>                   Randy>> >> >> >> On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 5:51 AM, simon loxton>> <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:>> >> The root contains little ibogaine at all and is used mainly as a>> laxative among other things. The root bark if prepared and matured>> correctly can have up to 6% ibogaine at the most. The batch I tested>> had 5% but most are around 2% if bought commercially. The extract is>> not really available except through Sarah as far as I know.>> With the whole root you would be wasting your time as far as detox>> from Methadone.>> I hope this helps and is what you are asking for.>> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---->> From: Jeremy Spence <jlspence at mac.com>>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com>> Sent: Saturday, 28 June, 2008 11:39:49 AM>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to>> come off methadone?>> >> Yes, I ask this, but no body ever answer me???  I mean roughly??  On>> 80mg of methadone??>> >> >> And can anybody out there tell me, what's the difference betweenthe>> extract and whole root iboga, and root bark, how how of difference??>> How big??  Like what would a 100 grams of whole roots iboga compared>> too???? Roughly???  Keep in mind, I know there is some variation in>> Ibogaine content being it's a natural compound. I just want toknow,>> roughly??>> >> How many grams would I need in say, each??  Like how many grams>> would I need in whole iboga compared how many grams I would need in>> Iboga root bark?????>> >> >> Can anybody out there help with this question? I ask before, but>> never got a good answer.  Keep in mind this all hypothetical.>> On Jun 28, 2008, at 3:33 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote:>> >> >> >> ________________________________>> Not happy with your email address?>> Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses>> available now at Yahoo!>> >> -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=->> (][%]  :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine ::  [%][)>> -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=->> >> >>     __________________________________________________________>> Not happy with your email address?.>> Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses>> available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html>> -------------- next part -------------->> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...>> URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080628/af972739/attachment-0001.htm>> >> ------------------------------>> >> Message: 8>> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 10:24:51 -0400>> From: "DIANA MUIR" <pyrospent at verizon.net>>> Subject: [Ibogaine] remove>> To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>>> Message-ID: <001a01c8d92a$ba6e3e20$4101a8c0 at Pyro>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1">> >> >> ----- Original Message ----->> From: Jeremy Spence>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com>> Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 5:39 AM>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to>> come offmethadone?>> >> >> Yes, I ask this, but no body ever answer me???  I mean roughly??>> On 80mg of methadone??>> >> >> >> >> And can anybody out there tell me, what's the difference between>> the extract and whole root iboga, and root bark, how how of>> difference?? How big??  Like what would a 100 grams of whole roots>> iboga compared too???? Roughly???  Keep in mind, I know there is>> some variation in Ibogaine content being it's a natural compound.I>> just want to know, roughly??>> >> >> How many grams would I need in say, each??  Like how many grams>> would I need in whole iboga compared how many grams I would need in>> Iboga root bark?????>> >> >> >> >> Can anybody out there help with this question? I ask before, but>> never got a good answer.  Keep in mind this all hypothetical.>> On Jun 28, 2008, at 3:33 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote:>> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------>> >> >> >>   -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=->> (][%]  :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine ::  [%][)>>   -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=->> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------>> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message.>> Checked by AVG.>> Version: 8.0.101 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1522 - Release Date:>> 6/27/2008 8:27 AM>> -------------- next part -------------->> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...>> URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080628/881caa42/attachment-0001.htm>> >> ------------------------------>> >> Message: 9>> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 10:28:59 -0400>> From: "Randy Faulconer" <bicuitboy714 at gmail.com>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to  >> come>>      off     methadone?>> To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>>> Message-ID:>>      <29d165a30806280728j6c7b4549ld4dd70fc6844cd54 at mail.gmail.com>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1">> >>         Absolutely Si!! Agree with Simon here too. Doing Ibogaine by>> yourself is very, very, dangerous. There needs to be somebody with>> EXPERIENCE around when a treatment is going on. Lots of weird kind>> of shit>> can occur, and an experienced guide will be able to handle that>> without>> freaking out. Trust me on this yall.>> >>       I feel kind of weird about giving out the instuctions on how>> to dose>> it like that my man. This is on second thought you understand,>> COOL?? I>> asked the same questions when I was first looking into Ibo.>> >>         Get a provider dude, OK? I don't want anything bad tohappen>> during a treatment for a lot of reasons.>> >>         Peace Love and Safety>>               Randy>> >> On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 9:26 AM, simon loxton>> <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>>> wrote:>> >>> Oh! I get you man; well thats an entirely different story because>>> there>>> is no set law. There are many different protocols and dosageswhich>>> is>>> difficult for me to put on an open forum because people who are>>> desperate>>> can think of trying short cuts; as seems to possibly be the case>>> here. I>>> guess all that has to be stressed besides the different options is>>> that this>>> is a matter best discusses with your potential provider. Start  >>> with a>>> provider and then discuss what the best way forward would be for>>> some one in>>> "your" position.>>> >>> Sorry about that. Thanks Randy!>>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ---->>> From: Randy Faulconer <bicuitboy714 at gmail.com>>>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>>>> Sent: Saturday, 28 June, 2008 3:12:29 PM>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to>>> come off>>> methadone?>>> >>>              I'm gonna guess here Si and say that I think thatwhat>>> Jeremy wants is specific amounts of each for a hypothetical  >>> methadone>>> treatment where the person is on 80 mgs of methadone. Maybe to see>>> how much>>> it would cost for each. Like I say, I'm guessing here.I'll try and>>> figure>>> it out for you J, but give me a little while and please remember>>> this is>>> just hypothetical OK?>>> >>>              I'll probably be drummed outta the "Corpsfor this He>>> He>>> >>>               Peace Love and Finance>>>                   Randy>>> >>> >>> On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 5:51 AM, simon loxton<simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>>>> >>> wrote:>>> >>>> The root contains little ibogaine at all and is used mainly asa>>>> laxative among other things. The root bark if prepared andmatured>>>> correctly>>>> can have up to 6% ibogaine at the most. The batch I tested had5%>>>> but most>>>> are around 2% if bought commercially. The extract is notreally>>>> available>>>> except through Sarah as far as I know.>>>> With the whole root you would be wasting your time as far asdetox>>>> from>>>> Methadone.>>>> I hope this helps and is what you are asking for.>>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ---->>>> From: Jeremy Spence <jlspence at mac.com>>>>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com>>>> Sent: Saturday, 28 June, 2008 11:39:49 AM>>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Ibogato>>>> come off>>>> methadone?>>>> >>>> Yes, I ask this, but no body ever answer me???  I meanroughly??>>>> On 80mg>>>> of methadone??>>>> >>>> And can anybody out there tell me, what's the differencebetween  >>>> the>>>> extract and whole root iboga, and root bark, how how of>>>> difference?? How>>>> big??  Like what would a 100 grams of whole roots ibogacompared>>>> too????>>>> Roughly???  Keep in mind, I know there is some variation in>>>> Ibogaine content being it's a natural compound. I justwant to  >>>> know,>>>> roughly??>>>> >>>> How many grams would I need in say, each??  Like how manygrams>>>> would I>>>> need in whole iboga compared how many grams I would need inIboga>>>> root>>>> bark?????>>>> >>>> >>>> Can anybody out there help with this question? I ask before,but>>>> never got>>>> a good answer.  Keep in mind this all hypothetical.>>>> On Jun 28, 2008, at 3:33 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.comwrote:>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------>>>> Not happy with your email address?>>>> Get the one you really want<http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/>>>> new.html> ->>>> millions of new email addresses available now atYahoo!<http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=->>>> (][%]  :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][)>>>> -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=->>>> >>>> >>> >>> ------------------------------>>> Not happy with your email address?>>> Get the one you really want <http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/>>> new.html> ->>> millions of new email addresses available now atYahoo!<http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html>>>> >>> >>> >>> -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=->>> (][%]  :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine ::  [%][)>>> -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=->>> >>> >> -------------- next part -------------->> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...>> URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080628/5516d326/attachment.htm>> >> ------------------------------>> >> >> -=[) :::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=->> (][%]  :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine ::  [%][)>> -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe ::::: (]=->> >> >> End of Ibogaine Digest, Vol 10, Issue 313>> *****************************************> > > > ------------------------------> > >  -=[) :::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=-> (][%]  :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine ::  [%][)>  -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe ::::: (]=-> > > End of Ibogaine Digest, Vol 10, Issue 314> *****************************************    -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=-(][%]  :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine ::  [%][)  -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- 

   



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