From wleetheriot at ca.rr.com Thu Jul 3 00:08:19 2008 From: wleetheriot at ca.rr.com (Warren Theriot) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 21:08:19 -0700 Subject: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Re: hello list? Message-ID: <3E6C19FF-7667-4F56-8D6E-884CDA7D4B22@ca.rr.com> Anyone notice a dropoff of list messages in the last 2 days? Warren From nick227 at tiscali.co.uk Thu Jul 3 09:44:24 2008 From: nick227 at tiscali.co.uk (Nick Sandberg) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 14:44:24 +0100 Subject: [Ibogaine] ibogaine - tripping the habit In-Reply-To: <848277f90806301848y4e712f36m774a497472b2a252@mail.gmail.com> References: <4867CF6A.3080803@gmail.com><629028.28290.qm@web54304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <848277f90806301848y4e712f36m774a497472b2a252@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003501c8dd12$e91c3970$0b01a8c0@amira> Ed Owles' short film, Tripping the Habit, for Current TV is now online at http://current.com/items/89052170_tripping_the_habit It's got me + a few other brits in it. Nick From janna at tcmclinic.org Thu Jul 3 23:19:46 2008 From: janna at tcmclinic.org (Janna Pijoan) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 21:19:46 -0600 Subject: [Ibogaine] what happened Message-ID: <001d01c8dd84$d127d7d0$0201a8c0@LAPTOP> Hi, I had been on the Ibogaine email list for about 4 months and then, all of a sudden, I stopped receiving anything about 3-4 days agao. What happened? My email is janna at tcmclinic.org Thank you, Janna Pijoan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Isaiah 65:23 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Donzo "Love converts hearts, and gives peace." __________________________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Sandberg To: 'The Ibogaine List' Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] gettng 0ff ths -nfghtng counter-prductve list A guy who's name I've now forgotten had a way to make ibopyrines (if I remember the name right) years back. It was going to be very cheap. If you know about chemistry maybe you could check this out. I think ibogaine itself is quite pricey to synthesise or extract, that's what I've heard anyway. Nick ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com [mailto:ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com] On Behalf Of ryan beck Sent: 30 June 2008 14:16 To: The Ibogaine List Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] gettng 0ff ths -nfghtng counter-prductve list I thought this list was abut the dissemination of ibo and it's value as tool to help people addicted to drugs , but it has turned into a piss fest of egos there are a few that have valuable information regarding ibo. Namely Simon(who have the utmost respect for his knowledge and compassion). If all providers were as compassionate as Simon and Sara. Ibo would become more mainstream, Howard and Sara and a handful of others. This s not about us it is abut something bigger. Ibo has the potential to save 100,000 of thousands lives; and all I see is infighting This is bigger than all of our petty egos, Why can?t we manufacture it n lab in (?)Gabon, I have a M.S in chemistry (and several. PhD in organic chemistry who would be more that happy to join said project), all we need would be to start a lab with the appropriate funds( the formula is very straight forward and it is rather simple) One could produce 100,000s doses a year. It should not cost more than $20 a dose. What is holding the movement back? Infighting! Personal vested interest? --- On Sat, 6/28/08, Jeremy Spence wrote: From: Jeremy Spence Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] grams of iboga coming off methadone To: ibogaine at mindvox.com Date: Saturday, June 28, 2008, 6:28 PM Look i just wanted to know, roughly how many grams you would need, of root bark?? Like 25grams?? or 50 grams?? I heard somebody on the net talk about if you got 100 grams of whole root iboga(which not that strong) and it had 1% Ibogaine in it, that would be 1 gram of ibogaine, and if it has 2%, that would be 2 grams of ibogaine total of course. Is that true?? I just wondered, Its not like I going to order some today or even next month, I just wonder that all. JS On Jun 28, 2008, at 7:11 PM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote: > Send Ibogaine mailing list submissions to> ibogaine at mindvox.com> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit> http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to> ibogaine-request at mindvox.com> > You can reach the person managing the list at> ibogaine-owner at mindvox.com> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific> than "Re: Contents of Ibogaine digest..."> > > Today's Topics:> > 1. Re: how many grams would you need of Iboga to come off> methadone? (simon loxton)> 2. Re: DEA (DC in AZ)> 3. Re: remove (Randy Faulconer)> 4. Jeremy's answer from me (Randy Faulconer)> 5. Sophie (Randy Faulconer)> 6. Re: Ibogaine Digest, Vol 10, Issue 313 (Jeremy Spence)> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Message: 1> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 14:46:54 +0000 (GMT)> From: simon loxton > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to come> off methadone?> To: The Ibogaine List > Message-ID: <703336.90303.qm at web28613.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"> > Just a basic example to mention is that your heart rate can drop > which is normal to a degree; but a doctor with no working knowledge > of ibogaine will take action which would be inappropriate in this > situation.> Speaking of which; the heart rate and blood pressure need to be > monitored throughout the experience which would be difficult on ones > own.> > > ----- Original Message ----> From: Randy Faulconer > To: The Ibogaine List > Sent: Saturday, 28 June, 2008 4:28:59 PM> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to > come off methadone?> > > Absolutely Si!! Agree with Simon here too. Doing Ibogaine > by yourself is very, very, dangerous. There needs to be somebody > with EXPERIENCE around when a treatment is going on. Lots of weird > kind of shit can occur, and an experienced guide will be able to > handle that without freaking out. Trust me on this yall.> > I feel kind of weird about giving out the instuctions on how > to dose it like that my man. This is on second thought you > understand, COOL?? I asked the same questions when I was first > looking into Ibo.> > Get a provider dude, OK? I don't want anything bad to > happen during a treatment for a lot of reasons.> > Peace Love and Safety> Randy> > > On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 9:26 AM, simon loxton > wrote:> > Oh! I get you man; well thats an entirely different story because > there is no set law. There are many different protocols and dosages > which is difficult for me to put on an open forum because people who > are desperate can think of trying short cuts; as seems to possibly > be the case here. I guess all that has to be stressed besides the > different options is that this is a matter best discusses with your > potential provider. Start with a provider and then discuss what the > best way forward would be for some one in "your" position.> > Sorry about that. Thanks Randy!> > > > ----- Original Message ----> From: Randy Faulconer > To: The Ibogaine List > Sent: Saturday, 28 June, 2008 3:12:29 PM> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to > come off methadone?> > > I'm gonna guess here Si and say that I think that what > Jeremy wants is specific amounts of each for a hypothetical > methadone treatment where the person is on 80 mgs of methadone. > Maybe to see how much it would cost for each. Like I say, I'm > guessing here. I'll try and figure it out for you J, but give me a > little while and please remember this is just hypothetical OK?> > I'll probably be drummed outta the "Corps for thisHe He> > Peace Love and Finance> Randy> > > > On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 5:51 AM, simon loxton > wrote:> > The root contains little ibogaine at all and is used mainly as a > laxative among other things. The root bark if prepared and matured > correctly can have up to 6% ibogaine at the most. The batch I tested > had 5% but most are around 2% if bought commercially. The extract is > not really available except through Sarah as far as I know.> With the whole root you would be wasting your time as far as detox > from Methadone.> I hope this helps and is what you are asking for.> > > > ----- Original Message ----> From: Jeremy Spence > To: ibogaine at mindvox.com> Sent: Saturday, 28 June, 2008 11:39:49 AM> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to > come off methadone?> > Yes, I ask this, but no body ever answer me??? I mean roughly?? On > 80mg of methadone??> > > And can anybody out there tell me, what's the difference between the > extract and whole root iboga, and root bark, how how of difference?? > How big?? Like what would a 100 grams of whole roots iboga compared > too???? Roughly??? Keep in mind, I know there is some variation in > Ibogaine content being it's a natural compound. I just want to know, > roughly??> > How many grams would I need in say, each?? Like how many grams > would I need in whole iboga compared how many grams I would need in > Iboga root bark?????> > > Can anybody out there help with this question? I ask before, but > never got a good answer. Keep in mind this all hypothetical.> On Jun 28, 2008, at 3:33 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote:> > > > ________________________________> Not happy with your email address?> Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses > available now at Yahoo!> > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=-> (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][)> -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=-> > > > > ________________________________> Not happy with your email address?> Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses > available now at Yahoo!> > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=-> (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][)> -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=-> > > __________________________________________________________> Not happy with your email address?.> Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses > available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html> -------------- next part --------------> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...> URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080628/de4ef7c0/attachment-0001.htm> > ------------------------------> > Message: 2> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 08:14:26 -0700> From: "DC in AZ" > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] DEA> To: "The Ibogaine List" > Message-ID:> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > exactly, which is why common practice in this county (cochise, az) > is that yur released and charges are dropped> until the state lab tests come back, which talkes too long, which is > why the charges are almost always dropped.> but they are refiled later depending on lab results a couple few > weeks later. by then the person is long gone out of state, and they > wont> press out of state extradition (for possession anyway), since all > drugs except meth are decrim'd by the az voters here twice.> sick of all of it though, stop the destruction due to drug laws.> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------> Donzo> "Love converts hearts, and gives peace."> __________________________________________________> > ----- Original Message -----> From: Eye of the Bhogi> To: The Ibogaine List> Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 9:14 PM> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] DEA> > > Reminds me of a line from the String Cheese Incident song,"Texas:"> > You can't bust me / if you don't know what ya've found!> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------> > > > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=-> (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][)> -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=-> -------------- next part --------------> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...> URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080628/ec4e408c/attachment-0001.htm> > ------------------------------> > Message: 3> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:07:11 -0400> From: "Randy Faulconer" > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] remove> To: "The Ibogaine List" > Message-ID:> <29d165a30806280907w77edbd7eh9b91efa43c9918b6 at mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > OK dude, here's my very twisted opinion. The science of> treating people for addiction with Ibogasine isn't an exact thing > even in a> clinical setting. No two people react the same. When providers treat > people> here in the US (this may change with Bwiti learnings) they most of > the time> use Ibogaine HCL, which means hydrochloride. It is as pure as it > gets for> the one alcoloid of Ibogaine. 96 to 98 per cent pure Ibogaine. They > do it> body weight. I think you know this so I'll try and make it short. > Anywhere> from 12 mgs per kg to 24 mgs for the flood dose. Most people don't > go over> 24 mgs per kg in a 24 hour period. The point is, even with the pure > Ibo you> have to be there and see the look on the patients face to know if he > has> enough, and then look for withdrawals later. It takes a provider to > know> this and everything else is just guessing. PERIOD. Then different > drugs are> different treatments. Root bark and extracts are harder to measure > for a> dosage. That's why Sara is such a good provider with the extact. She > knows> what she is doing and knows what to look for. There is no cut and > dry dose> especially with methadone with root bark. I know you don't want to > hear this> but that's the way it is. Shoot me if I'm wrong. And remember that > is my> opinon and I'm twisted OK??> > Peace Love and Knowledge> Randy> BiscuitBoy Blues> > On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 10:24 AM, DIANA MUIR > wrote:> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----->> *From:* Jeremy Spence >> *To:* ibogaine at mindvox.com>> *Sent:* Saturday, June 28, 2008 5:39 AM>> *Subject:* Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to >> come>> offmethadone?>> >> Yes, I ask this, but no body ever answer me??? I mean roughly?? >> On 80mg>> of methadone??>> >> And can anybody out there tell me, what's the difference betweenthe>> extract and whole root iboga, and root bark, how how of >> difference?? How>> big?? Like what would a 100 grams of whole roots iboga compared >> too????>> Roughly??? Keep in mind, I know there is some variation in>> Ibogaine content being it's a natural compound. I just want toknow,>> roughly??>> >> How many grams would I need in say, each?? Like how many grams >> would I>> need in whole iboga compared how many grams I would need in Iboga >> root>> bark?????>> >> >> Can anybody out there help with this question? I ask before, but >> never got>> a good answer. Keep in mind this all hypothetical.>> On Jun 28, 2008, at 3:33 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote:>> >> >> ------------------------------>> >> >> -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=->> (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][)>> -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=->> >> ------------------------------>> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message.>> Checked by AVG.>> Version: 8.0.101 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1522 - Release Date: >> 6/27/2008>> 8:27 AM>> >> >> >> -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=->> (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][)>> -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=->> >> > -------------- next part --------------> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...> URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080628/eb90c56c/attachment-0001.htm> > ------------------------------> > Message: 4> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 13:21:49 -0400> From: "Randy Faulconer" > Subject: [Ibogaine] Jeremy's answer from me> To: "The Ibogaine List" > Message-ID:> <29d165a30806281021u661d1535o269bda5e21d1644 at mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > I put an answer to your question on the message that was asking to be> removed. I can't remember the name but it's probably the onlyEmail > asking> to get off of the list right now. I somehow deleted what is on my > mail, so I> can't see what I said, but it's there.> > Peace> > > Randy> -------------- next part --------------> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...> URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080628/357a0500/attachment-0001.htm> > ------------------------------> > Message: 5> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 13:34:48 -0400> From: "Randy Faulconer" > Subject: [Ibogaine] Sophie> To: "The Ibogaine List" > Message-ID:> <29d165a30806281034j73730c7cucf9b5ca2afcba2e3 at mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > You asked me when, and how much Ibo I did I think, so I'm > starting this> new thread to asnwer your question.> > I did my first BIG treatment in the fall of 04, the last of > September.> I was on 80 mgs of methadone. It was rough, and the treatment itself > lasted> about 3 days. Being that it was a methadone treatment, I did a bunch > of> Ibogaine. Total was 34 mgs per kg, but that was spread out over 2> days. After that I did a couple of boosters and a 6 mg tune up the > next> year. I've had my ups and downs, mostly with alcohol, but I stay in > the> fight, and never give up. Ask away with questions when you want to, > and> learn all you can. Have you done Ibogaine?> > Peace Love and Freedom> Randy> Biscuitboy Blues> -------------- next part --------------> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...> URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080628/62d1dd8b/attachment-0001.htm> > ------------------------------> > Message: 6> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 19:11:25 -0500> From: Jeremy Spence > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Digest, Vol 10, Issue 313> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com> Message-ID: <295DBBD2-22DF-4D31-96AB-489B3EAA9A28 at mac.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes> > Look you all, I not a child, I can take care of my self! I just ask,> that all, its not like I am going to go right out and down a bunch of> the shit without doing a test dose at least!! I am not that stupid!!!> > I don't have the money for a to go to some one, its not going to> happen for me that way, Its not possible for me that way guys!!!!!> I been on disabitly for nearly 6-7 years and can't work right now, I> just asking it I ever got better, that all!!!> > Look guys, i do it my self anyways, I just wanted help that all, but> since no body will help me here, i guess I just have to try it myself,> trail and error just like i always do!!! How much would a test dose> be??? I am in good health other wise, no heart problems, liver> problem, or major organ problems, I just have IC that all! I not even> going to do it un less I get completely better anyways!> > Look if you want to protect people, you need to tell people this> info!! So if they did get some that might know what they are doing!!!!> I have done many types of drugs before, and I know, yes iboga is> different, ok, I know, but would you want people to have the info so> that they might know what to do!! instead of not knowing shit, and> then dong the trail and error thing????> > This board is worthless then if you will not share info> > > On Jun 28, 2008, at 9:29 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote:> >> Send Ibogaine mailing list submissions to>> ibogaine at mindvox.com>> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit>> http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to>> ibogaine-request at mindvox.com>> >> You can reach the person managing the list at>> ibogaine-owner at mindvox.com>> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific>> than "Re: Contents of Ibogaine digest...">> >> >> Today's Topics:>> >> 1. Re: how many grams would you need of Iboga to come off>> methadone? (Jeremy Spence)>> 2. Re: Leo Finegold?Dana get a life (Adam Nodelman)>> 3. Re: how many grams would you need of Iboga to come off>> methadone? (simon loxton)>> 4. Planetary Harmonics and Neurobiological sesonances (simon loxton)>> 5. Re: how many grams would you need of Iboga to come off>> methadone? (Randy Faulconer)>> 6. Re: Planetary Harmonics and Neurobiological sesonances>> (Jan Ludewig)>> 7. Re: how many grams would you need of Iboga to come off>> methadone? (simon loxton)>> 8. remove (DIANA MUIR)>> 9. Re: how many grams would you need of Iboga to come off>> methadone? (Randy Faulconer)>> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------->> >> Message: 1>> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 04:39:49 -0500>> From: Jeremy Spence >> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to >> come>> off methadone?>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com>> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii">> >> Yes, I ask this, but no body ever answer me??? I mean roughly?? On>> 80mg of methadone??>> >> >> And can anybody out there tell me, what's the difference betweenthe>> extract and whole root iboga, and root bark, how how of difference??>> How big?? Like what would a 100 grams of whole roots iboga compared>> too???? Roughly??? Keep in mind, I know there is some variation in>> Ibogaine content being it's a natural compound. I just want toknow,>> roughly??>> >> How many grams would I need in say, each?? Like how many grams would>> I need in whole iboga compared how many grams I would need in Iboga>> root bark?????>> >> >> Can anybody out there help with this question? I ask before, but >> never>> got a good answer. Keep in mind this all hypothetical.>> On Jun 28, 2008, at 3:33 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote:>> >>> >> -------------- next part -------------->> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...>> URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080628/af1a041e/attachment-0001.htm>> >> ------------------------------>> >> Message: 2>> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 02:42:00 -0700 (PDT)>> From: Adam Nodelman >> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold?Dana get a life>> To: The Ibogaine List >> Message-ID: <948719.82485.qm at web37405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii">> >> That might be the whole point:The plant helps the people towards>> self discovery, the addict treats himself in the end.No one that I>> know ever claimed to be a guru. Looking for one Nick? As for>> underlining issues, well...I'm sure we all strive to reach your>> perfectly balanced higher plane but alas, were just not all there.>> Adam>> >> >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------->> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...>> URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080628/0160ed79/attachment-0001.htm>> >> ------------------------------>> >> Message: 3>> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 09:51:04 +0000 (GMT)>> From: simon loxton >> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to >> come>> off methadone?>> To: The Ibogaine List >> Message-ID: <976636.56653.qm at web28610.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8">> >> The root contains little ibogaine at all and is used mainly as a>> laxative among other things. The root bark if prepared and matured>> correctly can have up to 6% ibogaine at the most. The batch I tested>> had 5% but most are around 2% if bought commercially. The extract is>> not really available except through Sarah as far as I know.>> With the whole root you would be wasting your time as far as detox>> from Methadone.>> I hope this helps and is what you are asking for.>> >> >> ----- Original Message ---->> From: Jeremy Spence >> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com>> Sent: Saturday, 28 June, 2008 11:39:49 AM>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to>> come off methadone?>> >> Yes, I ask this, but no body ever answer me??? I mean roughly?? On>> 80mg of methadone??>> >> >> And can anybody out there tell me, what's the difference betweenthe>> extract and whole root iboga, and root bark, how how of difference??>> How big?? Like what would a 100 grams of whole roots iboga compared>> too???? Roughly??? Keep in mind, I know there is some variation in>> Ibogaine content being it's a natural compound. I just want toknow,>> roughly??>> >> How many grams would I need in say, each?? Like how many grams>> would I need in whole iboga compared how many grams I would need in>> Iboga root bark?????>> >> >> Can anybody out there help with this question? I ask before, but>> never got a good answer. Keep in mind this all hypothetical.>> On Jun 28, 2008, at 3:33 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote:>> >> >> __________________________________________________________>> Not happy with your email address?.>> Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses>> available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html>> -------------- next part -------------->> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...>> URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080628/1c9d00e4/attachment-0001.htm>> >> ------------------------------>> >> Message: 4>> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 13:06:12 +0000 (GMT)>> From: simon loxton >> Subject: [Ibogaine] Planetary Harmonics and Neurobiological >> sesonances>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com>> Message-ID: <593912.29605.qm at web28606.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8">> >> http://www.lunarplanner.com/Harmonics/planetary-harmonics.html>> >> I found some interesting tables for people who work with sound or>> light in any way.>> >> >> >> __________________________________________________________>> Not happy with your email address?.>> Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses>> available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html>> -------------- next part -------------->> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...>> URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080628/9fda5400/attachment-0001.htm>> >> ------------------------------>> >> Message: 5>> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 09:12:29 -0400>> From: "Randy Faulconer" >> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to >> come>> off methadone?>> To: "The Ibogaine List" >> Message-ID:>> <29d165a30806280612u399dda1h4fc9ad7676521156 at mail.gmail.com>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1">> >> I'm gonna guess here Si and say that I think thatwhat>> Jeremy>> wants is specific amounts of each for a hypothetical methadone>> treatment>> where the person is on 80 mgs of methadone. Maybe to see how much it>> would>> cost for each. Like I say, I'm guessing here. I'll try andfigure it>> out for>> you J, but give me a little while and please remember this is just>> hypothetical OK?>> >> I'll probably be drummed outta the "Corps forthis He He>> >> Peace Love and Finance>> Randy>> >> >> On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 5:51 AM, simon loxton>> >> wrote:>> >>> The root contains little ibogaine at all and is used mainly as a>>> laxative>>> among other things. The root bark if prepared and maturedcorrectly>>> can have>>> up to 6% ibogaine at the most. The batch I tested had 5% but most>>> are around>>> 2% if bought commercially. The extract is not really available >>> except>>> through Sarah as far as I know.>>> With the whole root you would be wasting your time as far as detox>>> from>>> Methadone.>>> I hope this helps and is what you are asking for.>>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ---->>> From: Jeremy Spence >>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com>>> Sent: Saturday, 28 June, 2008 11:39:49 AM>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to>>> come off>>> methadone?>>> >>> Yes, I ask this, but no body ever answer me??? I mean roughly??>>> On 80mg>>> of methadone??>>> >>> And can anybody out there tell me, what's the differencebetween the>>> extract and whole root iboga, and root bark, how how of>>> difference?? How>>> big?? Like what would a 100 grams of whole roots iboga compared>>> too????>>> Roughly??? Keep in mind, I know there is some variation in>>> Ibogaine content being it's a natural compound. I just want toknow,>>> roughly??>>> >>> How many grams would I need in say, each?? Like how many grams>>> would I>>> need in whole iboga compared how many grams I would need in Iboga>>> root>>> bark?????>>> >>> >>> Can anybody out there help with this question? I ask before, but>>> never got>>> a good answer. Keep in mind this all hypothetical.>>> On Jun 28, 2008, at 3:33 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote:>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------>>> Not happy with your email address?>>> Get the one you really want >> new.html> ->>> millions of new email addresses available now atYahoo!>>> >>> >>> >>> -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=->>> (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][)>>> -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=->>> >>> >> -------------- next part -------------->> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...>> URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080628/451e1c44/attachment-0001.htm>> >> ------------------------------>> >> Message: 6>> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 14:20:12 +0100>> From: Jan Ludewig >> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Planetary Harmonics and Neurobiological>> sesonances>> To: The Ibogaine List >> Cc: cousto at eve-rave.net>> Message-ID: <48663A8C.30905 at drug-policy.eu>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed>> >> simon loxton wrote:>>> http://www.lunarplanner.com/Harmonics/planetary-harmonics.html>>> >>> I found some interesting tables for people who work with sound or>>> light in any way.>> Hans Cousto (Eve & Rave) did some research on that:>> http://www.planetware.de/octave/>> I assume/am sure he is open to questions: *cousto at eve-rave.net>> >> jl>> *>> >> >> ------------------------------>> >> Message: 7>> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 13:26:58 +0000 (GMT)>> From: simon loxton >> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to >> come>> off methadone?>> To: The Ibogaine List >> Message-ID: <481818.49802.qm at web28607.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8">> >> Oh! I get you man; well thats an entirely different story because>> there is no set law. There are many different protocols and dosages>> which is difficult for me to put on an open forum because people who>> are desperate can think of trying short cuts; as seems to possibly>> be the case here. I guess all that has to be stressed besides the>> different options is that this is a matter best discusses with your>> potential provider. Start with a provider and then discuss what the>> best way forward would be for some one in "your" position.>> >> Sorry about that. Thanks Randy!>> >> >> ----- Original Message ---->> From: Randy Faulconer >> To: The Ibogaine List >> Sent: Saturday, 28 June, 2008 3:12:29 PM>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to>> come off methadone?>> >> >> I'm gonna guess here Si and say that I think thatwhat>> Jeremy wants is specific amounts of each for a hypothetical>> methadone treatment where the person is on 80 mgs of methadone.>> Maybe to see how much it would cost for each. Like I say, I'm>> guessing here. I'll try and figure it out for you J, but give me a>> little while and please remember this is just hypothetical OK?>> >> I'll probably be drummed outta the "Corps forthis He He>> >> Peace Love and Finance>> Randy>> >> >> >> On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 5:51 AM, simon loxton>> wrote:>> >> The root contains little ibogaine at all and is used mainly as a>> laxative among other things. The root bark if prepared and matured>> correctly can have up to 6% ibogaine at the most. The batch I tested>> had 5% but most are around 2% if bought commercially. The extract is>> not really available except through Sarah as far as I know.>> With the whole root you would be wasting your time as far as detox>> from Methadone.>> I hope this helps and is what you are asking for.>> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---->> From: Jeremy Spence >> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com>> Sent: Saturday, 28 June, 2008 11:39:49 AM>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to>> come off methadone?>> >> Yes, I ask this, but no body ever answer me??? I mean roughly?? On>> 80mg of methadone??>> >> >> And can anybody out there tell me, what's the difference betweenthe>> extract and whole root iboga, and root bark, how how of difference??>> How big?? Like what would a 100 grams of whole roots iboga compared>> too???? Roughly??? Keep in mind, I know there is some variation in>> Ibogaine content being it's a natural compound. I just want toknow,>> roughly??>> >> How many grams would I need in say, each?? Like how many grams>> would I need in whole iboga compared how many grams I would need in>> Iboga root bark?????>> >> >> Can anybody out there help with this question? I ask before, but>> never got a good answer. Keep in mind this all hypothetical.>> On Jun 28, 2008, at 3:33 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote:>> >> >> >> ________________________________>> Not happy with your email address?>> Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses>> available now at Yahoo!>> >> -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=->> (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][)>> -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=->> >> >> __________________________________________________________>> Not happy with your email address?.>> Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses>> available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html>> -------------- next part -------------->> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...>> URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080628/af972739/attachment-0001.htm>> >> ------------------------------>> >> Message: 8>> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 10:24:51 -0400>> From: "DIANA MUIR" >> Subject: [Ibogaine] remove>> To: "The Ibogaine List" >> Message-ID: <001a01c8d92a$ba6e3e20$4101a8c0 at Pyro>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1">> >> >> ----- Original Message ----->> From: Jeremy Spence>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com>> Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 5:39 AM>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to>> come offmethadone?>> >> >> Yes, I ask this, but no body ever answer me??? I mean roughly??>> On 80mg of methadone??>> >> >> >> >> And can anybody out there tell me, what's the difference between>> the extract and whole root iboga, and root bark, how how of>> difference?? How big?? Like what would a 100 grams of whole roots>> iboga compared too???? Roughly??? Keep in mind, I know there is>> some variation in Ibogaine content being it's a natural compound.I>> just want to know, roughly??>> >> >> How many grams would I need in say, each?? Like how many grams>> would I need in whole iboga compared how many grams I would need in>> Iboga root bark?????>> >> >> >> >> Can anybody out there help with this question? I ask before, but>> never got a good answer. Keep in mind this all hypothetical.>> On Jun 28, 2008, at 3:33 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote:>> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------>> >> >> >> -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=->> (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][)>> -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=->> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------>> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message.>> Checked by AVG.>> Version: 8.0.101 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1522 - Release Date:>> 6/27/2008 8:27 AM>> -------------- next part -------------->> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...>> URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080628/881caa42/attachment-0001.htm>> >> ------------------------------>> >> Message: 9>> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 10:28:59 -0400>> From: "Randy Faulconer" >> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to >> come>> off methadone?>> To: "The Ibogaine List" >> Message-ID:>> <29d165a30806280728j6c7b4549ld4dd70fc6844cd54 at mail.gmail.com>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1">> >> Absolutely Si!! Agree with Simon here too. Doing Ibogaine by>> yourself is very, very, dangerous. There needs to be somebody with>> EXPERIENCE around when a treatment is going on. Lots of weird kind>> of shit>> can occur, and an experienced guide will be able to handle that>> without>> freaking out. Trust me on this yall.>> >> I feel kind of weird about giving out the instuctions on how>> to dose>> it like that my man. This is on second thought you understand,>> COOL?? I>> asked the same questions when I was first looking into Ibo.>> >> Get a provider dude, OK? I don't want anything bad tohappen>> during a treatment for a lot of reasons.>> >> Peace Love and Safety>> Randy>> >> On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 9:26 AM, simon loxton>> >> wrote:>> >>> Oh! I get you man; well thats an entirely different story because>>> there>>> is no set law. There are many different protocols and dosageswhich>>> is>>> difficult for me to put on an open forum because people who are>>> desperate>>> can think of trying short cuts; as seems to possibly be the case>>> here. I>>> guess all that has to be stressed besides the different options is>>> that this>>> is a matter best discusses with your potential provider. Start >>> with a>>> provider and then discuss what the best way forward would be for>>> some one in>>> "your" position.>>> >>> Sorry about that. Thanks Randy!>>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ---->>> From: Randy Faulconer >>> To: The Ibogaine List >>> Sent: Saturday, 28 June, 2008 3:12:29 PM>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to>>> come off>>> methadone?>>> >>> I'm gonna guess here Si and say that I think thatwhat>>> Jeremy wants is specific amounts of each for a hypothetical >>> methadone>>> treatment where the person is on 80 mgs of methadone. Maybe to see>>> how much>>> it would cost for each. Like I say, I'm guessing here.I'll try and>>> figure>>> it out for you J, but give me a little while and please remember>>> this is>>> just hypothetical OK?>>> >>> I'll probably be drummed outta the "Corpsfor this He>>> He>>> >>> Peace Love and Finance>>> Randy>>> >>> >>> On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 5:51 AM, simon loxton>>> >>> wrote:>>> >>>> The root contains little ibogaine at all and is used mainly asa>>>> laxative among other things. The root bark if prepared andmatured>>>> correctly>>>> can have up to 6% ibogaine at the most. The batch I tested had5%>>>> but most>>>> are around 2% if bought commercially. The extract is notreally>>>> available>>>> except through Sarah as far as I know.>>>> With the whole root you would be wasting your time as far asdetox>>>> from>>>> Methadone.>>>> I hope this helps and is what you are asking for.>>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ---->>>> From: Jeremy Spence >>>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com>>>> Sent: Saturday, 28 June, 2008 11:39:49 AM>>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Ibogato>>>> come off>>>> methadone?>>>> >>>> Yes, I ask this, but no body ever answer me??? I meanroughly??>>>> On 80mg>>>> of methadone??>>>> >>>> And can anybody out there tell me, what's the differencebetween >>>> the>>>> extract and whole root iboga, and root bark, how how of>>>> difference?? How>>>> big?? Like what would a 100 grams of whole roots ibogacompared>>>> too????>>>> Roughly??? Keep in mind, I know there is some variation in>>>> Ibogaine content being it's a natural compound. I justwant to >>>> know,>>>> roughly??>>>> >>>> How many grams would I need in say, each?? Like how manygrams>>>> would I>>>> need in whole iboga compared how many grams I would need inIboga>>>> root>>>> bark?????>>>> >>>> >>>> Can anybody out there help with this question? I ask before,but>>>> never got>>>> a good answer. Keep in mind this all hypothetical.>>>> On Jun 28, 2008, at 3:33 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.comwrote:>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------>>>> Not happy with your email address?>>>> Get the one you really want>>> new.html> ->>>> millions of new email addresses available now atYahoo!>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=->>>> (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][)>>>> -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=->>>> >>>> >>> >>> ------------------------------>>> Not happy with your email address?>>> Get the one you really want >> new.html> ->>> millions of new email addresses available now atYahoo!>>> >>> >>> >>> -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=->>> (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][)>>> -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=->>> >>> >> -------------- next part -------------->> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...>> URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080628/5516d326/attachment.htm>> >> ------------------------------>> >> >> -=[) :::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=->> (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][)>> -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe ::::: (]=->> >> >> End of Ibogaine Digest, Vol 10, Issue 313>> *****************************************> > > > ------------------------------> > > -=[) :::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=-> (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][)> -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe ::::: (]=-> > > End of Ibogaine Digest, Vol 10, Issue 314> ***************************************** -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=-(][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If you get this via the list its on again, Simon ----- Original Message ---- From: Warren Theriot To: The Ibogaine List Sent: Thursday, 3 July, 2008 6:08:19 AM Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Re: hello list? Anyone notice a dropoff of list messages in the last 2 days? Warren -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk Sat Jul 5 17:48:02 2008 From: simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk (simon loxton) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 21:48:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Ibogaine] Mabundi Message-ID: <62894.86483.qm@web28608.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOLkELbi7yM This is a link for "Mabundi" womans Bwiti. __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080705/1fb5acf6/attachment.htm From jlspence at mac.com Sat Jul 5 17:47:59 2008 From: jlspence at mac.com (Jeremy Spence) Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 16:47:59 -0500 Subject: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Digest, Vol 11, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E796D29-ADA4-416A-A569-6BA54DC65381@mac.com> Thank to simon, for trying to help me! I'll get at you when I need to ok? I would like, when I am ready to go through my options when the time is right. Ok, I understand the priceyesss,It just sucks for people who live on fixed incomes, and barely can afford to eat and keep a roof over their heads. That's all i am saying. I never wanted it to bel ike this, I never wanted to be on opiates, it not like I wanted it for some new high!! Because of pain reasons, I had little choice but to get on them!! There are many people out there that just don't understand that in this world. On Jul 5, 2008, at 4:13 PM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote: > Send Ibogaine mailing list submissions to > ibogaine at mindvox.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > ibogaine-request at mindvox.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > ibogaine-owner at mindvox.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Ibogaine digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: stop the fightinf and do somethin productive (Krista Vaughan) > 2. Re: Ibogaine Re: hello list? (Warren Theriot) > 3. ibogaine - tripping the habit (Nick Sandberg) > 4. what happened (Janna Pijoan) > 5. Re: gettng 0ff ths -nfghtng counter-prductve list (DC in AZ) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:48:42 -0400 > From: "Krista Vaughan" > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] stop the fightinf and do somethin productive > To: "The Ibogaine List" > Message-ID: > <848277f90806301848y4e712f36m774a497472b2a252 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi, first off this list has directly helped hundreds of people get > their lives back and clean up. It's also helped those same people with > having a place to get group support. It does have a lot of noise > sometimes, but then it has a huge amount of people, a lot of them > having started posting lately. The contributions I've seen so far from > you Ryan, are nothing. > > Secondly, so Gabon which is a very poor region, has made the cost of > ibogaine increase by adding whatever fees and taxes on top, before any > of the ibogaine makes it to a lab to get processed. Is that so wrong? > A very poor nation, wanting to make money from one of its national > treasures being sucked down by a world filled with people who have > enough money to smoke crack or shoot heroin? where the region it comes > from has a hard enough time just putting food on the table. > > As for the dollar going down the drain and the Euro rising, well we > can all thank Bush for that, after all its sooooo important to go > invade other countries and make more money for oil companies. In case > you haven't noticed or don't read, America is heading for a huge > recession, there are hundreds of thousands of people newly homeless > who can't afford all those mortgages Bush made available so all those > houses sit empty while people are in the street, the price of gas may > have no or little effect on people in big cities, but it's destroying > middle America where people who have to drive to work are choosing > between going to work or buying food. > > You have a very skewed view of the world. I'd suggest reading a > newspaper once in a while, instead of watching fox news if you are > unable to imagine a world that doesn't center on being over privledged > as your birthright and having enough money to sit in college > collecting degrees. > > KV > > 2008/6/30 ryan beck : >> >> I thought this list was abut the dissemination of ibo and it's >> value as tool >> to help people addicted to drugs , but it has turned into a piss >> fest of >> egos there are a few that have valuable information regarding ibo. >> Namely >> Simon(who have the utmost respect for his knowledge and >> compassion). If all >> providers were as compassionate as Simon and Sara. Ibo would become >> more >> mainstream, Howard and Sara and a handful of others. This s not >> about us it >> is abut something bigger. Ibo has the potential to save 100,000 of >> thousands >> lives; and all I see is infighting This is bigger than all of our >> petty >> egos, Why can't we manufacture it n lab in (?)Gabon, I have a M.S in >> chemistry (and several. PhD in organic chemistry who would be more >> that >> happy to join said project), all we need would be to start a lab >> with the >> appropriate funds( the formula is very straight forward and it is >> rather >> simple) One could produce 100,000s doses a year. It should not cost >> more >> than $20 a dose. What is holding the movement back? Infighting! >> Personal >> vested interest? >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 21:08:19 -0700 > From: Warren Theriot > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Re: hello list? > To: The Ibogaine List > Message-ID: <3E6C19FF-7667-4F56-8D6E-884CDA7D4B22 at ca.rr.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > Anyone notice a dropoff of list messages in the last 2 days? > Warren > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 14:44:24 +0100 > From: "Nick Sandberg" > Subject: [Ibogaine] ibogaine - tripping the habit > To: "'The Ibogaine List'" > Message-ID: <003501c8dd12$e91c3970$0b01a8c0 at amira> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Ed Owles' short film, Tripping the Habit, for Current TV is now > online at > http://current.com/items/89052170_tripping_the_habit It's got me + a > few > other brits in it. > > Nick > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 21:19:46 -0600 > From: "Janna Pijoan" > Subject: [Ibogaine] what happened > To: > Message-ID: <001d01c8dd84$d127d7d0$0201a8c0 at LAPTOP> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi, > > I had been on the Ibogaine email list for about 4 months and then, > all of a sudden, I stopped receiving anything about 3-4 days agao. > What happened? My email is janna at tcmclinic.org > > Thank you, > Janna Pijoan > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080703/a613f054/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 07:42:38 -0700 > From: "DC in AZ" > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] gettng 0ff ths -nfghtng counter-prductve list > To: "The Ibogaine List" > Message-ID: > <45BA4DFC2FED49BB9DA222880D1E568A at agi.alexandergroupinc.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-7" > > "My chosen shall not labor in vain." > Isaiah 65:23 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Donzo > "Love converts hearts, and gives peace." > __________________________________________________ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Nick Sandberg > To: 'The Ibogaine List' > Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 8:56 AM > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] gettng 0ff ths -nfghtng counter-prductve list > > > A guy who's name I've now forgotten had a way to make ibopyrines > (if I remember the name right) years back. It was going to be very > cheap. If you know about chemistry maybe you could check this out. I > think ibogaine itself is quite pricey to synthesise or extract, > that's what I've heard anyway. > > > > Nick > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com [mailto:ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com > ] On Behalf Of ryan beck > Sent: 30 June 2008 14:16 > To: The Ibogaine List > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] gettng 0ff ths -nfghtng counter-prductve list > > > > I thought this list was abut the dissemination of ibo and > it's value as tool to help people addicted to drugs , but it has > turned into a piss fest of egos there are a few that have valuable > information regarding ibo. Namely Simon(who have the utmost respect > for his knowledge and compassion). If all providers were as > compassionate as Simon and Sara. Ibo would become more mainstream, > Howard and Sara and a handful of others. This s not about us it is > abut something bigger. Ibo has the potential to save 100,000 of > thousands lives; and all I see is infighting This is bigger than all > of our petty egos, Why can?t we manufacture it n lab in (?)Gabon, I > have a M.S in chemistry (and several. PhD in organic chemistry who > would be more that happy to join said project), all we need would be > to start a lab with the appropriate funds( the formula is very > straight forward and it is rather simple) One could produce 100,000s > doses a year. It should not cost more than $20 a dose. What i > s holding the movement back? Infighting! Personal vested interest? > > > > --- On Sat, 6/28/08, Jeremy Spence wrote: > > From: Jeremy Spence > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] grams of iboga coming off methadone > To: ibogaine at mindvox.com > Date: Saturday, June 28, 2008, 6:28 PM > > Look i just wanted to know, roughly how many grams you would need, > of root bark?? Like 25grams?? or 50 grams?? I heard somebody on > the net talk about if you got 100 grams of whole root iboga(which > not that strong) and it had 1% Ibogaine in it, that would be 1 gram > of ibogaine, and if it has 2%, that would be 2 grams of ibogaine > total of course. Is that true?? I just wondered, Its not like I > going to order some today or even next month, I just wonder that > all. JS On Jun 28, 2008, at 7:11 PM, ibogaine- > request at mindvox.com wrote: > Send Ibogaine mailing list submissions > to> ibogaine at mindvox.com> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via > the World Wide Web, visit> http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' > to> ibogaine-request at mindvox.com> > You can reach the person > managing the list at> ibogaine-owner at mindvox.com> > When > replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific> than > "Re: Contents of Ibogaine digest..."> > > Today's Topics:> > 1. > Re: how many grams would you need of Iboga to come off> > methadone? (simon loxton)> 2. Re: DEA (DC in AZ)> 3. Re: remove > (Randy Faulconer)> 4. Jeremy's answer from me (Randy Faulconer)> > 5. Sophie (Randy Faulconer)> 6. Re: Ibogaine Digest, Vol 10, Issue > 313 (Jeremy Spence)> > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > > Message: 1> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 14:46:54 +0000 (GMT)> From: > simon loxton > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how > many grams would you need of Iboga to come> off methadone? > > To: The Ibogaine List > Message-ID: <703336.90303.qm at web28613.mail.ukl.yahoo.com > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"> > Just a basic example > to mention is that your heart rate can drop > which is normal to a > degree; but a doctor with no working knowledge > of ibogaine will > take action which would be inappropriate in this >> situation.> Speaking of which; the heart rate and blood pressure >> need to be > monitored throughout the experience which would be >> difficult on ones > own.> > > ----- Original Message ----> From: >> Randy Faulconer > To: The Ibogaine List > >> Sent: Saturday, 28 June, 2008 4:28:59 PM> Subject: Re: >> [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to > come off >> methadone?> > > Absolutely Si!! Agree with Simon here too. >> Doing Ibogaine > by yourself is very, very, dangerous. There needs >> to be somebody > with EXPERIENCE around when a treatment is going >> on. Lots of weird > kind of shit can occur, and an experienced >> guide will be able to > handle that without freaking out. Trust me >> on this yall.> > I feel kind of weird about giving out the >> instuctions on how > to dose it like that my man. This is on >> second thought you > understand, COOL?? I asked the same questions >> when I was first > looking into Ibo.> > Ge > t a provider dude, OK? I don't want anything bad to > happen during > a treatment for a lot of reasons.> > Peace Love and > Safety> Randy> > > On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 9:26 AM, > simon loxton > wrote:> > Oh! I get you > man; well thats an entirely different story because > there is no > set law. There are many different protocols and dosages > which is > difficult for me to put on an open forum because people who > are > desperate can think of trying short cuts; as seems to possibly > be > the case here. I guess all that has to be stressed besides the > > different options is that this is a matter best discusses with your > > potential provider. Start with a provider and then discuss what > the > best way forward would be for some one in "your" position.> > > Sorry about that. Thanks Randy!> > > > ----- Original Message ----> > From: Randy Faulconer > To: The Ibogaine > List > Sent: Saturday, 28 June > , 2008 3:12:29 PM> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you > need of Iboga to > come off methadone?> > > I'm gonna > guess here Si and say that I think that what > Jeremy wants is > specific amounts of each for a hypothetical > methadone treatment > where the person is on 80 mgs of methadone. > Maybe to see how much > it would cost for each. Like I say, I'm > guessing here. I'll try > and figure it out for you J, but give me a > little while and > please remember this is just hypothetical OK?> > I'll > probably be drummed outta the "Corps for thisHe He> > > Peace Love and Finance> Randy> > > > On Sat, Jun > 28, 2008 at 5:51 AM, simon loxton > > wrote:> > The root contains little ibogaine at all and is used > mainly as a > laxative among other things. The root bark if > prepared and matured > correctly can have up to 6% ibogaine at the > most. The batch I tested > had 5% but most are around 2% if b > ought commercially. The extract is > not really available except > through Sarah as far as I know.> With the whole root you would be > wasting your time as far as detox > from Methadone.> I hope this > helps and is what you are asking for.> > > > ----- Original Message > ----> From: Jeremy Spence > To: > ibogaine at mindvox.com> Sent: Saturday, 28 June, 2008 11:39:49 AM> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to > > come off methadone?> > Yes, I ask this, but no body ever answer > me??? I mean roughly?? On > 80mg of methadone??> > > And can > anybody out there tell me, what's the difference between the > > extract and whole root iboga, and root bark, how how of > difference?? > How big?? Like what would a 100 grams of whole > roots iboga compared > too???? Roughly??? Keep in mind, I know > there is some variation in > Ibogaine content being it's a natural > compound. I just want to know, > roughly??> > How many grams would > I need in say, each?? Lik > e how many grams > would I need in whole iboga compared how many > grams I would need in > Iboga root bark?????> > > Can anybody out > there help with this question? I ask before, but > never got a good > answer. Keep in mind this all hypothetical.> On Jun 28, 2008, at > 3:33 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote:> > > > > ________________________________> Not happy with your email address? > > Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses > > available now at Yahoo!> > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List > Commands ::::::: (]=-> (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine > :: [%][)> -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: > (]=-> > > > > ________________________________> Not happy with your > email address?> Get the one you really want - millions of new email > addresses > available now at Yahoo!> > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | > Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=-> (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine > :: [%][)> -=[) :::: Change Ac > count Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=-> > > > __________________________________________________________> Not > happy with your email address?.> Get the one you really want - > millions of new email addresses > available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html > > -------------- next part --------------> An HTML attachment was > scrubbed...> URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080628/de4ef7c0/attachment-0001.htm > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 2> Date: Sat, 28 Jun > 2008 08:14:26 -0700> From: "DC in AZ" > Subject: > Re: [Ibogaine] DEA> To: "The Ibogaine List" > > Message-ID:> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > exactly, which > is why common practice in this county (cochise, az) > is that yur > released and charges are dropped> until the state lab tests come > back, which talkes too long, which is > why the charges > are almost always dropped.> but they are refiled later depending on > lab results a couple few > weeks later. by then the person is long > gone out of state, and they > wont> press out of state extradition > (for possession anyway), since all > drugs except meth are decrim'd > by the az voters here twice.> sick of all of it though, stop the > destruction due to drug laws.> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------> > Donzo> "Love converts hearts, and gives peace."> > __________________________________________________> > ----- > Original Message -----> From: Eye of the Bhogi> To: The Ibogaine > List> Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 9:14 PM> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] > DEA> > > Reminds me of a line from the String Cheese Incident > song,"Texas:"> > You can't bust me / if you don't know what ya've > found!> > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------> > > > > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]= > -> (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%] > [)> -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=-> > -------------- next part --------------> An HTML attachment was > scrubbed...> URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080628/ec4e408c/attachment-0001.htm > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 3> Date: Sat, 28 Jun > 2008 12:07:11 -0400> From: "Randy Faulconer" > > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] remove> To: "The > Ibogaine List" > Message-ID:> <29d165a30806280907w77edbd7eh9b91efa43c9918b6 at mail.gmail.com > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > OK > dude, here's my very twisted opinion. The science of> treating > people for addiction with Ibogasine isn't an exact thing > even in > a> clinical setting. No two people react the same. When providers > treat > people> here in the US (this may change with Bwiti > learnings) they most of > the time> use Ibogaine HCL, whic > h means hydrochloride. It is as pure as it > gets for> the one > alcoloid of Ibogaine. 96 to 98 per cent pure Ibogaine. They > do > it> body weight. I think you know this so I'll try and make it > short. > Anywhere> from 12 mgs per kg to 24 mgs for the flood dose. > Most people don't > go over> 24 mgs per kg in a 24 hour period. The > point is, even with the pure > Ibo you> have to be there and see > the look on the patients face to know if he > has> enough, and then > look for withdrawals later. It takes a provider to > know> this and > everything else is just guessing. PERIOD. Then different > drugs > are> different treatments. Root bark and extracts are harder to > measure > for a> dosage. That's why Sara is such a good provider > with the extact. She > knows> what she is doing and knows what to > look for. There is no cut and > dry dose> especially with methadone > with root bark. I know you don't want to > hear this> but that's > the way it is. Shoot me if I'm wrong. And remember that >> is my> opinon and I'm twisted OK??> > Peace Love and >> Knowledge> Randy> BiscuitBoy Blues> > On >> Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 10:24 AM, DIANA MUIR > >> wrote:> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----->> *From:* Jeremy >> Spence >> *To:* ibogaine at mindvox.com>> *Sent:* >> Saturday, June 28, 2008 5:39 AM>> *Subject:* Re: [Ibogaine] how >> many grams would you need of Iboga to >> come>> offmethadone?>> >> >> Yes, I ask this, but no body ever answer me??? I mean roughly?? >> >> On 80mg>> of methadone??>> >> And can anybody out there tell me, >> what's the difference betweenthe>> extract and whole root iboga, >> and root bark, how how of >> difference?? How>> big?? Like what >> would a 100 grams of whole roots iboga compared >> too????>> >> Roughly??? Keep in mind, I know there is some variation in>> >> Ibogaine content being it's a natural compound. I just want >> toknow,>> roughly??>> >> How many grams would I need in say, >> each?? Like ho > w many grams >> would I>> need in whole iboga compared how many > grams I would need in Iboga >> root>> bark?????>> >> >> Can anybody > out there help with this question? I ask before, but >> never got>> > a good answer. Keep in mind this all hypothetical.>> On Jun 28, > 2008, at 3:33 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote:>> >> >> > ------------------------------>> >> >> -=[) ::::::: MindVox | > Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=->> (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine > :: [%][)>> -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: > [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=->> >> ------------------------------>> >> >> > No virus found in this incoming message.>> Checked by AVG.>> > Version: 8.0.101 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1522 - Release Date: >> > 6/27/2008>> 8:27 AM>> >> >> >> -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | > List Commands ::::::: (]=->> (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine > :: [%][)>> -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: > (]=->> >> > -------------- next part > --------------> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...> URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080628/eb90c56c/attachment-0001.htm > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 4> Date: Sat, 28 Jun > 2008 13:21:49 -0400> From: "Randy Faulconer" > > Subject: [Ibogaine] Jeremy's answer from > me> To: "The Ibogaine List" > Message- > ID:> > <29d165a30806281021u661d1535o269bda5e21d1644 at mail.gmail.com>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > I put an answer to > your question on the message that was asking to be> removed. I can't > remember the name but it's probably the onlyEmail > asking> to get > off of the list right now. I somehow deleted what is on my > mail, > so I> can't see what I said, but it's there.> > Peace> > > > Randy> -------------- next part --------------> An HTML attachment > was scrubbed...> URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080628/357a0500/attachment-0001.htm > > > ----- > -------------------------> > Message: 5> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 > 13:34:48 -0400> From: "Randy Faulconer" > > Subject: [Ibogaine] Sophie> To: "The Ibogaine List" >> Message-ID:> <29d165a30806281034j73730c7cucf9b5ca2afcba2e3 at mail.gmail.com > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > You asked me > when, and how much Ibo I did I think, so I'm > starting this> new > thread to asnwer your question.> > I did my first BIG treatment > in the fall of 04, the last of > September.> I was on 80 mgs of > methadone. It was rough, and the treatment itself > lasted> about 3 > days. Being that it was a methadone treatment, I did a bunch > of> > Ibogaine. Total was 34 mgs per kg, but that was spread out over 2> > days. After that I did a couple of boosters and a 6 mg tune up the > > next> year. I've had my ups and downs, mostly with alcohol, but I > stay in > the> fight, and never give up. Ask away with questions > when you want to, > and> lea > rn all you can. Have you done Ibogaine?> > Peace Love > and Freedom> Randy> Biscuitboy > Blues> -------------- next part --------------> An HTML attachment > was scrubbed...> URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080628/62d1dd8b/attachment-0001.htm > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 6> Date: Sat, 28 Jun > 2008 19:11:25 -0500> From: Jeremy Spence > > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Digest, Vol 10, Issue 313> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com > > Message-ID: <295DBBD2-22DF-4D31-96AB-489B3EAA9A28 at mac.com>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; > delsp=yes> > Look you all, I not a child, I can take care of my > self! I just ask,> that all, its not like I am going to go right out > and down a bunch of> the shit without doing a test dose at least!! I > am not that stupid!!!> > I don't have the money for a to go to some > one, its not going to> happen for me that way, Its not possible for > me tha > t way guys!!!!!> I been on disabitly for nearly 6-7 years and can't > work right now, I> just asking it I ever got better, that all!!!> > > Look guys, i do it my self anyways, I just wanted help that all, > but> since no body will help me here, i guess I just have to try it > myself,> trail and error just like i always do!!! How much would a > test dose> be??? I am in good health other wise, no heart problems, > liver> problem, or major organ problems, I just have IC that all! I > not even> going to do it un less I get completely better anyways!> > > Look if you want to protect people, you need to tell people this> > info!! So if they did get some that might know what they are > doing!!!!> I have done many types of drugs before, and I know, yes > iboga is> different, ok, I know, but would you want people to have > the info so> that they might know what to do!! instead of not > knowing shit, and> then dong the trail and error thing????> > This > board is worthless then if you will not share info> > > > On Jun 28, 2008, at 9:29 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote:> > >> Send Ibogaine mailing list submissions to>> ibogaine at mindvox.com > >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, > visit>> http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine>> or, > via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to>> ibogaine-request at mindvox.com > >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at>> ibogaine-owner at mindvox.com > >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more > specific>> than "Re: Contents of Ibogaine digest...">> >> >> Today's > Topics:>> >> 1. Re: how many grams would you need of Iboga to come > off>> methadone? (Jeremy Spence)>> 2. Re: Leo Finegold?Dana get > a life (Adam Nodelman)>> 3. Re: how many grams would you need of > Iboga to come off>> methadone? (simon loxton)>> 4. Planetary > Harmonics and Neurobiological sesonances (simon loxton)>> 5. Re: > how many grams would you need of Iboga to come off>> methadone? > (Randy Fau > lconer)>> 6. Re: Planetary Harmonics and Neurobiological > sesonances>> (Jan Ludewig)>> 7. Re: how many grams would you > need of Iboga to come off>> methadone? (simon loxton)>> 8. > remove (DIANA MUIR)>> 9. Re: how many grams would you need of Iboga > to come off>> methadone? (Randy Faulconer)>> >> >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > > >> Message: 1>> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 04:39:49 -0500>> From: > Jeremy Spence >> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many > grams would you need of Iboga to >> come>> off methadone? > >> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com>> Message-ID: >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii">> >> Yes, I ask > this, but no body ever answer me??? I mean roughly?? On>> 80mg of > methadone??>> >> >> And can anybody out there tell me, what's the > difference betweenthe>> extract and whole root iboga, and root bark, > how how of difference??>> How big?? Like what would > a 100 grams of whole roots iboga compared>> too???? Roughly??? > Keep in mind, I know there is some variation in>> Ibogaine content > being it's a natural compound. I just want toknow,>> roughly??>> >> > How many grams would I need in say, each?? Like how many grams > would>> I need in whole iboga compared how many grams I would need > in Iboga>> root bark?????>> >> >> Can anybody out there help with > this question? I ask before, but >> never>> got a good answer. > Keep in mind this all hypothetical.>> On Jun 28, 2008, at 3:33 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com > wrote:>> >>> >> -------------- next part -------------->> An HTML > attachment was scrubbed...>> URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080628/af1a041e/attachment-0001.htm > >> >> ------------------------------>> >> Message: 2>> Date: Sat, 28 > Jun 2008 02:42:00 -0700 (PDT)>> From: Adam Nodelman >>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold?Dana get a life>> To: The > Ibogaine List indvox.com>>> Message-ID: > <948719.82485.qm at web37405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>>> Content-Type: text/ > plain; charset="us-ascii">> >> That might be the whole point:The > plant helps the people towards>> self discovery, the addict treats > himself in the end.No one that I>> know ever claimed to be a guru. > Looking for one Nick? As for>> underlining issues, well...I'm sure > we all strive to reach your>> perfectly balanced higher plane but > alas, were just not all there.>> Adam>> >> >> >> >> -------------- > next part -------------->> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...>> URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080628/0160ed79/attachment-0001.htm > >> >> ------------------------------>> >> Message: 3>> Date: Sat, 28 > Jun 2008 09:51:04 +0000 (GMT)>> From: simon loxton >>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga > to >> come>> off methadone?>> To: The Ibogaine List >>> Message-ID: <976636.56653.qm at web28610. > mail.ukl.yahoo.com>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8">> >> > The root contains little ibogaine at all and is used mainly as a>> > laxative among other things. The root bark if prepared and matured>> > correctly can have up to 6% ibogaine at the most. The batch I > tested>> had 5% but most are around 2% if bought commercially. The > extract is>> not really available except through Sarah as far as I > know.>> With the whole root you would be wasting your time as far as > detox>> from Methadone.>> I hope this helps and is what you are > asking for.>> >> >> ----- Original Message ---->> From: Jeremy > Spence >> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com>> Sent: > Saturday, 28 June, 2008 11:39:49 AM>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how > many grams would you need of Iboga to>> come off methadone?>> >> > Yes, I ask this, but no body ever answer me??? I mean roughly?? > On>> 80mg of methadone??>> >> >> And can anybody out there tell me, > what's the difference betweenthe>> extract and whole root iboga, a > nd root bark, how how of difference??>> How big?? Like what would a > 100 grams of whole roots iboga compared>> too???? Roughly??? Keep > in mind, I know there is some variation in>> Ibogaine content being > it's a natural compound. I just want toknow,>> roughly??>> >> How > many grams would I need in say, each?? Like how many grams>> would > I need in whole iboga compared how many grams I would need in>> > Iboga root bark?????>> >> >> Can anybody out there help with this > question? I ask before, but>> never got a good answer. Keep in mind > this all hypothetical.>> On Jun 28, 2008, at 3:33 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com > wrote:>> >> >> > __________________________________________________________>> Not > happy with your email address?.>> Get the one you really want - > millions of new email addresses>> available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html > >> -------------- next part -------------->> An HTML attachment was > scrubbed...>> URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/iboga > ine/attachments/20080628/1c9d00e4/attachment-0001.htm>> >> > ------------------------------>> >> Message: 4>> Date: Sat, 28 Jun > 2008 13:06:12 +0000 (GMT)>> From: simon loxton >>> Subject: [Ibogaine] Planetary Harmonics and Neurobiological >> > sesonances>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com>> Message-ID: <593912.29605.qm at web28606.mail.ukl.yahoo.com > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8">> >> http://www.lunarplanner.com/Harmonics/planetary-harmonics.html > >> >> I found some interesting tables for people who work with sound > or>> light in any way.>> >> >> >> > __________________________________________________________>> Not > happy with your email address?.>> Get the one you really want - > millions of new email addresses>> available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html > >> -------------- next part -------------->> An HTML attachment was > scrubbed...>> URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080628/9fda5400/attachment-0001.htm > >> >> > ------------------------------>> >> Message: 5>> Date: Sat, 28 Jun > 2008 09:12:29 -0400>> From: "Randy Faulconer" > >> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams > would you need of Iboga to >> come>> off methadone?>> To: > "The Ibogaine List" >> Message-ID:>> <29d165a30806280612u399dda1h4fc9ad7676521156 at mail.gmail.com > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1">> >> > I'm gonna guess here Si and say that I think thatwhat>> Jeremy>> > wants is specific amounts of each for a hypothetical methadone>> > treatment>> where the person is on 80 mgs of methadone. Maybe to see > how much it>> would>> cost for each. Like I say, I'm guessing here. > I'll try andfigure it>> out for>> you J, but give me a little while > and please remember this is just>> hypothetical OK?>> > >> I'll probably be drummed outta the "Corps forthis He > He>> >> Peace Love and Finance>> > Randy>> >> >> On Sat, Jun > 28, 2008 at 5:51 AM, simon loxton>> >> > wrote:>> >>> The root contains little ibogaine at all and is used > mainly as a>>> laxative>>> among other things. The root bark if > prepared and maturedcorrectly>>> can have>>> up to 6% ibogaine at > the most. The batch I tested had 5% but most>>> are around>>> 2% if > bought commercially. The extract is not really available >>> > except>>> through Sarah as far as I know.>>> With the whole root you > would be wasting your time as far as detox>>> from>>> Methadone.>>> > I hope this helps and is what you are asking for.>>> >>> >>> ----- > Original Message ---->>> From: Jeremy Spence >>> > To: ibogaine at mindvox.com>>> Sent: Saturday, 28 June, 2008 11:39:49 > AM>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga > to>>> come off>>> methadone?>>> >>> Yes, I ask this, but no body > ever answer me??? I mean roughly??>>> On 80mg>>> of methadone??>>> > >>> And can anybody out there tell me, what's the differenc > ebetween the>>> extract and whole root iboga, and root bark, how how > of>>> difference?? How>>> big?? Like what would a 100 grams of > whole roots iboga compared>>> too????>>> Roughly??? Keep in mind, I > know there is some variation in>>> Ibogaine content being it's a > natural compound. I just want toknow,>>> roughly??>>> >>> How many > grams would I need in say, each?? Like how many grams>>> would I>>> > need in whole iboga compared how many grams I would need in Iboga>>> > root>>> bark?????>>> >>> >>> Can anybody out there help with this > question? I ask before, but>>> never got>>> a good answer. Keep in > mind this all hypothetical.>>> On Jun 28, 2008, at 3:33 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com > wrote:>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------>>> Not happy > with your email address?>>> Get the one you really want >>> new.html> ->>> millions of new email addresses available now > atYahoo!>>> >>> >>> >>> - > =[) ::::: > :: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=->>> (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine > :: [%][)>>> -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: > [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=->>> >>> >> -------------- next part > -------------->> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...>> URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080628/451e1c44/attachment-0001.htm > >> >> ------------------------------>> >> Message: 6>> Date: Sat, 28 > Jun 2008 14:20:12 +0100>> From: Jan Ludewig >> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Planetary Harmonics and > Neurobiological>> sesonances>> To: The Ibogaine List >>> Cc: cousto at eve-rave.net>> Message-ID: <48663A8C.30905 at drug-policy.eu > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed>> >> > simon loxton wrote:>>> http://www.lunarplanner.com/Harmonics/planetary-harmonics.html > >>> >>> I found some interesting tables for people who work with > sound or>>> light in any way.>> Hans Cousto (Eve & Rave) did some > research > on that:>> http://www.planetware.de/octave/>> I assume/am sure he > is open to questions: *cousto at eve-rave.net>> >> jl>> *>> >> >> > ------------------------------>> >> Message: 7>> Date: Sat, 28 Jun > 2008 13:26:58 +0000 (GMT)>> From: simon loxton >>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga > to >> come>> off methadone?>> To: The Ibogaine List >>> Message-ID: <481818.49802.qm at web28607.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8">> >> Oh! I get you man; > well thats an entirely different story because>> there is no set > law. There are many different protocols and dosages>> which is > difficult for me to put on an open forum because people who>> are > desperate can think of trying short cuts; as seems to possibly>> be > the case here. I guess all that has to be stressed besides the>> > different options is that this is a matter best discusses with > your>> potential provider. Start with a provider an > d then discuss what the>> best way forward would be for some one in > "your" position.>> >> Sorry about that. Thanks Randy!>> >> >> ----- > Original Message ---->> From: Randy Faulconer > >> To: The Ibogaine List > >> Sent: Saturday, 28 June, 2008 3:12:29 PM>> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to>> > come off methadone?>> >> >> I'm gonna guess here Si and > say that I think thatwhat>> Jeremy wants is specific amounts of each > for a hypothetical>> methadone treatment where the person is on 80 > mgs of methadone.>> Maybe to see how much it would cost for each. > Like I say, I'm>> guessing here. I'll try and figure it out for you > J, but give me a>> little while and please remember this is just > hypothetical OK?>> >> I'll probably be drummed outta > the "Corps forthis He He>> >> Peace Love and > Finance>> Randy>> >> >> >> On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at > 5:51 AM, simon loxton>> > wrote:>> >> The root contains little > ibogaine at all and is used mainly as a>> laxative among other > things. The root bark if prepared and matured>> correctly can have > up to 6% ibogaine at the most. The batch I tested>> had 5% but most > are around 2% if bought commercially. The extract is>> not really > available except through Sarah as far as I know.>> With the whole > root you would be wasting your time as far as detox>> from > Methadone.>> I hope this helps and is what you are asking for.>> >> > >> >> ----- Original Message ---->> From: Jeremy Spence >>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com>> Sent: Saturday, 28 June, 2008 > 11:39:49 AM>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need > of Iboga to>> come off methadone?>> >> Yes, I ask this, but no body > ever answer me??? I mean roughly?? On>> 80mg of methadone??>> >> > >> And can anybody out there tell me, what's the difference > betweenthe>> extract and whole root iboga, and root bark, how how of > dif > ference??>> How big?? Like what would a 100 grams of whole roots > iboga compared>> too???? Roughly??? Keep in mind, I know there is > some variation in>> Ibogaine content being it's a natural compound. > I just want toknow,>> roughly??>> >> How many grams would I need in > say, each?? Like how many grams>> would I need in whole iboga > compared how many grams I would need in>> Iboga root bark?????>> >> > >> Can anybody out there help with this question? I ask before, > but>> never got a good answer. Keep in mind this all > hypothetical.>> On Jun 28, 2008, at 3:33 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com > wrote:>> >> >> >> ________________________________>> Not happy with > your email address?>> Get the one you really want - millions of new > email addresses>> available now at Yahoo!>> >> -=[) ::::::: MindVox > | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=->> (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine > :: [%][)>> -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: > (]=->> >> >> ___________ > _______________________________________________>> Not happy with > your email address?.>> Get the one you really want - millions of new > email addresses>> available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html > >> -------------- next part -------------->> An HTML attachment was > scrubbed...>> URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080628/af972739/attachment-0001.htm > >> >> ------------------------------>> >> Message: 8>> Date: Sat, 28 > Jun 2008 10:24:51 -0400>> From: "DIANA MUIR" > >> Subject: [Ibogaine] remove>> To: "The > Ibogaine List" >> Message-ID: <001a01c8d92a > $ba6e3e20$4101a8c0 at Pyro>>> Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1">> >> >> ----- Original Message ----->> From: > Jeremy Spence>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com>> Sent: Saturday, June 28, > 2008 5:39 AM>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need > of Iboga to>> come offmethadone?>> >> >> Yes, I ask this, but no > body ever answer me??? I mean ro > ughly??>> On 80mg of methadone??>> >> >> >> >> And can anybody out > there tell me, what's the difference between>> the extract and whole > root iboga, and root bark, how how of>> difference?? How big?? Like > what would a 100 grams of whole roots>> iboga compared too???? > Roughly??? Keep in mind, I know there is>> some variation in > Ibogaine content being it's a natural compound.I>> just want to > know, roughly??>> >> >> How many grams would I need in say, each?? > Like how many grams>> would I need in whole iboga compared how many > grams I would need in>> Iboga root bark?????>> >> >> >> >> Can > anybody out there help with this question? I ask before, but>> never > got a good answer. Keep in mind this all hypothetical.>> On Jun 28, > 2008, at 3:33 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote:>> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------> > > >> >> >> -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: > (]=->> (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/ > mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][)>> -=[) :::: Change Account > Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=->> >> >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------> > > >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message.>> Checked by > AVG.>> Version: 8.0.101 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1522 - Release > Date:>> 6/27/2008 8:27 AM>> -------------- next part -------------- > >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...>> URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080628/881caa42/attachment-0001.htm > >> >> ------------------------------>> >> Message: 9>> Date: Sat, 28 > Jun 2008 10:28:59 -0400>> From: "Randy Faulconer" >>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga > to >> come>> off methadone?>> To: "The Ibogaine List" >>> Message-ID:>> <29d165a30806280728j6c7b4549ld4dd70fc6844cd54 at mail.gmail.com > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1">> >> > Absolutely Si!! Agree wit > h Simon here too. Doing Ibogaine by>> yourself is very, very, > dangerous. There needs to be somebody with>> EXPERIENCE around when > a treatment is going on. Lots of weird kind>> of shit>> can occur, > and an experienced guide will be able to handle that>> without>> > freaking out. Trust me on this yall.>> >> I feel kind of weird > about giving out the instuctions on how>> to dose>> it like that my > man. This is on second thought you understand,>> COOL?? I>> asked > the same questions when I was first looking into Ibo.>> >> > Get a provider dude, OK? I don't want anything bad tohappen>> during > a treatment for a lot of reasons.>> >> Peace Love and > Safety>> Randy>> >> On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 9:26 AM, > simon loxton>> >> wrote:>> >>> Oh! I get > you man; well thats an entirely different story because>>> there>>> > is no set law. There are many different protocols and > dosageswhich>>> is>>> difficult for me to put on an open forum because > people who are>>> desperate>>> can think of trying short cuts; as > seems to possibly be the case>>> here. I>>> guess all that has to be > stressed besides the different options is>>> that this>>> is a > matter best discusses with your potential provider. Start >>> with > a>>> provider and then discuss what the best way forward would be > for>>> some one in>>> "your" position.>>> >>> Sorry about that. > Thanks Randy!>>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ---->>> From: Randy > Faulconer >>> To: The Ibogaine List >>>> Sent: Saturday, 28 June, 2008 3:12:29 PM>>> Subject: Re: > [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to>>> come off>>> > methadone?>>> >>> I'm gonna guess here Si and say that > I think thatwhat>>> Jeremy wants is specific amounts of each for a > hypothetical >>> methadone>>> treatment where the person is on 80 > mgs of methadone. Maybe to see>>> how much>>> it would cost for > each. Like I say, I'm guessing here.I'll try and >>>> figure>>> it out for you J, but give me a little while and please >>>> remember>>> this is>>> just hypothetical OK?>>> >>> >>>> I'll probably be drummed outta the "Corpsfor this He>>> He>>> >>>> >>> Peace Love and Finance>>> >>>> Randy>>> >>> >>> On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 5:51 AM, simon loxton>>> >>>> >>> wrote:>>> >>>> The root contains little ibogaine at all >>>> and is used mainly asa>>>> laxative among other things. The root >>>> bark if prepared andmatured>>>> correctly>>>> can have up to 6% >>>> ibogaine at the most. The batch I tested had5%>>>> but most>>>> >>>> are around 2% if bought commercially. The extract is >>>> notreally>>>> available>>>> except through Sarah as far as I >>>> know.>>>> With the whole root you would be wasting your time as >>>> far asdetox>>>> from>>>> Methadone.>>>> I hope this helps and is >>>> what you are asking for.>>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>> >>>> From: Jeremy Spence >>>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com >>>> >>>> > Sent: Saturday, 28 June, 2008 11:39:49 AM>>>> Subject: Re: > [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Ibogato>>>> come off>>>> > methadone?>>>> >>>> Yes, I ask this, but no body ever answer me??? > I meanroughly??>>>> On 80mg>>>> of methadone??>>>> >>>> And can > anybody out there tell me, what's the differencebetween >>>> > the>>>> extract and whole root iboga, and root bark, how how of>>>> > difference?? How>>>> big?? Like what would a 100 grams of whole > roots ibogacompared>>>> too????>>>> Roughly??? Keep in mind, I know > there is some variation in>>>> Ibogaine content being it's a natural > compound. I justwant to >>>> know,>>>> roughly??>>>> >>>> How many > grams would I need in say, each?? Like how manygrams>>>> would > I>>>> need in whole iboga compared how many grams I would need > inIboga>>>> root>>>> bark?????>>>> >>>> >>>> Can anybody out there > help with this question? I ask before,but>>>> never got>>>> a good > answer. Keep in mind this all hypothetical.>>>> On Jun 28, 2008, a > t 3:33 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.comwrote:>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > ------------------------------>>>> Not happy with your email address? > >>>> Get the one you really want>>> > new.html> ->>>> millions of new email addresses available now > atYahoo!>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=->>>> (] > [%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][)>>>> - > =[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=->>>> >>>> > >>> >>> ------------------------------>>> Not happy with your email > address?>>> Get the one you really want >>> new.html> ->>> millions of new email addresses available now > atYahoo!>>> >>> >>> >>> - > =[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=->>> (] > [%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][)>>> - > =[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe > :::: (]=->>> >>> >> -------------- next part -------------->> An > HTML attachment was scrubbed...>> URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080628/5516d326/attachment.htm > >> >> ------------------------------>> >> >> -=[) :::::::: MindVox | > Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=->> (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine > :: [%][)>> -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: > [Un]Subscribe ::::: (]=->> >> >> End of Ibogaine Digest, Vol 10, > Issue 313>> *****************************************> > > > > ------------------------------> > > -=[) :::::::: MindVox | > Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=-> (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine > :: [%][)> -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: > [Un]Subscribe ::::: (]=-> > > End of Ibogaine Digest, Vol 10, Issue > 314> ***************************************** -=[) ::::::: > MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=-(][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine > :: [%][) -=[) :::: Ch > ange Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- > (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) > -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080705/fd895a27/attachment.htm > > ------------------------------ > > > -=[) :::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- > (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) > -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe ::::: (]=- > > > End of Ibogaine Digest, Vol 11, Issue 1 > *************************************** From bicuitboy714 at gmail.com Sat Jul 5 18:00:13 2008 From: bicuitboy714 at gmail.com (Randy Faulconer) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 18:00:13 -0400 Subject: [Ibogaine] MK 801?? In-Reply-To: <29d165a30807011015w2185221alc697f527100510e4@mail.gmail.com> References: <29d165a30807011015w2185221alc697f527100510e4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <29d165a30807051500h66c66ff3p72d8c25712c18ff3@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 1:15 PM, Randy Faulconer wrote: > Hey yall's, I was looking around at the NIDA home page, looking > for what they may have said about Ibogaine lately. I didn't find anything > new, but I stumbled on to a report on MK 801. The drug name is Dizocilpine. > Has anybody had any experience with this? It is claimed to be a strong > hallucinitory substance, although it has some bad side effects. Real bad > amnesia for one. It has very strong auditory hallucinations and lasts a long > time. It is measured in Micro-grams so it is very potent and has the risk of > OD along with it. It's actions are in the NMDA antagonist group of drugs. > > I'm just curious about it>>??<< > > Peace Love and Ear Trips > Randy > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080705/37431549/attachment.htm From pdr at echonyc.com Sat Jul 5 02:49:27 2008 From: pdr at echonyc.com (Paul DeRienzo) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 02:49:27 -0400 Subject: [Ibogaine] Dana on Let Them Talk In-Reply-To: <4E85FE31-3A40-4BF9-BE13-3FEE4D338DF4@phantom.com> References: <629028.28290.qm@web54304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4E85FE31-3A40-4BF9-BE13-3FEE4D338DF4@phantom.com> Message-ID: Dana Beal discusses his recent legal troubles and speaks about an Ibogaine clinic in Agua Prieta, Mexico. http://blip.tv/file/1049634 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080705/ed88d9ed/attachment.htm From corbin0281 at gmail.com Thu Jul 3 02:12:10 2008 From: corbin0281 at gmail.com (Patrick Corbin) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 01:12:10 -0500 Subject: [Ibogaine] stop the fightinf and do somethin productive In-Reply-To: <629028.28290.qm@web54304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <4867CF6A.3080803@gmail.com> <629028.28290.qm@web54304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2295c4ad0807022312i3bd7ac3cxe8a78fd15079c7c5@mail.gmail.com> Ryan...I will send you as much money as you need to get started... But i need a provider in the U.S! Heroin is destroying my life!!! I know ibo will work for me...But no body on this list will tell me anything about it!! I am on parole so i can't leave the country...but money is not an issue for me.. I have more money than I can spend and I am extreamly interested in n ibo...I know it can save my life...I have had dreams about the bwiti telling me so and giving me the plant......before i even knew what it was!!! I researched it and found out about ibo...I know these dreams are a sign from some higher power....I know heroin is going to kill me or send me to prison for the rest of my life... And i have tried everything! Suboxone, methadone, rapid detox w/ naltroxone!! I know ibo is the answer but i dont have the means!! I have aquired several grams of root bark...but know body on here will tell me what to do with it! is there anyone in the U.S. that can help me??? Like i said...Money is not an issue! I need help! Thanks Patrick 2008/6/30 ryan beck : > > I thought this list was abut the dissemination of ibo and it's value as > tool to help people addicted to drugs , but it has turned into a piss fest > of egos there are a few that have valuable information regarding ibo. Namely > Simon(who have the utmost respect for his knowledge and compassion). If all > providers were as compassionate as Simon and Sara. Ibo would become more > mainstream, Howard and Sara and a handful of others. This s not about us it > is abut something bigger. Ibo has the potential to save 100,000 of thousands > lives; and all I see is infighting This is bigger than all of our petty > egos, Why can't we manufacture it n lab in (?)Gabon, I have a M.S in > chemistry (and several. PhD in organic chemistry who would be more that > happy to join said project), all we need would be to start a lab with the > appropriate funds( the formula is very straight forward and it is rather > simple) One could produce 100,000s doses a year. It should not cost more > than $20 a dose. What is holding the movement back? Infighting! Personal > vested interest? > > > > > --- On *Sun, 6/29/08, Matt Shriver * wrote: > > From: Matt Shriver > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Simon Get a life!! > To: "The Ibogaine List" > Date: Sunday, June 29, 2008, 12:07 PM > > So what's all this about then and who are you again Paul? My only > knowledge of you is through some rather hard to decipher posts, most > recently advocating a rather dubious low dose, long term, ibogaine treatment > for opiate addiction. Simon on the other hand has been around for a while > and while he is certainly no more the authority on all things ibogaine than > anyone else here, he speaks from experience and geniuine concern for > addicts. Where exactly are you coming from? "We are laughing' seriously > laughing" and "Silly little child that you are'" is contributing how > exactly? And since I am asking you all these questions, who is "we"? Your > posts are full of "we this" and "we that" and I can't tell if you > legitimately are representing the views of additional people or just don't > grasp what the word "we" means. I don't say this to be so much > confrontational as your post seems clearly intent on being, but to support > Simon who I respect. > > Matt > > Paul Brookshaw wrote: > > Simon' > > Is a very manipulative so called spirtual healer' with no psychic tools to > fight with' > Because he has no psychic tools to fight with' his jeliously and > twistedness of other folks has reduced him to writting poison pen letters' > Is this is a mark of a seriously good healer' one that knows himself > intimately' > > Obviously doubtful' > > Seriously low, Si! like a little child that has never got their own way' > > Oh my is that the best you can do bro! > > Ha ha ha > > We are untouchable by you ' becaue you have no tools' > > If you wish warefare' Tata says bring it on' > It shall never be pretty' War never is!! > > Be warned as you so warned us on tribes' that we would be sorry' is this > your answer Si! > > > > Grow up little Nzegho' > > Learn of who you are an stop bitching at other folks so as to feel good in > yourself' that you can never know of what we know' > > Cry baby Simon!! > > > To note folks' we shall always send you clients and share openly of our > findings' so as to futher the road of Iboga' > > We shall never have to stoop like Simon has' because we know of who we are' > > Know thyself Simon' > > GET A LIFE > > To the list' be very careful of this little man' he lives in a veil of > jeliousies' of which twist him up' and he knows no way of releasing the said > energies' > > Sad really' > > > And now' > > Big grins behind dark sunglasses' > > We are laughing' seriously laughing Ha ha ha > hahahahahahaahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahaha > > Learn some stuff about who you are Si! > > Leave folks alone to their own devises' > > Silly little child that you are' > > Oh my > > The stupidity of jeliously' > > you must be really hurting Simon' > > Oh my' > > he he he > > > Pa' Omoju Gede Nganga > > Pa' Motumba' > > Bliss and blessings to the list this fine day :) > > > > > Campeche Simon' > Santo Simon' > > ------------------------------ > Get 5GB of online storage for free! 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URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080704/c0207486/attachment.htm From simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk Sat Jul 5 18:32:22 2008 From: simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk (simon loxton) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 22:32:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Ibogaine] stop the fightinf and do somethin productive Message-ID: <368863.98998.qm@web28610.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> I can hook you up with a some options as to treatment in the states if you contact me off list. ----- Original Message ---- From: Patrick Corbin To: The Ibogaine List Sent: Thursday, 3 July, 2008 8:12:10 AM Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] stop the fightinf and do somethin productive Ryan...I will send you as much money as you need to get started... But i need a provider in the U.S! Heroin is destroying my life!!! I know ibo will work for me...But no body on this list will tell me anything about it!! I am on parole so i can't leave the country...but money is not an issue for me.. I have more money than I can spend and I am extreamly interested in n ibo...I know it can save my life...I have had dreams about the bwiti telling me so and giving me the plant......before i even knew what it was!!! I researched it and found out about ibo...I know these dreams are a sign from some higher power....I know heroin is going to kill me or send me to prison for the rest of my life... And i have tried everything! Suboxone, methadone, rapid detox w/ naltroxone!! I know ibo is the answer but i dont have the means!! I have aquired several grams of root bark...but know body on here will tell me what to do with it! is there anyone in the U.S. that can help me??? Like i said...Money is not an issue! I need help! Thanks Patrick 2008/6/30 ryan beck : I thought this list was abut the dissemination of ibo and it's value as tool to help people addicted to drugs , but it has turned into a piss fest of egos there are a few that have valuable information regarding ibo. Namely Simon(who have the utmost respect for his knowledge and compassion). If all providers were as compassionate as Simon and Sara. Ibo would become more mainstream, Howard and Sara and a handful of others. This s not about us it is abut something bigger. Ibo has the potential to save 100,000 of thousands lives; and all I see is infighting This is bigger than all of our petty egos, Why can't we manufacture it n lab in (?)Gabon, I have a M.S in chemistry (and several. PhD in organic chemistry who would be more that happy to join said project), all we need would be to start a lab with the appropriate funds( the formula is very straight forward and it is rather simple) One could produce 100,000s doses a year. It should not cost more than $20 a dose. What is holding the movement back? Infighting! Personal vested interest? --- On Sun, 6/29/08, Matt Shriver wrote: From: Matt Shriver Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Simon Get a life!! To: "The Ibogaine List" Date: Sunday, June 29, 2008, 12:07 PM So what's all this about then and who are you again Paul? My only knowledge of you is through some rather hard to decipher posts, most recently advocating a rather dubious low dose, long term, ibogaine treatment for opiate addiction. Simon on the other hand has been around for a while and while he is certainly no more the authority on all things ibogaine than anyone else here, he speaks from experience and geniuine concern for addicts. Where exactly are you coming from? "We are laughing' seriously laughing" and "Silly little child that you are'" is contributing how exactly? And since I am asking you all these questions, who is "we"? Your posts are full of "we this" and "we that" and I can't tell if you legitimately are representing the views of additional people or just don't grasp what the word "we" means. I don't say this to be so much confrontational as your post seems clearly intent on being, but to support Simon who I respect. Matt Paul Brookshaw wrote: Simon' Is a very manipulative so called spirtual healer' with no psychic tools to fight with' Because he has no psychic tools to fight with' his jeliously and twistedness of other folks has reduced him to writting poison pen letters' Is this is a mark of a seriously good healer' one that knows himself intimately' Obviously doubtful' Seriously low, Si! like a little child that has never got their own way' Oh my is that the best you can do bro! Ha ha ha We are untouchable by you ' becaue you have no tools' If you wish warefare' Tata says bring it on' It shall never be pretty' War never is!! Be warned as you so warned us on tribes' that we would be sorry' is this your answer Si! Grow up little Nzegho' Learn of who you are an stop bitching at other folks so as to feel good in yourself' that you can never know of what we know' Cry baby Simon!! To note folks' we shall always send you clients and share openly of our findings' so as to futher the road of Iboga' We shall never have to stoop like Simon has' because we know of who we are' Know thyself Simon' GET A LIFE To the list' be very careful of this little man' he lives in a veil of jeliousies' of which twist him up' and he knows no way of releasing the said energies' Sad really' And now' Big grins behind dark sunglasses' We are laughing' seriously laughing Ha ha ha hahahahahahaahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahaha Learn some stuff about who you are Si! Leave folks alone to their own devises' Silly little child that you are' Oh my The stupidity of jeliously' you must be really hurting Simon' Oh my' he he he Pa' Omoju Gede Nganga Pa' Motumba' Bliss and blessings to the list this fine day :) Campeche Simon' Santo Simon' ________________________________ Get 5GB of online storage for free! 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URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080705/734f099d/attachment.htm From simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk Sat Jul 5 18:40:53 2008 From: simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk (simon loxton) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 22:40:53 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Ibogaine] stop the fightinf and do somethin productive Message-ID: <620012.41570.qm@web28604.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> As I said contact me and I can possibly point you in the right direction. I just want to bring to your attention that there is a screening process which includes an ECG test. Regarding commercial root bark you have no idea of the alkaloid content. The protocol also differs greatly to the hydrochloride salt and really needs some one experienced to see you through the process; because once the medication kicks in its difficult to keep on administering iboga to your self at the right time and at the right dose. In short its a bit more complicated for addiction interruption; I prefer to use it for its benefits at low doses. Anyhow there are options and I can let you know; but take the advice of the people on the list; this is not meant to be taken alone no matter how much experience you have had with other entheogens. Take care Simon ----- Original Message ---- From: Patrick Corbin To: The Ibogaine List Sent: Thursday, 3 July, 2008 8:12:10 AM Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] stop the fightinf and do somethin productive Ryan...I will send you as much money as you need to get started... But i need a provider in the U.S! Heroin is destroying my life!!! I know ibo will work for me...But no body on this list will tell me anything about it!! I am on parole so i can't leave the country...but money is not an issue for me.. I have more money than I can spend and I am extreamly interested in n ibo...I know it can save my life...I have had dreams about the bwiti telling me so and giving me the plant......before i even knew what it was!!! I researched it and found out about ibo...I know these dreams are a sign from some higher power....I know heroin is going to kill me or send me to prison for the rest of my life... And i have tried everything! Suboxone, methadone, rapid detox w/ naltroxone!! I know ibo is the answer but i dont have the means!! I have aquired several grams of root bark...but know body on here will tell me what to do with it! is there anyone in the U.S. that can help me??? Like i said...Money is not an issue! I need help! Thanks Patrick 2008/6/30 ryan beck : I thought this list was abut the dissemination of ibo and it's value as tool to help people addicted to drugs , but it has turned into a piss fest of egos there are a few that have valuable information regarding ibo. Namely Simon(who have the utmost respect for his knowledge and compassion). If all providers were as compassionate as Simon and Sara. Ibo would become more mainstream, Howard and Sara and a handful of others. This s not about us it is abut something bigger. Ibo has the potential to save 100,000 of thousands lives; and all I see is infighting This is bigger than all of our petty egos, Why can't we manufacture it n lab in (?)Gabon, I have a M.S in chemistry (and several. PhD in organic chemistry who would be more that happy to join said project), all we need would be to start a lab with the appropriate funds( the formula is very straight forward and it is rather simple) One could produce 100,000s doses a year. It should not cost more than $20 a dose. What is holding the movement back? Infighting! Personal vested interest? --- On Sun, 6/29/08, Matt Shriver wrote: From: Matt Shriver Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Simon Get a life!! To: "The Ibogaine List" Date: Sunday, June 29, 2008, 12:07 PM So what's all this about then and who are you again Paul? My only knowledge of you is through some rather hard to decipher posts, most recently advocating a rather dubious low dose, long term, ibogaine treatment for opiate addiction. Simon on the other hand has been around for a while and while he is certainly no more the authority on all things ibogaine than anyone else here, he speaks from experience and geniuine concern for addicts. Where exactly are you coming from? "We are laughing' seriously laughing" and "Silly little child that you are'" is contributing how exactly? And since I am asking you all these questions, who is "we"? Your posts are full of "we this" and "we that" and I can't tell if you legitimately are representing the views of additional people or just don't grasp what the word "we" means. I don't say this to be so much confrontational as your post seems clearly intent on being, but to support Simon who I respect. Matt Paul Brookshaw wrote: Simon' Is a very manipulative so called spirtual healer' with no psychic tools to fight with' Because he has no psychic tools to fight with' his jeliously and twistedness of other folks has reduced him to writting poison pen letters' Is this is a mark of a seriously good healer' one that knows himself intimately' Obviously doubtful' Seriously low, Si! like a little child that has never got their own way' Oh my is that the best you can do bro! Ha ha ha We are untouchable by you ' becaue you have no tools' If you wish warefare' Tata says bring it on' It shall never be pretty' War never is!! Be warned as you so warned us on tribes' that we would be sorry' is this your answer Si! Grow up little Nzegho' Learn of who you are an stop bitching at other folks so as to feel good in yourself' that you can never know of what we know' Cry baby Simon!! To note folks' we shall always send you clients and share openly of our findings' so as to futher the road of Iboga' We shall never have to stoop like Simon has' because we know of who we are' Know thyself Simon' GET A LIFE To the list' be very careful of this little man' he lives in a veil of jeliousies' of which twist him up' and he knows no way of releasing the said energies' Sad really' And now' Big grins behind dark sunglasses' We are laughing' seriously laughing Ha ha ha hahahahahahaahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahaha Learn some stuff about who you are Si! Leave folks alone to their own devises' Silly little child that you are' Oh my The stupidity of jeliously' you must be really hurting Simon' Oh my' he he he Pa' Omoju Gede Nganga Pa' Motumba' Bliss and blessings to the list this fine day :) Campeche Simon' Santo Simon' ________________________________ Get 5GB of online storage for free! 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URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080705/65312eb1/attachment-0001.htm From corbin0281 at gmail.com Thu Jul 3 02:14:18 2008 From: corbin0281 at gmail.com (Patrick Corbin) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 01:14:18 -0500 Subject: [Ibogaine] HELP!!! Message-ID: <2295c4ad0807022314s41caec23ic33de268f5b084de@mail.gmail.com> I will send you as much money as you need to get started... But i need a provider in the U.S! Heroin is destroying my life!!! I know ibo will work for me...But no body on this list will tell me anything about it!! I am on parole so i can't leave the country...but money is not an issue for me.. I have more money than I can spend and I am extreamly interested in n ibo...I know it can save my life...I have had dreams about the bwiti telling me so and giving me the plant......before i even knew what it was!!! I researched it and found out about ibo...I know these dreams are a sign from some higher power....I know heroin is going to kill me or send me to prison for the rest of my life... And i have tried everything! Suboxone, methadone, rapid detox w/ naltroxone!! I know ibo is the answer but i dont have the means!! I have aquired several grams of root bark...but know body on here will tell me what to do with it! is there anyone in the U.S. that can help me??? Like i said...Money is not an issue! I need help! Thanks Patrick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080703/ea791a48/attachment.htm From dana at phantom.com Sat Jul 5 19:32:31 2008 From: dana at phantom.com (Dana Beal) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 19:32:31 -0400 Subject: [Ibogaine] ibogaine - tripping the habit In-Reply-To: <003501c8dd12$e91c3970$0b01a8c0@amira> References: <4867CF6A.3080803@gmail.com><629028.28290.qm@web54304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <848277f90806301848y4e712f36m774a497472b2a252@mail.gmail.com> <003501c8dd12$e91c3970$0b01a8c0@amira> Message-ID: Can you get this in a format I can watch? The image isn't coming up. Can I put it in Qucktime or some other program? Dana/cwn On Jul 3, 2008, at 9:44 AM, Nick Sandberg wrote: > Ed Owles' short film, Tripping the Habit, for Current TV is now > online at > http://current.com/items/89052170_tripping_the_habit It's got me + > a few > other brits in it. > > Nick > > > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- > (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) > -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- From ibogamail at gmail.com Thu Jul 3 19:23:58 2008 From: ibogamail at gmail.com (Matt Shriver) Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 17:23:58 -0600 Subject: [Ibogaine] is this thing on? Message-ID: <486D5F8E.20503@gmail.com> From dana at phantom.com Sat Jul 5 19:41:11 2008 From: dana at phantom.com (Dana Beal) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 19:41:11 -0400 Subject: [Ibogaine] stop the fightinf and do somethin productive In-Reply-To: <2295c4ad0807022312i3bd7ac3cxe8a78fd15079c7c5@m