From wleetheriot at ca.rr.com Thu Jul 3 00:08:19 2008 From: wleetheriot at ca.rr.com (Warren Theriot) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 21:08:19 -0700 Subject: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Re: hello list? Message-ID: <3E6C19FF-7667-4F56-8D6E-884CDA7D4B22@ca.rr.com> Anyone notice a dropoff of list messages in the last 2 days? Warren From nick227 at tiscali.co.uk Thu Jul 3 09:44:24 2008 From: nick227 at tiscali.co.uk (Nick Sandberg) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 14:44:24 +0100 Subject: [Ibogaine] ibogaine - tripping the habit In-Reply-To: <848277f90806301848y4e712f36m774a497472b2a252@mail.gmail.com> References: <4867CF6A.3080803@gmail.com><629028.28290.qm@web54304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <848277f90806301848y4e712f36m774a497472b2a252@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003501c8dd12$e91c3970$0b01a8c0@amira> Ed Owles' short film, Tripping the Habit, for Current TV is now online at http://current.com/items/89052170_tripping_the_habit It's got me + a few other brits in it. Nick From janna at tcmclinic.org Thu Jul 3 23:19:46 2008 From: janna at tcmclinic.org (Janna Pijoan) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 21:19:46 -0600 Subject: [Ibogaine] what happened Message-ID: <001d01c8dd84$d127d7d0$0201a8c0@LAPTOP> Hi, I had been on the Ibogaine email list for about 4 months and then, all of a sudden, I stopped receiving anything about 3-4 days agao. What happened? My email is janna at tcmclinic.org Thank you, Janna Pijoan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Isaiah 65:23 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Donzo "Love converts hearts, and gives peace." __________________________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Sandberg To: 'The Ibogaine List' Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] gettng 0ff ths -nfghtng counter-prductve list A guy who's name I've now forgotten had a way to make ibopyrines (if I remember the name right) years back. It was going to be very cheap. If you know about chemistry maybe you could check this out. I think ibogaine itself is quite pricey to synthesise or extract, that's what I've heard anyway. Nick ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com [mailto:ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com] On Behalf Of ryan beck Sent: 30 June 2008 14:16 To: The Ibogaine List Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] gettng 0ff ths -nfghtng counter-prductve list I thought this list was abut the dissemination of ibo and it's value as tool to help people addicted to drugs , but it has turned into a piss fest of egos there are a few that have valuable information regarding ibo. Namely Simon(who have the utmost respect for his knowledge and compassion). If all providers were as compassionate as Simon and Sara. Ibo would become more mainstream, Howard and Sara and a handful of others. This s not about us it is abut something bigger. Ibo has the potential to save 100,000 of thousands lives; and all I see is infighting This is bigger than all of our petty egos, Why can?t we manufacture it n lab in (?)Gabon, I have a M.S in chemistry (and several. PhD in organic chemistry who would be more that happy to join said project), all we need would be to start a lab with the appropriate funds( the formula is very straight forward and it is rather simple) One could produce 100,000s doses a year. It should not cost more than $20 a dose. What is holding the movement back? Infighting! Personal vested interest? --- On Sat, 6/28/08, Jeremy Spence wrote: From: Jeremy Spence Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] grams of iboga coming off methadone To: ibogaine at mindvox.com Date: Saturday, June 28, 2008, 6:28 PM Look i just wanted to know, roughly how many grams you would need, of root bark?? Like 25grams?? or 50 grams?? I heard somebody on the net talk about if you got 100 grams of whole root iboga(which not that strong) and it had 1% Ibogaine in it, that would be 1 gram of ibogaine, and if it has 2%, that would be 2 grams of ibogaine total of course. Is that true?? I just wondered, Its not like I going to order some today or even next month, I just wonder that all. JS On Jun 28, 2008, at 7:11 PM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote: > Send Ibogaine mailing list submissions to> ibogaine at mindvox.com> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit> http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to> ibogaine-request at mindvox.com> > You can reach the person managing the list at> ibogaine-owner at mindvox.com> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific> than "Re: Contents of Ibogaine digest..."> > > Today's Topics:> > 1. Re: how many grams would you need of Iboga to come off> methadone? (simon loxton)> 2. Re: DEA (DC in AZ)> 3. Re: remove (Randy Faulconer)> 4. Jeremy's answer from me (Randy Faulconer)> 5. Sophie (Randy Faulconer)> 6. Re: Ibogaine Digest, Vol 10, Issue 313 (Jeremy Spence)> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Message: 1> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 14:46:54 +0000 (GMT)> From: simon loxton > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to come> off methadone?> To: The Ibogaine List > Message-ID: <703336.90303.qm at web28613.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"> > Just a basic example to mention is that your heart rate can drop > which is normal to a degree; but a doctor with no working knowledge > of ibogaine will take action which would be inappropriate in this > situation.> Speaking of which; the heart rate and blood pressure need to be > monitored throughout the experience which would be difficult on ones > own.> > > ----- Original Message ----> From: Randy Faulconer > To: The Ibogaine List > Sent: Saturday, 28 June, 2008 4:28:59 PM> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to > come off methadone?> > > Absolutely Si!! Agree with Simon here too. Doing Ibogaine > by yourself is very, very, dangerous. There needs to be somebody > with EXPERIENCE around when a treatment is going on. Lots of weird > kind of shit can occur, and an experienced guide will be able to > handle that without freaking out. Trust me on this yall.> > I feel kind of weird about giving out the instuctions on how > to dose it like that my man. This is on second thought you > understand, COOL?? I asked the same questions when I was first > looking into Ibo.> > Get a provider dude, OK? I don't want anything bad to > happen during a treatment for a lot of reasons.> > Peace Love and Safety> Randy> > > On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 9:26 AM, simon loxton > wrote:> > Oh! I get you man; well thats an entirely different story because > there is no set law. There are many different protocols and dosages > which is difficult for me to put on an open forum because people who > are desperate can think of trying short cuts; as seems to possibly > be the case here. I guess all that has to be stressed besides the > different options is that this is a matter best discusses with your > potential provider. Start with a provider and then discuss what the > best way forward would be for some one in "your" position.> > Sorry about that. Thanks Randy!> > > > ----- Original Message ----> From: Randy Faulconer > To: The Ibogaine List > Sent: Saturday, 28 June, 2008 3:12:29 PM> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to > come off methadone?> > > I'm gonna guess here Si and say that I think that what > Jeremy wants is specific amounts of each for a hypothetical > methadone treatment where the person is on 80 mgs of methadone. > Maybe to see how much it would cost for each. Like I say, I'm > guessing here. I'll try and figure it out for you J, but give me a > little while and please remember this is just hypothetical OK?> > I'll probably be drummed outta the "Corps for thisHe He> > Peace Love and Finance> Randy> > > > On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 5:51 AM, simon loxton > wrote:> > The root contains little ibogaine at all and is used mainly as a > laxative among other things. The root bark if prepared and matured > correctly can have up to 6% ibogaine at the most. The batch I tested > had 5% but most are around 2% if bought commercially. The extract is > not really available except through Sarah as far as I know.> With the whole root you would be wasting your time as far as detox > from Methadone.> I hope this helps and is what you are asking for.> > > > ----- Original Message ----> From: Jeremy Spence > To: ibogaine at mindvox.com> Sent: Saturday, 28 June, 2008 11:39:49 AM> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to > come off methadone?> > Yes, I ask this, but no body ever answer me??? I mean roughly?? On > 80mg of methadone??> > > And can anybody out there tell me, what's the difference between the > extract and whole root iboga, and root bark, how how of difference?? > How big?? Like what would a 100 grams of whole roots iboga compared > too???? Roughly??? Keep in mind, I know there is some variation in > Ibogaine content being it's a natural compound. I just want to know, > roughly??> > How many grams would I need in say, each?? Like how many grams > would I need in whole iboga compared how many grams I would need in > Iboga root bark?????> > > Can anybody out there help with this question? I ask before, but > never got a good answer. Keep in mind this all hypothetical.> On Jun 28, 2008, at 3:33 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote:> > > > ________________________________> Not happy with your email address?> Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses > available now at Yahoo!> > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=-> (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][)> -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=-> > > > > ________________________________> Not happy with your email address?> Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses > available now at Yahoo!> > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=-> (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][)> -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=-> > > __________________________________________________________> Not happy with your email address?.> Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses > available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html> -------------- next part --------------> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...> URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080628/de4ef7c0/attachment-0001.htm> > ------------------------------> > Message: 2> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 08:14:26 -0700> From: "DC in AZ" > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] DEA> To: "The Ibogaine List" > Message-ID:> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > exactly, which is why common practice in this county (cochise, az) > is that yur released and charges are dropped> until the state lab tests come back, which talkes too long, which is > why the charges are almost always dropped.> but they are refiled later depending on lab results a couple few > weeks later. by then the person is long gone out of state, and they > wont> press out of state extradition (for possession anyway), since all > drugs except meth are decrim'd by the az voters here twice.> sick of all of it though, stop the destruction due to drug laws.> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------> Donzo> "Love converts hearts, and gives peace."> __________________________________________________> > ----- Original Message -----> From: Eye of the Bhogi> To: The Ibogaine List> Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 9:14 PM> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] DEA> > > Reminds me of a line from the String Cheese Incident song,"Texas:"> > You can't bust me / if you don't know what ya've found!> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------> > > > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=-> (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][)> -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=-> -------------- next part --------------> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...> URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080628/ec4e408c/attachment-0001.htm> > ------------------------------> > Message: 3> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:07:11 -0400> From: "Randy Faulconer" > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] remove> To: "The Ibogaine List" > Message-ID:> <29d165a30806280907w77edbd7eh9b91efa43c9918b6 at mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > OK dude, here's my very twisted opinion. The science of> treating people for addiction with Ibogasine isn't an exact thing > even in a> clinical setting. No two people react the same. When providers treat > people> here in the US (this may change with Bwiti learnings) they most of > the time> use Ibogaine HCL, which means hydrochloride. It is as pure as it > gets for> the one alcoloid of Ibogaine. 96 to 98 per cent pure Ibogaine. They > do it> body weight. I think you know this so I'll try and make it short. > Anywhere> from 12 mgs per kg to 24 mgs for the flood dose. Most people don't > go over> 24 mgs per kg in a 24 hour period. The point is, even with the pure > Ibo you> have to be there and see the look on the patients face to know if he > has> enough, and then look for withdrawals later. It takes a provider to > know> this and everything else is just guessing. PERIOD. Then different > drugs are> different treatments. Root bark and extracts are harder to measure > for a> dosage. That's why Sara is such a good provider with the extact. She > knows> what she is doing and knows what to look for. There is no cut and > dry dose> especially with methadone with root bark. I know you don't want to > hear this> but that's the way it is. Shoot me if I'm wrong. And remember that > is my> opinon and I'm twisted OK??> > Peace Love and Knowledge> Randy> BiscuitBoy Blues> > On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 10:24 AM, DIANA MUIR > wrote:> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----->> *From:* Jeremy Spence >> *To:* ibogaine at mindvox.com>> *Sent:* Saturday, June 28, 2008 5:39 AM>> *Subject:* Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to >> come>> offmethadone?>> >> Yes, I ask this, but no body ever answer me??? I mean roughly?? >> On 80mg>> of methadone??>> >> And can anybody out there tell me, what's the difference betweenthe>> extract and whole root iboga, and root bark, how how of >> difference?? How>> big?? Like what would a 100 grams of whole roots iboga compared >> too????>> Roughly??? Keep in mind, I know there is some variation in>> Ibogaine content being it's a natural compound. I just want toknow,>> roughly??>> >> How many grams would I need in say, each?? Like how many grams >> would I>> need in whole iboga compared how many grams I would need in Iboga >> root>> bark?????>> >> >> Can anybody out there help with this question? I ask before, but >> never got>> a good answer. Keep in mind this all hypothetical.>> On Jun 28, 2008, at 3:33 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote:>> >> >> ------------------------------>> >> >> -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=->> (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][)>> -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=->> >> ------------------------------>> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message.>> Checked by AVG.>> Version: 8.0.101 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1522 - Release Date: >> 6/27/2008>> 8:27 AM>> >> >> >> -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=->> (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][)>> -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=->> >> > -------------- next part --------------> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...> URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080628/eb90c56c/attachment-0001.htm> > ------------------------------> > Message: 4> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 13:21:49 -0400> From: "Randy Faulconer" > Subject: [Ibogaine] Jeremy's answer from me> To: "The Ibogaine List" > Message-ID:> <29d165a30806281021u661d1535o269bda5e21d1644 at mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > I put an answer to your question on the message that was asking to be> removed. I can't remember the name but it's probably the onlyEmail > asking> to get off of the list right now. I somehow deleted what is on my > mail, so I> can't see what I said, but it's there.> > Peace> > > Randy> -------------- next part --------------> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...> URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080628/357a0500/attachment-0001.htm> > ------------------------------> > Message: 5> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 13:34:48 -0400> From: "Randy Faulconer" > Subject: [Ibogaine] Sophie> To: "The Ibogaine List" > Message-ID:> <29d165a30806281034j73730c7cucf9b5ca2afcba2e3 at mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > You asked me when, and how much Ibo I did I think, so I'm > starting this> new thread to asnwer your question.> > I did my first BIG treatment in the fall of 04, the last of > September.> I was on 80 mgs of methadone. It was rough, and the treatment itself > lasted> about 3 days. Being that it was a methadone treatment, I did a bunch > of> Ibogaine. Total was 34 mgs per kg, but that was spread out over 2> days. After that I did a couple of boosters and a 6 mg tune up the > next> year. I've had my ups and downs, mostly with alcohol, but I stay in > the> fight, and never give up. Ask away with questions when you want to, > and> learn all you can. Have you done Ibogaine?> > Peace Love and Freedom> Randy> Biscuitboy Blues> -------------- next part --------------> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...> URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080628/62d1dd8b/attachment-0001.htm> > ------------------------------> > Message: 6> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 19:11:25 -0500> From: Jeremy Spence > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Digest, Vol 10, Issue 313> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com> Message-ID: <295DBBD2-22DF-4D31-96AB-489B3EAA9A28 at mac.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes> > Look you all, I not a child, I can take care of my self! I just ask,> that all, its not like I am going to go right out and down a bunch of> the shit without doing a test dose at least!! I am not that stupid!!!> > I don't have the money for a to go to some one, its not going to> happen for me that way, Its not possible for me that way guys!!!!!> I been on disabitly for nearly 6-7 years and can't work right now, I> just asking it I ever got better, that all!!!> > Look guys, i do it my self anyways, I just wanted help that all, but> since no body will help me here, i guess I just have to try it myself,> trail and error just like i always do!!! How much would a test dose> be??? I am in good health other wise, no heart problems, liver> problem, or major organ problems, I just have IC that all! I not even> going to do it un less I get completely better anyways!> > Look if you want to protect people, you need to tell people this> info!! So if they did get some that might know what they are doing!!!!> I have done many types of drugs before, and I know, yes iboga is> different, ok, I know, but would you want people to have the info so> that they might know what to do!! instead of not knowing shit, and> then dong the trail and error thing????> > This board is worthless then if you will not share info> > > On Jun 28, 2008, at 9:29 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote:> >> Send Ibogaine mailing list submissions to>> ibogaine at mindvox.com>> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit>> http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to>> ibogaine-request at mindvox.com>> >> You can reach the person managing the list at>> ibogaine-owner at mindvox.com>> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific>> than "Re: Contents of Ibogaine digest...">> >> >> Today's Topics:>> >> 1. Re: how many grams would you need of Iboga to come off>> methadone? (Jeremy Spence)>> 2. Re: Leo Finegold?Dana get a life (Adam Nodelman)>> 3. Re: how many grams would you need of Iboga to come off>> methadone? (simon loxton)>> 4. Planetary Harmonics and Neurobiological sesonances (simon loxton)>> 5. Re: how many grams would you need of Iboga to come off>> methadone? (Randy Faulconer)>> 6. Re: Planetary Harmonics and Neurobiological sesonances>> (Jan Ludewig)>> 7. Re: how many grams would you need of Iboga to come off>> methadone? (simon loxton)>> 8. remove (DIANA MUIR)>> 9. Re: how many grams would you need of Iboga to come off>> methadone? (Randy Faulconer)>> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------->> >> Message: 1>> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 04:39:49 -0500>> From: Jeremy Spence >> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to >> come>> off methadone?>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com>> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii">> >> Yes, I ask this, but no body ever answer me??? I mean roughly?? On>> 80mg of methadone??>> >> >> And can anybody out there tell me, what's the difference betweenthe>> extract and whole root iboga, and root bark, how how of difference??>> How big?? Like what would a 100 grams of whole roots iboga compared>> too???? Roughly??? Keep in mind, I know there is some variation in>> Ibogaine content being it's a natural compound. I just want toknow,>> roughly??>> >> How many grams would I need in say, each?? Like how many grams would>> I need in whole iboga compared how many grams I would need in Iboga>> root bark?????>> >> >> Can anybody out there help with this question? I ask before, but >> never>> got a good answer. Keep in mind this all hypothetical.>> On Jun 28, 2008, at 3:33 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote:>> >>> >> -------------- next part -------------->> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...>> URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080628/af1a041e/attachment-0001.htm>> >> ------------------------------>> >> Message: 2>> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 02:42:00 -0700 (PDT)>> From: Adam Nodelman >> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold?Dana get a life>> To: The Ibogaine List >> Message-ID: <948719.82485.qm at web37405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii">> >> That might be the whole point:The plant helps the people towards>> self discovery, the addict treats himself in the end.No one that I>> know ever claimed to be a guru. Looking for one Nick? As for>> underlining issues, well...I'm sure we all strive to reach your>> perfectly balanced higher plane but alas, were just not all there.>> Adam>> >> >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------->> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...>> URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080628/0160ed79/attachment-0001.htm>> >> ------------------------------>> >> Message: 3>> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 09:51:04 +0000 (GMT)>> From: simon loxton >> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to >> come>> off methadone?>> To: The Ibogaine List >> Message-ID: <976636.56653.qm at web28610.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8">> >> The root contains little ibogaine at all and is used mainly as a>> laxative among other things. The root bark if prepared and matured>> correctly can have up to 6% ibogaine at the most. The batch I tested>> had 5% but most are around 2% if bought commercially. The extract is>> not really available except through Sarah as far as I know.>> With the whole root you would be wasting your time as far as detox>> from Methadone.>> I hope this helps and is what you are asking for.>> >> >> ----- Original Message ---->> From: Jeremy Spence >> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com>> Sent: Saturday, 28 June, 2008 11:39:49 AM>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to>> come off methadone?>> >> Yes, I ask this, but no body ever answer me??? I mean roughly?? On>> 80mg of methadone??>> >> >> And can anybody out there tell me, what's the difference betweenthe>> extract and whole root iboga, and root bark, how how of difference??>> How big?? Like what would a 100 grams of whole roots iboga compared>> too???? Roughly??? Keep in mind, I know there is some variation in>> Ibogaine content being it's a natural compound. I just want toknow,>> roughly??>> >> How many grams would I need in say, each?? Like how many grams>> would I need in whole iboga compared how many grams I would need in>> Iboga root bark?????>> >> >> Can anybody out there help with this question? I ask before, but>> never got a good answer. Keep in mind this all hypothetical.>> On Jun 28, 2008, at 3:33 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote:>> >> >> __________________________________________________________>> Not happy with your email address?.>> Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses>> available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html>> -------------- next part -------------->> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...>> URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080628/1c9d00e4/attachment-0001.htm>> >> ------------------------------>> >> Message: 4>> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 13:06:12 +0000 (GMT)>> From: simon loxton >> Subject: [Ibogaine] Planetary Harmonics and Neurobiological >> sesonances>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com>> Message-ID: <593912.29605.qm at web28606.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8">> >> http://www.lunarplanner.com/Harmonics/planetary-harmonics.html>> >> I found some interesting tables for people who work with sound or>> light in any way.>> >> >> >> __________________________________________________________>> Not happy with your email address?.>> Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses>> available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html>> -------------- next part -------------->> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...>> URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080628/9fda5400/attachment-0001.htm>> >> ------------------------------>> >> Message: 5>> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 09:12:29 -0400>> From: "Randy Faulconer" >> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to >> come>> off methadone?>> To: "The Ibogaine List" >> Message-ID:>> <29d165a30806280612u399dda1h4fc9ad7676521156 at mail.gmail.com>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1">> >> I'm gonna guess here Si and say that I think thatwhat>> Jeremy>> wants is specific amounts of each for a hypothetical methadone>> treatment>> where the person is on 80 mgs of methadone. Maybe to see how much it>> would>> cost for each. Like I say, I'm guessing here. I'll try andfigure it>> out for>> you J, but give me a little while and please remember this is just>> hypothetical OK?>> >> I'll probably be drummed outta the "Corps forthis He He>> >> Peace Love and Finance>> Randy>> >> >> On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 5:51 AM, simon loxton>> >> wrote:>> >>> The root contains little ibogaine at all and is used mainly as a>>> laxative>>> among other things. The root bark if prepared and maturedcorrectly>>> can have>>> up to 6% ibogaine at the most. The batch I tested had 5% but most>>> are around>>> 2% if bought commercially. The extract is not really available >>> except>>> through Sarah as far as I know.>>> With the whole root you would be wasting your time as far as detox>>> from>>> Methadone.>>> I hope this helps and is what you are asking for.>>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ---->>> From: Jeremy Spence >>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com>>> Sent: Saturday, 28 June, 2008 11:39:49 AM>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to>>> come off>>> methadone?>>> >>> Yes, I ask this, but no body ever answer me??? I mean roughly??>>> On 80mg>>> of methadone??>>> >>> And can anybody out there tell me, what's the differencebetween the>>> extract and whole root iboga, and root bark, how how of>>> difference?? How>>> big?? Like what would a 100 grams of whole roots iboga compared>>> too????>>> Roughly??? Keep in mind, I know there is some variation in>>> Ibogaine content being it's a natural compound. I just want toknow,>>> roughly??>>> >>> How many grams would I need in say, each?? Like how many grams>>> would I>>> need in whole iboga compared how many grams I would need in Iboga>>> root>>> bark?????>>> >>> >>> Can anybody out there help with this question? I ask before, but>>> never got>>> a good answer. Keep in mind this all hypothetical.>>> On Jun 28, 2008, at 3:33 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote:>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------>>> Not happy with your email address?>>> Get the one you really want >> new.html> ->>> millions of new email addresses available now atYahoo!>>> >>> >>> >>> -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=->>> (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][)>>> -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=->>> >>> >> -------------- next part -------------->> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...>> URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080628/451e1c44/attachment-0001.htm>> >> ------------------------------>> >> Message: 6>> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 14:20:12 +0100>> From: Jan Ludewig >> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Planetary Harmonics and Neurobiological>> sesonances>> To: The Ibogaine List >> Cc: cousto at eve-rave.net>> Message-ID: <48663A8C.30905 at drug-policy.eu>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed>> >> simon loxton wrote:>>> http://www.lunarplanner.com/Harmonics/planetary-harmonics.html>>> >>> I found some interesting tables for people who work with sound or>>> light in any way.>> Hans Cousto (Eve & Rave) did some research on that:>> http://www.planetware.de/octave/>> I assume/am sure he is open to questions: *cousto at eve-rave.net>> >> jl>> *>> >> >> ------------------------------>> >> Message: 7>> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 13:26:58 +0000 (GMT)>> From: simon loxton >> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to >> come>> off methadone?>> To: The Ibogaine List >> Message-ID: <481818.49802.qm at web28607.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8">> >> Oh! I get you man; well thats an entirely different story because>> there is no set law. There are many different protocols and dosages>> which is difficult for me to put on an open forum because people who>> are desperate can think of trying short cuts; as seems to possibly>> be the case here. I guess all that has to be stressed besides the>> different options is that this is a matter best discusses with your>> potential provider. Start with a provider and then discuss what the>> best way forward would be for some one in "your" position.>> >> Sorry about that. Thanks Randy!>> >> >> ----- Original Message ---->> From: Randy Faulconer >> To: The Ibogaine List >> Sent: Saturday, 28 June, 2008 3:12:29 PM>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to>> come off methadone?>> >> >> I'm gonna guess here Si and say that I think thatwhat>> Jeremy wants is specific amounts of each for a hypothetical>> methadone treatment where the person is on 80 mgs of methadone.>> Maybe to see how much it would cost for each. Like I say, I'm>> guessing here. I'll try and figure it out for you J, but give me a>> little while and please remember this is just hypothetical OK?>> >> I'll probably be drummed outta the "Corps forthis He He>> >> Peace Love and Finance>> Randy>> >> >> >> On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 5:51 AM, simon loxton>> wrote:>> >> The root contains little ibogaine at all and is used mainly as a>> laxative among other things. The root bark if prepared and matured>> correctly can have up to 6% ibogaine at the most. The batch I tested>> had 5% but most are around 2% if bought commercially. The extract is>> not really available except through Sarah as far as I know.>> With the whole root you would be wasting your time as far as detox>> from Methadone.>> I hope this helps and is what you are asking for.>> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---->> From: Jeremy Spence >> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com>> Sent: Saturday, 28 June, 2008 11:39:49 AM>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to>> come off methadone?>> >> Yes, I ask this, but no body ever answer me??? I mean roughly?? On>> 80mg of methadone??>> >> >> And can anybody out there tell me, what's the difference betweenthe>> extract and whole root iboga, and root bark, how how of difference??>> How big?? Like what would a 100 grams of whole roots iboga compared>> too???? Roughly??? Keep in mind, I know there is some variation in>> Ibogaine content being it's a natural compound. I just want toknow,>> roughly??>> >> How many grams would I need in say, each?? Like how many grams>> would I need in whole iboga compared how many grams I would need in>> Iboga root bark?????>> >> >> Can anybody out there help with this question? I ask before, but>> never got a good answer. Keep in mind this all hypothetical.>> On Jun 28, 2008, at 3:33 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote:>> >> >> >> ________________________________>> Not happy with your email address?>> Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses>> available now at Yahoo!>> >> -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=->> (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][)>> -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=->> >> >> __________________________________________________________>> Not happy with your email address?.>> Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses>> available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html>> -------------- next part -------------->> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...>> URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080628/af972739/attachment-0001.htm>> >> ------------------------------>> >> Message: 8>> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 10:24:51 -0400>> From: "DIANA MUIR" >> Subject: [Ibogaine] remove>> To: "The Ibogaine List" >> Message-ID: <001a01c8d92a$ba6e3e20$4101a8c0 at Pyro>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1">> >> >> ----- Original Message ----->> From: Jeremy Spence>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com>> Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 5:39 AM>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to>> come offmethadone?>> >> >> Yes, I ask this, but no body ever answer me??? I mean roughly??>> On 80mg of methadone??>> >> >> >> >> And can anybody out there tell me, what's the difference between>> the extract and whole root iboga, and root bark, how how of>> difference?? How big?? Like what would a 100 grams of whole roots>> iboga compared too???? Roughly??? Keep in mind, I know there is>> some variation in Ibogaine content being it's a natural compound.I>> just want to know, roughly??>> >> >> How many grams would I need in say, each?? Like how many grams>> would I need in whole iboga compared how many grams I would need in>> Iboga root bark?????>> >> >> >> >> Can anybody out there help with this question? I ask before, but>> never got a good answer. Keep in mind this all hypothetical.>> On Jun 28, 2008, at 3:33 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote:>> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------>> >> >> >> -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=->> (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][)>> -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=->> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------>> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message.>> Checked by AVG.>> Version: 8.0.101 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1522 - Release Date:>> 6/27/2008 8:27 AM>> -------------- next part -------------->> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...>> URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080628/881caa42/attachment-0001.htm>> >> ------------------------------>> >> Message: 9>> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 10:28:59 -0400>> From: "Randy Faulconer" >> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to >> come>> off methadone?>> To: "The Ibogaine List" >> Message-ID:>> <29d165a30806280728j6c7b4549ld4dd70fc6844cd54 at mail.gmail.com>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1">> >> Absolutely Si!! Agree with Simon here too. Doing Ibogaine by>> yourself is very, very, dangerous. There needs to be somebody with>> EXPERIENCE around when a treatment is going on. Lots of weird kind>> of shit>> can occur, and an experienced guide will be able to handle that>> without>> freaking out. Trust me on this yall.>> >> I feel kind of weird about giving out the instuctions on how>> to dose>> it like that my man. This is on second thought you understand,>> COOL?? I>> asked the same questions when I was first looking into Ibo.>> >> Get a provider dude, OK? I don't want anything bad tohappen>> during a treatment for a lot of reasons.>> >> Peace Love and Safety>> Randy>> >> On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 9:26 AM, simon loxton>> >> wrote:>> >>> Oh! I get you man; well thats an entirely different story because>>> there>>> is no set law. There are many different protocols and dosageswhich>>> is>>> difficult for me to put on an open forum because people who are>>> desperate>>> can think of trying short cuts; as seems to possibly be the case>>> here. I>>> guess all that has to be stressed besides the different options is>>> that this>>> is a matter best discusses with your potential provider. Start >>> with a>>> provider and then discuss what the best way forward would be for>>> some one in>>> "your" position.>>> >>> Sorry about that. Thanks Randy!>>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ---->>> From: Randy Faulconer >>> To: The Ibogaine List >>> Sent: Saturday, 28 June, 2008 3:12:29 PM>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to>>> come off>>> methadone?>>> >>> I'm gonna guess here Si and say that I think thatwhat>>> Jeremy wants is specific amounts of each for a hypothetical >>> methadone>>> treatment where the person is on 80 mgs of methadone. Maybe to see>>> how much>>> it would cost for each. Like I say, I'm guessing here.I'll try and>>> figure>>> it out for you J, but give me a little while and please remember>>> this is>>> just hypothetical OK?>>> >>> I'll probably be drummed outta the "Corpsfor this He>>> He>>> >>> Peace Love and Finance>>> Randy>>> >>> >>> On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 5:51 AM, simon loxton>>> >>> wrote:>>> >>>> The root contains little ibogaine at all and is used mainly asa>>>> laxative among other things. The root bark if prepared andmatured>>>> correctly>>>> can have up to 6% ibogaine at the most. The batch I tested had5%>>>> but most>>>> are around 2% if bought commercially. The extract is notreally>>>> available>>>> except through Sarah as far as I know.>>>> With the whole root you would be wasting your time as far asdetox>>>> from>>>> Methadone.>>>> I hope this helps and is what you are asking for.>>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ---->>>> From: Jeremy Spence >>>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com>>>> Sent: Saturday, 28 June, 2008 11:39:49 AM>>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Ibogato>>>> come off>>>> methadone?>>>> >>>> Yes, I ask this, but no body ever answer me??? I meanroughly??>>>> On 80mg>>>> of methadone??>>>> >>>> And can anybody out there tell me, what's the differencebetween >>>> the>>>> extract and whole root iboga, and root bark, how how of>>>> difference?? How>>>> big?? Like what would a 100 grams of whole roots ibogacompared>>>> too????>>>> Roughly??? Keep in mind, I know there is some variation in>>>> Ibogaine content being it's a natural compound. I justwant to >>>> know,>>>> roughly??>>>> >>>> How many grams would I need in say, each?? Like how manygrams>>>> would I>>>> need in whole iboga compared how many grams I would need inIboga>>>> root>>>> bark?????>>>> >>>> >>>> Can anybody out there help with this question? I ask before,but>>>> never got>>>> a good answer. Keep in mind this all hypothetical.>>>> On Jun 28, 2008, at 3:33 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.comwrote:>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------>>>> Not happy with your email address?>>>> Get the one you really want>>> new.html> ->>>> millions of new email addresses available now atYahoo!>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=->>>> (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][)>>>> -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=->>>> >>>> >>> >>> ------------------------------>>> Not happy with your email address?>>> Get the one you really want >> new.html> ->>> millions of new email addresses available now atYahoo!>>> >>> >>> >>> -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=->>> (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][)>>> -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=->>> >>> >> -------------- next part -------------->> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...>> URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080628/5516d326/attachment.htm>> >> ------------------------------>> >> >> -=[) :::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=->> (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][)>> -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe ::::: (]=->> >> >> End of Ibogaine Digest, Vol 10, Issue 313>> *****************************************> > > > ------------------------------> > > -=[) :::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=-> (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][)> -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe ::::: (]=-> > > End of Ibogaine Digest, Vol 10, Issue 314> ***************************************** -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=-(][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If you get this via the list its on again, Simon ----- Original Message ---- From: Warren Theriot To: The Ibogaine List Sent: Thursday, 3 July, 2008 6:08:19 AM Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Re: hello list? Anyone notice a dropoff of list messages in the last 2 days? Warren -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk Sat Jul 5 17:48:02 2008 From: simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk (simon loxton) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 21:48:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Ibogaine] Mabundi Message-ID: <62894.86483.qm@web28608.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOLkELbi7yM This is a link for "Mabundi" womans Bwiti. __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080705/1fb5acf6/attachment.htm From jlspence at mac.com Sat Jul 5 17:47:59 2008 From: jlspence at mac.com (Jeremy Spence) Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 16:47:59 -0500 Subject: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Digest, Vol 11, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E796D29-ADA4-416A-A569-6BA54DC65381@mac.com> Thank to simon, for trying to help me! I'll get at you when I need to ok? I would like, when I am ready to go through my options when the time is right. Ok, I understand the priceyesss,It just sucks for people who live on fixed incomes, and barely can afford to eat and keep a roof over their heads. That's all i am saying. I never wanted it to bel ike this, I never wanted to be on opiates, it not like I wanted it for some new high!! Because of pain reasons, I had little choice but to get on them!! There are many people out there that just don't understand that in this world. On Jul 5, 2008, at 4:13 PM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote: > Send Ibogaine mailing list submissions to > ibogaine at mindvox.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > ibogaine-request at mindvox.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > ibogaine-owner at mindvox.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Ibogaine digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: stop the fightinf and do somethin productive (Krista Vaughan) > 2. Re: Ibogaine Re: hello list? (Warren Theriot) > 3. ibogaine - tripping the habit (Nick Sandberg) > 4. what happened (Janna Pijoan) > 5. Re: gettng 0ff ths -nfghtng counter-prductve list (DC in AZ) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:48:42 -0400 > From: "Krista Vaughan" > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] stop the fightinf and do somethin productive > To: "The Ibogaine List" > Message-ID: > <848277f90806301848y4e712f36m774a497472b2a252 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi, first off this list has directly helped hundreds of people get > their lives back and clean up. It's also helped those same people with > having a place to get group support. It does have a lot of noise > sometimes, but then it has a huge amount of people, a lot of them > having started posting lately. The contributions I've seen so far from > you Ryan, are nothing. > > Secondly, so Gabon which is a very poor region, has made the cost of > ibogaine increase by adding whatever fees and taxes on top, before any > of the ibogaine makes it to a lab to get processed. Is that so wrong? > A very poor nation, wanting to make money from one of its national > treasures being sucked down by a world filled with people who have > enough money to smoke crack or shoot heroin? where the region it comes > from has a hard enough time just putting food on the table. > > As for the dollar going down the drain and the Euro rising, well we > can all thank Bush for that, after all its sooooo important to go > invade other countries and make more money for oil companies. In case > you haven't noticed or don't read, America is heading for a huge > recession, there are hundreds of thousands of people newly homeless > who can't afford all those mortgages Bush made available so all those > houses sit empty while people are in the street, the price of gas may > have no or little effect on people in big cities, but it's destroying > middle America where people who have to drive to work are choosing > between going to work or buying food. > > You have a very skewed view of the world. I'd suggest reading a > newspaper once in a while, instead of watching fox news if you are > unable to imagine a world that doesn't center on being over privledged > as your birthright and having enough money to sit in college > collecting degrees. > > KV > > 2008/6/30 ryan beck : >> >> I thought this list was abut the dissemination of ibo and it's >> value as tool >> to help people addicted to drugs , but it has turned into a piss >> fest of >> egos there are a few that have valuable information regarding ibo. >> Namely >> Simon(who have the utmost respect for his knowledge and >> compassion). If all >> providers were as compassionate as Simon and Sara. Ibo would become >> more >> mainstream, Howard and Sara and a handful of others. This s not >> about us it >> is abut something bigger. Ibo has the potential to save 100,000 of >> thousands >> lives; and all I see is infighting This is bigger than all of our >> petty >> egos, Why can't we manufacture it n lab in (?)Gabon, I have a M.S in >> chemistry (and several. PhD in organic chemistry who would be more >> that >> happy to join said project), all we need would be to start a lab >> with the >> appropriate funds( the formula is very straight forward and it is >> rather >> simple) One could produce 100,000s doses a year. It should not cost >> more >> than $20 a dose. What is holding the movement back? Infighting! >> Personal >> vested interest? >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 21:08:19 -0700 > From: Warren Theriot > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Re: hello list? > To: The Ibogaine List > Message-ID: <3E6C19FF-7667-4F56-8D6E-884CDA7D4B22 at ca.rr.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > Anyone notice a dropoff of list messages in the last 2 days? > Warren > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 14:44:24 +0100 > From: "Nick Sandberg" > Subject: [Ibogaine] ibogaine - tripping the habit > To: "'The Ibogaine List'" > Message-ID: <003501c8dd12$e91c3970$0b01a8c0 at amira> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Ed Owles' short film, Tripping the Habit, for Current TV is now > online at > http://current.com/items/89052170_tripping_the_habit It's got me + a > few > other brits in it. > > Nick > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 21:19:46 -0600 > From: "Janna Pijoan" > Subject: [Ibogaine] what happened > To: > Message-ID: <001d01c8dd84$d127d7d0$0201a8c0 at LAPTOP> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi, > > I had been on the Ibogaine email list for about 4 months and then, > all of a sudden, I stopped receiving anything about 3-4 days agao. > What happened? My email is janna at tcmclinic.org > > Thank you, > Janna Pijoan > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080703/a613f054/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 07:42:38 -0700 > From: "DC in AZ" > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] gettng 0ff ths -nfghtng counter-prductve list > To: "The Ibogaine List" > Message-ID: > <45BA4DFC2FED49BB9DA222880D1E568A at agi.alexandergroupinc.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-7" > > "My chosen shall not labor in vain." > Isaiah 65:23 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Donzo > "Love converts hearts, and gives peace." > __________________________________________________ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Nick Sandberg > To: 'The Ibogaine List' > Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 8:56 AM > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] gettng 0ff ths -nfghtng counter-prductve list > > > A guy who's name I've now forgotten had a way to make ibopyrines > (if I remember the name right) years back. It was going to be very > cheap. If you know about chemistry maybe you could check this out. I > think ibogaine itself is quite pricey to synthesise or extract, > that's what I've heard anyway. > > > > Nick > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com [mailto:ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com > ] On Behalf Of ryan beck > Sent: 30 June 2008 14:16 > To: The Ibogaine List > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] gettng 0ff ths -nfghtng counter-prductve list > > > > I thought this list was abut the dissemination of ibo and > it's value as tool to help people addicted to drugs , but it has > turned into a piss fest of egos there are a few that have valuable > information regarding ibo. Namely Simon(who have the utmost respect > for his knowledge and compassion). If all providers were as > compassionate as Simon and Sara. Ibo would become more mainstream, > Howard and Sara and a handful of others. This s not about us it is > abut something bigger. Ibo has the potential to save 100,000 of > thousands lives; and all I see is infighting This is bigger than all > of our petty egos, Why can?t we manufacture it n lab in (?)Gabon, I > have a M.S in chemistry (and several. PhD in organic chemistry who > would be more that happy to join said project), all we need would be > to start a lab with the appropriate funds( the formula is very > straight forward and it is rather simple) One could produce 100,000s > doses a year. It should not cost more than $20 a dose. What i > s holding the movement back? Infighting! Personal vested interest? > > > > --- On Sat, 6/28/08, Jeremy Spence wrote: > > From: Jeremy Spence > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] grams of iboga coming off methadone > To: ibogaine at mindvox.com > Date: Saturday, June 28, 2008, 6:28 PM > > Look i just wanted to know, roughly how many grams you would need, > of root bark?? Like 25grams?? or 50 grams?? I heard somebody on > the net talk about if you got 100 grams of whole root iboga(which > not that strong) and it had 1% Ibogaine in it, that would be 1 gram > of ibogaine, and if it has 2%, that would be 2 grams of ibogaine > total of course. Is that true?? I just wondered, Its not like I > going to order some today or even next month, I just wonder that > all. JS On Jun 28, 2008, at 7:11 PM, ibogaine- > request at mindvox.com wrote: > Send Ibogaine mailing list submissions > to> ibogaine at mindvox.com> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via > the World Wide Web, visit> http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' > to> ibogaine-request at mindvox.com> > You can reach the person > managing the list at> ibogaine-owner at mindvox.com> > When > replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific> than > "Re: Contents of Ibogaine digest..."> > > Today's Topics:> > 1. > Re: how many grams would you need of Iboga to come off> > methadone? (simon loxton)> 2. Re: DEA (DC in AZ)> 3. Re: remove > (Randy Faulconer)> 4. Jeremy's answer from me (Randy Faulconer)> > 5. Sophie (Randy Faulconer)> 6. Re: Ibogaine Digest, Vol 10, Issue > 313 (Jeremy Spence)> > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > > Message: 1> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 14:46:54 +0000 (GMT)> From: > simon loxton > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how > many grams would you need of Iboga to come> off methadone? > > To: The Ibogaine List > Message-ID: <703336.90303.qm at web28613.mail.ukl.yahoo.com > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"> > Just a basic example > to mention is that your heart rate can drop > which is normal to a > degree; but a doctor with no working knowledge > of ibogaine will > take action which would be inappropriate in this >> situation.> Speaking of which; the heart rate and blood pressure >> need to be > monitored throughout the experience which would be >> difficult on ones > own.> > > ----- Original Message ----> From: >> Randy Faulconer > To: The Ibogaine List > >> Sent: Saturday, 28 June, 2008 4:28:59 PM> Subject: Re: >> [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to > come off >> methadone?> > > Absolutely Si!! Agree with Simon here too. >> Doing Ibogaine > by yourself is very, very, dangerous. There needs >> to be somebody > with EXPERIENCE around when a treatment is going >> on. Lots of weird > kind of shit can occur, and an experienced >> guide will be able to > handle that without freaking out. Trust me >> on this yall.> > I feel kind of weird about giving out the >> instuctions on how > to dose it like that my man. This is on >> second thought you > understand, COOL?? I asked the same questions >> when I was first > looking into Ibo.> > Ge > t a provider dude, OK? I don't want anything bad to > happen during > a treatment for a lot of reasons.> > Peace Love and > Safety> Randy> > > On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 9:26 AM, > simon loxton > wrote:> > Oh! I get you > man; well thats an entirely different story because > there is no > set law. There are many different protocols and dosages > which is > difficult for me to put on an open forum because people who > are > desperate can think of trying short cuts; as seems to possibly > be > the case here. I guess all that has to be stressed besides the > > different options is that this is a matter best discusses with your > > potential provider. Start with a provider and then discuss what > the > best way forward would be for some one in "your" position.> > > Sorry about that. Thanks Randy!> > > > ----- Original Message ----> > From: Randy Faulconer > To: The Ibogaine > List > Sent: Saturday, 28 June > , 2008 3:12:29 PM> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you > need of Iboga to > come off methadone?> > > I'm gonna > guess here Si and say that I think that what > Jeremy wants is > specific amounts of each for a hypothetical > methadone treatment > where the person is on 80 mgs of methadone. > Maybe to see how much > it would cost for each. Like I say, I'm > guessing here. I'll try > and figure it out for you J, but give me a > little while and > please remember this is just hypothetical OK?> > I'll > probably be drummed outta the "Corps for thisHe He> > > Peace Love and Finance> Randy> > > > On Sat, Jun > 28, 2008 at 5:51 AM, simon loxton > > wrote:> > The root contains little ibogaine at all and is used > mainly as a > laxative among other things. The root bark if > prepared and matured > correctly can have up to 6% ibogaine at the > most. The batch I tested > had 5% but most are around 2% if b > ought commercially. The extract is > not really available except > through Sarah as far as I know.> With the whole root you would be > wasting your time as far as detox > from Methadone.> I hope this > helps and is what you are asking for.> > > > ----- Original Message > ----> From: Jeremy Spence > To: > ibogaine at mindvox.com> Sent: Saturday, 28 June, 2008 11:39:49 AM> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to > > come off methadone?> > Yes, I ask this, but no body ever answer > me??? I mean roughly?? On > 80mg of methadone??> > > And can > anybody out there tell me, what's the difference between the > > extract and whole root iboga, and root bark, how how of > difference?? > How big?? Like what would a 100 grams of whole > roots iboga compared > too???? Roughly??? Keep in mind, I know > there is some variation in > Ibogaine content being it's a natural > compound. I just want to know, > roughly??> > How many grams would > I need in say, each?? Lik > e how many grams > would I need in whole iboga compared how many > grams I would need in > Iboga root bark?????> > > Can anybody out > there help with this question? I ask before, but > never got a good > answer. Keep in mind this all hypothetical.> On Jun 28, 2008, at > 3:33 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote:> > > > > ________________________________> Not happy with your email address? > > Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses > > available now at Yahoo!> > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List > Commands ::::::: (]=-> (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine > :: [%][)> -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: > (]=-> > > > > ________________________________> Not happy with your > email address?> Get the one you really want - millions of new email > addresses > available now at Yahoo!> > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | > Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=-> (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine > :: [%][)> -=[) :::: Change Ac > count Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=-> > > > __________________________________________________________> Not > happy with your email address?.> Get the one you really want - > millions of new email addresses > available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html > > -------------- next part --------------> An HTML attachment was > scrubbed...> URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080628/de4ef7c0/attachment-0001.htm > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 2> Date: Sat, 28 Jun > 2008 08:14:26 -0700> From: "DC in AZ" > Subject: > Re: [Ibogaine] DEA> To: "The Ibogaine List" > > Message-ID:> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > exactly, which > is why common practice in this county (cochise, az) > is that yur > released and charges are dropped> until the state lab tests come > back, which talkes too long, which is > why the charges > are almost always dropped.> but they are refiled later depending on > lab results a couple few > weeks later. by then the person is long > gone out of state, and they > wont> press out of state extradition > (for possession anyway), since all > drugs except meth are decrim'd > by the az voters here twice.> sick of all of it though, stop the > destruction due to drug laws.> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------> > Donzo> "Love converts hearts, and gives peace."> > __________________________________________________> > ----- > Original Message -----> From: Eye of the Bhogi> To: The Ibogaine > List> Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 9:14 PM> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] > DEA> > > Reminds me of a line from the String Cheese Incident > song,"Texas:"> > You can't bust me / if you don't know what ya've > found!> > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------> > > > > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]= > -> (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%] > [)> -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=-> > -------------- next part --------------> An HTML attachment was > scrubbed...> URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080628/ec4e408c/attachment-0001.htm > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 3> Date: Sat, 28 Jun > 2008 12:07:11 -0400> From: "Randy Faulconer" > > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] remove> To: "The > Ibogaine List" > Message-ID:> <29d165a30806280907w77edbd7eh9b91efa43c9918b6 at mail.gmail.com > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > OK > dude, here's my very twisted opinion. The science of> treating > people for addiction with Ibogasine isn't an exact thing > even in > a> clinical setting. No two people react the same. When providers > treat > people> here in the US (this may change with Bwiti > learnings) they most of > the time> use Ibogaine HCL, whic > h means hydrochloride. It is as pure as it > gets for> the one > alcoloid of Ibogaine. 96 to 98 per cent pure Ibogaine. They > do > it> body weight. I think you know this so I'll try and make it > short. > Anywhere> from 12 mgs per kg to 24 mgs for the flood dose. > Most people don't > go over> 24 mgs per kg in a 24 hour period. The > point is, even with the pure > Ibo you> have to be there and see > the look on the patients face to know if he > has> enough, and then > look for withdrawals later. It takes a provider to > know> this and > everything else is just guessing. PERIOD. Then different > drugs > are> different treatments. Root bark and extracts are harder to > measure > for a> dosage. That's why Sara is such a good provider > with the extact. She > knows> what she is doing and knows what to > look for. There is no cut and > dry dose> especially with methadone > with root bark. I know you don't want to > hear this> but that's > the way it is. Shoot me if I'm wrong. And remember that >> is my> opinon and I'm twisted OK??> > Peace Love and >> Knowledge> Randy> BiscuitBoy Blues> > On >> Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 10:24 AM, DIANA MUIR > >> wrote:> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----->> *From:* Jeremy >> Spence >> *To:* ibogaine at mindvox.com>> *Sent:* >> Saturday, June 28, 2008 5:39 AM>> *Subject:* Re: [Ibogaine] how >> many grams would you need of Iboga to >> come>> offmethadone?>> >> >> Yes, I ask this, but no body ever answer me??? I mean roughly?? >> >> On 80mg>> of methadone??>> >> And can anybody out there tell me, >> what's the difference betweenthe>> extract and whole root iboga, >> and root bark, how how of >> difference?? How>> big?? Like what >> would a 100 grams of whole roots iboga compared >> too????>> >> Roughly??? Keep in mind, I know there is some variation in>> >> Ibogaine content being it's a natural compound. I just want >> toknow,>> roughly??>> >> How many grams would I need in say, >> each?? Like ho > w many grams >> would I>> need in whole iboga compared how many > grams I would need in Iboga >> root>> bark?????>> >> >> Can anybody > out there help with this question? I ask before, but >> never got>> > a good answer. Keep in mind this all hypothetical.>> On Jun 28, > 2008, at 3:33 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote:>> >> >> > ------------------------------>> >> >> -=[) ::::::: MindVox | > Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=->> (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine > :: [%][)>> -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: > [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=->> >> ------------------------------>> >> >> > No virus found in this incoming message.>> Checked by AVG.>> > Version: 8.0.101 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1522 - Release Date: >> > 6/27/2008>> 8:27 AM>> >> >> >> -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | > List Commands ::::::: (]=->> (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine > :: [%][)>> -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: > (]=->> >> > -------------- next part > --------------> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...> URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080628/eb90c56c/attachment-0001.htm > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 4> Date: Sat, 28 Jun > 2008 13:21:49 -0400> From: "Randy Faulconer" > > Subject: [Ibogaine] Jeremy's answer from > me> To: "The Ibogaine List" > Message- > ID:> > <29d165a30806281021u661d1535o269bda5e21d1644 at mail.gmail.com>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > I put an answer to > your question on the message that was asking to be> removed. I can't > remember the name but it's probably the onlyEmail > asking> to get > off of the list right now. I somehow deleted what is on my > mail, > so I> can't see what I said, but it's there.> > Peace> > > > Randy> -------------- next part --------------> An HTML attachment > was scrubbed...> URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080628/357a0500/attachment-0001.htm > > > ----- > -------------------------> > Message: 5> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 > 13:34:48 -0400> From: "Randy Faulconer" > > Subject: [Ibogaine] Sophie> To: "The Ibogaine List" >> Message-ID:> <29d165a30806281034j73730c7cucf9b5ca2afcba2e3 at mail.gmail.com > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > You asked me > when, and how much Ibo I did I think, so I'm > starting this> new > thread to asnwer your question.> > I did my first BIG treatment > in the fall of 04, the last of > September.> I was on 80 mgs of > methadone. It was rough, and the treatment itself > lasted> about 3 > days. Being that it was a methadone treatment, I did a bunch > of> > Ibogaine. Total was 34 mgs per kg, but that was spread out over 2> > days. After that I did a couple of boosters and a 6 mg tune up the > > next> year. I've had my ups and downs, mostly with alcohol, but I > stay in > the> fight, and never give up. Ask away with questions > when you want to, > and> lea > rn all you can. Have you done Ibogaine?> > Peace Love > and Freedom> Randy> Biscuitboy > Blues> -------------- next part --------------> An HTML attachment > was scrubbed...> URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080628/62d1dd8b/attachment-0001.htm > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 6> Date: Sat, 28 Jun > 2008 19:11:25 -0500> From: Jeremy Spence > > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Digest, Vol 10, Issue 313> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com > > Message-ID: <295DBBD2-22DF-4D31-96AB-489B3EAA9A28 at mac.com>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; > delsp=yes> > Look you all, I not a child, I can take care of my > self! I just ask,> that all, its not like I am going to go right out > and down a bunch of> the shit without doing a test dose at least!! I > am not that stupid!!!> > I don't have the money for a to go to some > one, its not going to> happen for me that way, Its not possible for > me tha > t way guys!!!!!> I been on disabitly for nearly 6-7 years and can't > work right now, I> just asking it I ever got better, that all!!!> > > Look guys, i do it my self anyways, I just wanted help that all, > but> since no body will help me here, i guess I just have to try it > myself,> trail and error just like i always do!!! How much would a > test dose> be??? I am in good health other wise, no heart problems, > liver> problem, or major organ problems, I just have IC that all! I > not even> going to do it un less I get completely better anyways!> > > Look if you want to protect people, you need to tell people this> > info!! So if they did get some that might know what they are > doing!!!!> I have done many types of drugs before, and I know, yes > iboga is> different, ok, I know, but would you want people to have > the info so> that they might know what to do!! instead of not > knowing shit, and> then dong the trail and error thing????> > This > board is worthless then if you will not share info> > > > On Jun 28, 2008, at 9:29 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote:> > >> Send Ibogaine mailing list submissions to>> ibogaine at mindvox.com > >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, > visit>> http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine>> or, > via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to>> ibogaine-request at mindvox.com > >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at>> ibogaine-owner at mindvox.com > >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more > specific>> than "Re: Contents of Ibogaine digest...">> >> >> Today's > Topics:>> >> 1. Re: how many grams would you need of Iboga to come > off>> methadone? (Jeremy Spence)>> 2. Re: Leo Finegold?Dana get > a life (Adam Nodelman)>> 3. Re: how many grams would you need of > Iboga to come off>> methadone? (simon loxton)>> 4. Planetary > Harmonics and Neurobiological sesonances (simon loxton)>> 5. Re: > how many grams would you need of Iboga to come off>> methadone? > (Randy Fau > lconer)>> 6. Re: Planetary Harmonics and Neurobiological > sesonances>> (Jan Ludewig)>> 7. Re: how many grams would you > need of Iboga to come off>> methadone? (simon loxton)>> 8. > remove (DIANA MUIR)>> 9. Re: how many grams would you need of Iboga > to come off>> methadone? (Randy Faulconer)>> >> >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > > >> Message: 1>> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 04:39:49 -0500>> From: > Jeremy Spence >> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many > grams would you need of Iboga to >> come>> off methadone? > >> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com>> Message-ID: >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii">> >> Yes, I ask > this, but no body ever answer me??? I mean roughly?? On>> 80mg of > methadone??>> >> >> And can anybody out there tell me, what's the > difference betweenthe>> extract and whole root iboga, and root bark, > how how of difference??>> How big?? Like what would > a 100 grams of whole roots iboga compared>> too???? Roughly??? > Keep in mind, I know there is some variation in>> Ibogaine content > being it's a natural compound. I just want toknow,>> roughly??>> >> > How many grams would I need in say, each?? Like how many grams > would>> I need in whole iboga compared how many grams I would need > in Iboga>> root bark?????>> >> >> Can anybody out there help with > this question? I ask before, but >> never>> got a good answer. > Keep in mind this all hypothetical.>> On Jun 28, 2008, at 3:33 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com > wrote:>> >>> >> -------------- next part -------------->> An HTML > attachment was scrubbed...>> URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080628/af1a041e/attachment-0001.htm > >> >> ------------------------------>> >> Message: 2>> Date: Sat, 28 > Jun 2008 02:42:00 -0700 (PDT)>> From: Adam Nodelman >>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold?Dana get a life>> To: The > Ibogaine List indvox.com>>> Message-ID: > <948719.82485.qm at web37405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>>> Content-Type: text/ > plain; charset="us-ascii">> >> That might be the whole point:The > plant helps the people towards>> self discovery, the addict treats > himself in the end.No one that I>> know ever claimed to be a guru. > Looking for one Nick? As for>> underlining issues, well...I'm sure > we all strive to reach your>> perfectly balanced higher plane but > alas, were just not all there.>> Adam>> >> >> >> >> -------------- > next part -------------->> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...>> URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080628/0160ed79/attachment-0001.htm > >> >> ------------------------------>> >> Message: 3>> Date: Sat, 28 > Jun 2008 09:51:04 +0000 (GMT)>> From: simon loxton >>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga > to >> come>> off methadone?>> To: The Ibogaine List >>> Message-ID: <976636.56653.qm at web28610. > mail.ukl.yahoo.com>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8">> >> > The root contains little ibogaine at all and is used mainly as a>> > laxative among other things. The root bark if prepared and matured>> > correctly can have up to 6% ibogaine at the most. The batch I > tested>> had 5% but most are around 2% if bought commercially. The > extract is>> not really available except through Sarah as far as I > know.>> With the whole root you would be wasting your time as far as > detox>> from Methadone.>> I hope this helps and is what you are > asking for.>> >> >> ----- Original Message ---->> From: Jeremy > Spence >> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com>> Sent: > Saturday, 28 June, 2008 11:39:49 AM>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how > many grams would you need of Iboga to>> come off methadone?>> >> > Yes, I ask this, but no body ever answer me??? I mean roughly?? > On>> 80mg of methadone??>> >> >> And can anybody out there tell me, > what's the difference betweenthe>> extract and whole root iboga, a > nd root bark, how how of difference??>> How big?? Like what would a > 100 grams of whole roots iboga compared>> too???? Roughly??? Keep > in mind, I know there is some variation in>> Ibogaine content being > it's a natural compound. I just want toknow,>> roughly??>> >> How > many grams would I need in say, each?? Like how many grams>> would > I need in whole iboga compared how many grams I would need in>> > Iboga root bark?????>> >> >> Can anybody out there help with this > question? I ask before, but>> never got a good answer. Keep in mind > this all hypothetical.>> On Jun 28, 2008, at 3:33 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com > wrote:>> >> >> > __________________________________________________________>> Not > happy with your email address?.>> Get the one you really want - > millions of new email addresses>> available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html > >> -------------- next part -------------->> An HTML attachment was > scrubbed...>> URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/iboga > ine/attachments/20080628/1c9d00e4/attachment-0001.htm>> >> > ------------------------------>> >> Message: 4>> Date: Sat, 28 Jun > 2008 13:06:12 +0000 (GMT)>> From: simon loxton >>> Subject: [Ibogaine] Planetary Harmonics and Neurobiological >> > sesonances>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com>> Message-ID: <593912.29605.qm at web28606.mail.ukl.yahoo.com > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8">> >> http://www.lunarplanner.com/Harmonics/planetary-harmonics.html > >> >> I found some interesting tables for people who work with sound > or>> light in any way.>> >> >> >> > __________________________________________________________>> Not > happy with your email address?.>> Get the one you really want - > millions of new email addresses>> available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html > >> -------------- next part -------------->> An HTML attachment was > scrubbed...>> URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080628/9fda5400/attachment-0001.htm > >> >> > ------------------------------>> >> Message: 5>> Date: Sat, 28 Jun > 2008 09:12:29 -0400>> From: "Randy Faulconer" > >> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams > would you need of Iboga to >> come>> off methadone?>> To: > "The Ibogaine List" >> Message-ID:>> <29d165a30806280612u399dda1h4fc9ad7676521156 at mail.gmail.com > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1">> >> > I'm gonna guess here Si and say that I think thatwhat>> Jeremy>> > wants is specific amounts of each for a hypothetical methadone>> > treatment>> where the person is on 80 mgs of methadone. Maybe to see > how much it>> would>> cost for each. Like I say, I'm guessing here. > I'll try andfigure it>> out for>> you J, but give me a little while > and please remember this is just>> hypothetical OK?>> > >> I'll probably be drummed outta the "Corps forthis He > He>> >> Peace Love and Finance>> > Randy>> >> >> On Sat, Jun > 28, 2008 at 5:51 AM, simon loxton>> >> > wrote:>> >>> The root contains little ibogaine at all and is used > mainly as a>>> laxative>>> among other things. The root bark if > prepared and maturedcorrectly>>> can have>>> up to 6% ibogaine at > the most. The batch I tested had 5% but most>>> are around>>> 2% if > bought commercially. The extract is not really available >>> > except>>> through Sarah as far as I know.>>> With the whole root you > would be wasting your time as far as detox>>> from>>> Methadone.>>> > I hope this helps and is what you are asking for.>>> >>> >>> ----- > Original Message ---->>> From: Jeremy Spence >>> > To: ibogaine at mindvox.com>>> Sent: Saturday, 28 June, 2008 11:39:49 > AM>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga > to>>> come off>>> methadone?>>> >>> Yes, I ask this, but no body > ever answer me??? I mean roughly??>>> On 80mg>>> of methadone??>>> > >>> And can anybody out there tell me, what's the differenc > ebetween the>>> extract and whole root iboga, and root bark, how how > of>>> difference?? How>>> big?? Like what would a 100 grams of > whole roots iboga compared>>> too????>>> Roughly??? Keep in mind, I > know there is some variation in>>> Ibogaine content being it's a > natural compound. I just want toknow,>>> roughly??>>> >>> How many > grams would I need in say, each?? Like how many grams>>> would I>>> > need in whole iboga compared how many grams I would need in Iboga>>> > root>>> bark?????>>> >>> >>> Can anybody out there help with this > question? I ask before, but>>> never got>>> a good answer. Keep in > mind this all hypothetical.>>> On Jun 28, 2008, at 3:33 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com > wrote:>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------>>> Not happy > with your email address?>>> Get the one you really want >>> new.html> ->>> millions of new email addresses available now > atYahoo!>>> >>> >>> >>> - > =[) ::::: > :: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=->>> (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine > :: [%][)>>> -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: > [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=->>> >>> >> -------------- next part > -------------->> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...>> URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080628/451e1c44/attachment-0001.htm > >> >> ------------------------------>> >> Message: 6>> Date: Sat, 28 > Jun 2008 14:20:12 +0100>> From: Jan Ludewig >> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Planetary Harmonics and > Neurobiological>> sesonances>> To: The Ibogaine List >>> Cc: cousto at eve-rave.net>> Message-ID: <48663A8C.30905 at drug-policy.eu > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed>> >> > simon loxton wrote:>>> http://www.lunarplanner.com/Harmonics/planetary-harmonics.html > >>> >>> I found some interesting tables for people who work with > sound or>>> light in any way.>> Hans Cousto (Eve & Rave) did some > research > on that:>> http://www.planetware.de/octave/>> I assume/am sure he > is open to questions: *cousto at eve-rave.net>> >> jl>> *>> >> >> > ------------------------------>> >> Message: 7>> Date: Sat, 28 Jun > 2008 13:26:58 +0000 (GMT)>> From: simon loxton >>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga > to >> come>> off methadone?>> To: The Ibogaine List >>> Message-ID: <481818.49802.qm at web28607.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8">> >> Oh! I get you man; > well thats an entirely different story because>> there is no set > law. There are many different protocols and dosages>> which is > difficult for me to put on an open forum because people who>> are > desperate can think of trying short cuts; as seems to possibly>> be > the case here. I guess all that has to be stressed besides the>> > different options is that this is a matter best discusses with > your>> potential provider. Start with a provider an > d then discuss what the>> best way forward would be for some one in > "your" position.>> >> Sorry about that. Thanks Randy!>> >> >> ----- > Original Message ---->> From: Randy Faulconer > >> To: The Ibogaine List > >> Sent: Saturday, 28 June, 2008 3:12:29 PM>> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to>> > come off methadone?>> >> >> I'm gonna guess here Si and > say that I think thatwhat>> Jeremy wants is specific amounts of each > for a hypothetical>> methadone treatment where the person is on 80 > mgs of methadone.>> Maybe to see how much it would cost for each. > Like I say, I'm>> guessing here. I'll try and figure it out for you > J, but give me a>> little while and please remember this is just > hypothetical OK?>> >> I'll probably be drummed outta > the "Corps forthis He He>> >> Peace Love and > Finance>> Randy>> >> >> >> On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at > 5:51 AM, simon loxton>> > wrote:>> >> The root contains little > ibogaine at all and is used mainly as a>> laxative among other > things. The root bark if prepared and matured>> correctly can have > up to 6% ibogaine at the most. The batch I tested>> had 5% but most > are around 2% if bought commercially. The extract is>> not really > available except through Sarah as far as I know.>> With the whole > root you would be wasting your time as far as detox>> from > Methadone.>> I hope this helps and is what you are asking for.>> >> > >> >> ----- Original Message ---->> From: Jeremy Spence >>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com>> Sent: Saturday, 28 June, 2008 > 11:39:49 AM>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need > of Iboga to>> come off methadone?>> >> Yes, I ask this, but no body > ever answer me??? I mean roughly?? On>> 80mg of methadone??>> >> > >> And can anybody out there tell me, what's the difference > betweenthe>> extract and whole root iboga, and root bark, how how of > dif > ference??>> How big?? Like what would a 100 grams of whole roots > iboga compared>> too???? Roughly??? Keep in mind, I know there is > some variation in>> Ibogaine content being it's a natural compound. > I just want toknow,>> roughly??>> >> How many grams would I need in > say, each?? Like how many grams>> would I need in whole iboga > compared how many grams I would need in>> Iboga root bark?????>> >> > >> Can anybody out there help with this question? I ask before, > but>> never got a good answer. Keep in mind this all > hypothetical.>> On Jun 28, 2008, at 3:33 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com > wrote:>> >> >> >> ________________________________>> Not happy with > your email address?>> Get the one you really want - millions of new > email addresses>> available now at Yahoo!>> >> -=[) ::::::: MindVox > | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=->> (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine > :: [%][)>> -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: > (]=->> >> >> ___________ > _______________________________________________>> Not happy with > your email address?.>> Get the one you really want - millions of new > email addresses>> available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html > >> -------------- next part -------------->> An HTML attachment was > scrubbed...>> URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080628/af972739/attachment-0001.htm > >> >> ------------------------------>> >> Message: 8>> Date: Sat, 28 > Jun 2008 10:24:51 -0400>> From: "DIANA MUIR" > >> Subject: [Ibogaine] remove>> To: "The > Ibogaine List" >> Message-ID: <001a01c8d92a > $ba6e3e20$4101a8c0 at Pyro>>> Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1">> >> >> ----- Original Message ----->> From: > Jeremy Spence>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com>> Sent: Saturday, June 28, > 2008 5:39 AM>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need > of Iboga to>> come offmethadone?>> >> >> Yes, I ask this, but no > body ever answer me??? I mean ro > ughly??>> On 80mg of methadone??>> >> >> >> >> And can anybody out > there tell me, what's the difference between>> the extract and whole > root iboga, and root bark, how how of>> difference?? How big?? Like > what would a 100 grams of whole roots>> iboga compared too???? > Roughly??? Keep in mind, I know there is>> some variation in > Ibogaine content being it's a natural compound.I>> just want to > know, roughly??>> >> >> How many grams would I need in say, each?? > Like how many grams>> would I need in whole iboga compared how many > grams I would need in>> Iboga root bark?????>> >> >> >> >> Can > anybody out there help with this question? I ask before, but>> never > got a good answer. Keep in mind this all hypothetical.>> On Jun 28, > 2008, at 3:33 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote:>> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------> > > >> >> >> -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: > (]=->> (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/ > mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][)>> -=[) :::: Change Account > Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=->> >> >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------> > > >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message.>> Checked by > AVG.>> Version: 8.0.101 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1522 - Release > Date:>> 6/27/2008 8:27 AM>> -------------- next part -------------- > >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...>> URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080628/881caa42/attachment-0001.htm > >> >> ------------------------------>> >> Message: 9>> Date: Sat, 28 > Jun 2008 10:28:59 -0400>> From: "Randy Faulconer" >>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga > to >> come>> off methadone?>> To: "The Ibogaine List" >>> Message-ID:>> <29d165a30806280728j6c7b4549ld4dd70fc6844cd54 at mail.gmail.com > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1">> >> > Absolutely Si!! Agree wit > h Simon here too. Doing Ibogaine by>> yourself is very, very, > dangerous. There needs to be somebody with>> EXPERIENCE around when > a treatment is going on. Lots of weird kind>> of shit>> can occur, > and an experienced guide will be able to handle that>> without>> > freaking out. Trust me on this yall.>> >> I feel kind of weird > about giving out the instuctions on how>> to dose>> it like that my > man. This is on second thought you understand,>> COOL?? I>> asked > the same questions when I was first looking into Ibo.>> >> > Get a provider dude, OK? I don't want anything bad tohappen>> during > a treatment for a lot of reasons.>> >> Peace Love and > Safety>> Randy>> >> On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 9:26 AM, > simon loxton>> >> wrote:>> >>> Oh! I get > you man; well thats an entirely different story because>>> there>>> > is no set law. There are many different protocols and > dosageswhich>>> is>>> difficult for me to put on an open forum because > people who are>>> desperate>>> can think of trying short cuts; as > seems to possibly be the case>>> here. I>>> guess all that has to be > stressed besides the different options is>>> that this>>> is a > matter best discusses with your potential provider. Start >>> with > a>>> provider and then discuss what the best way forward would be > for>>> some one in>>> "your" position.>>> >>> Sorry about that. > Thanks Randy!>>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ---->>> From: Randy > Faulconer >>> To: The Ibogaine List >>>> Sent: Saturday, 28 June, 2008 3:12:29 PM>>> Subject: Re: > [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Iboga to>>> come off>>> > methadone?>>> >>> I'm gonna guess here Si and say that > I think thatwhat>>> Jeremy wants is specific amounts of each for a > hypothetical >>> methadone>>> treatment where the person is on 80 > mgs of methadone. Maybe to see>>> how much>>> it would cost for > each. Like I say, I'm guessing here.I'll try and >>>> figure>>> it out for you J, but give me a little while and please >>>> remember>>> this is>>> just hypothetical OK?>>> >>> >>>> I'll probably be drummed outta the "Corpsfor this He>>> He>>> >>>> >>> Peace Love and Finance>>> >>>> Randy>>> >>> >>> On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 5:51 AM, simon loxton>>> >>>> >>> wrote:>>> >>>> The root contains little ibogaine at all >>>> and is used mainly asa>>>> laxative among other things. The root >>>> bark if prepared andmatured>>>> correctly>>>> can have up to 6% >>>> ibogaine at the most. The batch I tested had5%>>>> but most>>>> >>>> are around 2% if bought commercially. The extract is >>>> notreally>>>> available>>>> except through Sarah as far as I >>>> know.>>>> With the whole root you would be wasting your time as >>>> far asdetox>>>> from>>>> Methadone.>>>> I hope this helps and is >>>> what you are asking for.>>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>> >>>> From: Jeremy Spence >>>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com >>>> >>>> > Sent: Saturday, 28 June, 2008 11:39:49 AM>>>> Subject: Re: > [Ibogaine] how many grams would you need of Ibogato>>>> come off>>>> > methadone?>>>> >>>> Yes, I ask this, but no body ever answer me??? > I meanroughly??>>>> On 80mg>>>> of methadone??>>>> >>>> And can > anybody out there tell me, what's the differencebetween >>>> > the>>>> extract and whole root iboga, and root bark, how how of>>>> > difference?? How>>>> big?? Like what would a 100 grams of whole > roots ibogacompared>>>> too????>>>> Roughly??? Keep in mind, I know > there is some variation in>>>> Ibogaine content being it's a natural > compound. I justwant to >>>> know,>>>> roughly??>>>> >>>> How many > grams would I need in say, each?? Like how manygrams>>>> would > I>>>> need in whole iboga compared how many grams I would need > inIboga>>>> root>>>> bark?????>>>> >>>> >>>> Can anybody out there > help with this question? I ask before,but>>>> never got>>>> a good > answer. Keep in mind this all hypothetical.>>>> On Jun 28, 2008, a > t 3:33 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.comwrote:>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > ------------------------------>>>> Not happy with your email address? > >>>> Get the one you really want>>> > new.html> ->>>> millions of new email addresses available now > atYahoo!>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=->>>> (] > [%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][)>>>> - > =[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=->>>> >>>> > >>> >>> ------------------------------>>> Not happy with your email > address?>>> Get the one you really want >>> new.html> ->>> millions of new email addresses available now > atYahoo!>>> >>> >>> >>> - > =[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=->>> (] > [%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][)>>> - > =[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe > :::: (]=->>> >>> >> -------------- next part -------------->> An > HTML attachment was scrubbed...>> URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080628/5516d326/attachment.htm > >> >> ------------------------------>> >> >> -=[) :::::::: MindVox | > Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=->> (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine > :: [%][)>> -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: > [Un]Subscribe ::::: (]=->> >> >> End of Ibogaine Digest, Vol 10, > Issue 313>> *****************************************> > > > > ------------------------------> > > -=[) :::::::: MindVox | > Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=-> (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine > :: [%][)> -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: > [Un]Subscribe ::::: (]=-> > > End of Ibogaine Digest, Vol 10, Issue > 314> ***************************************** -=[) ::::::: > MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=-(][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine > :: [%][) -=[) :::: Ch > ange Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- > (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) > -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080705/fd895a27/attachment.htm > > ------------------------------ > > > -=[) :::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- > (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) > -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe ::::: (]=- > > > End of Ibogaine Digest, Vol 11, Issue 1 > *************************************** From bicuitboy714 at gmail.com Sat Jul 5 18:00:13 2008 From: bicuitboy714 at gmail.com (Randy Faulconer) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 18:00:13 -0400 Subject: [Ibogaine] MK 801?? In-Reply-To: <29d165a30807011015w2185221alc697f527100510e4@mail.gmail.com> References: <29d165a30807011015w2185221alc697f527100510e4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <29d165a30807051500h66c66ff3p72d8c25712c18ff3@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 1:15 PM, Randy Faulconer wrote: > Hey yall's, I was looking around at the NIDA home page, looking > for what they may have said about Ibogaine lately. I didn't find anything > new, but I stumbled on to a report on MK 801. The drug name is Dizocilpine. > Has anybody had any experience with this? It is claimed to be a strong > hallucinitory substance, although it has some bad side effects. Real bad > amnesia for one. It has very strong auditory hallucinations and lasts a long > time. It is measured in Micro-grams so it is very potent and has the risk of > OD along with it. It's actions are in the NMDA antagonist group of drugs. > > I'm just curious about it>>??<< > > Peace Love and Ear Trips > Randy > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080705/37431549/attachment.htm From pdr at echonyc.com Sat Jul 5 02:49:27 2008 From: pdr at echonyc.com (Paul DeRienzo) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 02:49:27 -0400 Subject: [Ibogaine] Dana on Let Them Talk In-Reply-To: <4E85FE31-3A40-4BF9-BE13-3FEE4D338DF4@phantom.com> References: <629028.28290.qm@web54304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4E85FE31-3A40-4BF9-BE13-3FEE4D338DF4@phantom.com> Message-ID: Dana Beal discusses his recent legal troubles and speaks about an Ibogaine clinic in Agua Prieta, Mexico. http://blip.tv/file/1049634 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080705/ed88d9ed/attachment.htm From corbin0281 at gmail.com Thu Jul 3 02:12:10 2008 From: corbin0281 at gmail.com (Patrick Corbin) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 01:12:10 -0500 Subject: [Ibogaine] stop the fightinf and do somethin productive In-Reply-To: <629028.28290.qm@web54304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <4867CF6A.3080803@gmail.com> <629028.28290.qm@web54304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2295c4ad0807022312i3bd7ac3cxe8a78fd15079c7c5@mail.gmail.com> Ryan...I will send you as much money as you need to get started... But i need a provider in the U.S! Heroin is destroying my life!!! I know ibo will work for me...But no body on this list will tell me anything about it!! I am on parole so i can't leave the country...but money is not an issue for me.. I have more money than I can spend and I am extreamly interested in n ibo...I know it can save my life...I have had dreams about the bwiti telling me so and giving me the plant......before i even knew what it was!!! I researched it and found out about ibo...I know these dreams are a sign from some higher power....I know heroin is going to kill me or send me to prison for the rest of my life... And i have tried everything! Suboxone, methadone, rapid detox w/ naltroxone!! I know ibo is the answer but i dont have the means!! I have aquired several grams of root bark...but know body on here will tell me what to do with it! is there anyone in the U.S. that can help me??? Like i said...Money is not an issue! I need help! Thanks Patrick 2008/6/30 ryan beck : > > I thought this list was abut the dissemination of ibo and it's value as > tool to help people addicted to drugs , but it has turned into a piss fest > of egos there are a few that have valuable information regarding ibo. Namely > Simon(who have the utmost respect for his knowledge and compassion). If all > providers were as compassionate as Simon and Sara. Ibo would become more > mainstream, Howard and Sara and a handful of others. This s not about us it > is abut something bigger. Ibo has the potential to save 100,000 of thousands > lives; and all I see is infighting This is bigger than all of our petty > egos, Why can't we manufacture it n lab in (?)Gabon, I have a M.S in > chemistry (and several. PhD in organic chemistry who would be more that > happy to join said project), all we need would be to start a lab with the > appropriate funds( the formula is very straight forward and it is rather > simple) One could produce 100,000s doses a year. It should not cost more > than $20 a dose. What is holding the movement back? Infighting! Personal > vested interest? > > > > > --- On *Sun, 6/29/08, Matt Shriver * wrote: > > From: Matt Shriver > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Simon Get a life!! > To: "The Ibogaine List" > Date: Sunday, June 29, 2008, 12:07 PM > > So what's all this about then and who are you again Paul? My only > knowledge of you is through some rather hard to decipher posts, most > recently advocating a rather dubious low dose, long term, ibogaine treatment > for opiate addiction. Simon on the other hand has been around for a while > and while he is certainly no more the authority on all things ibogaine than > anyone else here, he speaks from experience and geniuine concern for > addicts. Where exactly are you coming from? "We are laughing' seriously > laughing" and "Silly little child that you are'" is contributing how > exactly? And since I am asking you all these questions, who is "we"? Your > posts are full of "we this" and "we that" and I can't tell if you > legitimately are representing the views of additional people or just don't > grasp what the word "we" means. I don't say this to be so much > confrontational as your post seems clearly intent on being, but to support > Simon who I respect. > > Matt > > Paul Brookshaw wrote: > > Simon' > > Is a very manipulative so called spirtual healer' with no psychic tools to > fight with' > Because he has no psychic tools to fight with' his jeliously and > twistedness of other folks has reduced him to writting poison pen letters' > Is this is a mark of a seriously good healer' one that knows himself > intimately' > > Obviously doubtful' > > Seriously low, Si! like a little child that has never got their own way' > > Oh my is that the best you can do bro! > > Ha ha ha > > We are untouchable by you ' becaue you have no tools' > > If you wish warefare' Tata says bring it on' > It shall never be pretty' War never is!! > > Be warned as you so warned us on tribes' that we would be sorry' is this > your answer Si! > > > > Grow up little Nzegho' > > Learn of who you are an stop bitching at other folks so as to feel good in > yourself' that you can never know of what we know' > > Cry baby Simon!! > > > To note folks' we shall always send you clients and share openly of our > findings' so as to futher the road of Iboga' > > We shall never have to stoop like Simon has' because we know of who we are' > > Know thyself Simon' > > GET A LIFE > > To the list' be very careful of this little man' he lives in a veil of > jeliousies' of which twist him up' and he knows no way of releasing the said > energies' > > Sad really' > > > And now' > > Big grins behind dark sunglasses' > > We are laughing' seriously laughing Ha ha ha > hahahahahahaahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahaha > > Learn some stuff about who you are Si! > > Leave folks alone to their own devises' > > Silly little child that you are' > > Oh my > > The stupidity of jeliously' > > you must be really hurting Simon' > > Oh my' > > he he he > > > Pa' Omoju Gede Nganga > > Pa' Motumba' > > Bliss and blessings to the list this fine day :) > > > > > Campeche Simon' > Santo Simon' > > ------------------------------ > Get 5GB of online storage for free! 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URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080704/c0207486/attachment.htm From simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk Sat Jul 5 18:32:22 2008 From: simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk (simon loxton) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 22:32:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Ibogaine] stop the fightinf and do somethin productive Message-ID: <368863.98998.qm@web28610.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> I can hook you up with a some options as to treatment in the states if you contact me off list. ----- Original Message ---- From: Patrick Corbin To: The Ibogaine List Sent: Thursday, 3 July, 2008 8:12:10 AM Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] stop the fightinf and do somethin productive Ryan...I will send you as much money as you need to get started... But i need a provider in the U.S! Heroin is destroying my life!!! I know ibo will work for me...But no body on this list will tell me anything about it!! I am on parole so i can't leave the country...but money is not an issue for me.. I have more money than I can spend and I am extreamly interested in n ibo...I know it can save my life...I have had dreams about the bwiti telling me so and giving me the plant......before i even knew what it was!!! I researched it and found out about ibo...I know these dreams are a sign from some higher power....I know heroin is going to kill me or send me to prison for the rest of my life... And i have tried everything! Suboxone, methadone, rapid detox w/ naltroxone!! I know ibo is the answer but i dont have the means!! I have aquired several grams of root bark...but know body on here will tell me what to do with it! is there anyone in the U.S. that can help me??? Like i said...Money is not an issue! I need help! Thanks Patrick 2008/6/30 ryan beck : I thought this list was abut the dissemination of ibo and it's value as tool to help people addicted to drugs , but it has turned into a piss fest of egos there are a few that have valuable information regarding ibo. Namely Simon(who have the utmost respect for his knowledge and compassion). If all providers were as compassionate as Simon and Sara. Ibo would become more mainstream, Howard and Sara and a handful of others. This s not about us it is abut something bigger. Ibo has the potential to save 100,000 of thousands lives; and all I see is infighting This is bigger than all of our petty egos, Why can't we manufacture it n lab in (?)Gabon, I have a M.S in chemistry (and several. PhD in organic chemistry who would be more that happy to join said project), all we need would be to start a lab with the appropriate funds( the formula is very straight forward and it is rather simple) One could produce 100,000s doses a year. It should not cost more than $20 a dose. What is holding the movement back? Infighting! Personal vested interest? --- On Sun, 6/29/08, Matt Shriver wrote: From: Matt Shriver Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Simon Get a life!! To: "The Ibogaine List" Date: Sunday, June 29, 2008, 12:07 PM So what's all this about then and who are you again Paul? My only knowledge of you is through some rather hard to decipher posts, most recently advocating a rather dubious low dose, long term, ibogaine treatment for opiate addiction. Simon on the other hand has been around for a while and while he is certainly no more the authority on all things ibogaine than anyone else here, he speaks from experience and geniuine concern for addicts. Where exactly are you coming from? "We are laughing' seriously laughing" and "Silly little child that you are'" is contributing how exactly? And since I am asking you all these questions, who is "we"? Your posts are full of "we this" and "we that" and I can't tell if you legitimately are representing the views of additional people or just don't grasp what the word "we" means. I don't say this to be so much confrontational as your post seems clearly intent on being, but to support Simon who I respect. Matt Paul Brookshaw wrote: Simon' Is a very manipulative so called spirtual healer' with no psychic tools to fight with' Because he has no psychic tools to fight with' his jeliously and twistedness of other folks has reduced him to writting poison pen letters' Is this is a mark of a seriously good healer' one that knows himself intimately' Obviously doubtful' Seriously low, Si! like a little child that has never got their own way' Oh my is that the best you can do bro! Ha ha ha We are untouchable by you ' becaue you have no tools' If you wish warefare' Tata says bring it on' It shall never be pretty' War never is!! Be warned as you so warned us on tribes' that we would be sorry' is this your answer Si! Grow up little Nzegho' Learn of who you are an stop bitching at other folks so as to feel good in yourself' that you can never know of what we know' Cry baby Simon!! To note folks' we shall always send you clients and share openly of our findings' so as to futher the road of Iboga' We shall never have to stoop like Simon has' because we know of who we are' Know thyself Simon' GET A LIFE To the list' be very careful of this little man' he lives in a veil of jeliousies' of which twist him up' and he knows no way of releasing the said energies' Sad really' And now' Big grins behind dark sunglasses' We are laughing' seriously laughing Ha ha ha hahahahahahaahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahaha Learn some stuff about who you are Si! Leave folks alone to their own devises' Silly little child that you are' Oh my The stupidity of jeliously' you must be really hurting Simon' Oh my' he he he Pa' Omoju Gede Nganga Pa' Motumba' Bliss and blessings to the list this fine day :) Campeche Simon' Santo Simon' ________________________________ Get 5GB of online storage for free! 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URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080705/734f099d/attachment.htm From simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk Sat Jul 5 18:40:53 2008 From: simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk (simon loxton) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 22:40:53 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Ibogaine] stop the fightinf and do somethin productive Message-ID: <620012.41570.qm@web28604.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> As I said contact me and I can possibly point you in the right direction. I just want to bring to your attention that there is a screening process which includes an ECG test. Regarding commercial root bark you have no idea of the alkaloid content. The protocol also differs greatly to the hydrochloride salt and really needs some one experienced to see you through the process; because once the medication kicks in its difficult to keep on administering iboga to your self at the right time and at the right dose. In short its a bit more complicated for addiction interruption; I prefer to use it for its benefits at low doses. Anyhow there are options and I can let you know; but take the advice of the people on the list; this is not meant to be taken alone no matter how much experience you have had with other entheogens. Take care Simon ----- Original Message ---- From: Patrick Corbin To: The Ibogaine List Sent: Thursday, 3 July, 2008 8:12:10 AM Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] stop the fightinf and do somethin productive Ryan...I will send you as much money as you need to get started... But i need a provider in the U.S! Heroin is destroying my life!!! I know ibo will work for me...But no body on this list will tell me anything about it!! I am on parole so i can't leave the country...but money is not an issue for me.. I have more money than I can spend and I am extreamly interested in n ibo...I know it can save my life...I have had dreams about the bwiti telling me so and giving me the plant......before i even knew what it was!!! I researched it and found out about ibo...I know these dreams are a sign from some higher power....I know heroin is going to kill me or send me to prison for the rest of my life... And i have tried everything! Suboxone, methadone, rapid detox w/ naltroxone!! I know ibo is the answer but i dont have the means!! I have aquired several grams of root bark...but know body on here will tell me what to do with it! is there anyone in the U.S. that can help me??? Like i said...Money is not an issue! I need help! Thanks Patrick 2008/6/30 ryan beck : I thought this list was abut the dissemination of ibo and it's value as tool to help people addicted to drugs , but it has turned into a piss fest of egos there are a few that have valuable information regarding ibo. Namely Simon(who have the utmost respect for his knowledge and compassion). If all providers were as compassionate as Simon and Sara. Ibo would become more mainstream, Howard and Sara and a handful of others. This s not about us it is abut something bigger. Ibo has the potential to save 100,000 of thousands lives; and all I see is infighting This is bigger than all of our petty egos, Why can't we manufacture it n lab in (?)Gabon, I have a M.S in chemistry (and several. PhD in organic chemistry who would be more that happy to join said project), all we need would be to start a lab with the appropriate funds( the formula is very straight forward and it is rather simple) One could produce 100,000s doses a year. It should not cost more than $20 a dose. What is holding the movement back? Infighting! Personal vested interest? --- On Sun, 6/29/08, Matt Shriver wrote: From: Matt Shriver Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Simon Get a life!! To: "The Ibogaine List" Date: Sunday, June 29, 2008, 12:07 PM So what's all this about then and who are you again Paul? My only knowledge of you is through some rather hard to decipher posts, most recently advocating a rather dubious low dose, long term, ibogaine treatment for opiate addiction. Simon on the other hand has been around for a while and while he is certainly no more the authority on all things ibogaine than anyone else here, he speaks from experience and geniuine concern for addicts. Where exactly are you coming from? "We are laughing' seriously laughing" and "Silly little child that you are'" is contributing how exactly? And since I am asking you all these questions, who is "we"? Your posts are full of "we this" and "we that" and I can't tell if you legitimately are representing the views of additional people or just don't grasp what the word "we" means. I don't say this to be so much confrontational as your post seems clearly intent on being, but to support Simon who I respect. Matt Paul Brookshaw wrote: Simon' Is a very manipulative so called spirtual healer' with no psychic tools to fight with' Because he has no psychic tools to fight with' his jeliously and twistedness of other folks has reduced him to writting poison pen letters' Is this is a mark of a seriously good healer' one that knows himself intimately' Obviously doubtful' Seriously low, Si! like a little child that has never got their own way' Oh my is that the best you can do bro! Ha ha ha We are untouchable by you ' becaue you have no tools' If you wish warefare' Tata says bring it on' It shall never be pretty' War never is!! Be warned as you so warned us on tribes' that we would be sorry' is this your answer Si! Grow up little Nzegho' Learn of who you are an stop bitching at other folks so as to feel good in yourself' that you can never know of what we know' Cry baby Simon!! To note folks' we shall always send you clients and share openly of our findings' so as to futher the road of Iboga' We shall never have to stoop like Simon has' because we know of who we are' Know thyself Simon' GET A LIFE To the list' be very careful of this little man' he lives in a veil of jeliousies' of which twist him up' and he knows no way of releasing the said energies' Sad really' And now' Big grins behind dark sunglasses' We are laughing' seriously laughing Ha ha ha hahahahahahaahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahaha Learn some stuff about who you are Si! Leave folks alone to their own devises' Silly little child that you are' Oh my The stupidity of jeliously' you must be really hurting Simon' Oh my' he he he Pa' Omoju Gede Nganga Pa' Motumba' Bliss and blessings to the list this fine day :) Campeche Simon' Santo Simon' ________________________________ Get 5GB of online storage for free! 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URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080705/65312eb1/attachment-0001.htm From corbin0281 at gmail.com Thu Jul 3 02:14:18 2008 From: corbin0281 at gmail.com (Patrick Corbin) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 01:14:18 -0500 Subject: [Ibogaine] HELP!!! Message-ID: <2295c4ad0807022314s41caec23ic33de268f5b084de@mail.gmail.com> I will send you as much money as you need to get started... But i need a provider in the U.S! Heroin is destroying my life!!! I know ibo will work for me...But no body on this list will tell me anything about it!! I am on parole so i can't leave the country...but money is not an issue for me.. I have more money than I can spend and I am extreamly interested in n ibo...I know it can save my life...I have had dreams about the bwiti telling me so and giving me the plant......before i even knew what it was!!! I researched it and found out about ibo...I know these dreams are a sign from some higher power....I know heroin is going to kill me or send me to prison for the rest of my life... And i have tried everything! Suboxone, methadone, rapid detox w/ naltroxone!! I know ibo is the answer but i dont have the means!! I have aquired several grams of root bark...but know body on here will tell me what to do with it! is there anyone in the U.S. that can help me??? Like i said...Money is not an issue! I need help! Thanks Patrick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080703/ea791a48/attachment.htm From dana at phantom.com Sat Jul 5 19:32:31 2008 From: dana at phantom.com (Dana Beal) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 19:32:31 -0400 Subject: [Ibogaine] ibogaine - tripping the habit In-Reply-To: <003501c8dd12$e91c3970$0b01a8c0@amira> References: <4867CF6A.3080803@gmail.com><629028.28290.qm@web54304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <848277f90806301848y4e712f36m774a497472b2a252@mail.gmail.com> <003501c8dd12$e91c3970$0b01a8c0@amira> Message-ID: Can you get this in a format I can watch? The image isn't coming up. Can I put it in Qucktime or some other program? Dana/cwn On Jul 3, 2008, at 9:44 AM, Nick Sandberg wrote: > Ed Owles' short film, Tripping the Habit, for Current TV is now > online at > http://current.com/items/89052170_tripping_the_habit It's got me + > a few > other brits in it. > > Nick > > > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- > (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) > -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- From ibogamail at gmail.com Thu Jul 3 19:23:58 2008 From: ibogamail at gmail.com (Matt Shriver) Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 17:23:58 -0600 Subject: [Ibogaine] is this thing on? Message-ID: <486D5F8E.20503@gmail.com> From dana at phantom.com Sat Jul 5 19:41:11 2008 From: dana at phantom.com (Dana Beal) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 19:41:11 -0400 Subject: [Ibogaine] stop the fightinf and do somethin productive In-Reply-To: <2295c4ad0807022312i3bd7ac3cxe8a78fd15079c7c5@mail.gmail.com> References: <4867CF6A.3080803@gmail.com> <629028.28290.qm@web54304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <2295c4ad0807022312i3bd7ac3cxe8a78fd15079c7c5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: You're in the U.S., right? And you can't get into Canada or Mexico? Where are you? Dana/cnw On Jul 3, 2008, at 2:12 AM, Patrick Corbin wrote: > Ryan...I will send you as much money as you need to get started... > But i need a provider in the U.S! Heroin is destroying my life!!! I > know ibo will work for me...But no body on this list will tell me > anything about it!! I am on parole so i can't leave the > country...but money is not an issue for me.. I have more money than > I can spend and I am extreamly interested in n ibo...I know it can > save my life...I have had dreams about the bwiti telling me so and > giving me the plant......before i even knew what it was!!! I > researched it and found out about ibo...I know these dreams are a > sign from some higher power....I know heroin is going to kill me or > send me to prison for the rest of my life... And i have tried > everything! Suboxone, methadone, rapid detox w/ naltroxone!! I know > ibo is the answer but i dont have the means!! I have aquired > several grams of root bark...but know body on here will tell me > what to do with it! is there anyone in the U.S. that can help me??? > Like i said...Money is not an issue! I need help! > Thanks > Patrick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080705/9e67f19e/attachment.htm From ted at masonenterprises.com Sat Jul 5 20:10:28 2008 From: ted at masonenterprises.com (Albert T. Mason III) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 20:10:28 -0400 Subject: [Ibogaine] HELP!!! In-Reply-To: <2295c4ad0807022314s41caec23ic33de268f5b084de@mail.gmail.com> References: <2295c4ad0807022314s41caec23ic33de268f5b084de@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <006901c8defc$b32720f0$197562d0$@com> Patrick, Call Dr. Deborah Mash at the University of Miami. She is a Neurologist and has extensive knowledge on Ibogaine. Plus she is the only person who ever did clinical trials with 276 people on the Island of St. Kitts. She has a clinic in cancun that follows her protocol and she oversees it to my knowledge. There are medical doctors on staff to monitor you and you are screened for safety. Also, there are many other places in Mexico and UK etc. that have very good reputations and protocols. I Begin again, where Rocky and his companion work also has a good reputation from what I have heard, but do research. Dr. Mash is a doctor and has you hooked up and monitored . and I believe she is a good choice. Best, ATM From: ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com [mailto:ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Corbin Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 2:14 AM To: ibogaine at mindvox.com Subject: [Ibogaine] HELP!!! I will send you as much money as you need to get started... But i need a provider in the U.S! Heroin is destroying my life!!! I know ibo will work for me...But no body on this list will tell me anything about it!! I am on parole so i can't leave the country...but money is not an issue for me.. I have more money than I can spend and I am extreamly interested in n ibo...I know it can save my life...I have had dreams about the bwiti telling me so and giving me the plant......before i even knew what it was!!! I researched it and found out about ibo...I know these dreams are a sign from some higher power....I know heroin is going to kill me or send me to prison for the rest of my life... And i have tried everything! Suboxone, methadone, rapid detox w/ naltroxone!! I know ibo is the answer but i dont have the means!! I have aquired several grams of root bark...but know body on here will tell me what to do with it! is there anyone in the U.S. that can help me??? Like i said...Money is not an issue! I need help! Thanks Patrick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Kroupa) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 21:07:07 -0400 Subject: [Ibogaine] welcome back In-Reply-To: <730435.30950.qm@web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <730435.30950.qm@web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2654FA44-A30C-4045-9ACA-D1696265F4CD@phantom.com> On Jul 5, 2008, at 5:40 PM, Vector Vector wrote: > I've missed the 150 msgs a day for the last 3 days ;) > > I know it's a dumb question that won't get answered, but can I ask > what machines are running what? Whatever runs "mindvox" the whole > domain, has never gone offline and if you scan it, stayed in place. > But the website and ibogaine list were unreachable for 3 days. Just > curious, the machines won't respond to pings or id themselves, but > its been there the whole time. I'm guessing you were changing > hardware or adding stuff again. > > Whatever, thanks Patrick, Mixter, whoever is working in the > background. You're scanning a firewall, it won't ping back. The firewall is just an OpenBSD gateway to all the other machines. There are different servers and disc arrays behind it; you can't actually connect to anything inside mindvox/phantom/whatever other domains (including the mail system) without the firewall opening a tunnel to . It's just kinda an encrypted gateway to everything else, it won't directly respond to you or allow you to interact or query it, beyond showing that some ports are open/exist and it's alive at that IP. We added a RAID array and it hadda regenerate, thus 72hrs downtime. Whatever has been sent at the lists during this time period should just queue up and arrive in blips and bursts. Patrick From hslotsof at phantom.com Sat Jul 5 21:10:48 2008 From: hslotsof at phantom.com (Howard Lotsof) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 21:10:48 -0400 Subject: [Ibogaine] stop the fightinf and do somethin productive In-Reply-To: <2295c4ad0807022312i3bd7ac3cxe8a78fd15079c7c5@mail.gmail.com> References: <4867CF6A.3080803@gmail.com> <629028.28290.qm@web54304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <2295c4ad0807022312i3bd7ac3cxe8a78fd15079c7c5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4348985C-D99D-4925-B9DD-ED9E1ACBA8C5@phantom.com> If it is a question of getting busted by your parole officer for using heroin or getting treated with ibogaine in Mexico, I would opt for Mexico. Enough money to fund an ibogaine lab in Africa but, not enough to figure out how to get to an ibogaine clinic in Mexico. What am I missing? Exactly how many grams is "several" of root bark? Most likely it is too little to do anything significant for you. Howard On Jul 3, 2008, at 2:12 AM, Patrick Corbin wrote: > Ryan...I will send you as much money as you need to get started... > But i need a provider in the U.S! Heroin is destroying my life!!! I > know ibo will work for me...But no body on this list will tell me > anything about it!! I am on parole so i can't leave the > country...but money is not an issue for me.. I have more money than > I can spend and I am extreamly interested in n ibo...I know it can > save my life...I have had dreams about the bwiti telling me so and > giving me the plant......before i even knew what it was!!! I > researched it and found out about ibo...I know these dreams are a > sign from some higher power....I know heroin is going to kill me or > send me to prison for the rest of my life... And i have tried > everything! Suboxone, methadone, rapid detox w/ naltroxone!! I know > ibo is the answer but i dont have the means!! I have aquired > several grams of root bark...but know body on here will tell me > what to do with it! is there anyone in the U.S. that can help me??? > Like i said...Money is not an issue! I need help! > Thanks > Patrick > > 2008/6/30 ryan beck : > > I thought this list was abut the dissemination of ibo and it's > value as tool to help people addicted to drugs , but it has turned > into a piss fest of egos there are a few that have valuable > information regarding ibo. Namely Simon(who have the utmost respect > for his knowledge and compassion). If all providers were as > compassionate as Simon and Sara. Ibo would become more mainstream, > Howard and Sara and a handful of others. This s not about us it is > abut something bigger. Ibo has the potential to save 100,000 of > thousands lives; and all I see is infighting This is bigger than > all of our petty egos, Why can't we manufacture it n lab in (?) > Gabon, I have a M.S in chemistry (and several. PhD in organic > chemistry who would be more that happy to join said project), all > we need would be to start a lab with the appropriate funds( the > formula is very straight forward and it is rather simple) One could > produce 100,000s doses a year. It should not cost more than $20 a > dose. What is holding the movement back? Infighting! Personal > vested interest? > > > > > > --- On Sun, 6/29/08, Matt Shriver wrote: > From: Matt Shriver > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Simon Get a life!! > To: "The Ibogaine List" > Date: Sunday, June 29, 2008, 12:07 PM > > So what's all this about then and who are you again Paul? My only > knowledge of you is through some rather hard to decipher posts, > most recently advocating a rather dubious low dose, long term, > ibogaine treatment for opiate addiction. Simon on the other hand > has been around for a while and while he is certainly no more the > authority on all things ibogaine than anyone else here, he speaks > from experience and geniuine concern for addicts. Where exactly > are you coming from? "We are laughing' seriously laughing" and > "Silly little child that you are'" is contributing how exactly? > And since I am asking you all these questions, who is "we"? Your > posts are full of "we this" and "we that" and I can't tell if you > legitimately are representing the views of additional people or > just don't grasp what the word "we" means. I don't say this to be > so much confrontational as your post seems clearly intent on being, > but to support Simon who I respect. > > Matt > > Paul Brookshaw wrote: >> >> Simon' >> >> Is a very manipulative so called spirtual healer' with no psychic >> tools to fight with' >> Because he has no psychic tools to fight with' his jeliously and >> twistedness of other folks has reduced him to writting poison pen >> letters' >> Is this is a mark of a seriously good healer' one that knows >> himself intimately' >> >> Obviously doubtful' >> >> Seriously low, Si! like a little child that has never got their >> own way' >> >> Oh my is that the best you can do bro! >> >> Ha ha ha >> >> We are untouchable by you ' becaue you have no tools' >> >> If you wish warefare' Tata says bring it on' >> It shall never be pretty' War never is!! >> >> Be warned as you so warned us on tribes' that we would be sorry' >> is this your answer Si! >> >> >> >> Grow up little Nzegho' >> >> Learn of who you are an stop bitching at other folks so as to feel >> good in yourself' that you can never know of what we know' >> >> Cry baby Simon!! >> >> >> To note folks' we shall always send you clients and share openly >> of our findings' so as to futher the road of Iboga' >> >> We shall never have to stoop like Simon has' because we know of >> who we are' >> >> Know thyself Simon' >> >> GET A LIFE >> >> To the list' be very careful of this little man' he lives in a >> veil of jeliousies' of which twist him up' and he knows no way of >> releasing the said energies' >> >> Sad really' >> >> >> And now' >> >> Big grins behind dark sunglasses' >> >> We are laughing' seriously laughing Ha ha ha >> hahahahahahaahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahaha >> >> Learn some stuff about who you are Si! >> >> Leave folks alone to their own devises' >> >> Silly little child that you are' >> >> Oh my >> >> The stupidity of jeliously' >> >> you must be really hurting Simon' >> >> Oh my' >> >> he he he >> >> >> Pa' Omoju Gede Nganga >> >> Pa' Motumba' >> >> Bliss and blessings to the list this fine day :) >> >> >> >> >> Campeche Simon' >> Santo Simon' >> >> Get 5GB of online storage for free! Get it Now! -=[) ::::::: >> MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- (][%] :: http:// >> mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) -=[) :::: Change >> Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- > > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- (] > [%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) -= > [) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- > > > > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- > (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) > -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- > > > > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- > (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) > -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- From j0n at just-say-know.org Tue Jul 1 10:49:03 2008 From: j0n at just-say-know.org (j0n at just-say-know.org) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 08:49:03 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Ibogaine] shroomin' Message-ID: <60580.71.206.29.227.1214923743.squirrel@mail.just-say-know.org> Study finds long benefit in illegal mushroom drug By MALCOLM RITTER, AP Science WriterTue Jul 1, 12:07 AM ET In 2002, at a Johns Hopkins University laboratory, a business consultant named Dede Osborn took a psychedelic drug as part of a research project. She felt like she was taking off. She saw colors. Then it felt like her heart was ripping open. But she called the experience joyful as well as painful, and says that it has helped her to this day. "I feel more centered in who I am and what I'm doing," said Osborn, now 66, of Providence, R.I. "I don't seem to have those self-doubts like I used to have. I feel much more grounded (and feel that) we are all connected." Scientists reported Tuesday that when they surveyed volunteers 14 months after they took the drug, most said they were still feeling and behaving better because of the experience. Two-thirds of them also said the drug had produced one of the five most spiritually significant experiences they'd ever had. The drug, psilocybin, is found in so-called "magic mushrooms." It's illegal, but it has been used in religious ceremonies for centuries. The study involved 36 men and women during an eight-hour lab visit. It's one of the few such studies of a hallucinogen in the past 40 years, since research was largely shut down after widespread recreational abuse of such drugs in the 1960s. The project made headlines in 2006 when researchers published their report on how the volunteers felt just two months after taking the drug. The new study followed them up a year after that. Experts emphasize that people should not try psilocybin on their own because it could be harmful. Even in the controlled setting of the laboratory, nearly a third of participants felt significant fear under the effects of the drug. Without proper supervision, someone could be harmed, researchers said. Osborn, in a telephone interview, recalled a powerful feeling of being out of control during her lab experience. "It was ... like taking off, I'm being lifted up," she said. Then came "brilliant colors and beautiful patterns, just stunningly gorgeous, more intense than normal reality." And then, the sensation that her heart was tearing open. "It would come in waves," she recalled. "I found myself doing Lamaze-type breathing as the pain came on." Yet "it was a joyful, ecstatic thing at the same time, like the joy of being alive," she said. She compared it to birthing pains. "There was this sense of relief and joy and ecstasy when my heart was opened." With further research, psilocybin (pronounced SILL-oh-SY-bin) may prove useful in helping to treat alcoholism and drug dependence, and in aiding seriously ill patients as they deal with psychological distress, said study lead author Roland Griffiths of Johns Hopkins. Griffiths also said that despite the spiritual characteristics reported for the drug experiences, the study says nothing about whether God exists. "Is this God in a pill? Absolutely not," he said. The experiment was funded in part by the National Institute on Drug Abuse. The results were published online Tuesday by the Journal of Psychopharmacology. Fourteen months after taking the drug, 64 percent of the volunteers said they still felt at least a moderate increase in well-being or life satisfaction, in terms of things like feeling more creative, self-confident, flexible and optimistic. And 61 percent reported at least a moderate behavior change in what they considered positive ways. That second question didn't ask for details, but elsewhere the questionnaire answers indicated lasting gains in traits like being more sensitive, tolerant, loving and compassionate. Researchers didn't try to corroborate what the participants said about their own behavior. But in the earlier analysis at two months after the drug was given, researchers said family and friends backed up what those in the study said about behavior changes. Griffiths said he has no reason to doubt the answers at 14 months. Dr. Charles Grob, a professor of psychiatry and pediatrics at the Harbor-UCLA Medical Center, called the new work an important follow-up to the first study. He said it is helping to reopen formal study of psychedelic drugs. Grob is on the board of the Heffter Research Institute, which promotes studies of psychedelic substances and helped pay for the new work. From wleetheriot at ca.rr.com Sun Jul 6 00:32:16 2008 From: wleetheriot at ca.rr.com (Warren Theriot) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 21:32:16 -0700 Subject: [Ibogaine] MK 801?? In-Reply-To: <29d165a30807051500h66c66ff3p72d8c25712c18ff3@mail.gmail.com> References: <29d165a30807011015w2185221alc697f527100510e4@mail.gmail.com> <29d165a30807051500h66c66ff3p72d8c25712c18ff3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Its probably similar to PCP. Warren On Jul 5, 2008, at 3:00 PM, Randy Faulconer wrote: > > > On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 1:15 PM, Randy Faulconer > wrote: > Hey yall's, I was looking around at the NIDA home page, > looking for what they may have said about Ibogaine lately. I didn't > find anything new, but I stumbled on to a report on MK 801. The drug > name is Dizocilpine. Has anybody had any experience with this? It is > claimed to be a strong hallucinitory substance, although it has some > bad side effects. Real bad amnesia for one. It has very strong > auditory hallucinations and lasts a long time. It is measured in > Micro-grams so it is very potent and has the risk of OD along with > it. It's actions are in the NMDA antagonist group of drugs. > > I'm just curious about it>>??<< > > Peace Love and Ear Trips > Randy > > > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- > (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) > -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080705/6b02e115/attachment.html From brasil.beatriz at gmail.com Fri Jul 4 10:05:04 2008 From: brasil.beatriz at gmail.com (Beatriz Brasil) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 22:05:04 +0800 Subject: [Ibogaine] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <995066.91828.qm@web28614.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <995066.91828.qm@web28614.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000301c8ddde$f7be6f30$6400a8c0@IBM4A0955FF8C3> Just Checking -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080704/d9b42f1d/attachment-0001.htm From ted at masonenterprises.com Sat Jul 5 21:39:59 2008 From: ted at masonenterprises.com (Albert T. Mason III) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 21:39:59 -0400 Subject: [Ibogaine] Concerning that Patrick guy about Parole.... and Not being able to leave the country In-Reply-To: <4348985C-D99D-4925-B9DD-ED9E1ACBA8C5@phantom.com> References: <4867CF6A.3080803@gmail.com> <629028.28290.qm@web54304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <2295c4ad0807022312i3bd7ac3cxe8a78fd15079c7c5@mail.gmail.com> <4348985C-D99D-4925-B9DD-ED9E1ACBA8C5@phantom.com> Message-ID: <000601c8df09$3469fc80$9d3df580$@com> Hey Howard, I emailed that guy and told him I don't think anyone on the list wants to implicate themselves in facilitating an Illegal meeting with a person in the U.S. for Ibo ...LOL It is as if the guy is trying to bait some fool in by saying "money is no object", "I have more than I can spend" ... Just tell me where to go to get that illegal treatment.... What are we missing????? ... pretty obvious to me .... sounds like a Narc ...LOL Ted -----Original Message----- From: ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com [mailto:ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com] On Behalf Of Howard Lotsof Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 9:11 PM To: The Ibogaine List Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] stop the fightinf and do somethin productive If it is a question of getting busted by your parole officer for using heroin or getting treated with ibogaine in Mexico, I would opt for Mexico. Enough money to fund an ibogaine lab in Africa but, not enough to figure out how to get to an ibogaine clinic in Mexico. What am I missing? Exactly how many grams is "several" of root bark? Most likely it is too little to do anything significant for you. Howard On Jul 3, 2008, at 2:12 AM, Patrick Corbin wrote: > Ryan...I will send you as much money as you need to get started... > But i need a provider in the U.S! Heroin is destroying my life!!! I > know ibo will work for me...But no body on this list will tell me > anything about it!! I am on parole so i can't leave the > country...but money is not an issue for me.. I have more money than > I can spend and I am extreamly interested in n ibo...I know it can > save my life...I have had dreams about the bwiti telling me so and > giving me the plant......before i even knew what it was!!! I > researched it and found out about ibo...I know these dreams are a > sign from some higher power....I know heroin is going to kill me or > send me to prison for the rest of my life... And i have tried > everything! Suboxone, methadone, rapid detox w/ naltroxone!! I know > ibo is the answer but i dont have the means!! I have aquired > several grams of root bark...but know body on here will tell me > what to do with it! is there anyone in the U.S. that can help me??? > Like i said...Money is not an issue! I need help! > Thanks > Patrick > > 2008/6/30 ryan beck : > > I thought this list was abut the dissemination of ibo and it's > value as tool to help people addicted to drugs , but it has turned > into a piss fest of egos there are a few that have valuable > information regarding ibo. Namely Simon(who have the utmost respect > for his knowledge and compassion). If all providers were as > compassionate as Simon and Sara. Ibo would become more mainstream, > Howard and Sara and a handful of others. This s not about us it is > abut something bigger. Ibo has the potential to save 100,000 of > thousands lives; and all I see is infighting This is bigger than > all of our petty egos, Why can't we manufacture it n lab in (?) > Gabon, I have a M.S in chemistry (and several. PhD in organic > chemistry who would be more that happy to join said project), all > we need would be to start a lab with the appropriate funds( the > formula is very straight forward and it is rather simple) One could > produce 100,000s doses a year. It should not cost more than $20 a > dose. What is holding the movement back? Infighting! Personal > vested interest? > > > > > > --- On Sun, 6/29/08, Matt Shriver wrote: > From: Matt Shriver > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Simon Get a life!! > To: "The Ibogaine List" > Date: Sunday, June 29, 2008, 12:07 PM > > So what's all this about then and who are you again Paul? My only > knowledge of you is through some rather hard to decipher posts, > most recently advocating a rather dubious low dose, long term, > ibogaine treatment for opiate addiction. Simon on the other hand > has been around for a while and while he is certainly no more the > authority on all things ibogaine than anyone else here, he speaks > from experience and geniuine concern for addicts. Where exactly > are you coming from? "We are laughing' seriously laughing" and > "Silly little child that you are'" is contributing how exactly? > And since I am asking you all these questions, who is "we"? Your > posts are full of "we this" and "we that" and I can't tell if you > legitimately are representing the views of additional people or > just don't grasp what the word "we" means. I don't say this to be > so much confrontational as your post seems clearly intent on being, > but to support Simon who I respect. > > Matt > > Paul Brookshaw wrote: >> >> Simon' >> >> Is a very manipulative so called spirtual healer' with no psychic >> tools to fight with' >> Because he has no psychic tools to fight with' his jeliously and >> twistedness of other folks has reduced him to writting poison pen >> letters' >> Is this is a mark of a seriously good healer' one that knows >> himself intimately' >> >> Obviously doubtful' >> >> Seriously low, Si! like a little child that has never got their >> own way' >> >> Oh my is that the best you can do bro! >> >> Ha ha ha >> >> We are untouchable by you ' becaue you have no tools' >> >> If you wish warefare' Tata says bring it on' >> It shall never be pretty' War never is!! >> >> Be warned as you so warned us on tribes' that we would be sorry' >> is this your answer Si! >> >> >> >> Grow up little Nzegho' >> >> Learn of who you are an stop bitching at other folks so as to feel >> good in yourself' that you can never know of what we know' >> >> Cry baby Simon!! >> >> >> To note folks' we shall always send you clients and share openly >> of our findings' so as to futher the road of Iboga' >> >> We shall never have to stoop like Simon has' because we know of >> who we are' >> >> Know thyself Simon' >> >> GET A LIFE >> >> To the list' be very careful of this little man' he lives in a >> veil of jeliousies' of which twist him up' and he knows no way of >> releasing the said energies' >> >> Sad really' >> >> >> And now' >> >> Big grins behind dark sunglasses' >> >> We are laughing' seriously laughing Ha ha ha >> hahahahahahaahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahaha >> >> Learn some stuff about who you are Si! >> >> Leave folks alone to their own devises' >> >> Silly little child that you are' >> >> Oh my >> >> The stupidity of jeliously' >> >> you must be really hurting Simon' >> >> Oh my' >> >> he he he >> >> >> Pa' Omoju Gede Nganga >> >> Pa' Motumba' >> >> Bliss and blessings to the list this fine day :) >> >> >> >> >> Campeche Simon' >> Santo Simon' >> >> Get 5GB of online storage for free! Get it Now! -=[) ::::::: >> MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- (][%] :: http:// >> mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) -=[) :::: Change >> Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- > > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- (] > [%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) -= > [) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- > > > > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- > (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) > -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- > > > > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- > (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) > -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- From dcollier9 at cox.net Sat Jul 5 21:57:06 2008 From: dcollier9 at cox.net (DC in AZ) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 18:57:06 -0700 Subject: [Ibogaine] shroomin' References: <60580.71.206.29.227.1214923743.squirrel@mail.just-say-know.org> Message-ID: <363DBF45B8B742B1B04A6A4D6F4F8BAC@agi.alexandergroupinc.com> shrooms were always good in tucson, fresh or dried, prefer dried. but illinois mescaline is good too, the purple anyway (shines clear crystal under a black lite) but always with take these with mj to greatly enhance the colors for a smaller dose, same as with blotter, microdots, or windowpane. dont do it alone, or with someone you are likely to argue with (a spouse, smile ?) dont do much alcohol with it, and no smack with it either, unless you want to blast off the earth. and dont do it if yur unstable, you know who you are. know what yur doin ok. to the moon alice... --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Donzo "Love converts hearts, and gives peace." __________________________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 7:49 AM Subject: [Ibogaine] shroomin' > Study finds long benefit in illegal mushroom drug > > By MALCOLM RITTER, AP Science WriterTue Jul 1, 12:07 AM ET > > In 2002, at a Johns Hopkins University laboratory, a business consultant > named Dede Osborn took a psychedelic drug as part of a research project. > She felt like she was taking off. She saw colors. Then it felt like her > heart was ripping open. But she called the experience joyful as well as > painful, and says that it has helped her to this day. > > "I feel more centered in who I am and what I'm doing," said Osborn, now > 66, of Providence, R.I. "I don't seem to have those self-doubts like I > used to have. I feel much more grounded (and feel that) we are all > connected." > > Scientists reported Tuesday that when they surveyed volunteers 14 months > after they took the drug, most said they were still feeling and behaving > better because of the experience. > > Two-thirds of them also said the drug had produced one of the five most > spiritually significant experiences they'd ever had. > > The drug, psilocybin, is found in so-called "magic mushrooms." It's > illegal, but it has been used in religious ceremonies for centuries. > > The study involved 36 men and women during an eight-hour lab visit. It's > one of the few such studies of a hallucinogen in the past 40 years, since > research was largely shut down after widespread recreational abuse of such > drugs in the 1960s. > > The project made headlines in 2006 when researchers published their report > on how the volunteers felt just two months after taking the drug. The new > study followed them up a year after that. > > Experts emphasize that people should not try psilocybin on their own > because it could be harmful. Even in the controlled setting of the > laboratory, nearly a third of participants felt significant fear under the > effects of the drug. Without proper supervision, someone could be harmed, > researchers said. > > Osborn, in a telephone interview, recalled a powerful feeling of being out > of control during her lab experience. "It was ... like taking off, I'm > being lifted up," she said. Then came "brilliant colors and beautiful > patterns, just stunningly gorgeous, more intense than normal reality." > > And then, the sensation that her heart was tearing open. > > "It would come in waves," she recalled. "I found myself doing Lamaze-type > breathing as the pain came on." > > Yet "it was a joyful, ecstatic thing at the same time, like the joy of > being alive," she said. She compared it to birthing pains. "There was this > sense of relief and joy and ecstasy when my heart was opened." > > With further research, psilocybin (pronounced SILL-oh-SY-bin) may prove > useful in helping to treat alcoholism and drug dependence, and in aiding > seriously ill patients as they deal with psychological distress, said > study lead author Roland Griffiths of Johns Hopkins. > > Griffiths also said that despite the spiritual characteristics reported > for the drug experiences, the study says nothing about whether God exists. > > "Is this God in a pill? Absolutely not," he said. > > The experiment was funded in part by the National Institute on Drug Abuse. > The results were published online Tuesday by the Journal of > Psychopharmacology. > > Fourteen months after taking the drug, 64 percent of the volunteers said > they still felt at least a moderate increase in well-being or life > satisfaction, in terms of things like feeling more creative, > self-confident, flexible and optimistic. And 61 percent reported at least > a moderate behavior change in what they considered positive ways. > > That second question didn't ask for details, but elsewhere the > questionnaire answers indicated lasting gains in traits like being more > sensitive, tolerant, loving and compassionate. > > Researchers didn't try to corroborate what the participants said about > their own behavior. But in the earlier analysis at two months after the > drug was given, researchers said family and friends backed up what those > in the study said about behavior changes. Griffiths said he has no reason > to doubt the answers at 14 months. > > Dr. Charles Grob, a professor of psychiatry and pediatrics at the > Harbor-UCLA Medical Center, called the new work an important follow-up to > the first study. > > He said it is helping to reopen formal study of psychedelic drugs. Grob is > on the board of the Heffter Research Institute, which promotes studies of > psychedelic substances and helped pay for the new work. > > > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- > (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) > -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- > From j0n at just-say-know.org Sat Jul 5 19:12:14 2008 From: j0n at just-say-know.org (j0n at just-say-know.org) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 17:12:14 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Ibogaine] MK 801?? In-Reply-To: <29d165a30807051500h66c66ff3p72d8c25712c18ff3@mail.gmail.com> References: <29d165a30807011015w2185221alc697f527100510e4@mail.gmail.com> <29d165a30807051500h66c66ff3p72d8c25712c18ff3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <60429.71.206.29.227.1215299534.squirrel@mail.just-say-know.org> i don't know if there are any documented cases of its use by humans... it's pretty much used exclusively for animal and culture based experiments. but hypothetically it should have somewhat similar effects to PCP, but with a greater incidence of adverse effects... loss of coordination, anxiety and paranoia, psychosis, respiratory depression, hypotension, seizures, death, etc. > On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 1:15 PM, Randy Faulconer > wrote: > >> Hey yall's, I was looking around at the NIDA home page, looking >> for what they may have said about Ibogaine lately. I didn't find >> anything >> new, but I stumbled on to a report on MK 801. The drug name is >> Dizocilpine. >> Has anybody had any experience with this? It is claimed to be a strong >> hallucinitory substance, although it has some bad side effects. Real bad >> amnesia for one. It has very strong auditory hallucinations and lasts a >> long >> time. It is measured in Micro-grams so it is very potent and has the >> risk of >> OD along with it. It's actions are in the NMDA antagonist group of >> drugs. >> >> I'm just curious about it>>??<< >> >> Peace Love and Ear Trips >> Randy >> > > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- > (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) > -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- > From corbin0281 at gmail.com Mon Jul 7 04:46:36 2008 From: corbin0281 at gmail.com (Patrick Corbin) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 03:46:36 -0500 Subject: [Ibogaine] HELP!!! In-Reply-To: <006901c8defc$b32720f0$197562d0$@com> References: <2295c4ad0807022314s41caec23ic33de268f5b084de@mail.gmail.com> <006901c8defc$b32720f0$197562d0$@com> Message-ID: <2295c4ad0807070146i1ba5475am7261d4d120c60c67@mail.gmail.com> I have already talked to Dr. Mash personally, she was very helpful, but my problem is i Am ON PAROLE! I cannot go to mexico or the UK or Canada or anywhere else out of the country or else I would already be there! I need help and I have tried everything except ibo...and I ave had dreams that this is the answer,,,Can anyone help??? On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 7:10 PM, Albert T. Mason III < ted at masonenterprises.com> wrote: > Patrick, Call Dr. Deborah Mash at the University of Miami. > > > > She is a Neurologist and has extensive knowledge on Ibogaine. > > Plus she is the only person who ever did clinical trials with 276 people on > the Island of St. Kitts. > She has a clinic in cancun that follows her protocol and she oversees it to > my knowledge. > > There are medical doctors on staff to monitor you and you are screened for > safety. > > > > Also, there are many other places in Mexico and UK etc. that have very good > reputations and protocols. > > I Begin again, where Rocky and his companion work also has a good > reputation from what I have heard, but do > research. Dr. Mash is a doctor and has you hooked up and monitored ? and I > believe she is a good choice. > > > > Best, > > > > ATM > > > > *From:* ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com [mailto:ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com] > *On Behalf Of *Patrick Corbin > *Sent:* Thursday, July 03, 2008 2:14 AM > *To:* ibogaine at mindvox.com > *Subject:* [Ibogaine] HELP!!! > > > > I will send you as much money as you need to get started... But i need a > provider in the U.S! Heroin is destroying my life!!! I know ibo will work > for me...But no body on this list will tell me anything about it!! I am on > parole so i can't leave the country...but money is not an issue for me.. I > have more money than I can spend and I am extreamly interested in n ibo...I > know it can save my life...I have had dreams about the bwiti telling me so > and giving me the plant......before i even knew what it was!!! I researched > it and found out about ibo...I know these dreams are a sign from some higher > power....I know heroin is going to kill me or send me to prison for the rest > of my life... And i have tried everything! Suboxone, methadone, rapid detox > w/ naltroxone!! I know ibo is the answer but i dont have the means!! I have > aquired several grams of root bark...but know body on here will tell me what > to do with it! is there anyone in the U.S. that can help me??? Like i > said...Money is not an issue! I need help! > Thanks > Patrick > > > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- > (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) > -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080707/1894436d/attachment.htm From corbin0281 at gmail.com Mon Jul 7 05:02:38 2008 From: corbin0281 at gmail.com (Patrick Corbin) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 04:02:38 -0500 Subject: [Ibogaine] stop the fightinf and do somethin productive In-Reply-To: <4348985C-D99D-4925-B9DD-ED9E1ACBA8C5@phantom.com> References: <4867CF6A.3080803@gmail.com> <629028.28290.qm@web54304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <2295c4ad0807022312i3bd7ac3cxe8a78fd15079c7c5@mail.gmail.com> <4348985C-D99D-4925-B9DD-ED9E1ACBA8C5@phantom.com> Message-ID: <2295c4ad0807070202xb9fcf7eo62766ae06305ecf@mail.gmail.com> I am in Texas....I cannot leave the country because I cannot get a passport. I am on parole for 5 more years. Like I said I am very well off on money..so that is not an issue..you can contact me at corbin0281 at gmail.com if any of you can help and I will explain more. Thanks Patrick On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 8:10 PM, Howard Lotsof wrote: > If it is a question of getting busted by your parole officer for > using heroin or getting treated with ibogaine in Mexico, I would opt > for Mexico. Enough money to fund an ibogaine lab in Africa but, not > enough to figure out how to get to an ibogaine clinic in Mexico. > What am I missing? > > Exactly how many grams is "several" of root bark? Most likely it is > too little to do anything significant for you. > > Howard > > > On Jul 3, 2008, at 2:12 AM, Patrick Corbin wrote: > > > Ryan...I will send you as much money as you need to get started... > > But i need a provider in the U.S! Heroin is destroying my life!!! I > > know ibo will work for me...But no body on this list will tell me > > anything about it!! I am on parole so i can't leave the > > country...but money is not an issue for me.. I have more money than > > I can spend and I am extreamly interested in n ibo...I know it can > > save my life...I have had dreams about the bwiti telling me so and > > giving me the plant......before i even knew what it was!!! I > > researched it and found out about ibo...I know these dreams are a > > sign from some higher power....I know heroin is going to kill me or > > send me to prison for the rest of my life... And i have tried > > everything! Suboxone, methadone, rapid detox w/ naltroxone!! I know > > ibo is the answer but i dont have the means!! I have aquired > > several grams of root bark...but know body on here will tell me > > what to do with it! is there anyone in the U.S. that can help me??? > > Like i said...Money is not an issue! I need help! > > Thanks > > Patrick > > > > 2008/6/30 ryan beck : > > > > I thought this list was abut the dissemination of ibo and it's > > value as tool to help people addicted to drugs , but it has turned > > into a piss fest of egos there are a few that have valuable > > information regarding ibo. Namely Simon(who have the utmost respect > > for his knowledge and compassion). If all providers were as > > compassionate as Simon and Sara. Ibo would become more mainstream, > > Howard and Sara and a handful of others. This s not about us it is > > abut something bigger. Ibo has the potential to save 100,000 of > > thousands lives; and all I see is infighting This is bigger than > > all of our petty egos, Why can't we manufacture it n lab in (?) > > Gabon, I have a M.S in chemistry (and several. PhD in organic > > chemistry who would be more that happy to join said project), all > > we need would be to start a lab with the appropriate funds( the > > formula is very straight forward and it is rather simple) One could > > produce 100,000s doses a year. It should not cost more than $20 a > > dose. What is holding the movement back? Infighting! Personal > > vested interest? > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 6/29/08, Matt Shriver wrote: > > From: Matt Shriver > > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Simon Get a life!! > > To: "The Ibogaine List" > > Date: Sunday, June 29, 2008, 12:07 PM > > > > So what's all this about then and who are you again Paul? My only > > knowledge of you is through some rather hard to decipher posts, > > most recently advocating a rather dubious low dose, long term, > > ibogaine treatment for opiate addiction. Simon on the other hand > > has been around for a while and while he is certainly no more the > > authority on all things ibogaine than anyone else here, he speaks > > from experience and geniuine concern for addicts. Where exactly > > are you coming from? "We are laughing' seriously laughing" and > > "Silly little child that you are'" is contributing how exactly? > > And since I am asking you all these questions, who is "we"? Your > > posts are full of "we this" and "we that" and I can't tell if you > > legitimately are representing the views of additional people or > > just don't grasp what the word "we" means. I don't say this to be > > so much confrontational as your post seems clearly intent on being, > > but to support Simon who I respect. > > > > Matt > > > > Paul Brookshaw wrote: > >> > >> Simon' > >> > >> Is a very manipulative so called spirtual healer' with no psychic > >> tools to fight with' > >> Because he has no psychic tools to fight with' his jeliously and > >> twistedness of other folks has reduced him to writting poison pen > >> letters' > >> Is this is a mark of a seriously good healer' one that knows > >> himself intimately' > >> > >> Obviously doubtful' > >> > >> Seriously low, Si! like a little child that has never got their > >> own way' > >> > >> Oh my is that the best you can do bro! > >> > >> Ha ha ha > >> > >> We are untouchable by you ' becaue you have no tools' > >> > >> If you wish warefare' Tata says bring it on' > >> It shall never be pretty' War never is!! > >> > >> Be warned as you so warned us on tribes' that we would be sorry' > >> is this your answer Si! > >> > >> > >> > >> Grow up little Nzegho' > >> > >> Learn of who you are an stop bitching at other folks so as to feel > >> good in yourself' that you can never know of what we know' > >> > >> Cry baby Simon!! > >> > >> > >> To note folks' we shall always send you clients and share openly > >> of our findings' so as to futher the road of Iboga' > >> > >> We shall never have to stoop like Simon has' because we know of > >> who we are' > >> > >> Know thyself Simon' > >> > >> GET A LIFE > >> > >> To the list' be very careful of this little man' he lives in a > >> veil of jeliousies' of which twist him up' and he knows no way of > >> releasing the said energies' > >> > >> Sad really' > >> > >> > >> And now' > >> > >> Big grins behind dark sunglasses' > >> > >> We are laughing' seriously laughing Ha ha ha > >> hahahahahahaahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahaha > >> > >> Learn some stuff about who you are Si! > >> > >> Leave folks alone to their own devises' > >> > >> Silly little child that you are' > >> > >> Oh my > >> > >> The stupidity of jeliously' > >> > >> you must be really hurting Simon' > >> > >> Oh my' > >> > >> he he he > >> > >> > >> Pa' Omoju Gede Nganga > >> > >> Pa' Motumba' > >> > >> Bliss and blessings to the list this fine day :) > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Campeche Simon' > >> Santo Simon' > >> > >> Get 5GB of online storage for free! 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All those A 10 wrapped up and waiting to be refurbished. Tucson has such beauty surrounding it, and then such destruction waiting to be unleashed. Peace Love and Purple and Orange Sunsets Randy On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 9:57 PM, DC in AZ wrote: > shrooms were always good in tucson, fresh or dried, prefer dried. > but illinois mescaline is good too, the purple anyway (shines clear crystal > under a black lite) > but always with take these with mj to greatly enhance the colors for a > smaller dose, same as with blotter, microdots, or windowpane. > dont do it alone, or with someone you are likely to argue with (a spouse, > smile ?) > dont do much alcohol with it, and no smack with it either, unless you want > to blast off the earth. > and dont do it if yur unstable, you know who you are. know what yur doin > ok. > to the moon alice... > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Donzo > "Love converts hearts, and gives peace." > __________________________________________________ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 7:49 AM > Subject: [Ibogaine] shroomin' > > > > Study finds long benefit in illegal mushroom drug > > > > By MALCOLM RITTER, AP Science WriterTue Jul 1, 12:07 AM ET > > > > In 2002, at a Johns Hopkins University laboratory, a business consultant > > named Dede Osborn took a psychedelic drug as part of a research project. > > She felt like she was taking off. She saw colors. Then it felt like her > > heart was ripping open. But she called the experience joyful as well as > > painful, and says that it has helped her to this day. > > > > "I feel more centered in who I am and what I'm doing," said Osborn, now > > 66, of Providence, R.I. "I don't seem to have those self-doubts like I > > used to have. I feel much more grounded (and feel that) we are all > > connected." > > > > Scientists reported Tuesday that when they surveyed volunteers 14 months > > after they took the drug, most said they were still feeling and behaving > > better because of the experience. > > > > Two-thirds of them also said the drug had produced one of the five most > > spiritually significant experiences they'd ever had. > > > > The drug, psilocybin, is found in so-called "magic mushrooms." It's > > illegal, but it has been used in religious ceremonies for centuries. > > > > The study involved 36 men and women during an eight-hour lab visit. It's > > one of the few such studies of a hallucinogen in the past 40 years, since > > research was largely shut down after widespread recreational abuse of > such > > drugs in the 1960s. > > > > The project made headlines in 2006 when researchers published their > report > > on how the volunteers felt just two months after taking the drug. The new > > study followed them up a year after that. > > > > Experts emphasize that people should not try psilocybin on their own > > because it could be harmful. Even in the controlled setting of the > > laboratory, nearly a third of participants felt significant fear under > the > > effects of the drug. Without proper supervision, someone could be harmed, > > researchers said. > > > > Osborn, in a telephone interview, recalled a powerful feeling of being > out > > of control during her lab experience. "It was ... like taking off, I'm > > being lifted up," she said. Then came "brilliant colors and beautiful > > patterns, just stunningly gorgeous, more intense than normal reality." > > > > And then, the sensation that her heart was tearing open. > > > > "It would come in waves," she recalled. "I found myself doing Lamaze-type > > breathing as the pain came on." > > > > Yet "it was a joyful, ecstatic thing at the same time, like the joy of > > being alive," she said. She compared it to birthing pains. "There was > this > > sense of relief and joy and ecstasy when my heart was opened." > > > > With further research, psilocybin (pronounced SILL-oh-SY-bin) may prove > > useful in helping to treat alcoholism and drug dependence, and in aiding > > seriously ill patients as they deal with psychological distress, said > > study lead author Roland Griffiths of Johns Hopkins. > > > > Griffiths also said that despite the spiritual characteristics reported > > for the drug experiences, the study says nothing about whether God > exists. > > > > "Is this God in a pill? Absolutely not," he said. > > > > The experiment was funded in part by the National Institute on Drug > Abuse. > > The results were published online Tuesday by the Journal of > > Psychopharmacology. > > > > Fourteen months after taking the drug, 64 percent of the volunteers said > > they still felt at least a moderate increase in well-being or life > > satisfaction, in terms of things like feeling more creative, > > self-confident, flexible and optimistic. And 61 percent reported at least > > a moderate behavior change in what they considered positive ways. > > > > That second question didn't ask for details, but elsewhere the > > questionnaire answers indicated lasting gains in traits like being more > > sensitive, tolerant, loving and compassionate. > > > > Researchers didn't try to corroborate what the participants said about > > their own behavior. But in the earlier analysis at two months after the > > drug was given, researchers said family and friends backed up what those > > in the study said about behavior changes. Griffiths said he has no reason > > to doubt the answers at 14 months. > > > > Dr. Charles Grob, a professor of psychiatry and pediatrics at the > > Harbor-UCLA Medical Center, called the new work an important follow-up to > > the first study. > > > > He said it is helping to reopen formal study of psychedelic drugs. 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I have already talked to Dr. Mash personally, she was very helpful, but my problem is i Am ON PAROLE! I cannot go to mexico or the UK or Canada or anywhere else out of the country or else I would already be there! I need help and I have tried everything except ibo...and I ave had dreams that this is the answer,,,Can anyone help??? On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 7:10 PM, Albert T. Mason III wrote: Patrick, Call Dr. Deborah Mash at the University of Miami. She is a Neurologist and has extensive knowledge on Ibogaine. Plus she is the only person who ever did clinical trials with 276 people on the Island of St. Kitts. She has a clinic in cancun that follows her protocol and she oversees it to my knowledge. There are medical doctors on staff to monitor you and you are screened for safety. Also, there are many other places in Mexico and UK etc. that have very good reputations and protocols. I Begin again, where Rocky and his companion work also has a good reputation from what I have heard, but do research. Dr. Mash is a doctor and has you hooked up and monitored ? and I believe she is a good choice. Best, ATM From:ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com [mailto:ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Corbin Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 2:14 AM To: ibogaine at mindvox.com Subject: [Ibogaine] HELP!!! I will send you as much money as you need to get started... But i need a provider in the U.S! Heroin is destroying my life!!! I know ibo will work for me...But no body on this list will tell me anything about it!! I am on parole so i can't leave the country...but money is not an issue for me.. I have more money than I can spend and I am extreamly interested in n ibo...I know it can save my life...I have had dreams about the bwiti telling me so and giving me the plant......before i even knew what it was!!! I researched it and found out about ibo...I know these dreams are a sign from some higher power....I know heroin is going to kill me or send me to prison for the rest of my life... And i have tried everything! Suboxone, methadone, rapid detox w/ naltroxone!! I know ibo is the answer but i dont have the means!! I have aquired several grams of root bark...but know body on here will tell me what to do with it! is there anyone in the U.S. that can help me??? Like i said...Money is not an issue! I need help! Thanks Patrick -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080707/b806ec08/attachment-0001.htm From knehnav at xs4all.nl Mon Jul 7 08:58:35 2008 From: knehnav at xs4all.nl (Henk) Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 14:58:35 +0200 Subject: [Ibogaine] semi off topic, Baraka Message-ID: <487212FB.3090405@xs4all.nl> http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid=-4637096215205595301&q=Baraka&ei=QA1ySPa-FYGciwLVjpSYDw -- Om Shanti, Jai Mataji, Jai Gangama. Lost and Free Enterprises http://www.xs4all.nl/~knehnav http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid=2972511154796451107&q=entheogens http://www.xs4all.nl/~knehnav/porvenir/Porvenir.html http://www.geocities.com/knehnav55/ From j0n at just-say-know.org Mon Jul 7 10:05:59 2008 From: j0n at just-say-know.org (j0n at just-say-know.org) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 08:05:59 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Ibogaine] Farmers caught in the poppy trade In-Reply-To: <48720D93.6060703@gmail.com> References: <48720D93.6060703@gmail.com> Message-ID: <53716.76.100.171.112.1215439559.squirrel@mail.just-say-know.org> sounds like the Baltimore City Police Department.... > The police in Helmand have a reputation for bribe-taking, drug > addiction and for being a major source of crime. > > There are good officers among their ranks, but also > allegations that some help run the drugs trade. From jlspence at mac.com Mon Jul 7 10:36:17 2008 From: jlspence at mac.com (Jeremy Spence) Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 09:36:17 -0500 Subject: [Ibogaine] Too Dana In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey sorry about the cops thing Dana!! I had my run in with those fucker too!! And I do everything in my power to STAY THE FUCK AWAY FROM THEIR ASSES!! Their not your friends, I can tell you that!!! Fuckers, I hope they burn in hell!!! Those fucker's can be sooooo real unreal!!! I know that for a fact!! They tried soooooooo hard to bust me for "nothing!!!" They pulled my over and told me I was on LSD!!!!!! And asked where's "the weapon"???? I thought weapon?? What the fuck?? Those mother fucker's are so ate up it's sick!!!! I am telling u, it's getting real scary in this country!!!! Those fucker's are really sick!!! Their sick!!!! Sick in the head!! And its like that in every state!!! Every part of this country no matter where you go!!! It's fucked!!! I don't trust any of them!! None of those fuck's!!!!! If they got a badge, I don't trust them!!! Not one bit!! People in this country do not understand that their Rights are being taken!!!!!! It's really kind of sad!!! That's why I stay to my self!!! Only have a few good friends! And stay the fuck a way from people who are too loud about the stuff they do, not that I do much anymore, because I don't. It's just sad how things have gotten to be in this county, it's just is! Yea, those fucker's put me in hand cuffs and told me your not under arrest, (but you in hand cuffs??? Yea, what the fuck??) They took my ass down to the hospital and tested me for drugs!! Piss tested me, fucking piss tested my ass!!!!! He kept saying, you might as well tell him what I was on!! I told him nothing!!! Just my pain medicine! I told him I was on methadone for pain and he told me they don't give that for pain!!!!!!! I thought what?? What?? Hello?? Some body in there??? I kept telling him that, but he didn't believe me!! I and then the test came back, nothing!!! nothing, nothing!!! Those fucker are sooooo stupid, they have no IQ at all!! IF that don't have a IQ they make great cops!!! And then he ask me why I was scared??. hello??? What?? U get pull out of your car put in hand cuffs for nothing, and then your spose to be a peach??? What??? Those fucker's are soo unbelievable!! unbelievable!!! I tried to tell that mother fucker I was not on anything!!!!! They send me a fucking bill for that shit!! I could that shit down town and told them, I AM NOT PAYING FOR THIS SHIT!!! And then the lady at the front desk, she was a real bitch, and she said real loud and crazy , "Well he had to be doing something wrong!!!" I thought bitch, no I fucking was not!! People in this county are sooooo fucking stupid!!!!! Sometime I think we deserved every damm fucking thing we got with 911!!!! Not that I think its right people have to lose love ones like that, because I don't!! I' m just talk'en about the way this country is, you know? It's just how fucked up this country has gotten, I mean just about taking people's fucking rights away!! And the fucked thing is people in this country don't even know it, you know?? They don't even think about that shit!! That's the fucking problem!!! People in this country don't even know their rights are being taken away!! Most people think its just about some one doing drugs or some other shit that has nothing to do them!! But it does include them, If any a person rights I fucked with,for any reason, it include all of us!! We could be next!!! People in this country don't understand that!!! That's the problem!! That's the main fucking problem! People just think, oh that some body else, not me!! Doesn't have anything to do with me!! That's where they are wrong!!! It's has everything to do with you, me, and everything body!! And it's not just about a person doing a drug, or some other such shit! It's about a person getting there fucking rights taken bit by bit!! Everybody rights, not just one person!!!!! So Dana, i feel your pain bro!! Been there, done that. I had a few run in before, one that cost me 10,000(over pretty much nothing) So, I feel you big time!! Keep up the fight!!! Tell them to go to hell!!!! The next time I get my right fucker with, I am going to go nuts!!!! Nuts on those mother fuckers!!!! They think they can do anything they want!! That's what they think!!! They try and scare the living day lights out of you!! And then turn around, and say, what you scared for? You got something??? What the fuck??? I pray for a pres. to come along and change some of this shit!!! It's really gone too far in this country, it really has!!! If people don't start really trying to change some of this shit, our country is not going to have rights anymore!! People need to really try and get out and vote!! I know I am, and yes, i know both sides are fucked, but I still think it's good to try and get out and vote anyways!! People need to vote in this country! It's something we all should do, but most of us don't. Hell I might even run for office one day,yea, maybe, kidding. That's all I got to say, See you JS From mattzielinski at hotmail.com Mon Jul 7 12:16:44 2008 From: mattzielinski at hotmail.com (Matthew Zielinski) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 12:16:44 -0400 Subject: [Ibogaine] 4 months clean Message-ID: This wed is going to be 4 months!! Like I said before I never really passed the 3 week period so this is a big deal!! I took a booster dose of rootbark about 3 weeks ago. This had an incredible effect on me. Not only did the cravings completly vanished, but my mental clarity and my thinking process become very sharp and extreemly positive again. The worst time for me was during the 6-8 week period when the metabolites began to disintegrate into the beautiful void, and I was faced with my self again. That period was very confusing and I strugled hard to get a grip on the powerfull cravings which overpowered my daily living. After the booster dose 3 weeks ago I feel like a huge weight has been lifted from my shoulders. Its like I finally FINALY know I can beat this shit. It feels amazing and empowering to enjoy the summer without taking anything to have a smile on my face!! But yes it does involve a lot of self discipline, will power and al the other good stuff that goes with it ;-))))) _________________________________________________________________ Try Chicktionary, a game that tests how many words you can form from the letters given. Find this and more puzzles at Live Search Games! http://g.msn.ca/ca55/207 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The worst time for me was during the 6-8 week period when the metabolites began to disintegrate into the beautiful void, and I was faced with my self again. That period was very confusing and I strugled hard to get a grip on the powerfull cravings which overpowered my daily living. After the booster dose 3 weeks ago I feel like a huge weight has been lifted from my shoulders. Its like I finally FINALY know I can beat this shit. It feels amazing and empowering to enjoy the summer without taking anything to have a smile on my face!! But yes it does involve a lot of self discipline, will power and al the other good stuff that goes with it ;-))))) ________________________________ __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080707/86770520/attachment.htm From corbin0281 at gmail.com Mon Jul 7 17:41:27 2008 From: corbin0281 at gmail.com (Patrick Corbin) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 16:41:27 -0500 Subject: [Ibogaine] Concerning that Patrick guy about Parole.... and Not being able to leave the country In-Reply-To: <000601c8df09$3469fc80$9d3df580$@com> References: <4867CF6A.3080803@gmail.com> <629028.28290.qm@web54304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <2295c4ad0807022312i3bd7ac3cxe8a78fd15079c7c5@mail.gmail.com> <4348985C-D99D-4925-B9DD-ED9E1ACBA8C5@phantom.com> <000601c8df09$3469fc80$9d3df580$@com> Message-ID: <2295c4ad0807071441w53cd0e0bpe1f4ea2ab69ef252@mail.gmail.com> Dude that is fucked up ...I am not a narc...Money is not a problem for me because I own 3 landscaping businesses and I have plenty of family money...but what I am saying is that I am willing to spend any amount of money to kick this habit!!! I;ve spent Thousands of dollars already on various treatments and if ibo is the cure than no amount is to much...that is what i am saying...That is messed up how every one is so egotistical here that when I come sincerely asking for help putting my future in the hands of strangers who are supposedly here to help people..you call me names and make fun of me...Thank You I really do need help though so if anyone can please help me I will be forever greatful On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 8:39 PM, Albert T. Mason III < ted at masonenterprises.com> wrote: > Hey Howard, > > I emailed that guy and told him I don't think anyone on the list wants to > implicate themselves > in facilitating an Illegal meeting with a person in the U.S. for Ibo ...LOL > > It is as if the guy is trying to bait some fool in by saying "money is no > object", "I have more than I can spend" > ... Just tell me where to go to get that illegal treatment.... > > What are we missing????? ... pretty obvious to me .... sounds like a Narc > ...LOL > > Ted > > -----Original Message----- > From: ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com [mailto:ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com] > On > Behalf Of Howard Lotsof > Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 9:11 PM > To: The Ibogaine List > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] stop the fightinf and do somethin productive > > If it is a question of getting busted by your parole officer for > using heroin or getting treated with ibogaine in Mexico, I would opt > for Mexico. Enough money to fund an ibogaine lab in Africa but, not > enough to figure out how to get to an ibogaine clinic in Mexico. > What am I missing? > > Exactly how many grams is "several" of root bark? Most likely it is > too little to do anything significant for you. > > Howard > > > On Jul 3, 2008, at 2:12 AM, Patrick Corbin wrote: > > > Ryan...I will send you as much money as you need to get started... > > But i need a provider in the U.S! Heroin is destroying my life!!! I > > know ibo will work for me...But no body on this list will tell me > > anything about it!! I am on parole so i can't leave the > > country...but money is not an issue for me.. I have more money than > > I can spend and I am extreamly interested in n ibo...I know it can > > save my life...I have had dreams about the bwiti telling me so and > > giving me the plant......before i even knew what it was!!! I > > researched it and found out about ibo...I know these dreams are a > > sign from some higher power....I know heroin is going to kill me or > > send me to prison for the rest of my life... And i have tried > > everything! Suboxone, methadone, rapid detox w/ naltroxone!! I know > > ibo is the answer but i dont have the means!! I have aquired > > several grams of root bark...but know body on here will tell me > > what to do with it! is there anyone in the U.S. that can help me??? > > Like i said...Money is not an issue! I need help! > > Thanks > > Patrick > > > > 2008/6/30 ryan beck : > > > > I thought this list was abut the dissemination of ibo and it's > > value as tool to help people addicted to drugs , but it has turned > > into a piss fest of egos there are a few that have valuable > > information regarding ibo. Namely Simon(who have the utmost respect > > for his knowledge and compassion). If all providers were as > > compassionate as Simon and Sara. Ibo would become more mainstream, > > Howard and Sara and a handful of others. This s not about us it is > > abut something bigger. Ibo has the potential to save 100,000 of > > thousands lives; and all I see is infighting This is bigger than > > all of our petty egos, Why can't we manufacture it n lab in (?) > > Gabon, I have a M.S in chemistry (and several. PhD in organic > > chemistry who would be more that happy to join said project), all > > we need would be to start a lab with the appropriate funds( the > > formula is very straight forward and it is rather simple) One could > > produce 100,000s doses a year. It should not cost more than $20 a > > dose. What is holding the movement back? Infighting! Personal > > vested interest? > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 6/29/08, Matt Shriver wrote: > > From: Matt Shriver > > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Simon Get a life!! > > To: "The Ibogaine List" > > Date: Sunday, June 29, 2008, 12:07 PM > > > > So what's all this about then and who are you again Paul? My only > > knowledge of you is through some rather hard to decipher posts, > > most recently advocating a rather dubious low dose, long term, > > ibogaine treatment for opiate addiction. Simon on the other hand > > has been around for a while and while he is certainly no more the > > authority on all things ibogaine than anyone else here, he speaks > > from experience and geniuine concern for addicts. Where exactly > > are you coming from? "We are laughing' seriously laughing" and > > "Silly little child that you are'" is contributing how exactly? > > And since I am asking you all these questions, who is "we"? Your > > posts are full of "we this" and "we that" and I can't tell if you > > legitimately are representing the views of additional people or > > just don't grasp what the word "we" means. I don't say this to be > > so much confrontational as your post seems clearly intent on being, > > but to support Simon who I respect. > > > > Matt > > > > Paul Brookshaw wrote: > >> > >> Simon' > >> > >> Is a very manipulative so called spirtual healer' with no psychic > >> tools to fight with' > >> Because he has no psychic tools to fight with' his jeliously and > >> twistedness of other folks has reduced him to writting poison pen > >> letters' > >> Is this is a mark of a seriously good healer' one that knows > >> himself intimately' > >> > >> Obviously doubtful' > >> > >> Seriously low, Si! like a little child that has never got their > >> own way' > >> > >> Oh my is that the best you can do bro! > >> > >> Ha ha ha > >> > >> We are untouchable by you ' becaue you have no tools' > >> > >> If you wish warefare' Tata says bring it on' > >> It shall never be pretty' War never is!! > >> > >> Be warned as you so warned us on tribes' that we would be sorry' > >> is this your answer Si! > >> > >> > >> > >> Grow up little Nzegho' > >> > >> Learn of who you are an stop bitching at other folks so as to feel > >> good in yourself' that you can never know of what we know' > >> > >> Cry baby Simon!! > >> > >> > >> To note folks' we shall always send you clients and share openly > >> of our findings' so as to futher the road of Iboga' > >> > >> We shall never have to stoop like Simon has' because we know of > >> who we are' > >> > >> Know thyself Simon' > >> > >> GET A LIFE > >> > >> To the list' be very careful of this little man' he lives in a > >> veil of jeliousies' of which twist him up' and he knows no way of > >> releasing the said energies' > >> > >> Sad really' > >> > >> > >> And now' > >> > >> Big grins behind dark sunglasses' > >> > >> We are laughing' seriously laughing Ha ha ha > >> hahahahahahaahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahaha > >> > >> Learn some stuff about who you are Si! > >> > >> Leave folks alone to their own devises' > >> > >> Silly little child that you are' > >> > >> Oh my > >> > >> The stupidity of jeliously' > >> > >> you must be really hurting Simon' > >> > >> Oh my' > >> > >> he he he > >> > >> > >> Pa' Omoju Gede Nganga > >> > >> Pa' Motumba' > >> > >> Bliss and blessings to the list this fine day :) > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Campeche Simon' > >> Santo Simon' > >> > >> Get 5GB of online storage for free! 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URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080707/4d3f55f1/attachment.htm From bradleyheathhays at gmail.com Mon Jul 7 18:25:24 2008 From: bradleyheathhays at gmail.com (Brad Hays) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 18:25:24 -0400 Subject: [Ibogaine] Concerning that Patrick guy about Parole.... and Not being able to leave the country In-Reply-To: <2295c4ad0807071441w53cd0e0bpe1f4ea2ab69ef252@mail.gmail.com> References: <4867CF6A.3080803@gmail.com> <629028.28290.qm@web54304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <2295c4ad0807022312i3bd7ac3cxe8a78fd15079c7c5@mail.gmail.com> <4348985C-D99D-4925-B9DD-ED9E1ACBA8C5@phantom.com> <000601c8df09$3469fc80$9d3df580$@com> <2295c4ad0807071441w53cd0e0bpe1f4ea2ab69ef252@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1f5488f0807071525y2053bed4ged47c30784312e00@mail.gmail.com> Dude get on google earth and scan the US Canadian border starting all the way west and coming east. There's TONS of roads going back and forth unguarded. It takes no ingenuity to get across that boarder undetected. On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 5:41 PM, Patrick Corbin wrote: > Dude that is fucked up ...I am not a narc...Money is not a problem for me > because I own 3 landscaping businesses and I have plenty of family > money...but what I am saying is that I am willing to spend any amount of > money to kick this habit!!! I;ve spent Thousands of dollars already on > various treatments and if ibo is the cure than no amount is to much...that > is what i am saying...That is messed up how every one is so egotistical here > that when I come sincerely asking for help putting my future in the hands of > strangers who are supposedly here to help people..you call me names and make > fun of me...Thank You I really do need help though so if anyone can please > help me I will be forever greatful > > > On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 8:39 PM, Albert T. Mason III < > ted at masonenterprises.com> wrote: > >> Hey Howard, >> >> I emailed that guy and told him I don't think anyone on the list wants to >> implicate themselves >> in facilitating an Illegal meeting with a person in the U.S. for Ibo >> ...LOL >> >> It is as if the guy is trying to bait some fool in by saying "money is no >> object", "I have more than I can spend" >> ... Just tell me where to go to get that illegal treatment.... >> >> What are we missing????? ... pretty obvious to me .... sounds like a Narc >> ...LOL >> >> Ted >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com [mailto:ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com] >> On >> Behalf Of Howard Lotsof >> Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 9:11 PM >> To: The Ibogaine List >> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] stop the fightinf and do somethin productive >> >> If it is a question of getting busted by your parole officer for >> using heroin or getting treated with ibogaine in Mexico, I would opt >> for Mexico. Enough money to fund an ibogaine lab in Africa but, not >> enough to figure out how to get to an ibogaine clinic in Mexico. >> What am I missing? >> >> Exactly how many grams is "several" of root bark? Most likely it is >> too little to do anything significant for you. >> >> Howard >> >> >> On Jul 3, 2008, at 2:12 AM, Patrick Corbin wrote: >> >> > Ryan...I will send you as much money as you need to get started... >> > But i need a provider in the U.S! Heroin is destroying my life!!! I >> > know ibo will work for me...But no body on this list will tell me >> > anything about it!! I am on parole so i can't leave the >> > country...but money is not an issue for me.. I have more money than >> > I can spend and I am extreamly interested in n ibo...I know it can >> > save my life...I have had dreams about the bwiti telling me so and >> > giving me the plant......before i even knew what it was!!! I >> > researched it and found out about ibo...I know these dreams are a >> > sign from some higher power....I know heroin is going to kill me or >> > send me to prison for the rest of my life... And i have tried >> > everything! Suboxone, methadone, rapid detox w/ naltroxone!! I know >> > ibo is the answer but i dont have the means!! I have aquired >> > several grams of root bark...but know body on here will tell me >> > what to do with it! is there anyone in the U.S. that can help me??? >> > Like i said...Money is not an issue! I need help! >> > Thanks >> > Patrick >> > >> > 2008/6/30 ryan beck : >> > >> > I thought this list was abut the dissemination of ibo and it's >> > value as tool to help people addicted to drugs , but it has turned >> > into a piss fest of egos there are a few that have valuable >> > information regarding ibo. Namely Simon(who have the utmost respect >> > for his knowledge and compassion). If all providers were as >> > compassionate as Simon and Sara. Ibo would become more mainstream, >> > Howard and Sara and a handful of others. This s not about us it is >> > abut something bigger. Ibo has the potential to save 100,000 of >> > thousands lives; and all I see is infighting This is bigger than >> > all of our petty egos, Why can't we manufacture it n lab in (?) >> > Gabon, I have a M.S in chemistry (and several. PhD in organic >> > chemistry who would be more that happy to join said project), all >> > we need would be to start a lab with the appropriate funds( the >> > formula is very straight forward and it is rather simple) One could >> > produce 100,000s doses a year. It should not cost more than $20 a >> > dose. What is holding the movement back? Infighting! Personal >> > vested interest? >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > --- On Sun, 6/29/08, Matt Shriver wrote: >> > From: Matt Shriver >> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Simon Get a life!! >> > To: "The Ibogaine List" >> > Date: Sunday, June 29, 2008, 12:07 PM >> > >> > So what's all this about then and who are you again Paul? My only >> > knowledge of you is through some rather hard to decipher posts, >> > most recently advocating a rather dubious low dose, long term, >> > ibogaine treatment for opiate addiction. Simon on the other hand >> > has been around for a while and while he is certainly no more the >> > authority on all things ibogaine than anyone else here, he speaks >> > from experience and geniuine concern for addicts. Where exactly >> > are you coming from? "We are laughing' seriously laughing" and >> > "Silly little child that you are'" is contributing how exactly? >> > And since I am asking you all these questions, who is "we"? Your >> > posts are full of "we this" and "we that" and I can't tell if you >> > legitimately are representing the views of additional people or >> > just don't grasp what the word "we" means. I don't say this to be >> > so much confrontational as your post seems clearly intent on being, >> > but to support Simon who I respect. >> > >> > Matt >> > >> > Paul Brookshaw wrote: >> >> >> >> Simon' >> >> >> >> Is a very manipulative so called spirtual healer' with no psychic >> >> tools to fight with' >> >> Because he has no psychic tools to fight with' his jeliously and >> >> twistedness of other folks has reduced him to writting poison pen >> >> letters' >> >> Is this is a mark of a seriously good healer' one that knows >> >> himself intimately' >> >> >> >> Obviously doubtful' >> >> >> >> Seriously low, Si! like a little child that has never got their >> >> own way' >> >> >> >> Oh my is that the best you can do bro! >> >> >> >> Ha ha ha >> >> >> >> We are untouchable by you ' becaue you have no tools' >> >> >> >> If you wish warefare' Tata says bring it on' >> >> It shall never be pretty' War never is!! >> >> >> >> Be warned as you so warned us on tribes' that we would be sorry' >> >> is this your answer Si! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Grow up little Nzegho' >> >> >> >> Learn of who you are an stop bitching at other folks so as to feel >> >> good in yourself' that you can never know of what we know' >> >> >> >> Cry baby Simon!! >> >> >> >> >> >> To note folks' we shall always send you clients and share openly >> >> of our findings' so as to futher the road of Iboga' >> >> >> >> We shall never have to stoop like Simon has' because we know of >> >> who we are' >> >> >> >> Know thyself Simon' >> >> >> >> GET A LIFE >> >> >> >> To the list' be very careful of this little man' he lives in a >> >> veil of jeliousies' of which twist him up' and he knows no way of >> >> releasing the said energies' >> >> >> >> Sad really' >> >> >> >> >> >> And now' >> >> >> >> Big grins behind dark sunglasses' >> >> >> >> We are laughing' seriously laughing Ha ha ha >> >> hahahahahahaahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahaha >> >> >> >> Learn some stuff about who you are Si! >> >> >> >> Leave folks alone to their own devises' >> >> >> >> Silly little child that you are' >> >> >> >> Oh my >> >> >> >> The stupidity of jeliously' >> >> >> >> you must be really hurting Simon' >> >> >> >> Oh my' >> >> >> >> he he he >> >> >> >> >> >> Pa' Omoju Gede Nganga >> >> >> >> Pa' Motumba' >> >> >> >> Bliss and blessings to the list this fine day :) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Campeche Simon' >> >> Santo Simon' >> >> >> >> Get 5GB of online storage for free! 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URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080707/9dbdaa4f/attachment-0001.htm From mlangshaw67 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 7 18:53:11 2008 From: mlangshaw67 at yahoo.com (michael langshaw) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 15:53:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Ibogaine] 4 months clean In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <722078.98678.qm@web44906.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Keep up tje good work --- On Mon, 7/7/08, Matthew Zielinski wrote: From: Matthew Zielinski Subject: [Ibogaine] 4 months clean To: ibogaine at mindvox.com Date: Monday, July 7, 2008, 12:16 PM #yiv14973536 .hmmessage P { margin:0px;padding:0px;} #yiv14973536 { FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma;} This wed is going to be 4 months!! ? Like I said before I never really passed the 3 week period so this is a big deal!! ? I took a booster dose of rootbark about 3 weeks ago.? This had an incredible effect on me.? Not only did the cravings completly vanished, but my mental clarity and my thinking process become very sharp and?extreemly positive again. ? The worst time for me was during the 6-8 week period when the metabolites began to disintegrate into the beautiful void, and I was faced with my self again.??That period?was very confusing and I strugled hard to?get a grip on the powerfull cravings which overpowered my daily living.? ? ? After the booster dose 3 weeks ago I feel like a huge weight has been lifted from my shoulders.? Its like I finally FINALY?know I can beat this shit. ? It feels amazing and empowering?to enjoy the?summer without taking anything to have a smile on my face!! ? But yes it does involve a lot of self discipline, will power and al the other good stuff that goes with it ? ;-))))) ? ? ? -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080707/f4e637ab/attachment.htm From ouivalerie at yahoo.com Mon Jul 7 23:20:17 2008 From: ouivalerie at yahoo.com (valerie) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 20:20:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Digest, Vol 10, Issue 308 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <324198.82450.qm@web38103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Debts and Anger: I see the broken bong issue and the replacement is the responsibility of the one who broke it. But they seldom want to pay it forward, if you forgive them they often look you up and pay one day when they figure it out...ESPECIALLY the addicts living in the moment and try and get on over on anyone and everyone...I think ibogaine would work better if you don't?hang on to?the past.? All the people that got robbed in their homes, and can't sue the addict...they are out there too...the addict is so well known to say and do ANYTHING for the next fix alone...scared of pain...drug always comes first.? SO CRAZY to assume and put people out with the burden of ?illegal.??Homeowners and renters can't help you break the law 3 times a day, 3 fixes a day....what a lot of burden to the leaseholder, and homeowners...to worry about losing a home.? THEY DO TAKE THE HOMES AWAY ON THIS OFTEN!!!? THE DOPE DEALER should supply a place for this shit like the bars do for liquor!? If this isn't reason enough to get your ibogaine, and work and pay to stay off illegal drugs so your world doesn't get real secret, sneaky?and small, then I gotta say, the person may deserve the great pain, because what do they think they are to other's?? An asset they are not!...? I can see they don't know...their KARMA is getting worse and longer to repent...each fix...is a block on your responsibility to get off the stuff or move out on the street and take your staph infection, sugar cravings,?cellulitis, hepatitis, and diabetes?with you!? Scream that everybody is mean and nasty and learn...that's what you get for day after day after day of bothering?people with intent to be doing nothing but drugs?when only certain seedy, sneaky, persons and carrier pidgeons can be your friends.??How we keep our home is to?get rid of dope...Sure?addicts want to hope things are none of the buisness of the neighbors, police, and hide under privacy laws, taking advantage of a respected straight person.?They want just one more fix, just one more day...just pay for dope and STIFF OR IGNORE anyone else that needs money from them. WHY can't they see how?RUDE the drug has made them how deep into taking though aggressive begging, even stealing? It's a path to little help from people ?except from the snotty?young runners that think the big dope man is going to make them rich one day...so your have to put up with their plans to be a big criminal, so you not doing them any real favors to tie up their time on a bad path for themselves to earn money. Circumstances are what they are, some things can't change anytime soon so...it's so important to take ibogaine and be over with this drug even the doctor's can't get it for anyone....and all the people that the addict clicks with are hurting all the people you can be real with because they are sneakily depending on you to be their friend, their buisness, and their territory, while your real life with people that enjoy who you are, ?is slipping away into something that didn't need to be, the drug is a great kidnapper, I'm not saying people can't have it once a month for a good time... but I can see the addicts are such hardcore mindsets...who often?don't want to live anyway...they don't like what they have... no more, if that sounds like poor english I mean to say, what they have is NO MORE other than the opportunity to learn to give...try being a 24/7 mother and find out...what you get...giving works out for the better after all. My mom died of horrible pancreatic cancer(the most painful one known), the worst one ever seen, ON NO DRUGS BUT ASPIRIN! She knew how to give and conquer mind over matter. ~ouivalerie at yahoo.com --- On Fri, 6/27/08, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote: From: ibogaine-request at mindvox.com Subject: Ibogaine Digest, Vol 10, Issue 308 To: ibogaine at mindvox.com Date: Friday, June 27, 2008, 11:42 AM Send Ibogaine mailing list submissions to ibogaine at mindvox.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ibogaine-request at mindvox.com You can reach the person managing the list at ibogaine-owner at mindvox.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Ibogaine digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Leo Finegold?Dana get a life (Dana Beal) 2. Re: USA and AIDS (j0n at just-say-know.org) 3. Re: qualities around the world/NYC-chi-town (Paul Brookshaw) 4. Re: Leo Finegold?Dana get a life (Nelson Comerci) 5. Re: alternative to opiate or addictive pain medication (Luke Christoffersen) 6. Re: qualities around the world/NYC-chi-town (simon loxton) 7. NSAID anti-inflammatorys (Luke Christoffersen) 8. Re: qualities around the world/NYC-chi-town (Paul Brookshaw) 9. Re: Ibogaine Re: OT (Matt Shriver) 10. Re: Ibogaine Digest, Vol 10, Issue 305 (Jeremy Spence) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:54:27 -0400 From: Dana Beal Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold?Dana get a life To: The Ibogaine List Message-ID: <771594A7-654D-48E3-9D50-EC85A8314AB1 at phantom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yeah, but to continue the sniping and innuendo for years over a broken BONG? The point is that this can't be settled privately. It's been tried numerous times. I want Sara to cease and desist. I'm appealing to a jury of my peers--the LIst--for a settlement of this dispute. Dana/cnw On Jun 27, 2008, at 11:01 AM, Brad Hays wrote: > I don't give a shit. Get this crap off the list and deal with it > yourselves. You both have each other's emails. Get together and > be done with it. This ain't a freakin circus. Any more postings > here and you're both just wanting everyone else to see what you > have to say between yourselves. Have yall forgotten this is going > out to 7000+ people? How old are you guys anyway? > > > On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 10:24 AM, Dana Beal wrote: > Other folks, looking at the fix I'm in, are forgiving claims for > broken bongs. > > Dana/cnw > > On Jun 27, 2008, at 9:37 AM, Sara Glatt wrote: > > >> > > Dana, > > > > the amount of money is nothing to do with Preston and is not > > important, > > with any amount I will not feel ignored or lied to. > > > > it is your gesture to show some respect to yourself and me, that > > you can > > keep your words. > > > > it is strange that you write my name on your MMM list with amount > > of money > > for a treatment with me, but then you don't know how much you > > should give > > back. > > if only you paid 1/4 of Denny lane treatment.(2003) you have > forgotten > > that he broke a 300$ worth of coloured glass pipe , which I never > > asked > > one cent for. > > > > that's all now, until next year. > > > > Sara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NIck, > >> > >> Sara is being disingenuous. Why doesn't she give the list an > itemized > >> list of moneys that I'm supposed to owe her? > >> > >> Then I will check with the persons in question to find out if they > >> remember it being paid at the time. > >> > >> It's a long time ago, and I don't remember all the details. > >> > >> I think you will find that it's all about the theory that I owe her > >> some fantastic amount in punitive damages for the trouble Todd and > >> Dolly caused her. > >> > >> Dimitri tried working this out, and after I sought to pay her > off and > >> she simply applied everything to Preston's treatment, he > concluded no > >> amount of money would satisfy her. > >> > >> (That was one expensive treatment.) > >> > >> BTW, it's interesting that she concurs with Alex Wodak and Stign > >> Gossens that scientific evidence of ibogaine efficacy should be > >> excluded from international conferences -- because I'm not supposed > >> to go to any conferences present it as long as I haven't satisfied > >> her demands, remember? > >> > >> Dr. Ken doesn't want to go to the international meth conference in > >> Prague. > >> > >> Dana/cnw > >> > >> On Jun 27, 2008, at 7:37 AM, Nick Sandberg wrote: > >> > >>> Hi Dana and Sara, > >>> > >>> How about you also write what you appreciate about each other as > >>> well as all > >>> the bitchy stuff? Just to bring in a bit of balance. > >>> > >>> Nick > >>> > >>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com [mailto:ibogaine- > >>>> bounces at mindvox.com] > >>>> On Behalf Of Sara Glatt > >>>> Sent: 26 June 2008 22:56 > >>>> To: The Ibogaine List > >>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold?Dana get a life > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> No Dana is not a bad boy but needs to be reminded of his promises > >>>> that is > >>>> > > > > > > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- > > (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) > > -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- > > > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- > (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) > -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- > > > > -- > ~~_/) ~~ > http://www.maps.org > > > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- > (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) > -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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That's only because the US has > become a fascist shite hole Charles.
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> > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- > (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) > -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 17:37:19 +0100 From: Paul Brookshaw Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] qualities around the world/NYC-chi-town To: The Ibogaine List Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The pupose of this forum is about Iboga/Ibogaine' To continue in drug seeking/ exchanging or stories of drug seeking' would show an inability to accept change' Our future must differ from our past' in order for our future to be different' from our past' (appreciated for that one Preston' it sorts out a lot) Exchange of these ideas privately by personal email would seem to be the only way foreward with Iboga/Ibogaine' Blessed Be Motamba Keep tracking the love ~ ~ Outside inside Outside Out! > From: dcollier9 at cox.net > To: ibogaine at mindvox.com > Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 17:40:55 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] qualities around the world/NYC-chi-town > > try Chicago much better quality than nyc, downstate (Decatur, Chatham) > Illinois is good too, if not better... > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Donzo > "Love converts hearts, and gives peace." > __________________________________________________ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Preston Peet" > To: "The Ibogaine List" > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 8:17 AM > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] qualities around the world/NYC > > > LOL!!! > Oh Sophia, > I too remember first arriving in NYC from a year spent busking and squatting > and shooting in London, and boy was I seriously disappointed in the > difference in quality between NYC and London's H. I was told at the N. > Exchange in LES to "be careful, some of the stuff around here is very > strong," so I got all excited before banging my first NYC bag- then was ever > so seriously disappointed after getting it in me. I was no longer sick, but > I was nowhere near high/stoned/satisfied. > Sigh. > > > > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- > (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) > -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- _________________________________________________________________ All new Live Search at Live.com http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000006ukm/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080627/9b9bed80/attachment-0001.htm ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:13:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Nelson Comerci Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold?Dana get a life To: The Ibogaine List Message-ID: <827899.94367.qm at web34502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii isn't capitalism how this whole human mess started? we all need to make a living. but some of us want to make a killing. sometimes you come ahead, sometimes you get behind. it really doesn't matter. and if anyone thinks it does, then there is homework to be done. lets please move on with the intention of cooperation for a greater good. humbling as it is, coming to a common point of understanding is very easy. just meet the other half way, not 49% and not 51%, just half way. you would be surprised what can be accomplished, fostering dignity and responsibility rather than resentment or guilt. dana i don't know you that well, but we put on the SF conference together a few years back. (i gladly lost $1,000 putting than great meeting together...) sara i have never met you but you were instrumental in helping me help many people in amerikkka who are still clean today. (it was a shame that you blew me off and never answered me why you were no longer offering...) long story short, as practitioners, facilitators, researchers, activists, mis-users, addicts, CIA, and whoever else is on this list....we are interested in this Plant Teacher because we deeply know it has truth and power beyond our human capabilities. what we do with the little bit of truth and power that sometimes rubs off on us as we do the good work (CIA excluded) is important. and bickering about cash, bongs, & idiot-narcs is not conducive to coming to a common point of understanding. sorry for the rant. Nelson Ivan Comerci Licensed Acupuncturist and Herbalist The Future Is History ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 18:23:47 +0100 From: "Luke Christoffersen" Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] alternative to opiate or addictive pain medication To: "The Ibogaine List" Message-ID: <4c90d90806271023r6e588cb6i7538ba2810c3f09e at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 What are the seven dragons? Can your body get a tolerance to acupuncture enduced endorphins? On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 2:05 AM, DC in AZ wrote: > I vouch for acupuncture too, but steer clear of the seven dragons, which > wore me out, and I caught > a head cold, smile. acupuncture, if done right, and gets a 'rise' out of ya, > by getting stuck in a certain > way in certain places, will send the endorphins rushin in fer sure, but too > many for too long is what wears you out. > maybe only 6 dragons... > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Donzo > "Love converts hearts, and gives peace." > __________________________________________________ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sara Glatt" > To: "The Ibogaine List" > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 3:45 PM > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] alternative to opiate or addictive pain medication > > >> Acupuncture helped me from chronic rheumatic pains + Sallaki ointment. >> > > > > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- > (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) > -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 17:24:57 +0000 (GMT) From: simon loxton Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] qualities around the world/NYC-chi-town To: The Ibogaine List Message-ID: <926445.73559.qm at web28614.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Exchange of personal experience/stories of drug use or usage can help the individual to relate to another that has gone through the same or similar experiences. If this means progress through iboga or other means; progress is what we are looking for; but to judge some one on based on the type of drugs they take or talk about is discriminatory. Its no ones business what we do so long as it does not infringe on the rights of others; while having to face severe social judgment based solely on ones drug of choice. Maintenance with the option to treatment should one choose; and the freedom to choose the form of treatment. ----- Original Message ---- From: Paul Brookshaw To: The Ibogaine List Sent: Friday, 27 June, 2008 6:37:19 PM Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] qualities around the world/NYC-chi-town The pupose of this forum is about Iboga/Ibogaine' To continue in drug seeking/ exchanging or stories of drug seeking' would show an inability to accept change' Our future must differ from our past' in order for our future to be different' from our past' (appreciated for that one Preston' it sorts out a lot) Exchange of these ideas privately by personal email would seem to be the only way foreward with Iboga/Ibogaine' Blessed Be Motamba Keep tracking the love ~ ~ Outside inside Outside Out! > From: dcollier9 at cox.net > To: ibogaine at mindvox.com > Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 17:40:55 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] qualities around the world/NYC-chi-town > > try Chicago much better quality than nyc, downstate (Decatur, Chatham) > Illinois is good too, if not better... > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Donzo > "Love converts hearts, and gives peace." > __________________________________________________ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Preston Peet" > To: "The Ibogaine List" > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 8:17 AM > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] qualities around the world/NYC > > > LOL!!! > Oh Sophia, > I too remember first arriving in NYC from a year spent busking and squatting > and shooting in London, and boy was I seriously disappointed in the > difference in quality between NYC and London's H. I was told at the N. > Exchange in LES to "be careful, some of the stuff around here is very > strong," so I got all excited before banging my first NYC bag- then was ever > so seriously disappointed after getting it in me. I was no longer sick, but > I was nowhere near high/stoned/satisfied. > Sigh. > > > > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- > (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) > -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- ________________________________ Miss your Messenger buddies when on-the-go? Get Messenger on your Mobile! __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I was told at the N. > Exchange in LES to "be careful, some of the stuff around here is very > strong," so I got all excited before banging my first NYC bag- then was ever > so seriously disappointed after getting it in me. I was no longer sick, but > I was nowhere near high/stoned/satisfied. > Sigh. > > > > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- > (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) > -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000002ukm/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Warren Theriot wrote: > Matt, can I ask you some questions off list about Ibogaine treatments? > Warren > > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- > (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) > -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- > > ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:42:20 -0500 From: Jeremy Spence Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Digest, Vol 10, Issue 305 To: ibogaine at mindvox.com Message-ID: <18539209-BCE0-4FC4-BF88-E3A5FF87610A at mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes I can't use I lot of different medicine, they make my IC worse!! It has something to do with the drugs turning to acid in the body and most all drugs 99% do. I have to be on a really low acid diet and low acid lifestyle, for some strange reason the methadone does not bother me, why I really don't know, its has something to do with the acid thought. I have a really strange disease, its not well known! Its taken me 10 years to get my diet perfect!!! Yea, 10 years!! I can't take a lot of medicines, it sucks!! Its crazy!! You have no idea, I can't even explained to you!! I can't take much medicine at all, it will put me into more pain!! It's beyond what you even know!! Take take herbs, hardly can eat food, much less take medicine. I wish I could take other medicine them the methadone, or I would! I hate the methadone For some crazy ass reason, methadone is one of the only medicine that my bladder will tolerate, why I really don't for sure? Other then its not acidic, and most drugs natural and unrturn to acidy, Its a very complex problem! Some people who have IC can take a lot more then me, but through out the years I damaged the hell out it, by not really knowing what the hell to do! And it made the disease progress. The only reason I wondered about the iboga is if I healed up one day, for I hate coming off the damm methadone!! I done it the hard way too many times, and i hate it!!! Now, understand, I would not be able to take the iboga probably right now because my bladder is no where near strong enough yet, but i hope to one day beat what I am fighting with my IC! I extremely hard though!! I am not like a normal person who has pain, I can't just take what ever I want for it, my bladder does not have a ling on it, and almost everything bother its!! Drugs, chemicals, foods, I can't have preservatives, gluten, all kind of things that most people don't even think twice about putting in their bodies I can't have right now, its hardcore!! But after while, after I kill myself and work like a dog with my diet and everything, i slow do build up and can have more things(cheat), but I still can't just do that forever! I still got watch, I will probably always have to watch what I do for the rest of my life!! But the main reason I was asking info about iboga is because have gotten to place many time before where I have got pain free at times and can handle taking almost anything(being pretty close to normal, its just hard for to keep), its just I got to pick and choose what I take carefully, and for how long I take it, i can't take it forever, or my IC will come back again!! But I hopefully may get my IC into remission, but even if I do, I still won't be to take and do, and eat things without thinking about it, i will have to watch how much I do or my IC will come back and kill me again! I doing a lot for it right now, Dieting hardcore, vitamins IV's, MSM IV's, aloe vera, staying away from most all chemicals, also taking MSM orally, and instilling it in my bladder(I know crazy, but it helps) None this just cures me, but it helps, and hopefully it will put me back into remission!! I am trying to do other things a well(mean natural treatments), but I got to really watch what i take because my bladder is sooooooooooooooooo sensitive, I mean off the scale!!! It getting better though, because of everything I am doing, I been in reemission a few time before, but it comes back on me. I was would love to do some iboga to help me come off this when I get completely better, but the thing is if I did that, I would have to watch how long I took the stuff, for my IC can and will come back on me(its not just iboga, anything can basicely cause my ic to come back again, most drugs can and will cause my ic to come back, some kinds of food can do it to, most drugs, coffee, ect, ect, ect the list goes on and on, methadone seems to be one of the only drugs I take take without more pain, crazy I know!!!!!! I must stay on a really low acid lifestyle!! And most things are acid in this world!!! So you can understand what a fight I have!!! The goal is to get to point where I am out of free all the time and for long time, and then try to come off the methadone again. I like to try with iboga, maybe?? But my bladder would have to be strong enough to come off the methadone for many months, let alone the iboga. But I think it could be possible, because I been pretty close before, many times, I mean healed, its just that It comes back that all. But, I don't think I really ever been completely, completely , healed you know, I don't know, its a crazy disease, people have no idea, and you don't want to know either!! I wish i take a other drug other then methadone, but Every time I try to change drugs, my bladder goes nuts!!! My bladder is very sensitive to chemicals when I not healed up, but when i am healed some nothing bothers, well until my IC comes back I mean. It's took me many years to figure this thing all out, and it has not been easy, all trail and error!! so for all the info, hope I don't bother anybody, it I do, I am sorry, but its still about me trying iboga one day to come off methadone, and that's what I thought this board was for, iboga info and help, its it not??? Thanks to all trying to help See you JS On Jun 27, 2008, at 8:50 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote: > Send Ibogaine mailing list submissions to > ibogaine at mindvox.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > ibogaine-request at mindvox.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > ibogaine-owner at mindvox.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Ibogaine digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: How many grams one need coming off methadone with regular > Iboga root or bark?? (shelley krupa) > 2. Re: Leo Finegold?Dana get a life (Sara Glatt) > 3. Re: Leo Finegold?Dana get a life (Dana Beal) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 05:50:07 -0700 (PDT) > From: shelley krupa > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] How many grams one need coming off methadone > with regular Iboga root or bark?? > To: The Ibogaine List > Message-ID: <678421.20550.qm at web82104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hey Jeremy,sorry to hear about your IC,I'd probably try the > alternative health route(I learned acupuncture after I did > iboga),have you ever heard of kratom?I've read some ppl get off > opiates w/ it & get pain relief,however ,it can be addictive,but it > is legal,but I'm w/ preston,do what you need to,what about sub?- > seems like a person has more normalcy on it for chronic pain,-shell > > Sophia Depas wrote: here here! Quite agree > Preston! > > On 6/26/08, Preston Peet > wrote: >> Jeremy >> As a chronic pain patient, I can empathize. >> My two cents? Don't sweat being on methadone if it helps you deal >> with being alive and in so much pain. There's absolutely no reason >> why you should have to live with such pain if you have recourse to >> something that gives you some semblence of relief and the ability >> to survive.\ >> Being physically addicted sucks, but not nearly as much as trying >> to live drug free AND in agonizing pain, often what happens to us >> who are pain ridden yet living in a prohibitionistic society that >> tells us the ideal is to be drug free no matter what. >> Best to you, and good luck. >> Preston >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Jeremy Spence >> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com >> >> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 2:58:08 AM >> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] How many grams one need coming off >> methadone with regular Iboga root or bark?? >> >> I just was wondering??? >> >> I saw that sara house video, and say said she gave him 5 grams, is >> that 5 gram of Iboga, or 5 grams of Ibogaine??? >> Plus he was coming off weed, I am sure you would need a lot more for >> coming off methaodne would you not?? >> >> I am on methadone for choric pain, I hate taking it, and i have tired >> many, many times to get off, but my pain is so bad with the rare >> disease I have that I just can't do it. Its not the withdraw, that >> not the reason I can't get off the methadone, its the freak en pain. >> I hope to get my bladder disease in remission again, I am working my >> ass off with my diet and trying to doing everything possible to help >> myself heal, but I have a real bad case of IC(its a rare bladder >> disease, extremely painful, I mean like end stage cancer pain shit!!) >> >> I had it better a few times from working my ass off with the diet and >> natural treatments, supplements, ect, but I have so much damage from >> all the drugs the doctors gave me when they didn't not know what to >> do >> for me to eas my pain you know, but it end up causing more damage >> down >> the road. >> >> Now I am only on methadone, and no other drugs, methadone seems to be >> one of the only medicine that does not cause more damage to my >> bladder(I think because methadone does not turn to acid in the urine >> like most drugs do) I just got lucky finding a drug that I can take >> for pain, but I still hate taking it with a passion!!! >> >> >> I was asking about Iboga dosing for methadone, I just wondered about >> it that all??? I can't get off the methadone right now anyways >> because I am in too much pain right now, but one day i hope might be >> pain free, for I have been very close in the past, the only thing is >> my cond. likes to come back really easy, that's my main problem. >> >> However, even though, I can stand to withdraw off the methadone, >> because I done it so many times to come off it(longest I made it was >> about 4 months off. but my pain came back hardcore, and I had turn >> around and get back on it again, sucks ass), I don't like it very >> much. >> I trying to research everything I can about Iboga, so if one day I am >> heal enough, I would "maybe" see about trying to get some Iboga to >> freak en coming off the freak en methadone. I would rather use >> something natural to come off with anyways!!! Only thing is a live in >> the US(fuck up drug laws) But you know what I got to say about that, >> Fuck this gov!!!!! That what I got to say, These stupid ass DEA >> people can withdraw for 6 months and see how it's like coming off a >> drug they were force to get on because of pain!! It's not freak en >> fare that I should have to suffer, after what I have had to suffer >> already with my stupid disease!!! Those people can freak en go to >> hell!! That's Just my thought. My goal is to be on "NO medicine!!!" >> That's my long term goal. >> >> To all the people on here who don't have pain, Thank your lucky stars >> you don't I wish to God I didn't >> >> >> Any info >> Thanks for the help >> JS >> On Jun 26, 2008, at 12:33 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote: >> >>> Send Ibogaine mailing list submissions to >>> ibogaine at mindvox.com >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> ibogaine-request at mindvox.com >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> ibogaine-owner at mindvox.com >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> than "Re: Contents of Ibogaine digest..." >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. Re: Iboga films on Current TV (Mark Corcoran) >>> 2. Re: Leo Finegold? (Preston Peet) >>> 3. Re: Ibogaine Re: dogs (Warren Theriot) >>> 4. Re: Ibogaine Re: dogs (Matt Shriver) >>> 5. Re: Ibogaine Re: dogs (Warren Theriot) >>> 6. Re: Post this to the list ASAP (Sophia Depas) >>> 7. Re: Leo Finegold? (Sophia Depas) >>> 8. Re: Ibogaine Re: dogs (Matt Shriver) >>> 9. Re: Leo Finegold? (Sara Glatt) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 13:47:59 -0700 (PDT) >>> From: Mark Corcoran >>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga films on Current TV >> >>> To: The Ibogaine List >> >>> Message-ID: <205646.30154.qm at web45201.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" >>> >>> it worked. >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ---- >>> From: simon loxton >> >>> To: The Ibogaine List >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 4:04:32 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga films on Current TV >>> >>> >>> Do you have any say at all or are you just hoping for the best? >>> There is nothing worse in these types of situations than editors who >>> make the choice of what message they want to convey; I hope it works >>> for you and nothing gets used out of context. >>> I am sure it will be fine! >>> Where is it going to be shown? Is it like a channel 4 type thing? >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ---- >>> From: Nick Sandberg >> >>> To: The Ibogaine List >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, 25 June, 2008 9:54:23 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga films on Current TV >>> >>> >>> Don?t know. Probably I look a twat, and am edited to say something >>> terrible and be excommunicated. That?s my mindfuck, anyway. I so >>> hate myself in photos and movies also. Will be grueling to watch! >>> Apparently it?s called ?Tripping the Habit.? The film-maker Ed said >>> he had no choice in the title. >>> ? >>> Nick >>> ? >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> >>> From:ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com [mailto:ibogaine- >>> bounces at mindvox.com] On Behalf Of Randy Faulconer >>> Sent: 25 June 2008 19:34 >>> To: The Ibogaine List >>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga films on Current TV >>> ? >>> ??? GET DOWN WILLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We need all of the pub we can get. >>> I'm sure it is in a positive light isn't it Nick? >>> ? >>> ????????? Peace Love and Spotlights >>> ?????????????? Randy >>> On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 12:33 PM, simon loxton > > > wrote: >>> Nice one Nick; >>> >>> Look forward to it. >>> ? >>> ----- Original Message ---- >>> From: Nick Sandberg >>> To: Ibogaine List >>> Sent: Wednesday, 25 June, 2008 6:25:35 PM >>> Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga films on Current TV >>> There are a couple of ibogaine movies coming out on Current TV this >>> week, viewable online. (2 in one week, just like buses!). >>> ? >>> The first is about Sara's House and is already online at http://current.com/items/89043771_tripping_in_amsterdam >>> ? >>> The second is due out Thursday, tomorrow, and is by Ed Owles. Not >>> sure of the title but it's got me in it! Should be on this link >>> sometime Thursday or after www.current.com/wasted >>> ? >>> Nick >>> ? >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> >>> Sent from Yahoo! Mail. >>> A Smarter Email. >>> >>> >> >>> ?-=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- >> >>> (][%] ?:: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: ?[%][) >>> ?-=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- >> >>> ? >>> ________________________________ >>> Sent from Yahoo! Mail. >>> A Smarter Email. >>> >>> >>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080625/8d8b9890/attachment-0001.htm >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 2 >>> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:42:20 -0700 (PDT) >>> From: Preston Peet > >>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold? >> >>> To: The Ibogaine List >> >>> Message-ID: <347130.92289.qm at web63010.mail.re1.yahoo.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >>> >>> That's TERRIBLE! >>> Thanks for cluing us in. I'm so glad I didn't get that person >>> involved in my own history. >>> You look great in that video btw Sara, very happy and healthy. >>> Best to you and the kids. >>> Peace, love and as always Lotsof respect. >>> Preston >>> >> >>> ----- Original Message ---- >>> From: Sara Glatt >>> To: The Ibogaine List >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 1:29:25 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold? >>> >>> >>> Preston, >>> >>> yes, you got it right, the person got a placebo after he paid for a >>> treatment. >>> it is done in the US , I got the info by email, I don't know the >>> people >>> personally, but the email was written with a lot of pain which >>> made me >>> react, don't think anybody would want to write to me in person if >>> there >>> was nothing wrong. beside if I'll give you names I may get in >>> trouble and >>> I can't deal with more troubles then I'm already in from passed >>> years, >>> which is still in the European court for Human rights. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Then PLEASE Sara, >>>> Explain what you were talking about in your post about giving >>>> placebos >>>> then walking out with clients cash. Who did this, or did anyone? >>>> Are you >>>> posing a hypothetical? >>>> What were you talking about? >>>> Peace, >>>> Preston >>>> >>>> >> >>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>> From: Sara Glatt >>>> To: The Ibogaine List >> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 12:43:50 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I recall that Sara and Eric would bitch at each other in the >>>> past. I >>>>> haven't >>>>> followed all these posts, but these are serious allegations so I >>>>> think >>>>> it >>>>> is >>>>> not for innuendo, Sara. If you have something like this to say you >>>>> gotta >>>>> be >>>>> absolutely straight, elsewise for me it's more about you than >>>>> anyone >>>>> else. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Nick >>>>> >>>> Nick, >>>> >>>> I can't remember bitching about Eric Taub and never Eric Taub was >>>> bitching >>>> about me.? Eric is sending people to me regularly. >>>> >>>> I don't know who Leo Finegold is, But I do feel for someone who >>>> gets >>>> ripped off. >>>> >>>> where there is fire there is smoke. that's bizarre thing to say, >>>> hey! >>>> >>>> please Nick don't use the word IF as I'm not a child anymore, to my >>>> knowledge there is freedom of speech and freedom of opinion, take >>>> it or >>>> leave it. >>>> >>>> Sara >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> ? _____ >>>>> >>>>> From: ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com [mailto:ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com >>>>> ] >>>>> On >>>>> Behalf Of Matt Shriver >>>>> Sent: 24 June 2008 01:23 >>>>> To: The Ibogaine List >>>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Agreed.? the original message didn't make a lot of sense to begin >>>>> with >>>>> and >>>>> then Sara's remarks may or may not have had anything to do with >>>>> the >>>>> original >>>>> message and since no-one who knows wtf any of this is about feels >>>>> like >>>>> elaborating I think it would be completely irresponsible to go off >>>>> shit >>>>> talking Eric or anyone else.? If someone has a real issue with >>>>> someone >>>>> else >>>>> then they should come right out and say it.? Sideways talk and >>>>> innuendo >>>>> is >>>>> not productive. >>>>> >>>>> Matt >>>>> >>>>> m.finman wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Maybe it has nothing to do with anyone who works with Eric and the >>>>> underground, who I have the highest regard and praise for,? maybe >>>>> there >>>>> could be some unscrupulous junkie type representing themselves as >>>>> such >>>>> and >>>>> scamming and ripping off but aside from all that I don't believe >>>>> the >>>>> original message to leo finegold had anything to do with ripping >>>>> off >>>>> necessarily....sounded like one really disgruntled unhappy person >>>>> trying >>>>> to >>>>> make contact.? ? So I am not going to try and fill in 99.99% of >>>>> the >>>>> blanks >>>>> that could complete this scenario.? This is how the telephone game >>>>> from >>>>> kindergarten worked as well. >>>>> Just my view on things, >>>>> Martee >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Krista Vaughan"? >>>>> >>>>> To: "The Ibogaine List"? >>>>> >>>>> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 6:19 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Before everyone starts a lynching party, Sara often writes >>>>> bizarre, >>>>> cryptic messages lashing out at people. Maybe someone from the >>>>> underground who works with eric taub did rip someone off, but >>>>> isn't >>>>> Eric Taub at least somewhat respected and regarded as someone who >>>>> has >>>>> been working with ibogaine for a long time? >>>>> >>>>> Who is it that Eric is supposed to have done that to? That sounds >>>>> really mean and harsh. >>>>> >>>>> Love to all >>>>> >>>>> KV >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 4:55 PM, Charles Rossouw >>>>> >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hey Dave >>>>> >>>>> I have never seen his name, but according to the original post >>>>> by Mr >>>>> Goldstein, he may operate under a false name.? OOOHHH so >>>>> dangerous.? And >>>>> then Sara is not in any position to disclose his identity! >>>>> >>>>> Oh goodness.? I had to give in to the acute, but short, chuckle >>>>> again. >>>>> >>>>> Mr Finegold - Do NOT ever carry an odour of marijuana! >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> >>>>> Charles >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:26:03 -0400 >> >>>>> From: davebroc at gmail.com >>>>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com >> >>>>> Subject: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold? >>>>> >>>>> a dumb question mebbe, but after seeing 50 msgs about Leo Finegold >>>>> and >>>>> ripping off people who need treatment, i've got one question- who >>>>> the >>>>> fuck is leo finegold? does he post here??? >>>>> >>>>> -broc >>>>> >> >>>>> -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- >>>>> (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) >>>>> -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >> >>>>> ________________________________ >>>>> It's time to join the family - Get the next generation of Free >>>>> Windows >>>>> Live >>>>> Services now! 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[%][) >>> ? -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 3 >>> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:19:21 -0700 >>> From: Warren Theriot >>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Re: dogs >> >>> To: The Ibogaine List >> >>> Message-ID: <8EE5067D-402F-45DE-ACB7-848DAC05267B at ca.rr.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes >>> >>> My problem with the dog barking was resolved this morning. At the >>> animal services department, we both came to a mutual understanding >>> and >>> I don't hold any bad feelings against the dog or the neighbor now. >>> The >>> lady who ran the hearing was also very understanding of my point of >>> view unlike the person who arbitrated another meeting with another >>> neighbor 4 years ago. But the increased efforts of the neighbor to >>> keep his dog quiet after midnight the last 2 weeks has really helped >>> me to calm down so I didn't feel the need to keep pressing the issue >>> today after we talked it out. I still think the Iboga spirits have >>> helped the whole situation at least in my head. >>> >>> Peace, >>> Warren >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 4 >>> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:52:23 -0600 >>> From: Matt Shriver >>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Re: dogs >> >>> To: The Ibogaine List >> >>> Message-ID: <4862DA37.2080500 at gmail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >>> >>> Right on Warren. I'm glad to hear that. >>> >>> Matt >>> >>> Warren Theriot wrote: >>>> My problem with the dog barking was resolved this morning. At the >>>> animal services department, we both came to a mutual understanding >>>> and >>>> I don't hold any bad feelings against the dog or the neighbor now. >>>> The >>>> lady who ran the hearing was also very understanding of my point of >>>> view unlike the person who arbitrated another meeting with another >>>> neighbor 4 years ago. But the increased efforts of the neighbor to >>>> keep his dog quiet after midnight the last 2 weeks has really >>>> helped >>>> me to calm down so I didn't feel the need to keep pressing the >>>> issue >>>> today after we talked it out. I still think the Iboga spirits have >>>> helped the whole situation at least in my head. >>>> >>>> Peace, >>>> Warren >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- >>>> (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) >>>> -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 5 >>> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:03:09 -0700 >>> From: Warren Theriot >>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Re: dogs >> >>> To: The Ibogaine List >> >>> Message-ID: > > === message truncated === > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080627/ce9cf6c0/attachment-0001.htm > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:37:01 +0200 (CEST) > From: "Sara Glatt" > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold?Dana get a life > To: "The Ibogaine List" > Message-ID: <19664.80.127.42.14.1214573821.squirrel at webmail.xs4all.nl> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > >> > Dana, > > the amount of money is nothing to do with Preston and is not > important, > with any amount I will not feel ignored or lied to. > > it is your gesture to show some respect to yourself and me, that > you can > keep your words. > > it is strange that you write my name on your MMM list with amount of > money > for a treatment with me, but then you don't know how much you should > give > back. > if only you paid 1/4 of Denny lane treatment.(2003) you have forgotten > that he broke a 300$ worth of coloured glass pipe , which I never > asked > one cent for. > > that's all now, until next year. > > Sara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NIck, >> >> Sara is being disingenuous. Why doesn't she give the list an itemized >> list of moneys that I'm supposed to owe her? >> >> Then I will check with the persons in question to find out if they >> remember it being paid at the time. >> >> It's a long time ago, and I don't remember all the details. >> >> I think you will find that it's all about the theory that I owe her >> some fantastic amount in punitive damages for the trouble Todd and >> Dolly caused her. >> >> Dimitri tried working this out, and after I sought to pay her off and >> she simply applied everything to Preston's treatment, he concluded no >> amount of money would satisfy her. >> >> (That was one expensive treatment.) >> >> BTW, it's interesting that she concurs with Alex Wodak and Stign >> Gossens that scientific evidence of ibogaine efficacy should be >> excluded from international conferences -- because I'm not supposed >> to go to any conferences present it as long as I haven't satisfied >> her demands, remember? >> >> Dr. Ken doesn't want to go to the international meth conference in >> Prague. >> >> Dana/cnw >> >> On Jun 27, 2008, at 7:37 AM, Nick Sandberg wrote: >> >>> Hi Dana and Sara, >>> >>> How about you also write what you appreciate about each other as >>> well as all >>> the bitchy stuff? Just to bring in a bit of balance. >>> >>> Nick >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com [mailto:ibogaine- >>>> bounces at mindvox.com] >>>> On Behalf Of Sara Glatt >>>> Sent: 26 June 2008 22:56 >>>> To: The Ibogaine List >>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold?Dana get a life >>>> >>>> >>>> No Dana is not a bad boy but needs to be reminded of his promises >>>> that is >>>> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:49:34 -0400 > From: Dana Beal > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold?Dana get a life > To: The Ibogaine List > Message-ID: <32CD3357-C0A9-4556-96C9-95717736802D at phantom.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I want this all done publicly, so everything is absolutely clear, and > I don't get double-billed or hit with additional charges when I begin > to breath a sigh of relief because I think it's all cleared up. > > Tell them it's about Todd and Dolly, Sara. > > Dana/cnw > > On Jun 27, 2008, at 8:19 AM, Brad Hays wrote: > >> Dana and Sara I have a request of you guys too. I don't like this >> adversarial stuff around the ibo list and I'd like to see some >> unity, cause we all got too many adversaries to be fighting amongst >> ourselves. Would yall mind thinking about what you're thankful >> for? and what you're thankful for about each other? There are >> other ways of looking at this. This cause is bigger than any of us >> and is too great to let ourselves get side tracked by stuff like >> freakin money. If an ambiguous wrong was done years ago then I'm >> truly sorry, I am, but it has only been based on what ibo teaches >> us isn't to be worried about. Feel your hearts beating and think >> about where you personally want to go. Please let this subside no >> matter what the zeros. Thank you from everybody here. I've seen >> your faces and they're not meant to be against each other. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 7:37 AM, Nick Sandberg >> wrote: >> Hi Dana and Sara, >> >> How about you also write what you appreciate about each other as >> well as all >> the bitchy stuff? Just to bring in a bit of balance. >> >> Nick >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com [mailto:ibogaine- >> bounces at mindvox.com] >>> On Behalf Of Sara Glatt >>> Sent: 26 June 2008 22:56 >>> To: The Ibogaine List >>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold?Dana get a life >>> >>> >>> No Dana is not a bad boy but needs to be reminded of his promises >> that is >>> all. you can sweep the dirt under the carpet but it will not go way. >>> >>> >>>> Ooh Sarah >>>> >>>> You were one of the people who taught me when I started off with >>> Ibogaine. >>>> I still appreciate and remember your teachings. Also your >> unequalled >>>> hospitality when I visited you for a day 18 months or so ago. >>>> >>>> But - Dana being a bad boy? >>>> >>>> I also experienced his hospitality and his kindness. Albeit in >>> Washington >>>> DC, with the mother of his son and their family. We all chose >> to do >>> this >>>> thing. Lets just do it. Without the vibes that keep >> interfering with >>> our >>>> lives. >>>> >>>> Love and respect >>>> >>>> Charles> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 23:22:52 +0200> From: >> sara119 at xs4all.nl> >>>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold? >> Dana get >>> a >>>> life> > >> Dana,> > there is no excuse to blow up and throw >> shit at me> >>>> you probably know that a small amount of extract+treatment >> still cost >>> me> >>>> money, time, space, and energy which I can use for someone >> else.> > >>> please >>>> don't turn things around I'm not a fool, crazy or a lair.> > I >> have >>> talked >>>> to Denny lane and I'm not the only one who has problems with> your >>>> aggressive reactions, if you have paid for his treatment then >> he> would >>>> have known, but he doesn't and he is no dummy.> > Denny lane is >> saving >>>> money to come back here to do another iboga session> and pay >> for what >>> you >>>> haven't, because he is honest+he cares about me and> my family >> as much >>> as >>>> I for him.> > > I admit that it was stupid of me to trust you >> with Dolly >>>> and Todd, that> was my mistake, I never ever should have open >> my house >>> for >>>> those and other> demons, but then> 2012 is coming soon, the >> world as we >>>> know it will end and money will be> worthless.> > what >> reputation you >>>> have? I was told about your reputation by Jack Herer> who >> stayed here >>> for >>>> a week and other people from NORML, if anyone is doing> you >> wrong that >>>> yourself, if you approach people with kindness you will not> >> need to> >>> blow >>>> up like that assume things you have no prove of, get a life.> > >> Sara> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I paid in full for >> every one of >>>> those treatments except the 12> > steppers who turned you into >> the cops >>>> for growing pot. Paid in full.> > Every time. (Though how you >> could >>> charge >>>> full price for Aivia or> > Tracy doing a small amount of >> extract is >>>> troubling, to say the least.)> >> > You just want me to pay >> tens of >>>> thousands of dollars for Todd &> > Dolly, who you should have >> screened >>> out >>>> yourself. You should have> > sent them home the second it >> became clear >>>> that they wanted to move in> > on you and they had no intention >> of doing >>>> the ibogaine.> >> > I don't refer people to you any more >> because I do >>> only >>>> the most> > cursory screening on the phone, and I cannot be >> responsible >>>> for> > completely unforeseeable events.> >> > I am not an >> insurance >>>> company.> >> > Except for Todd and Dolly, you can't even >> quantify how >>> much >>>> is owed.> > Because I sent the money, and then you claimed it >> didn't >>>> count. That> > it was still owed.> >> > Check with Preston, the >> last >>>> person to come from here. His was paid> > in full, for what >> good it >>> does.> >>>>>>> Of course, he could have pocketed the money.> >> > I'm >> really in a >>>> jam. I'm tired of being trashed by you. I will not> > pay you a >> cent >>>> further because of the damage you continue to do to my> > >> reputation.> >>>>> >>>>> I try to settle all reasonable claims. But I do not respond >> well to> > >>>> BLACKMAIL.> >> > I think you're making%2> > > -=[) ::::::: >> MindVox | >>>> Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=-> (][%] :: >>>> http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][)> -= >> [) :::: Change >>>> Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> Tired of having no room left in your inbox? Windows Live >> Hotmail now >>> gives >>>> you 5GB of FREE storage! 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URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080707/adea3a05/attachment-0001.htm From masterhermesbathory at gmail.com Tue Jul 8 00:11:23 2008 From: masterhermesbathory at gmail.com (Matthew Zielinski) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 21:11:23 -0700 Subject: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Digest, Vol 10, Issue 308 In-Reply-To: <324198.82450.qm@web38103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <324198.82450.qm@web38103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7498a6cc0807072111k32d68a33re59cf523cc483557@mail.gmail.com> Wow your posts never cease to amaze me...unreal!! ;-) On 7/7/08, valerie wrote: > > Debts and Anger: > > I see the broken bong issue and the replacement is the responsibility of > the one who broke it. But they seldom want to pay it forward, if you forgive > them they often look you up and pay one day when they figure it > out...ESPECIALLY the addicts living in the moment and try and get on over on > anyone and everyone...I think ibogaine would work better if you don't hang > on to the past. All the people that got robbed in their homes, and can't > sue the addict...they are out there too...the addict is so well known to say > and do ANYTHING for the next fix alone...scared of pain...drug always comes > first. SO CRAZY to assume and put people out with the burden of > illegal. Homeowners and renters can't help you break the law 3 times a > day, 3 fixes a day....what a lot of burden to the leaseholder, and > homeowners...to worry about losing a home. THEY DO TAKE THE HOMES AWAY ON > THIS OFTEN!!! THE DOPE DEALER should supply a place for this shit like the > bars do for liquor! If this isn't reason enough to get your ibogaine, and > work and pay to stay off illegal drugs so your world doesn't get real > secret, sneaky and small, then I gotta say, the person may deserve the great > pain, because what do they think they are to other's? An asset they are > not!... I can see they don't know...their KARMA is getting worse and longer > to repent...each fix...is a block on your responsibility to get off the > stuff or move out on the street and take your staph infection, sugar > cravings, cellulitis, hepatitis, and diabetes with you! Scream that > everybody is mean and nasty and learn...that's what you get for day after > day after day of bothering people with intent to be doing nothing but > drugs when only certain seedy, sneaky, persons and carrier pidgeons can be > your friends. How we keep our home is to get rid of dope...Sure addicts > want to hope things are none of the buisness of the neighbors, police, and > hide under privacy laws, taking advantage of a respected straight > person. They want just one more fix, just one more day...just pay for dope > and STIFF OR IGNORE anyone else that needs money from them. WHY can't they > see how RUDE the drug has made them how deep into taking though aggressive > begging, even stealing? It's a path to little help from people except from > the snotty young runners that think the big dope man is going to make them > rich one day...so your have to put up with their plans to be a big criminal, > so you not doing them any real favors to tie up their time on a bad path for > themselves to earn money. Circumstances are what they are, some things can't > change anytime soon so...it's so important to take ibogaine and be over with > this drug even the doctor's can't get it for anyone....and all the people > that the addict clicks with are hurting all the people you can be real with > because they are sneakily depending on you to be their friend, their > buisness, and their territory, while your real life with people that enjoy > who you are, is slipping away into something that didn't need to be, the > drug is a great kidnapper, I'm not saying people can't have it once a month > for a good time... > > but I can see the addicts are such hardcore mindsets...who often don't want > to live anyway...they don't like what they have... no more, if that sounds > like poor english I mean to say, what they have is NO MORE other than the > opportunity to learn to give...try being a 24/7 mother and find out...what > you get...giving works out for the better after all. My mom died of horrible > pancreatic cancer(the most painful one known), the worst one ever seen, ON > NO DRUGS BUT ASPIRIN! She knew how to give and conquer mind over matter. > > ~ouivalerie at yahoo.com > > --- On *Fri, 6/27/08, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com < > ibogaine-request at mindvox.com>* wrote: > > From: ibogaine-request at mindvox.com > Subject: Ibogaine Digest, Vol 10, Issue 308 > To: ibogaine at mindvox.com > Date: Friday, June 27, 2008, 11:42 AM > > Send Ibogaine mailing list submissions to > ibogaine at mindvox.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > ibogaine-request at mindvox.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > ibogaine-owner at mindvox.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Ibogaine digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Leo Finegold?Dana get a life (Dana Beal) > 2. Re: USA and AIDS (j0n at just-say-know.org) > 3. Re: qualities around the world/NYC-chi-town (Paul Brookshaw) > 4. Re: Leo Finegold?Dana get a life (Nelson Comerci) > 5. Re: alternative to opiate or addictive pain medication > (Luke Christoffersen) > 6. Re: qualities around the world/NYC-chi-town (simon loxton) > 7. NSAID anti-inflammatorys (Luke Christoffersen) > 8. Re: qualities around the world/NYC-chi-town (Paul Brookshaw) > 9. Re: Ibogaine Re: OT (Matt Shriver) > 10. Re: Ibogaine Digest, Vol 10, Issue 305 (Jeremy Spence) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:54:27 -0400 > From: Dana Beal > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold?Dana get a life > To: The Ibogaine List > Message-ID: <771594A7-654D-48E3-9D50-EC85A8314AB1 at phantom.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Yeah, but to continue the sniping and innuendo for years over a > broken BONG? > > The point is that this can't be settled privately. It's been tried > numerous times. I want Sara to cease and desist. > > I'm appealing to a jury of my peers--the LIst--for a settlement of > this dispute. > > Dana/cnw > > > On Jun 27, 2008, at 11:01 AM, Brad Hays wrote: > > > I don't give a shit. Get this crap off the list and deal with it > > yourselves. You both have each other's emails. Get together and > > be done with it. This ain't a freakin circus. Any more postings > > here and you're both just wanting everyone else to see what you > > have to say between yourselves. Have yall forgotten this is going > > out to 7000+ people? How old are you guys anyway? > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 10:24 AM, Dana Beal > wrote: > > Other folks, looking at the fix I'm in, are forgiving claims for > > broken bongs. > > > > Dana/cnw > > > > On Jun 27, 2008, at 9:37 AM, Sara Glatt wrote: > > > > >> > > > Dana, > > > > > > the amount of money is nothing to do with Preston and is not > > > important, > > > with any amount I will not feel ignored or lied to. > > > > > > it is your gesture to show some respect to yourself and me, that > > > you can > > > keep your words. > > > > > > it is strange that you write my name on your MMM list with amount > > > of money > > > for a treatment with me, but then you don't know how much you > > > should give > > > back. > > > if only you paid 1/4 of Denny lane treatment.(2003) you have > > forgotten > > > that he broke a 300$ worth of coloured glass pipe , which I never > > > asked > > > one cent for. > > > > > > that's all now, until next year. > > > > > > Sara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NIck, > > >> > > >> Sara is being disingenuous. Why doesn't she give the list an > > > itemized > > >> list of moneys that I'm supposed to owe her? > > >> > > >> Then I will check with the persons in question to find out if > they > > >> remember it being paid at the time. > > >> > > >> It's a long time ago, and I don't remember all the > details. > > >> > > >> I think you will find that it's all about the theory that I > owe her > > >> some fantastic amount in punitive damages for the trouble Todd > and > > >> Dolly caused her. > > >> > > >> Dimitri tried working this out, and after I sought to pay her > > off and > > >> she simply applied everything to Preston's treatment, he > > concluded no > > >> amount of money would satisfy her. > > >> > > >> (That was one expensive treatment.) > > >> > > >> BTW, it's interesting that she concurs with Alex Wodak and > Stign > > >> Gossens that scientific evidence of ibogaine efficacy should be > > >> excluded from international conferences -- because I'm not > supposed > > >> to go to any conferences present it as long as I haven't > satisfied > > >> her demands, remember? > > >> > > >> Dr. Ken doesn't want to go to the international meth > conference in > > >> Prague. > > >> > > >> Dana/cnw > > >> > > >> On Jun 27, 2008, at 7:37 AM, Nick Sandberg wrote: > > >> > > >>> Hi Dana and Sara, > > >>> > > >>> How about you also write what you appreciate about each other > as > > >>> well as all > > >>> the bitchy stuff? Just to bring in a bit of balance. > > >>> > > >>> Nick > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>> -----Original Message----- > > >>>> From: ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com [mailto:ibogaine- > > >>>> bounces at mindvox.com] > > >>>> On Behalf Of Sara Glatt > > >>>> Sent: 26 June 2008 22:56 > > >>>> To: The Ibogaine List > > >>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold?Dana get a life > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> No Dana is not a bad boy but needs to be reminded of his > promises > > >>>> that is > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- > > > (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) > > > -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- > > > > > > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- > > (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) > > -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- > > > > > > > > -- > > ~~_/) ~~ > > http://www.maps.org > > > > > > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- > > (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) > > -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080627/7925d2ff/attachment-0001.htm > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:01:20 -0600 (MDT) > From: j0n at just-say-know.org > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] USA and AIDS > To: "The Ibogaine List" > Message-ID: > <54467.71.206.29.227.1214582480.squirrel at mail.just-say-know.org> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > you make it sound like the fascism of the United States is some kinda > recent development... > > > > > btw, hi again everyone. been a while... > > > > j0n > > > >
That's only because the US has > > become a fascist shite hole Charles.
> > > > > > > > > >
> >
> > From :   Charles Rossouw > <pille at live.co.za >
> > Date :   Thu, 26 Jun 2008 19:38:50 > +0200
> > To :   The Ibogaine List > > <ibogaine at mindvox.com >
Subject : >   [Ibogaine] USA and > > AIDS
> >


> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just something that I picked up today, in an open letter by a spokesperson > > on HIV/AIDS:
> >  
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> > > > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- > > (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) > > -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 17:37:19 +0100 > From: Paul Brookshaw > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] qualities around the world/NYC-chi-town > To: The Ibogaine List > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > The pupose of this forum is about Iboga/Ibogaine' > > To continue in drug seeking/ exchanging or stories of drug seeking' would > show an inability to accept change' > Our future must differ from our past' in order for our future to be > different' from our past' > (appreciated for that one Preston' it sorts out a lot) > Exchange of these ideas privately by personal email would seem to be the only > way foreward with Iboga/Ibogaine' > > Blessed Be > > Motamba > > Keep tracking the love ~ ~ > > Outside inside Outside Out! > > > > > > > From: dcollier9 at cox.net > > To: ibogaine at mindvox.com > > Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 17:40:55 -0700 > > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] qualities around the world/NYC-chi-town > > > > try Chicago much better quality than nyc, downstate (Decatur, Chatham) > > Illinois is good too, if not better... > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Donzo > > "Love converts hearts, and gives peace." > > __________________________________________________ > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Preston Peet" > > To: "The Ibogaine List" > > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 8:17 AM > > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] qualities around the world/NYC > > > > > > LOL!!! > > Oh Sophia, > > I too remember first arriving in NYC from a year spent busking and > squatting > > and shooting in London, and boy was I seriously disappointed in the > > difference in quality between NYC and London's H. I was told at the N. > > > Exchange in LES to "be careful, some of the stuff around here is very > > > strong," so I got all excited before banging my first NYC bag- then > was ever > > so seriously disappointed after getting it in me. I was no longer sick, > but > > I was nowhere near high/stoned/satisfied. > > Sigh. > > > > > > > > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- > > (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) > > -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- > > _________________________________________________________________ > > All new Live Search at Live.com > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000006ukm/direct/01/ > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080627/9b9bed80/attachment-0001.htm > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:13:25 -0700 (PDT) > From: Nelson Comerci > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold?Dana get a life > To: The Ibogaine List > Message-ID: <827899.94367.qm at web34502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > isn't capitalism how this whole human mess started? > > we all need to make a living. > but some of us want to make a killing. > > sometimes you come ahead, sometimes you get behind. > > it really doesn't matter. > and if anyone thinks it does, then there is homework to be done. > > lets please move on with the intention of cooperation for a greater good. > > humbling as it is, coming to a common point of understanding is very easy. > just meet the other half way, not 49% and not 51%, just half way. > > you would be surprised what can be accomplished, fostering dignity and > responsibility rather than resentment or guilt. > > dana i don't know you that well, but we put on the SF conference together a > few years back. (i gladly lost $1,000 putting than great meeting together...) > > sara i have never met you but you were instrumental in helping me help many > people in amerikkka who are still clean today. (it was a shame that you blew me > off and never answered me why you were no longer offering...) > > long story short, as practitioners, facilitators, researchers, activists, > mis-users, addicts, CIA, and whoever else is on this list....we are interested > in this Plant Teacher because we deeply know it has truth and power beyond our > human capabilities. > > what we do with the little bit of truth and power that sometimes rubs off on us > as we do the good work (CIA excluded) is important. > > and bickering about cash, bongs, & idiot-narcs is not conducive to coming > to a common point of understanding. > > sorry for the rant. > > > > > > Nelson Ivan Comerci > Licensed Acupuncturist and Herbalist > > > The Future Is History > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 18:23:47 +0100 > From: "Luke Christoffersen" > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] alternative to opiate or addictive pain > medication > To: "The Ibogaine List" > Message-ID: > <4c90d90806271023r6e588cb6i7538ba2810c3f09e at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > What are the seven dragons? Can your body get a tolerance to > acupuncture enduced endorphins? > > > On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 2:05 AM, DC in AZ wrote: > > I vouch for acupuncture too, but steer clear of the seven dragons, which > > wore me out, and I caught > > a head cold, smile. acupuncture, if done right, and gets a 'rise' > out of ya, > > by getting stuck in a certain > > way in certain places, will send the endorphins rushin in fer sure, but > too > > many for too long is what wears you out. > > maybe only 6 dragons... > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Donzo > > "Love converts hearts, and gives peace." > > __________________________________________________ > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Sara Glatt" > > To: "The Ibogaine List" > > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 3:45 PM > > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] alternative to opiate or addictive pain medication > > > > > >> Acupuncture helped me from chronic rheumatic pains + Sallaki ointment. > >> > > > > > > > > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- > > (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) > > -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 17:24:57 +0000 (GMT) > From: simon loxton > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] qualities around the world/NYC-chi-town > To: The Ibogaine List > Message-ID: <926445.73559.qm at web28614.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Exchange of personal experience/stories of drug use or usage can help the > individual to relate to another that has gone through the same or similar > experiences. If this means progress through iboga or other means; progress is > what we are looking for; but to judge some one on based on the type of drugs > they take or talk about is discriminatory. > Its no ones business what we do so long as it does not infringe on the > rights of others; while having to face severe social judgment based solely > on ones drug of choice. Maintenance with the option to treatment should one > choose; and the freedom to choose the form of treatment. > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Paul Brookshaw > To: The Ibogaine List > Sent: Friday, 27 June, 2008 6:37:19 PM > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] qualities around the world/NYC-chi-town > > The pupose of this forum is about Iboga/Ibogaine' > > To continue in drug seeking/ exchanging or stories of drug seeking' would > show an inability to accept change' > Our future must differ from our past' in order for our future to be > different' from our past' > (appreciated for that one Preston' it sorts out a lot) > Exchange of these ideas privately by personal email would seem to be the only > way foreward with Iboga/Ibogaine' > > Blessed Be > > Motamba > > Keep tracking the love ~ ~ > > Outside inside Outside Out! > > > > > > > From: dcollier9 at cox.net > > To: ibogaine at mindvox.com > > Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 17:40:55 -0700 > > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] qualities around the world/NYC-chi-town > > > > try Chicago much better quality than nyc, downstate (Decatur, Chatham) > > Illinois is good too, if not better... > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Donzo > > "Love converts hearts, and gives peace." > > __________________________________________________ > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Preston Peet" > > To: "The Ibogaine List" > > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 8:17 AM > > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] qualities around the world/NYC > > > > > > LOL!!! > > Oh Sophia, > > I too remember first arriving in NYC from a year spent busking and > squatting > > and shooting in London, and boy was I seriously disappointed in the > > difference in quality between NYC and London's H. I was told at the N. > > > Exchange in LES to "be careful, some of the stuff around here is very > > > strong," so I got all excited before banging my first NYC bag- then > was ever > > so seriously disappointed after getting it in me. I was no longer sick, > but > > I was nowhere near high/stoned/satisfied. > > Sigh. > > > > > > > > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- > > (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) > > -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- > > ________________________________ > Miss your Messenger buddies when on-the-go? Get Messenger on your Mobile! > > > __________________________________________________________ > Not happy with your email address?. > Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at > Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080627/50404f7f/attachment-0001.htm > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 18:44:41 +0100 > From: "Luke Christoffersen" > Subject: [Ibogaine] NSAID anti-inflammatorys > To: "The Ibogaine List" > Message-ID: > <4c90d90806271044o7bb8808fw5561a32a9e55c19e at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Can NSAID painkillers be taken when using ibogaine? > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:10:28 +0100 > From: Paul Brookshaw > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] qualities around the world/NYC-chi-town > To: The Ibogaine List > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > The pupose of this forum is about Iboga/Ibogaine' > > To continue in drug seeking/ exchanging or stories of drug seeking' would > show an inability to accept change' > Our future must differ from our past' in order for our future to be > different' from our past' > (appreciated for that one Preston' it sorts out a lot) > Exchange of these ideas privately by personal email would seem to be the only > way foreward with Iboga/Ibogaine' > > Blessed Be > > Motamba > > Keep tracking the love ~ ~ > > Outside inside Outside Out! > > > > > > > From: dcollier9 at cox.net > > To: ibogaine at mindvox.com > > Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 17:40:55 -0700 > > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] qualities around the world/NYC-chi-town > > > > try Chicago much better quality than nyc, downstate (Decatur, Chatham) > > Illinois is good too, if not better... > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Donzo > > "Love converts hearts, and gives peace." > > __________________________________________________ > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Preston Peet" > > To: "The Ibogaine List" > > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 8:17 AM > > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] qualities around the world/NYC > > > > > > LOL!!! > > Oh Sophia, > > I too remember first arriving in NYC from a year spent busking and > squatting > > and shooting in London, and boy was I seriously disappointed in the > > difference in quality between NYC and London's H. I was told at the N. > > > Exchange in LES to "be careful, some of the stuff around here is very > > > strong," so I got all excited before banging my first NYC bag- then > was ever > > so seriously disappointed after getting it in me. I was no longer sick, > but > > I was nowhere near high/stoned/satisfied. > > Sigh. > > > > > > > > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- > > (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) > > -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- > > _________________________________________________________________ > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000002ukm/direct/01/ > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080627/25de5264/attachment-0001.htm > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:33:18 -0600 > From: Matt Shriver > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Re: OT > To: The Ibogaine List > Message-ID: <4865326E.9010406 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > If you mean me then yes. > > Warren Theriot wrote: > > Matt, can I ask you some questions off list about Ibogaine treatments? > > Warren > > > > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- > > (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) > > -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:42:20 -0500 > From: Jeremy Spence > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Digest, Vol 10, Issue 305 > To: ibogaine at mindvox.com > Message-ID: <18539209-BCE0-4FC4-BF88-E3A5FF87610A at mac.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > I can't use I lot of different medicine, they make my IC worse!! It > has something to do with the drugs turning to acid in the body and > most all drugs 99% do. I have to be on a really low acid diet and low > acid lifestyle, for some strange reason the methadone does not bother > me, why I really don't know, its has something to do with the acid > thought. > > I have a really strange disease, its not well known! Its taken me 10 > years to get my diet perfect!!! Yea, 10 years!! > > I can't take a lot of medicines, it sucks!! Its crazy!! You have no > idea, I can't even explained to you!! I can't take much medicine at > all, it will put me into more pain!! It's beyond what you even know!! > Take take herbs, hardly can eat food, much less take medicine. I wish > I could take other medicine them the methadone, or I would! I hate > the methadone > > For some crazy ass reason, methadone is one of the only medicine that > my bladder will tolerate, why I really don't for sure? > Other then its not acidic, and most drugs natural and unrturn to > acidy, Its a very complex problem! Some people who have IC can take > a lot more then me, but through out the years I damaged the hell out > it, by not really knowing what the hell to do! > And it made the disease progress. > > The only reason I wondered about the iboga is if I healed up one day, > for I hate coming off the damm methadone!! I done it the hard way too > many times, and i hate it!!! > > Now, understand, I would not be able to take the iboga probably right > now because my bladder is no where near strong enough yet, but i hope > to one day beat what I am fighting with my IC! I extremely hard though!! > > I am not like a normal person who has pain, I can't just take what > ever I want for it, my bladder does not have a ling on it, and almost > everything bother its!! Drugs, chemicals, foods, I can't have > preservatives, gluten, all kind of things that most people don't even > think twice about putting in their bodies I can't have right now, its > hardcore!! > > But after while, after I kill myself and work like a dog with my diet > and everything, i slow do build up and can have more things(cheat), > but I still can't just do that forever! I still got watch, I will > probably always have to watch what I do for the rest of my life!! > > But the main reason I was asking info about iboga is because have > gotten to place many time before where I have got pain free at times > and can handle taking almost anything(being pretty close to normal, > its just hard for to keep), its just I got to pick and choose what I > take carefully, and for how long I take it, i can't take it forever, > or my IC will come back again!! > > But I hopefully may get my IC into remission, but even if I do, I > still won't be to take and do, and eat things without thinking about > it, i will have to watch how much I do or my IC will come back and > kill me again! > > I doing a lot for it right now, Dieting hardcore, vitamins IV's, MSM > IV's, aloe vera, staying away from most all chemicals, also taking MSM > orally, and instilling it in my bladder(I know crazy, but it helps) > None this just cures me, but it helps, and hopefully it will put me > back into remission!! > > I am trying to do other things a well(mean natural treatments), but I > got to really watch what i take because my bladder is > sooooooooooooooooo sensitive, I mean off the scale!!! It getting > better though, because of everything I am doing, I been in reemission > a few time before, but it comes back on me. > > I was would love to do some iboga to help me come off this when I get > completely better, but the thing is if I did that, I would have to > watch how long I took the stuff, for my IC can and will come back on > me(its not just iboga, anything can basicely cause my ic to come back > again, most drugs can and will cause my ic to come back, some kinds of > food can do it to, most drugs, coffee, ect, ect, ect the list goes on > and on, methadone seems to be one of the only drugs I take take > without more pain, crazy I know!!!!!! I must stay on a really low acid > lifestyle!! And most things are acid in this world!!! So you can > understand what a fight I have!!! The goal is to get to point where I > am out of free all the time and for long time, and then try to come > off the methadone again. I like to try with iboga, maybe?? > > But my bladder would have to be strong enough to come off the > methadone for many months, let alone the iboga. But I think it could > be possible, because I been pretty close before, many times, I mean > healed, its just that It comes back that all. > But, I don't think I really ever been completely, completely , healed > you know, I don't know, its a crazy disease, people have no idea, and > you don't want to know either!! > > I wish i take a other drug other then methadone, but Every time I try > to change drugs, my bladder goes nuts!!! My bladder is very sensitive > to chemicals when I not healed up, but when i am healed some nothing > bothers, well until my IC comes back I mean. > It's took me many years to figure this thing all out, and it has not > been easy, all trail and error!! > > so for all the info, hope I don't bother anybody, it I do, I am sorry, > but its still about me trying iboga one day to come off methadone, and > that's what I thought this board was for, iboga info and help, its it > not??? > > Thanks to all trying to help > See you > JS > > On Jun 27, 2008, at 8:50 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote: > > > Send Ibogaine mailing list submissions to > > ibogaine at mindvox.com > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > ibogaine-request at mindvox.com > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > ibogaine-owner at mindvox.com > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Ibogaine digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: How many grams one need coming off methadone with regular > > Iboga root or bark?? (shelley krupa) > > 2. Re: Leo Finegold?Dana get a life (Sara Glatt) > > 3. Re: Leo Finegold?Dana get a life (Dana Beal) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 05:50:07 -0700 (PDT) > > From: shelley krupa > > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] How many grams one need coming off methadone > > with regular Iboga root or bark?? > > To: The Ibogaine List > > Message-ID: <678421.20550.qm at web82104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > Hey Jeremy,sorry to hear about your IC,I'd probably try the > > alternative health route(I learned acupuncture after I did > > iboga),have you ever heard of kratom?I've read some ppl get off > > opiates w/ it & get pain relief,however ,it can be addictive,but it > > is legal,but I'm w/ preston,do what you need to,what about sub?- > > seems like a person has more normalcy on it for chronic pain,-shell > > > > Sophia Depas wrote: here here! Quite agree > > Preston! > > > > On 6/26/08, Preston Peet > > wrote: > >> Jeremy > >> As a chronic pain patient, I can empathize. > >> My two cents? Don't sweat being on methadone if it helps you deal > > >> with being alive and in so much pain. There's absolutely no reason > > >> why you should have to live with such pain if you have recourse to > >> something that gives you some semblence of relief and the ability > >> to survive.\ > >> Being physically addicted sucks, but not nearly as much as trying > >> to live drug free AND in agonizing pain, often what happens to us > >> who are pain ridden yet living in a prohibitionistic society that > >> tells us the ideal is to be drug free no matter what. > >> Best to you, and good luck. > >> Preston > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ---- > >> From: Jeremy Spence > >> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com > >> > >> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 2:58:08 AM > >> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] How many grams one need coming off > >> methadone with regular Iboga root or bark?? > >> > >> I just was wondering??? > >> > >> I saw that sara house video, and say said she gave him 5 grams, is > >> that 5 gram of Iboga, or 5 grams of Ibogaine??? > >> Plus he was coming off weed, I am sure you would need a lot more for > >> coming off methaodne would you not?? > >> > >> I am on methadone for choric pain, I hate taking it, and i have tired > >> many, many times to get off, but my pain is so bad with the rare > >> disease I have that I just can't do it. Its not the withdraw, that > >> not the reason I can't get off the methadone, its the freak en > pain. > >> I hope to get my bladder disease in remission again, I am working my > >> ass off with my diet and trying to doing everything possible to help > >> myself heal, but I have a real bad case of IC(its a rare bladder > >> disease, extremely painful, I mean like end stage cancer pain shit!!) > >> > >> I had it better a few times from working my ass off with the diet and > >> natural treatments, supplements, ect, but I have so much damage from > >> all the drugs the doctors gave me when they didn't not know what > to > >> do > >> for me to eas my pain you know, but it end up causing more damage > >> down > >> the road. > >> > >> Now I am only on methadone, and no other drugs, methadone seems to be > >> one of the only medicine that does not cause more damage to my > >> bladder(I think because methadone does not turn to acid in the urine > >> like most drugs do) I just got lucky finding a drug that I can take > >> for pain, but I still hate taking it with a passion!!! > >> > >> > >> I was asking about Iboga dosing for methadone, I just wondered about > >> it that all??? I can't get off the methadone right now anyways > >> because I am in too much pain right now, but one day i hope might be > >> pain free, for I have been very close in the past, the only thing is > >> my cond. likes to come back really easy, that's my main problem. > >> > >> However, even though, I can stand to withdraw off the methadone, > >> because I done it so many times to come off it(longest I made it was > >> about 4 months off. but my pain came back hardcore, and I had turn > >> around and get back on it again, sucks ass), I don't like it very > > >> much. > >> I trying to research everything I can about Iboga, so if one day I am > >> heal enough, I would "maybe" see about trying to get some > Iboga to > >> freak en coming off the freak en methadone. I would rather use > >> something natural to come off with anyways!!! Only thing is a live in > >> the US(fuck up drug laws) But you know what I got to say about that, > >> Fuck this gov!!!!! That what I got to say, These stupid ass DEA > >> people can withdraw for 6 months and see how it's like coming off > a > >> drug they were force to get on because of pain!! It's not freak en > >> fare that I should have to suffer, after what I have had to suffer > >> already with my stupid disease!!! Those people can freak en go to > >> hell!! That's Just my thought. My goal is to be on "NO > medicine!!!" > >> That's my long term goal. > >> > >> To all the people on here who don't have pain, Thank your lucky > stars > >> you don't I wish to God I didn't > >> > >> > >> Any info > >> Thanks for the help > >> JS > >> On Jun 26, 2008, at 12:33 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote: > >> > >>> Send Ibogaine mailing list submissions to > >>> ibogaine at mindvox.com > >>> > >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > >>> http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine > >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' > to > >>> ibogaine-request at mindvox.com > >>> > >>> You can reach the person managing the list at > >>> ibogaine-owner at mindvox.com > >>> > >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more > specific > >>> than "Re: Contents of Ibogaine digest..." > >>> > >>> > >>> Today's Topics: > >>> > >>> 1. Re: Iboga films on Current TV (Mark Corcoran) > >>> 2. Re: Leo Finegold? (Preston Peet) > >>> 3. Re: Ibogaine Re: dogs (Warren Theriot) > >>> 4. Re: Ibogaine Re: dogs (Matt Shriver) > >>> 5. Re: Ibogaine Re: dogs (Warren Theriot) > >>> 6. Re: Post this to the list ASAP (Sophia Depas) > >>> 7. Re: Leo Finegold? (Sophia Depas) > >>> 8. Re: Ibogaine Re: dogs (Matt Shriver) > >>> 9. Re: Leo Finegold? (Sara Glatt) > >>> > >>> > >>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> > >>> Message: 1 > >>> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 13:47:59 -0700 (PDT) > >>> From: Mark Corcoran > >>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga films on Current TV > >> > >>> To: The Ibogaine List > >> > >>> Message-ID: <205646.30154.qm at web45201.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > >>> > >>> it worked. > >>> > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ---- > >>> From: simon loxton > >> > >>> To: The Ibogaine List > >> > >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 4:04:32 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga films on Current TV > >>> > >>> > >>> Do you have any say at all or are you just hoping for the best? > >>> There is nothing worse in these types of situations than editors > who > >>> make the choice of what message they want to convey; I hope it > works > >>> for you and nothing gets used out of context. > >>> I am sure it will be fine! > >>> Where is it going to be shown? Is it like a channel 4 type thing? > >>> > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ---- > >>> From: Nick Sandberg > >> > >>> To: The Ibogaine List > >> > >>> Sent: Wednesday, 25 June, 2008 9:54:23 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga films on Current TV > >>> > >>> > >>> Don?t know. Probably I look a twat, and am edited to say something > >>> terrible and be excommunicated. That?s my mindfuck, anyway. I so > >>> hate myself in photos and movies also. Will be grueling to watch! > >>> Apparently it?s called ?Tripping the Habit.? The film-maker Ed > said > >>> he had no choice in the title. > >>> ? > >>> Nick > >>> ? > >>> > >>> ________________________________ > >>> > >>> From:ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com [mailto:ibogaine- > >>> bounces at mindvox.com] On Behalf Of Randy Faulconer > >>> Sent: 25 June 2008 19:34 > >>> To: The Ibogaine List > >>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga films on Current TV > >>> ? > >>> ??? GET DOWN WILLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We need all of the pub we can > get. > >>> I'm sure it is in a positive light isn't it Nick? > >>> ? > >>> ????????? Peace Love and Spotlights > >>> ?????????????? Randy > >>> On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 12:33 PM, simon loxton > > > > wrote: > >>> Nice one Nick; > >>> > >>> Look forward to it. > >>> ? > >>> ----- Original Message ---- > >>> From: Nick Sandberg > >>> To: Ibogaine List > >>> Sent: Wednesday, 25 June, 2008 6:25:35 PM > >>> Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga films on Current TV > >>> There are a couple of ibogaine movies coming out on Current TV > this > >>> week, viewable online. (2 in one week, just like buses!). > >>> ? > >>> The first is about Sara's House and is already online athttp://current.com/items/89043771_tripping_in_amsterdam > >>> ? > >>> The second is due out Thursday, tomorrow, and is by Ed Owles. Not > >>> sure of the title but it's got me in it! Should be on this > link > >>> sometime Thursday or after www.current.com/wasted > >>> ? > >>> Nick > >>> ? > >>> > >>> ________________________________ > >>> > >>> Sent from Yahoo! Mail. > >>> A Smarter Email. > >>> > >>> > >> > >>> ?-=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- > >> > >>> (][%] ?:: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: ?[%][) > >>> ?-=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- > >> > >>> ? > >>> ________________________________ > >>> Sent from Yahoo! Mail. > >>> A Smarter Email. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >>> URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080625/8d8b9890/attachment-0001.htm > >>> > >>> ------------------------------ > >>> > >>> Message: 2 > >>> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:42:20 -0700 (PDT) > >>> From: Preston Peet > > > >>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold? > >> > >>> To: The Ibogaine List > >> > >>> Message-ID: <347130.92289.qm at web63010.mail.re1.yahoo.com> > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > >>> > >>> That's TERRIBLE! > >>> Thanks for cluing us in. I'm so glad I didn't get that > person > >>> involved in my own history. > >>> You look great in that video btw Sara, very happy and healthy. > >>> Best to you and the kids. > >>> Peace, love and as always Lotsof respect. > >>> Preston > >>> > >> > >>> ----- Original Message ---- > >>> From: Sara Glatt > >>> To: The Ibogaine List > >> > >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 1:29:25 AM > >>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold? > >>> > >>> > >>> Preston, > >>> > >>> yes, you got it right, the person got a placebo after he paid for > a > >>> treatment. > >>> it is done in the US , I got the info by email, I don't know > the > >>> people > >>> personally, but the email was written with a lot of pain which > >>> made me > >>> react, don't think anybody would want to write to me in person > if > >>> there > >>> was nothing wrong. beside if I'll give you names I may get in > >>> trouble and > >>> I can't deal with more troubles then I'm already in from > passed > >>> years, > >>> which is still in the European court for Human rights. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> Then PLEASE Sara, > >>>> Explain what you were talking about in your post about giving > >>>> placebos > >>>> then walking out with clients cash. Who did this, or did > anyone? > >>>> Are you > >>>> posing a hypothetical? > >>>> What were you talking about? > >>>> Peace, > >>>> Preston > >>>> > >>>> > >> > >>>> ----- Original Message ---- > >>>> From: Sara Glatt > >>>> To: The Ibogaine List > >> > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 12:43:50 PM > >>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I recall that Sara and Eric would bitch at each other in the > >>>> past. I > >>>>> haven't > >>>>> followed all these posts, but these are serious > allegations so I > >>>>> think > >>>>> it > >>>>> is > >>>>> not for innuendo, Sara. If you have something like this to > say you > >>>>> gotta > >>>>> be > >>>>> absolutely straight, elsewise for me it's more about > you than > >>>>> anyone > >>>>> else. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Nick > >>>>> > >>>> Nick, > >>>> > >>>> I can't remember bitching about Eric Taub and never Eric > Taub was > >>>> bitching > >>>> about me.? Eric is sending people to me regularly. > >>>> > >>>> I don't know who Leo Finegold is, But I do feel for > someone who > >>>> gets > >>>> ripped off. > >>>> > >>>> where there is fire there is smoke. that's bizarre thing > to say, > >>>> hey! > >>>> > >>>> please Nick don't use the word IF as I'm not a child > anymore, to my > >>>> knowledge there is freedom of speech and freedom of opinion, > take > >>>> it or > >>>> leave it. > >>>> > >>>> Sara > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ? _____ > >>>>> > >>>>> From: ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com > [mailto:ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com > >>>>> ] > >>>>> On > >>>>> Behalf Of Matt Shriver > >>>>> Sent: 24 June 2008 01:23 > >>>>> To: The Ibogaine List > >>>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold? > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Agreed.? the original message didn't make a lot of > sense to begin > >>>>> with > >>>>> and > >>>>> then Sara's remarks may or may not have had anything > to do with > >>>>> the > >>>>> original > >>>>> message and since no-one who knows wtf any of this is > about feels > >>>>> like > >>>>> elaborating I think it would be completely irresponsible > to go off > >>>>> shit > >>>>> talking Eric or anyone else.? If someone has a real issue > with > >>>>> someone > >>>>> else > >>>>> then they should come right out and say it.? Sideways talk > and > >>>>> innuendo > >>>>> is > >>>>> not productive. > >>>>> > >>>>> Matt > >>>>> > >>>>> m.finman wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Maybe it has nothing to do with anyone who works with Eric > and the > >>>>> underground, who I have the highest regard and praise > for,? maybe > >>>>> there > >>>>> could be some unscrupulous junkie type representing > themselves as > >>>>> such > >>>>> and > >>>>> scamming and ripping off but aside from all that I > don't believe > >>>>> the > >>>>> original message to leo finegold had anything to do with > ripping > >>>>> off > >>>>> necessarily....sounded like one really disgruntled unhappy > person > >>>>> trying > >>>>> to > >>>>> make contact.? ? So I am not going to try and fill in > 99.99% of > >>>>> the > >>>>> blanks > >>>>> that could complete this scenario.? This is how the > telephone game > >>>>> from > >>>>> kindergarten worked as well. > >>>>> Just my view on things, > >>>>> Martee > >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>> From: "Krista Vaughan"? > >>>>> > >>>>> To: "The Ibogaine List"? > >>>>> > >>>>> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 6:19 PM > >>>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold? > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Before everyone starts a lynching party, Sara often writes > > >>>>> bizarre, > >>>>> cryptic messages lashing out at people. Maybe someone from > the > >>>>> underground who works with eric taub did rip someone off, > but > >>>>> isn't > >>>>> Eric Taub at least somewhat respected and regarded as > someone who > >>>>> has > >>>>> been working with ibogaine for a long time? > >>>>> > >>>>> Who is it that Eric is supposed to have done that to? That > sounds > >>>>> really mean and harsh. > >>>>> > >>>>> Love to all > >>>>> > >>>>> KV > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 4:55 PM, Charles Rossouw > >>>>> > >>>>> > > wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Hey Dave > >>>>> > >>>>> I have never seen his name, but according to the original > post > >>>>> by Mr > >>>>> Goldstein, he may operate under a false name.? OOOHHH so > >>>>> dangerous.? And > >>>>> then Sara is not in any position to disclose his identity! > >>>>> > >>>>> Oh goodness.? I had to give in to the acute, but short, > chuckle > >>>>> again. > >>>>> > >>>>> Mr Finegold - Do NOT ever carry an odour of marijuana! > >>>>> > >>>>> Regards > >>>>> > >>>>> Charles > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:26:03 -0400 > >> > >>>>> From: davebroc at gmail.com > >>>>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com > >> > >>>>> Subject: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold? > >>>>> > >>>>> a dumb question mebbe, but after seeing 50 msgs about Leo > Finegold > >>>>> and > >>>>> ripping off people who need treatment, i've got one > question- who > >>>>> the > >>>>> fuck is leo finegold? does he post here??? > >>>>> > >>>>> -broc > >>>>> > >> > >>>>> -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: > (]=- > >>>>> (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: > [%][) > >>>>> -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: > (]=- > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >> > >>>>> ________________________________ > >>>>> It's time to join the family - Get the next generation > of Free > >>>>> Windows > >>>>> Live > >>>>> Services now! 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[%][) > >>> ? -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >>> ------------------------------ > >>> > >>> Message: 3 > >>> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:19:21 -0700 > >>> From: Warren Theriot > >>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Re: dogs > >> > >>> To: The Ibogaine List > >> > >>> Message-ID: <8EE5067D-402F-45DE-ACB7-848DAC05267B at ca.rr.com> > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; > delsp=yes > >>> > >>> My problem with the dog barking was resolved this morning. At the > >>> animal services department, we both came to a mutual understanding > > >>> and > >>> I don't hold any bad feelings against the dog or the neighbor > now. > >>> The > >>> lady who ran the hearing was also very understanding of my point > of > >>> view unlike the person who arbitrated another meeting with another > >>> neighbor 4 years ago. But the increased efforts of the neighbor to > >>> keep his dog quiet after midnight the last 2 weeks has really > helped > >>> me to calm down so I didn't feel the need to keep pressing the > issue > >>> today after we talked it out. I still think the Iboga spirits have > >>> helped the whole situation at least in my head. > >>> > >>> Peace, > >>> Warren > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------ > >>> > >>> Message: 4 > >>> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:52:23 -0600 > >>> From: Matt Shriver > >>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Re: dogs > >> > >>> To: The Ibogaine List > >> > >>> Message-ID: <4862DA37.2080500 at gmail.com> > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >>> > >>> Right on Warren. I'm glad to hear that. > >>> > >>> Matt > >>> > >>> Warren Theriot wrote: > >>>> My problem with the dog barking was resolved this morning. At > the > >>>> animal services department, we both came to a mutual > understanding > >>>> and > >>>> I don't hold any bad feelings against the dog or the > neighbor now. > >>>> The > >>>> lady who ran the hearing was also very understanding of my > point of > >>>> view unlike the person who arbitrated another meeting with > another > >>>> neighbor 4 years ago. But the increased efforts of the > neighbor to > >>>> keep his dog quiet after midnight the last 2 weeks has really > > >>>> helped > >>>> me to calm down so I didn't feel the need to keep pressing > the > >>>> issue > >>>> today after we talked it out. I still think the Iboga spirits > have > >>>> helped the whole situation at least in my head. > >>>> > >>>> Peace, > >>>> Warren > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >> > >>>> -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- > >>>> (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) > >>>> -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >>> ------------------------------ > >>> > >>> Message: 5 > >>> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:03:09 -0700 > >>> From: Warren Theriot > >>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Re: dogs > >> > >>> To: The Ibogaine List > >> > >>> Message-ID: > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL:http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080627/ce9cf6c0/attachment-0001.htm > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:37:01 +0200 (CEST) > > From: "Sara Glatt" > > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold?Dana get a life > > To: "The Ibogaine List" > > Message-ID: > <19664.80.127.42.14.1214573821.squirrel at webmail.xs4all.nl> > > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > > >> > > Dana, > > > > the amount of money is nothing to do with Preston and is not > > important, > > with any amount I will not feel ignored or lied to. > > > > it is your gesture to show some respect to yourself and me, that > > you can > > keep your words. > > > > it is strange that you write my name on your MMM list with amount of > > money > > for a treatment with me, but then you don't know how much you should > > give > > back. > > if only you paid 1/4 of Denny lane treatment.(2003) you have forgotten > > that he broke a 300$ worth of coloured glass pipe , which I never > > asked > > one cent for. > > > > that's all now, until next year. > > > > Sara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NIck, > >> > >> Sara is being disingenuous. Why doesn't she give the list an > itemized > >> list of moneys that I'm supposed to owe her? > >> > >> Then I will check with the persons in question to find out if they > >> remember it being paid at the time. > >> > >> It's a long time ago, and I don't remember all the details. > >> > >> I think you will find that it's all about the theory that I owe > her > >> some fantastic amount in punitive damages for the trouble Todd and > >> Dolly caused her. > >> > >> Dimitri tried working this out, and after I sought to pay her off and > >> she simply applied everything to Preston's treatment, he concluded > no > >> amount of money would satisfy her. > >> > >> (That was one expensive treatment.) > >> > >> BTW, it's interesting that she concurs with Alex Wodak and Stign > >> Gossens that scientific evidence of ibogaine efficacy should be > >> excluded from international conferences -- because I'm not > supposed > >> to go to any conferences present it as long as I haven't satisfied > >> her demands, remember? > >> > >> Dr. Ken doesn't want to go to the international meth conference in > >> Prague. > >> > >> Dana/cnw > >> > >> On Jun 27, 2008, at 7:37 AM, Nick Sandberg wrote: > >> > >>> Hi Dana and Sara, > >>> > >>> How about you also write what you appreciate about each other as > >>> well as all > >>> the bitchy stuff? Just to bring in a bit of balance. > >>> > >>> Nick > >>> > >>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com [mailto:ibogaine- > >>>> bounces at mindvox.com] > >>>> On Behalf Of Sara Glatt > >>>> Sent: 26 June 2008 22:56 > >>>> To: The Ibogaine List > >>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold?Dana get a life > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> No Dana is not a bad boy but needs to be reminded of his > promises > >>>> that is > >>>> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:49:34 -0400 > > From: Dana Beal > > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold?Dana get a life > > To: The Ibogaine List > > Message-ID: <32CD3357-C0A9-4556-96C9-95717736802D at phantom.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > I want this all done publicly, so everything is absolutely clear, and > > I don't get double-billed or hit with additional charges when I begin > > to breath a sigh of relief because I think it's all cleared up. > > > > Tell them it's about Todd and Dolly, Sara. > > > > Dana/cnw > > > > On Jun 27, 2008, at 8:19 AM, Brad Hays wrote: > > > >> Dana and Sara I have a request of you guys too. I don't like this > >> adversarial stuff around the ibo list and I'd like to see some > >> unity, cause we all got too many adversaries to be fighting amongst > >> ourselves. Would yall mind thinking about what you're thankful > >> for? and what you're thankful for about each other? There are > >> other ways of looking at this. This cause is bigger than any of us > >> and is too great to let ourselves get side tracked by stuff like > >> freakin money. If an ambiguous wrong was done years ago then I'm > >> truly sorry, I am, but it has only been based on what ibo teaches > >> us isn't to be worried about. Feel your hearts beating and think > >> about where you personally want to go. Please let this subside no > >> matter what the zeros. Thank you from everybody here. I've seen > >> your faces and they're not meant to be against each other. > >> > >> > >> > >> On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 7:37 AM, Nick Sandberg > >> wrote: > >> Hi Dana and Sara, > >> > >> How about you also write what you appreciate about each other as > >> well as all > >> the bitchy stuff? Just to bring in a bit of balance. > >> > >> Nick > >> > >> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com [mailto:ibogaine- > >> bounces at mindvox.com] > >>> On Behalf Of Sara Glatt > >>> Sent: 26 June 2008 22:56 > >>> To: The Ibogaine List > >>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold?Dana get a life > >>> > >>> > >>> No Dana is not a bad boy but needs to be reminded of his promises > >> that is > >>> all. you can sweep the dirt under the carpet but it will not go > way. > >>> > >>> > >>>> Ooh Sarah > >>>> > >>>> You were one of the people who taught me when I started off > with > >>> Ibogaine. > >>>> I still appreciate and remember your teachings. Also your > >> unequalled > >>>> hospitality when I visited you for a day 18 months or so ago. > >>>> > >>>> But - Dana being a bad boy? > >>>> > >>>> I also experienced his hospitality and his kindness. Albeit > in > >>> Washington > >>>> DC, with the mother of his son and their family. We all chose > >> to do > >>> this > >>>> thing. Lets just do it. Without the vibes that keep > >> interfering with > >>> our > >>>> lives. > >>>> > >>>> Love and respect > >>>> > >>>> Charles> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 23:22:52 +0200> From: > >> sara119 at xs4all.nl> > >>>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo > Finegold? > >> Dana get > >>> a > >>>> life> > >> Dana,> > there is no excuse to > blow up and throw > >> shit at me> > >>>> you probably know that a small amount of extract+treatment > >> still cost > >>> me> > >>>> money, time, space, and energy which I can use for someone > >> else.> > > >>> please > >>>> don't turn things around I'm not a fool, crazy or a > lair.> > I > >> have > >>> talked > >>>> to Denny lane and I'm not the only one who has problems > with> your > >>>> aggressive reactions, if you have paid for his treatment then > >> he> would > >>>> have known, but he doesn't and he is no dummy.> > > Denny lane is > >> saving > >>>> money to come back here to do another iboga session> and > pay > >> for what > >>> you > >>>> haven't, because he is honest+he cares about me and> my > family > >> as much > >>> as > >>>> I for him.> > > I admit that it was stupid of me to > trust you > >> with Dolly > >>>> and Todd, that> was my mistake, I never ever should have > open > >> my house > >>> for > >>>> those and other> demons, but then> 2012 is coming soon, > the > >> world as we > >>>> know it will end and money will be> worthless.> > > what > >> reputation you > >>>> have? I was told about your reputation by Jack Herer> who > >> stayed here > >>> for > >>>> a week and other people from NORML, if anyone is doing> you > >> wrong that > >>>> yourself, if you approach people with kindness you will > not> > >> need to> > >>> blow > >>>> up like that assume things you have no prove of, get a > life.> > > >> Sara> > > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I paid in full for > >> every one of > >>>> those treatments except the 12> > steppers who turned > you into > >> the cops > >>>> for growing pot. Paid in full.> > Every time. (Though > how you > >> could > >>> charge > >>>> full price for Aivia or> > Tracy doing a small amount of > >> extract is > >>>> troubling, to say the least.)> >> > You just want > me to pay > >> tens of > >>>> thousands of dollars for Todd &> > Dolly, who you > should have > >> screened > >>> out > >>>> yourself. You should have> > sent them home the second > it > >> became clear > >>>> that they wanted to move in> > on you and they had no > intention > >> of doing > >>>> the ibogaine.> >> > I don't refer people to > you any more > >> because I do > >>> only > >>>> the most> > cursory screening on the phone, and I cannot > be > >> responsible > >>>> for> > completely unforeseeable events.> >> > > I am not an > >> insurance > >>>> company.> >> > Except for Todd and Dolly, you > can't even > >> quantify how > >>> much > >>>> is owed.> > Because I sent the money, and then you > claimed it > >> didn't > >>>> count. That> > it was still owed.> >> > > Check with Preston, the > >> last > >>>> person to come from here. His was paid> > in full, for > what > >> good it > >>> does.> > >>>>>>> Of course, he could have pocketed the money.> > >> > I'm > >> really in a > >>>> jam. I'm tired of being trashed by you. I will not> > > pay you a > >> cent > >>>> further because of the damage you continue to do to my> > > > >> reputation.> > >>>>> > >>>>> I try to settle all reasonable claims. But I do not > respond > >> well to> > > >>>> BLACKMAIL.> >> > I think you're making%2> > > > -=[) ::::::: > >> MindVox | > >>>> Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=-> (][%] :: > >>>> http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][)> -= > >> [) :::: Change > >>>> Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- > >>>> > _________________________________________________________________ > >>>> Tired of having no room left in your inbox? Windows Live > >> Hotmail now > >>> gives > >>>> you 5GB of FREE storage! 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All the people that got robbed in their homes, and can't sue the addict...they are out there too...the addict is so well known to say and do ANYTHING for the next fix alone...scared of pain...drug always comes first. SO CRAZY to assume and put people out with the burden of illegal. Homeowners and renters can't help you break the law 3 times a day, 3 fixes a day....what a lot of burden to the leaseholder, and homeowners...to worry about losing a home. THEY DO TAKE THE HOMES AWAY ON THIS OFTEN!!! THE DOPE DEALER should supply a place for this shit like the bars do for liquor! If this isn't reason enough to get your ibogaine, and work and pay to stay off illegal drugs so your world doesn't get real secret, sneaky and small, then I gotta say, the person may deserve the great pain, because what do they think they are to other's? An asset they are not!... I can see they don't know...their KARMA is getting worse and longer to repent...each fix...is a block on your responsibility to get off the stuff or move out on the street and take your staph infection, sugar cravings, cellulitis, hepatitis, and diabetes with you! Scream that everybody is mean and nasty and learn...that's what you get for day after day after day of bothering people with intent to be doing nothing but drugs when only certain seedy, sneaky, persons and carrier pidgeons can be your friends. How we keep our home is to get rid of dope...Sure addicts want to hope things are none of the buisness of the neighbors, police, and hide under privacy laws, taking advantage of a respected straight person. They want just one more fix, just one more day...just pay for dope and STIFF OR IGNORE anyone else that needs money from them. WHY can't they see how RUDE the drug has made them how deep into taking though aggressive begging, even stealing? It's a path to little help from people except from the snotty young runners that think the big dope man is going to make them rich one day...so your have to put up with their plans to be a big criminal, so you not doing them any real favors to tie up their time on a bad path for themselves to earn money. Circumstances are what they are, some things can't change anytime soon so...it's so important to take ibogaine and be over with this drug even the doctor's can't get it for anyone....and all the people that the addict clicks with are hurting all the people you can be real with because they are sneakily depending on you to be their friend, their buisness, and their territory, while your real life with people that enjoy who you are, is slipping away into something that didn't need to be, the drug is a great kidnapper, I'm not saying people can't have it once a month for a good time... but I can see the addicts are such hardcore mindsets...who often don't want to live anyway...they don't like what they have... no more, if that sounds like poor english I mean to say, what they have is NO MORE other than the opportunity to learn to give...try being a 24/7 mother and find out...what you get...giving works out for the better after all. My mom died of horrible pancreatic cancer(the most painful one known), the worst one ever seen, ON NO DRUGS BUT ASPIRIN! She knew how to give and conquer mind over matter. ~ouivalerie at yahoo.com --- On Fri, 6/27/08, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote: From: ibogaine-request at mindvox.com Subject: Ibogaine Digest, Vol 10, Issue 308 To: ibogaine at mindvox.com Date: Friday, June 27, 2008, 11:42 AM Send Ibogaine mailing list submissions to ibogaine at mindvox.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ibogaine-request at mindvox.com You can reach the person managing the list at ibogaine-owner at mindvox.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Ibogaine digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Leo Finegold?Dana get a life (Dana Beal) 2. Re: USA and AIDS (j0n at just-say-know.org) 3. Re: qualities around the world/NYC-chi-town (Paul Brookshaw) 4. Re: Leo Finegold?Dana get a life (Nelson Comerci) 5. Re: alternative to opiate or addictive pain medication (Luke Christoffersen) 6. Re: qualities around the world/NYC-chi-town (simon loxton) 7. NSAID anti-inflammatorys (Luke Christoffersen) 8. Re: qualities around the world/NYC-chi-town (Paul Brookshaw) 9. Re: Ibogaine Re: OT (Matt Shriver) 10. Re: Ibogaine Digest, Vol 10, Issue 305 (Jeremy Spence) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:54:27 -0400 From: Dana Beal Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold?Dana get a life To: The Ibogaine List Message-ID: <771594A7-654D-48E3-9D50-EC85A8314AB1 at phantom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yeah, but to continue the sniping and innuendo for years over a broken BONG? The point is that this can't be settled privately. It's been tried numerous times. I want Sara to cease and desist. I'm appealing to a jury of my peers--the LIst--for a settlement of this dispute. Dana/cnw On Jun 27, 2008, at 11:01 AM, Brad Hays wrote: > I don't give a shit. Get this crap off the list and deal with it > yourselves. You both have each other's emails. Get together and > be done with it. This ain't a freakin circus. Any more postings > here and you're both just wanting everyone else to see what you > have to say between yourselves. Have yall forgotten this is going > out to 7000+ people? How old are you guys anyway? > > > On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 10:24 AM, Dana Beal wrote: > Other folks, looking at the fix I'm in, are forgiving claims for > broken bongs. > > Dana/cnw > > On Jun 27, 2008, at 9:37 AM, Sara Glatt wrote: > > >> > > Dana, > > > > the amount of money is nothing to do with Preston and is not > > important, > > with any amount I will not feel ignored or lied to. > > > > it is your gesture to show some respect to yourself and me, that > > you can > > keep your words. > > > > it is strange that you write my name on your MMM list with amount > > of money > > for a treatment with me, but then you don't know how much you > > should give > > back. > > if only you paid 1/4 of Denny lane treatment.(2003) you have > forgotten > > that he broke a 300$ worth of coloured glass pipe , which I never > > asked > > one cent for. > > > > that's all now, until next year. > > > > Sara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NIck, > >> > >> Sara is being disingenuous. Why doesn't she give the list an > itemized > >> list of moneys that I'm supposed to owe her? > >> > >> Then I will check with the persons in question to find out if they > >> remember it being paid at the time. > >> > >> It's a long time ago, and I don't remember all the details. > >> > >> I think you will find that it's all about the theory that I owe her > >> some fantastic amount in punitive damages for the trouble Todd and > >> Dolly caused her. > >> > >> Dimitri tried working this out, and after I sought to pay her > off and > >> she simply applied everything to Preston's treatment, he > concluded no > >> amount of money would satisfy her. > >> > >> (That was one expensive treatment.) > >> > >> BTW, it's interesting that she concurs with Alex Wodak and Stign > >> Gossens that scientific evidence of ibogaine efficacy should be > >> excluded from international conferences -- because I'm not supposed > >> to go to any conferences present it as long as I haven't satisfied > >> her demands, remember? > >> > >> Dr. Ken doesn't want to go to the international meth conference in > >> Prague. > >> > >> Dana/cnw > >> > >> On Jun 27, 2008, at 7:37 AM, Nick Sandberg wrote: > >> > >>> Hi Dana and Sara, > >>> > >>> How about you also write what you appreciate about each other as > >>> well as all > >>> the bitchy stuff? Just to bring in a bit of balance. > >>> > >>> Nick > >>> > >>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com [mailto:ibogaine- > >>>> bounces at mindvox.com] > >>>> On Behalf Of Sara Glatt > >>>> Sent: 26 June 2008 22:56 > >>>> To: The Ibogaine List > >>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold?Dana get a life > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> No Dana is not a bad boy but needs to be reminded of his promises > >>>> that is > >>>> > > > > > > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- > > (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) > > -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- > > > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- > (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) > -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- > > > > -- > ~~_/) ~~ > http://www.maps.org > > > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- > (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) > -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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That's only because the US has > become a fascist shite hole Charles.
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> > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- > (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) > -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 17:37:19 +0100 From: Paul Brookshaw Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] qualities around the world/NYC-chi-town To: The Ibogaine List Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The pupose of this forum is about Iboga/Ibogaine' To continue in drug seeking/ exchanging or stories of drug seeking' would show an inability to accept change' Our future must differ from our past' in order for our future to be different' from our past' (appreciated for that one Preston' it sorts out a lot) Exchange of these ideas privately by personal email would seem to be the only way foreward with Iboga/Ibogaine' Blessed Be Motamba Keep tracking the love ~ ~ Outside inside Outside Out! > From: dcollier9 at cox.net > To: ibogaine at mindvox.com > Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 17:40:55 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] qualities around the world/NYC-chi-town > > try Chicago much better quality than nyc, downstate (Decatur, Chatham) > Illinois is good too, if not better... > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Donzo > "Love converts hearts, and gives peace." > __________________________________________________ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Preston Peet" > To: "The Ibogaine List" > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 8:17 AM > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] qualities around the world/NYC > > > LOL!!! > Oh Sophia, > I too remember first arriving in NYC from a year spent busking and squatting > and shooting in London, and boy was I seriously disappointed in the > difference in quality between NYC and London's H. I was told at the N. > Exchange in LES to "be careful, some of the stuff around here is very > strong," so I got all excited before banging my first NYC bag- then was ever > so seriously disappointed after getting it in me. I was no longer sick, but > I was nowhere near high/stoned/satisfied. > Sigh. > > > > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- > (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) > -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- _________________________________________________________________ All new Live Search at Live.com http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000006ukm/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080627/9b9bed80/attachment-0001.htm ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:13:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Nelson Comerci Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold?Dana get a life To: The Ibogaine List Message-ID: <827899.94367.qm at web34502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii isn't capitalism how this whole human mess started? we all need to make a living. but some of us want to make a killing. sometimes you come ahead, sometimes you get behind. it really doesn't matter. and if anyone thinks it does, then there is homework to be done. lets please move on with the intention of cooperation for a greater good. humbling as it is, coming to a common point of understanding is very easy. just meet the other half way, not 49% and not 51%, just half way. you would be surprised what can be accomplished, fostering dignity and responsibility rather than resentment or guilt. dana i don't know you that well, but we put on the SF conference together a few years back. (i gladly lost $1,000 putting than great meeting together...) sara i have never met you but you were instrumental in helping me help many people in amerikkka who are still clean today. (it was a shame that you blew me off and never answered me why you were no longer offering...) long story short, as practitioners, facilitators, researchers, activists, mis-users, addicts, CIA, and whoever else is on this list....we are interested in this Plant Teacher because we deeply know it has truth and power beyond our human capabilities. what we do with the little bit of truth and power that sometimes rubs off on us as we do the good work (CIA excluded) is important. and bickering about cash, bongs, & idiot-narcs is not conducive to coming to a common point of understanding. sorry for the rant. Nelson Ivan Comerci Licensed Acupuncturist and Herbalist The Future Is History ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 18:23:47 +0100 From: "Luke Christoffersen" Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] alternative to opiate or addictive pain medication To: "The Ibogaine List" Message-ID: <4c90d90806271023r6e588cb6i7538ba2810c3f09e at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 What are the seven dragons? Can your body get a tolerance to acupuncture enduced endorphins? On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 2:05 AM, DC in AZ wrote: > I vouch for acupuncture too, but steer clear of the seven dragons, which > wore me out, and I caught > a head cold, smile. acupuncture, if done right, and gets a 'rise' out of ya, > by getting stuck in a certain > way in certain places, will send the endorphins rushin in fer sure, but too > many for too long is what wears you out. > maybe only 6 dragons... > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Donzo > "Love converts hearts, and gives peace." > __________________________________________________ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sara Glatt" > To: "The Ibogaine List" > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 3:45 PM > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] alternative to opiate or addictive pain medication > > >> Acupuncture helped me from chronic rheumatic pains + Sallaki ointment. >> > > > > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- > (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) > -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 17:24:57 +0000 (GMT) From: simon loxton Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] qualities around the world/NYC-chi-town To: The Ibogaine List Message-ID: <926445.73559.qm at web28614.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Exchange of personal experience/stories of drug use or usage can help the individual to relate to another that has gone through the same or similar experiences. If this means progress through iboga or other means; progress is what we are looking for; but to judge some one on based on the type of drugs they take or talk about is discriminatory. Its no ones business what we do so long as it does not infringe on the rights of others; while having to face severe social judgment based solely on ones drug of choice. Maintenance with the option to treatment should one choose; and the freedom to choose the form of treatment. ----- Original Message ---- From: Paul Brookshaw To: The Ibogaine List Sent: Friday, 27 June, 2008 6:37:19 PM Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] qualities around the world/NYC-chi-town The pupose of this forum is about Iboga/Ibogaine' To continue in drug seeking/ exchanging or stories of drug seeking' would show an inability to accept change' Our future must differ from our past' in order for our future to be different' from our past' (appreciated for that one Preston' it sorts out a lot) Exchange of these ideas privately by personal email would seem to be the only way foreward with Iboga/Ibogaine' Blessed Be Motamba Keep tracking the love ~ ~ Outside inside Outside Out! > From: dcollier9 at cox.net > To: ibogaine at mindvox.com > Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 17:40:55 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] qualities around the world/NYC-chi-town > > try Chicago much better quality than nyc, downstate (Decatur, Chatham) > Illinois is good too, if not better... > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Donzo > "Love converts hearts, and gives peace." > __________________________________________________ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Preston Peet" > To: "The Ibogaine List" > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 8:17 AM > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] qualities around the world/NYC > > > LOL!!! > Oh Sophia, > I too remember first arriving in NYC from a year spent busking and squatting > and shooting in London, and boy was I seriously disappointed in the > difference in quality between NYC and London's H. I was told at the N. > Exchange in LES to "be careful, some of the stuff around here is very > strong," so I got all excited before banging my first NYC bag- then was ever > so seriously disappointed after getting it in me. I was no longer sick, but > I was nowhere near high/stoned/satisfied. > Sigh. > > > > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- > (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) > -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- ________________________________ Miss your Messenger buddies when on-the-go? Get Messenger on your Mobile! __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I was told at the N. > Exchange in LES to "be careful, some of the stuff around here is very > strong," so I got all excited before banging my first NYC bag- then was ever > so seriously disappointed after getting it in me. I was no longer sick, but > I was nowhere near high/stoned/satisfied. > Sigh. > > > > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- > (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) > -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000002ukm/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080627/25de5264/attachment-0001.htm ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:33:18 -0600 From: Matt Shriver Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Re: OT To: The Ibogaine List Message-ID: <4865326E.9010406 at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed If you mean me then yes. Warren Theriot wrote: > Matt, can I ask you some questions off list about Ibogaine treatments? > Warren > > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- > (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) > -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- > > ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:42:20 -0500 From: Jeremy Spence Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Digest, Vol 10, Issue 305 To: ibogaine at mindvox.com Message-ID: <18539209-BCE0-4FC4-BF88-E3A5FF87610A at mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes I can't use I lot of different medicine, they make my IC worse!! It has something to do with the drugs turning to acid in the body and most all drugs 99% do. I have to be on a really low acid diet and low acid lifestyle, for some strange reason the methadone does not bother me, why I really don't know, its has something to do with the acid thought. I have a really strange disease, its not well known! Its taken me 10 years to get my diet perfect!!! Yea, 10 years!! I can't take a lot of medicines, it sucks!! Its crazy!! You have no idea, I can't even explained to you!! I can't take much medicine at all, it will put me into more pain!! It's beyond what you even know!! Take take herbs, hardly can eat food, much less take medicine. I wish I could take other medicine them the methadone, or I would! I hate the methadone For some crazy ass reason, methadone is one of the only medicine that my bladder will tolerate, why I really don't for sure? Other then its not acidic, and most drugs natural and unrturn to acidy, Its a very complex problem! Some people who have IC can take a lot more then me, but through out the years I damaged the hell out it, by not really knowing what the hell to do! And it made the disease progress. The only reason I wondered about the iboga is if I healed up one day, for I hate coming off the damm methadone!! I done it the hard way too many times, and i hate it!!! Now, understand, I would not be able to take the iboga probably right now because my bladder is no where near strong enough yet, but i hope to one day beat what I am fighting with my IC! I extremely hard though!! I am not like a normal person who has pain, I can't just take what ever I want for it, my bladder does not have a ling on it, and almost everything bother its!! Drugs, chemicals, foods, I can't have preservatives, gluten, all kind of things that most people don't even think twice about putting in their bodies I can't have right now, its hardcore!! But after while, after I kill myself and work like a dog with my diet and everything, i slow do build up and can have more things(cheat), but I still can't just do that forever! I still got watch, I will probably always have to watch what I do for the rest of my life!! But the main reason I was asking info about iboga is because have gotten to place many time before where I have got pain free at times and can handle taking almost anything(being pretty close to normal, its just hard for to keep), its just I got to pick and choose what I take carefully, and for how long I take it, i can't take it forever, or my IC will come back again!! But I hopefully may get my IC into remission, but even if I do, I still won't be to take and do, and eat things without thinking about it, i will have to watch how much I do or my IC will come back and kill me again! I doing a lot for it right now, Dieting hardcore, vitamins IV's, MSM IV's, aloe vera, staying away from most all chemicals, also taking MSM orally, and instilling it in my bladder(I know crazy, but it helps) None this just cures me, but it helps, and hopefully it will put me back into remission!! I am trying to do other things a well(mean natural treatments), but I got to really watch what i take because my bladder is sooooooooooooooooo sensitive, I mean off the scale!!! It getting better though, because of everything I am doing, I been in reemission a few time before, but it comes back on me. I was would love to do some iboga to help me come off this when I get completely better, but the thing is if I did that, I would have to watch how long I took the stuff, for my IC can and will come back on me(its not just iboga, anything can basicely cause my ic to come back again, most drugs can and will cause my ic to come back, some kinds of food can do it to, most drugs, coffee, ect, ect, ect the list goes on and on, methadone seems to be one of the only drugs I take take without more pain, crazy I know!!!!!! I must stay on a really low acid lifestyle!! And most things are acid in this world!!! So you can understand what a fight I have!!! The goal is to get to point where I am out of free all the time and for long time, and then try to come off the methadone again. I like to try with iboga, maybe?? But my bladder would have to be strong enough to come off the methadone for many months, let alone the iboga. But I think it could be possible, because I been pretty close before, many times, I mean healed, its just that It comes back that all. But, I don't think I really ever been completely, completely , healed you know, I don't know, its a crazy disease, people have no idea, and you don't want to know either!! I wish i take a other drug other then methadone, but Every time I try to change drugs, my bladder goes nuts!!! My bladder is very sensitive to chemicals when I not healed up, but when i am healed some nothing bothers, well until my IC comes back I mean. It's took me many years to figure this thing all out, and it has not been easy, all trail and error!! so for all the info, hope I don't bother anybody, it I do, I am sorry, but its still about me trying iboga one day to come off methadone, and that's what I thought this board was for, iboga info and help, its it not??? Thanks to all trying to help See you JS On Jun 27, 2008, at 8:50 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote: > Send Ibogaine mailing list submissions to > ibogaine at mindvox.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > ibogaine-request at mindvox.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > ibogaine-owner at mindvox.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Ibogaine digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: How many grams one need coming off methadone with regular > Iboga root or bark?? (shelley krupa) > 2. Re: Leo Finegold?Dana get a life (Sara Glatt) > 3. Re: Leo Finegold?Dana get a life (Dana Beal) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 05:50:07 -0700 (PDT) > From: shelley krupa > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] How many grams one need coming off methadone > with regular Iboga root or bark?? > To: The Ibogaine List > Message-ID: <678421.20550.qm at web82104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hey Jeremy,sorry to hear about your IC,I'd probably try the > alternative health route(I learned acupuncture after I did > iboga),have you ever heard of kratom?I've read some ppl get off > opiates w/ it & get pain relief,however ,it can be addictive,but it > is legal,but I'm w/ preston,do what you need to,what about sub?- > seems like a person has more normalcy on it for chronic pain,-shell > > Sophia Depas wrote: here here! Quite agree > Preston! > > On 6/26/08, Preston Peet > wrote: >> Jeremy >> As a chronic pain patient, I can empathize. >> My two cents? Don't sweat being on methadone if it helps you deal >> with being alive and in so much pain. There's absolutely no reason >> why you should have to live with such pain if you have recourse to >> something that gives you some semblence of relief and the ability >> to survive.\ >> Being physically addicted sucks, but not nearly as much as trying >> to live drug free AND in agonizing pain, often what happens to us >> who are pain ridden yet living in a prohibitionistic society that >> tells us the ideal is to be drug free no matter what. >> Best to you, and good luck. >> Preston >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Jeremy Spence >> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com >> >> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 2:58:08 AM >> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] How many grams one need coming off >> methadone with regular Iboga root or bark?? >> >> I just was wondering??? >> >> I saw that sara house video, and say said she gave him 5 grams, is >> that 5 gram of Iboga, or 5 grams of Ibogaine??? >> Plus he was coming off weed, I am sure you would need a lot more for >> coming off methaodne would you not?? >> >> I am on methadone for choric pain, I hate taking it, and i have tired >> many, many times to get off, but my pain is so bad with the rare >> disease I have that I just can't do it. Its not the withdraw, that >> not the reason I can't get off the methadone, its the freak en pain. >> I hope to get my bladder disease in remission again, I am working my >> ass off with my diet and trying to doing everything possible to help >> myself heal, but I have a real bad case of IC(its a rare bladder >> disease, extremely painful, I mean like end stage cancer pain shit!!) >> >> I had it better a few times from working my ass off with the diet and >> natural treatments, supplements, ect, but I have so much damage from >> all the drugs the doctors gave me when they didn't not know what to >> do >> for me to eas my pain you know, but it end up causing more damage >> down >> the road. >> >> Now I am only on methadone, and no other drugs, methadone seems to be >> one of the only medicine that does not cause more damage to my >> bladder(I think because methadone does not turn to acid in the urine >> like most drugs do) I just got lucky finding a drug that I can take >> for pain, but I still hate taking it with a passion!!! >> >> >> I was asking about Iboga dosing for methadone, I just wondered about >> it that all??? I can't get off the methadone right now anyways >> because I am in too much pain right now, but one day i hope might be >> pain free, for I have been very close in the past, the only thing is >> my cond. likes to come back really easy, that's my main problem. >> >> However, even though, I can stand to withdraw off the methadone, >> because I done it so many times to come off it(longest I made it was >> about 4 months off. but my pain came back hardcore, and I had turn >> around and get back on it again, sucks ass), I don't like it very >> much. >> I trying to research everything I can about Iboga, so if one day I am >> heal enough, I would "maybe" see about trying to get some Iboga to >> freak en coming off the freak en methadone. I would rather use >> something natural to come off with anyways!!! Only thing is a live in >> the US(fuck up drug laws) But you know what I got to say about that, >> Fuck this gov!!!!! That what I got to say, These stupid ass DEA >> people can withdraw for 6 months and see how it's like coming off a >> drug they were force to get on because of pain!! It's not freak en >> fare that I should have to suffer, after what I have had to suffer >> already with my stupid disease!!! Those people can freak en go to >> hell!! That's Just my thought. My goal is to be on "NO medicine!!!" >> That's my long term goal. >> >> To all the people on here who don't have pain, Thank your lucky stars >> you don't I wish to God I didn't >> >> >> Any info >> Thanks for the help >> JS >> On Jun 26, 2008, at 12:33 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote: >> >>> Send Ibogaine mailing list submissions to >>> ibogaine at mindvox.com >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> ibogaine-request at mindvox.com >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> ibogaine-owner at mindvox.com >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> than "Re: Contents of Ibogaine digest..." >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. Re: Iboga films on Current TV (Mark Corcoran) >>> 2. Re: Leo Finegold? (Preston Peet) >>> 3. Re: Ibogaine Re: dogs (Warren Theriot) >>> 4. Re: Ibogaine Re: dogs (Matt Shriver) >>> 5. Re: Ibogaine Re: dogs (Warren Theriot) >>> 6. Re: Post this to the list ASAP (Sophia Depas) >>> 7. Re: Leo Finegold? (Sophia Depas) >>> 8. Re: Ibogaine Re: dogs (Matt Shriver) >>> 9. Re: Leo Finegold? (Sara Glatt) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 13:47:59 -0700 (PDT) >>> From: Mark Corcoran >>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga films on Current TV >> >>> To: The Ibogaine List >> >>> Message-ID: <205646.30154.qm at web45201.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" >>> >>> it worked. >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ---- >>> From: simon loxton >> >>> To: The Ibogaine List >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 4:04:32 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga films on Current TV >>> >>> >>> Do you have any say at all or are you just hoping for the best? >>> There is nothing worse in these types of situations than editors who >>> make the choice of what message they want to convey; I hope it works >>> for you and nothing gets used out of context. >>> I am sure it will be fine! >>> Where is it going to be shown? Is it like a channel 4 type thing? >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ---- >>> From: Nick Sandberg >> >>> To: The Ibogaine List >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, 25 June, 2008 9:54:23 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga films on Current TV >>> >>> >>> Don?t know. Probably I look a twat, and am edited to say something >>> terrible and be excommunicated. That?s my mindfuck, anyway. I so >>> hate myself in photos and movies also. Will be grueling to watch! >>> Apparently it?s called ?Tripping the Habit.? The film-maker Ed said >>> he had no choice in the title. >>> ? >>> Nick >>> ? >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> >>> From:ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com [mailto:ibogaine- >>> bounces at mindvox.com] On Behalf Of Randy Faulconer >>> Sent: 25 June 2008 19:34 >>> To: The Ibogaine List >>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga films on Current TV >>> ? >>> ??? GET DOWN WILLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We need all of the pub we can get. >>> I'm sure it is in a positive light isn't it Nick? >>> ? >>> ????????? Peace Love and Spotlights >>> ?????????????? Randy >>> On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 12:33 PM, simon loxton > > > wrote: >>> Nice one Nick; >>> >>> Look forward to it. >>> ? >>> ----- Original Message ---- >>> From: Nick Sandberg >>> To: Ibogaine List >>> Sent: Wednesday, 25 June, 2008 6:25:35 PM >>> Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga films on Current TV >>> There are a couple of ibogaine movies coming out on Current TV this >>> week, viewable online. (2 in one week, just like buses!). >>> ? >>> The first is about Sara's House and is already online at http://current.com/items/89043771_tripping_in_amsterdam >>> ? >>> The second is due out Thursday, tomorrow, and is by Ed Owles. Not >>> sure of the title but it's got me in it! Should be on this link >>> sometime Thursday or after www.current.com/wasted >>> ? >>> Nick >>> ? >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> >>> Sent from Yahoo! Mail. >>> A Smarter Email. >>> >>> >> >>> ?-=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- >> >>> (][%] ?:: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: ?[%][) >>> ?-=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- >> >>> ? >>> ________________________________ >>> Sent from Yahoo! Mail. >>> A Smarter Email. >>> >>> >>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080625/8d8b9890/attachment-0001.htm >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 2 >>> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:42:20 -0700 (PDT) >>> From: Preston Peet > >>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold? >> >>> To: The Ibogaine List >> >>> Message-ID: <347130.92289.qm at web63010.mail.re1.yahoo.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >>> >>> That's TERRIBLE! >>> Thanks for cluing us in. I'm so glad I didn't get that person >>> involved in my own history. >>> You look great in that video btw Sara, very happy and healthy. >>> Best to you and the kids. >>> Peace, love and as always Lotsof respect. >>> Preston >>> >> >>> ----- Original Message ---- >>> From: Sara Glatt >>> To: The Ibogaine List >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 1:29:25 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold? >>> >>> >>> Preston, >>> >>> yes, you got it right, the person got a placebo after he paid for a >>> treatment. >>> it is done in the US , I got the info by email, I don't know the >>> people >>> personally, but the email was written with a lot of pain which >>> made me >>> react, don't think anybody would want to write to me in person if >>> there >>> was nothing wrong. beside if I'll give you names I may get in >>> trouble and >>> I can't deal with more troubles then I'm already in from passed >>> years, >>> which is still in the European court for Human rights. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Then PLEASE Sara, >>>> Explain what you were talking about in your post about giving >>>> placebos >>>> then walking out with clients cash. Who did this, or did anyone? >>>> Are you >>>> posing a hypothetical? >>>> What were you talking about? >>>> Peace, >>>> Preston >>>> >>>> >> >>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>> From: Sara Glatt >>>> To: The Ibogaine List >> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 12:43:50 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I recall that Sara and Eric would bitch at each other in the >>>> past. I >>>>> haven't >>>>> followed all these posts, but these are serious allegations so I >>>>> think >>>>> it >>>>> is >>>>> not for innuendo, Sara. If you have something like this to say you >>>>> gotta >>>>> be >>>>> absolutely straight, elsewise for me it's more about you than >>>>> anyone >>>>> else. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Nick >>>>> >>>> Nick, >>>> >>>> I can't remember bitching about Eric Taub and never Eric Taub was >>>> bitching >>>> about me.? Eric is sending people to me regularly. >>>> >>>> I don't know who Leo Finegold is, But I do feel for someone who >>>> gets >>>> ripped off. >>>> >>>> where there is fire there is smoke. that's bizarre thing to say, >>>> hey! >>>> >>>> please Nick don't use the word IF as I'm not a child anymore, to my >>>> knowledge there is freedom of speech and freedom of opinion, take >>>> it or >>>> leave it. >>>> >>>> Sara >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> ? _____ >>>>> >>>>> From: ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com [mailto:ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com >>>>> ] >>>>> On >>>>> Behalf Of Matt Shriver >>>>> Sent: 24 June 2008 01:23 >>>>> To: The Ibogaine List >>>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Agreed.? the original message didn't make a lot of sense to begin >>>>> with >>>>> and >>>>> then Sara's remarks may or may not have had anything to do with >>>>> the >>>>> original >>>>> message and since no-one who knows wtf any of this is about feels >>>>> like >>>>> elaborating I think it would be completely irresponsible to go off >>>>> shit >>>>> talking Eric or anyone else.? If someone has a real issue with >>>>> someone >>>>> else >>>>> then they should come right out and say it.? Sideways talk and >>>>> innuendo >>>>> is >>>>> not productive. >>>>> >>>>> Matt >>>>> >>>>> m.finman wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Maybe it has nothing to do with anyone who works with Eric and the >>>>> underground, who I have the highest regard and praise for,? maybe >>>>> there >>>>> could be some unscrupulous junkie type representing themselves as >>>>> such >>>>> and >>>>> scamming and ripping off but aside from all that I don't believe >>>>> the >>>>> original message to leo finegold had anything to do with ripping >>>>> off >>>>> necessarily....sounded like one really disgruntled unhappy person >>>>> trying >>>>> to >>>>> make contact.? ? So I am not going to try and fill in 99.99% of >>>>> the >>>>> blanks >>>>> that could complete this scenario.? This is how the telephone game >>>>> from >>>>> kindergarten worked as well. >>>>> Just my view on things, >>>>> Martee >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Krista Vaughan"? >>>>> >>>>> To: "The Ibogaine List"? >>>>> >>>>> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 6:19 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Before everyone starts a lynching party, Sara often writes >>>>> bizarre, >>>>> cryptic messages lashing out at people. Maybe someone from the >>>>> underground who works with eric taub did rip someone off, but >>>>> isn't >>>>> Eric Taub at least somewhat respected and regarded as someone who >>>>> has >>>>> been working with ibogaine for a long time? >>>>> >>>>> Who is it that Eric is supposed to have done that to? That sounds >>>>> really mean and harsh. >>>>> >>>>> Love to all >>>>> >>>>> KV >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 4:55 PM, Charles Rossouw >>>>> >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hey Dave >>>>> >>>>> I have never seen his name, but according to the original post >>>>> by Mr >>>>> Goldstein, he may operate under a false name.? OOOHHH so >>>>> dangerous.? And >>>>> then Sara is not in any position to disclose his identity! >>>>> >>>>> Oh goodness.? I had to give in to the acute, but short, chuckle >>>>> again. >>>>> >>>>> Mr Finegold - Do NOT ever carry an odour of marijuana! >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> >>>>> Charles >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:26:03 -0400 >> >>>>> From: davebroc at gmail.com >>>>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com >> >>>>> Subject: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold? >>>>> >>>>> a dumb question mebbe, but after seeing 50 msgs about Leo Finegold >>>>> and >>>>> ripping off people who need treatment, i've got one question- who >>>>> the >>>>> fuck is leo finegold? does he post here??? >>>>> >>>>> -broc >>>>> >> >>>>> -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- >>>>> (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) >>>>> -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >> >>>>> ________________________________ >>>>> It's time to join the family - Get the next generation of Free >>>>> Windows >>>>> Live >>>>> Services now! 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[%][) >>> ? -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 3 >>> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:19:21 -0700 >>> From: Warren Theriot >>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Re: dogs >> >>> To: The Ibogaine List >> >>> Message-ID: <8EE5067D-402F-45DE-ACB7-848DAC05267B at ca.rr.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes >>> >>> My problem with the dog barking was resolved this morning. At the >>> animal services department, we both came to a mutual understanding >>> and >>> I don't hold any bad feelings against the dog or the neighbor now. >>> The >>> lady who ran the hearing was also very understanding of my point of >>> view unlike the person who arbitrated another meeting with another >>> neighbor 4 years ago. But the increased efforts of the neighbor to >>> keep his dog quiet after midnight the last 2 weeks has really helped >>> me to calm down so I didn't feel the need to keep pressing the issue >>> today after we talked it out. I still think the Iboga spirits have >>> helped the whole situation at least in my head. >>> >>> Peace, >>> Warren >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 4 >>> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:52:23 -0600 >>> From: Matt Shriver >>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Re: dogs >> >>> To: The Ibogaine List >> >>> Message-ID: <4862DA37.2080500 at gmail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >>> >>> Right on Warren. I'm glad to hear that. >>> >>> Matt >>> >>> Warren Theriot wrote: >>>> My problem with the dog barking was resolved this morning. At the >>>> animal services department, we both came to a mutual understanding >>>> and >>>> I don't hold any bad feelings against the dog or the neighbor now. >>>> The >>>> lady who ran the hearing was also very understanding of my point of >>>> view unlike the person who arbitrated another meeting with another >>>> neighbor 4 years ago. But the increased efforts of the neighbor to >>>> keep his dog quiet after midnight the last 2 weeks has really >>>> helped >>>> me to calm down so I didn't feel the need to keep pressing the >>>> issue >>>> today after we talked it out. I still think the Iboga spirits have >>>> helped the whole situation at least in my head. >>>> >>>> Peace, >>>> Warren >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- >>>> (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) >>>> -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 5 >>> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:03:09 -0700 >>> From: Warren Theriot >>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Re: dogs >> >>> To: The Ibogaine List >> >>> Message-ID: > > === message truncated === > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080627/ce9cf6c0/attachment-0001.htm > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:37:01 +0200 (CEST) > From: "Sara Glatt" > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold?Dana get a life > To: "The Ibogaine List" > Message-ID: <19664.80.127.42.14.1214573821.squirrel at webmail.xs4all.nl> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > >> > Dana, > > the amount of money is nothing to do with Preston and is not > important, > with any amount I will not feel ignored or lied to. > > it is your gesture to show some respect to yourself and me, that > you can > keep your words. > > it is strange that you write my name on your MMM list with amount of > money > for a treatment with me, but then you don't know how much you should > give > back. > if only you paid 1/4 of Denny lane treatment.(2003) you have forgotten > that he broke a 300$ worth of coloured glass pipe , which I never > asked > one cent for. > > that's all now, until next year. > > Sara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NIck, >> >> Sara is being disingenuous. Why doesn't she give the list an itemized >> list of moneys that I'm supposed to owe her? >> >> Then I will check with the persons in question to find out if they >> remember it being paid at the time. >> >> It's a long time ago, and I don't remember all the details. >> >> I think you will find that it's all about the theory that I owe her >> some fantastic amount in punitive damages for the trouble Todd and >> Dolly caused her. >> >> Dimitri tried working this out, and after I sought to pay her off and >> she simply applied everything to Preston's treatment, he concluded no >> amount of money would satisfy her. >> >> (That was one expensive treatment.) >> >> BTW, it's interesting that she concurs with Alex Wodak and Stign >> Gossens that scientific evidence of ibogaine efficacy should be >> excluded from international conferences -- because I'm not supposed >> to go to any conferences present it as long as I haven't satisfied >> her demands, remember? >> >> Dr. Ken doesn't want to go to the international meth conference in >> Prague. >> >> Dana/cnw >> >> On Jun 27, 2008, at 7:37 AM, Nick Sandberg wrote: >> >>> Hi Dana and Sara, >>> >>> How about you also write what you appreciate about each other as >>> well as all >>> the bitchy stuff? Just to bring in a bit of balance. >>> >>> Nick >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com [mailto:ibogaine- >>>> bounces at mindvox.com] >>>> On Behalf Of Sara Glatt >>>> Sent: 26 June 2008 22:56 >>>> To: The Ibogaine List >>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold?Dana get a life >>>> >>>> >>>> No Dana is not a bad boy but needs to be reminded of his promises >>>> that is >>>> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:49:34 -0400 > From: Dana Beal > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold?Dana get a life > To: The Ibogaine List > Message-ID: <32CD3357-C0A9-4556-96C9-95717736802D at phantom.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I want this all done publicly, so everything is absolutely clear, and > I don't get double-billed or hit with additional charges when I begin > to breath a sigh of relief because I think it's all cleared up. > > Tell them it's about Todd and Dolly, Sara. > > Dana/cnw > > On Jun 27, 2008, at 8:19 AM, Brad Hays wrote: > >> Dana and Sara I have a request of you guys too. I don't like this >> adversarial stuff around the ibo list and I'd like to see some >> unity, cause we all got too many adversaries to be fighting amongst >> ourselves. Would yall mind thinking about what you're thankful >> for? and what you're thankful for about each other? There are >> other ways of looking at this. This cause is bigger than any of us >> and is too great to let ourselves get side tracked by stuff like >> freakin money. If an ambiguous wrong was done years ago then I'm >> truly sorry, I am, but it has only been based on what ibo teaches >> us isn't to be worried about. Feel your hearts beating and think >> about where you personally want to go. Please let this subside no >> matter what the zeros. Thank you from everybody here. I've seen >> your faces and they're not meant to be against each other. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 7:37 AM, Nick Sandberg >> wrote: >> Hi Dana and Sara, >> >> How about you also write what you appreciate about each other as >> well as all >> the bitchy stuff? Just to bring in a bit of balance. >> >> Nick >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com [mailto:ibogaine- >> bounces at mindvox.com] >>> On Behalf Of Sara Glatt >>> Sent: 26 June 2008 22:56 >>> To: The Ibogaine List >>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold?Dana get a life >>> >>> >>> No Dana is not a bad boy but needs to be reminded of his promises >> that is >>> all. you can sweep the dirt under the carpet but it will not go way. >>> >>> >>>> Ooh Sarah >>>> >>>> You were one of the people who taught me when I started off with >>> Ibogaine. >>>> I still appreciate and remember your teachings. Also your >> unequalled >>>> hospitality when I visited you for a day 18 months or so ago. >>>> >>>> But - Dana being a bad boy? >>>> >>>> I also experienced his hospitality and his kindness. Albeit in >>> Washington >>>> DC, with the mother of his son and their family. We all chose >> to do >>> this >>>> thing. Lets just do it. Without the vibes that keep >> interfering with >>> our >>>> lives. >>>> >>>> Love and respect >>>> >>>> Charles> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 23:22:52 +0200> From: >> sara119 at xs4all.nl> >>>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold? >> Dana get >>> a >>>> life> > >> Dana,> > there is no excuse to blow up and throw >> shit at me> >>>> you probably know that a small amount of extract+treatment >> still cost >>> me> >>>> money, time, space, and energy which I can use for someone >> else.> > >>> please >>>> don't turn things around I'm not a fool, crazy or a lair.> > I >> have >>> talked >>>> to Denny lane and I'm not the only one who has problems with> your >>>> aggressive reactions, if you have paid for his treatment then >> he> would >>>> have known, but he doesn't and he is no dummy.> > Denny lane is >> saving >>>> money to come back here to do another iboga session> and pay >> for what >>> you >>>> haven't, because he is honest+he cares about me and> my family >> as much >>> as >>>> I for him.> > > I admit that it was stupid of me to trust you >> with Dolly >>>> and Todd, that> was my mistake, I never ever should have open >> my house >>> for >>>> those and other> demons, but then> 2012 is coming soon, the >> world as we >>>> know it will end and money will be> worthless.> > what >> reputation you >>>> have? I was told about your reputation by Jack Herer> who >> stayed here >>> for >>>> a week and other people from NORML, if anyone is doing> you >> wrong that >>>> yourself, if you approach people with kindness you will not> >> need to> >>> blow >>>> up like that assume things you have no prove of, get a life.> > >> Sara> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I paid in full for >> every one of >>>> those treatments except the 12> > steppers who turned you into >> the cops >>>> for growing pot. Paid in full.> > Every time. (Though how you >> could >>> charge >>>> full price for Aivia or> > Tracy doing a small amount of >> extract is >>>> troubling, to say the least.)> >> > You just want me to pay >> tens of >>>> thousands of dollars for Todd &> > Dolly, who you should have >> screened >>> out >>>> yourself. You should have> > sent them home the second it >> became clear >>>> that they wanted to move in> > on you and they had no intention >> of doing >>>> the ibogaine.> >> > I don't refer people to you any more >> because I do >>> only >>>> the most> > cursory screening on the phone, and I cannot be >> responsible >>>> for> > completely unforeseeable events.> >> > I am not an >> insurance >>>> company.> >> > Except for Todd and Dolly, you can't even >> quantify how >>> much >>>> is owed.> > Because I sent the money, and then you claimed it >> didn't >>>> count. That> > it was still owed.> >> > Check with Preston, the >> last >>>> person to come from here. His was paid> > in full, for what >> good it >>> does.> >>>>>>> Of course, he could have pocketed the money.> >> > I'm >> really in a >>>> jam. I'm tired of being trashed by you. I will not> > pay you a >> cent >>>> further because of the damage you continue to do to my> > >> reputation.> >>>>> >>>>> I try to settle all reasonable claims. But I do not respond >> well to> > >>>> BLACKMAIL.> >> > I think you're making%2> > > -=[) ::::::: >> MindVox | >>>> Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=-> (][%] :: >>>> http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][)> -= >> [) :::: Change >>>> Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> Tired of having no room left in your inbox? Windows Live >> Hotmail now >>> gives >>>> you 5GB of FREE storage! 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URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080707/84f7d8d4/attachment-0001.htm From ted at masonenterprises.com Mon Jul 7 23:48:17 2008 From: ted at masonenterprises.com (Albert T. Mason III) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 23:48:17 -0400 Subject: [Ibogaine] Hello all ...Question Please In-Reply-To: <544226.64181.qm@web35502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <544226.64181.qm@web35502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <035c01c8e0ad$75a1c840$60e558c0$@com> I had been researching Ibogaine for two years now. I was diagnosed with rheumatoid Arthritis 15 years ago and had lead a very propductive life up until about a year ago. I was on all the standard medicines for my disease and around 7 years ago was put on Oxycontin for the pain of some joint damage that was occurring that later required surgery. Woke up a year ago and noticed an increase need for more Oxy and went up to a level of 80 mg a day. Off course developed sleeping issues and followed the Oxy with temezepam 60 mg a night. Then one day a year ago I ran out of the Oxy one day prior to my script and had sever withdrawal symptoms. That day started a devastating chain of events. I went in and told my doctor who had been prescribing all my meds and immediately she wanted to pass me off to a pain management doc and treated me like a leper!!!! I was compliant and angry that what the doctors told me was a great drug and encouraged me to take 6 years earlier (and it helped greatly with the pain) now, it was taboo and I was some kind of bad person for taking it???? So, Let the pain doc talk me into Suboxone, and that shit made me crazy and I could not sleep for days and it did not help with pain. So, Went back to my rhematologist after 4 months and got back on all previous medication. All this time Ibogaine was in my mind but the hurdles to jump thru were expensive and time consuming. So, I thought, Hell, I am not on Heroin or really high dosages of Oxy, so I checked myself into a Detox unit. OMG what a freaking mistake that was. Yes, I am off of Benzo's (Temezepam) and Oxy, but I still have Arthritis and pain. However, while in Detox. the first 5 days were the worse experience of my life. Treated like shit and my body and mind freaked me out for the first few days. This Detox unit was "tough love" no sugar, no caiffend, no coffee, nothing. But I did have a clear insight while in the throws of the worse of it. I saw these glimpses of myself, feelings of guilt, shame, unworthiness and anger at the drug companies and doctors that I was in this state. So, something inside of me said, IBOGAINE is said to help one address those psycho elements buried inside that Detox just reveals to yourself. So, my question is this, since I am detoxed off the meds, do you guys and gals think that a Ibo session would benefit and since there is now no DETOX ELEMENT to my situation, what dosage would be needed to achieve a therapeutic cleansing and resetting of chemicals in my brain that Oxy and Benzo's have effected after my years of use. I just have a sense that the real biological damage of opiates and benzo's will not correct for a long time and that Ibogaine could correct it fast and help alleviate my suffering . because I am still very depressed and I remember the old me . a fantastic, strong mind, never depressed and now I have a lack of will to live. Any advice? Would just a booster dose help me to reset body chemistry to pre-addictive state? Thanks, Ted From: ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com [mailto:ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com] On Behalf Of Capt Kirk Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 3:34 AM To: The Ibogaine List Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OI! Hey thar Simon! How do you deal with the amount needed to take? That was the biggie for me....and I'm sure others....which makes Ibogaine alot more attractive to take, in strength and amount........I think I od'd on capsules lol ----- Original Message ---- From: simon loxton To: The Ibogaine List Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 7:29:37 PM Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OI! I beg to differ, the root bark is more than sufficient it just depends on the quality. Most commercial root bark is rubbish but with the iboga that is used as sacrament which i have tested; 30g is enough for a full reset 15g then 15g the next day if you cant manage all in 6 hrs. There is more of an art to it than ibogaine though. ----- Original Message ---- From: Capt Kirk To: The Ibogaine List Sent: Wednesday, 18 June, 2008 9:11:44 AM Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OI! Hi Patrick, I tried the rootbark for coming off poppy seed tea, and I would strongly recommend you save up and go for the ibogaine option, the rootbark just isn't strong enough to deal out the opiate addiction, although in hindsight, it did reduce withdrawals,you wont get the full noise as with a decent dose of ibogaine, I would also strongly recommend you hang around here and get to know everyone... as you said Ibogaine is illegal in the USA...... so you'll get more help here if you hang around and participate ;o) 4 grams of rootbark would be a lot of material to try and ingest! I had about 130 odd capsules that I tried to get down me throat..... I had vomiting and diarreoha (I HATE spelling that word LOL) diereehahahahhahahaha no not funny at the time....lol anyway, I do wish you all the best and hope you get to ibo it at some stage..... Cheers Kirk ----- Original Message ---- From: Patrick Corbin To: ibogaine at mindvox.com Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 5:14:48 PM Subject: [Ibogaine] OI! Pardon me folks, I just got a quickie, I am new to this iboga thing but i've been struggling with a nasty Heroin habit off and on for the last ten years...I recently had 3 years of clean time....but i ran into some old friends and it was off to the races with xanax and heroin again for the last 3 months...well i recently learned of iboga and contacted dr. mash and talked to her....well I can't leave the U.S. for legal reasons so if I purchased some "grade A iboga rootbark" online.... Ok..now how many grams would one consume if one were to actually try to experience the legendary effects of this miracle plant? if I bought 4 grams for $50. Would that be enough or is that to much? _____ Sent from Yahoo! Mail . A Smarter Email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080707/497448df/attachment.htm From bradleyheathhays at gmail.com Tue Jul 8 02:12:06 2008 From: bradleyheathhays at gmail.com (Brad Hays) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 02:12:06 -0400 Subject: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Digest, Vol 10, Issue 308 In-Reply-To: <14731.24939.qm@web37404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <14731.24939.qm@web37404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1f5488f0807072312g66e5f605l152bd233ecf85677@mail.gmail.com> Val, did you read the previous post I made to you a few weeks back? On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 12:35 AM, Adam Nodelman wrote: > whoa... > ----- Original Message ---- > From: valerie > To: ibogaine at mindvox.com > Sent: Monday, July 7, 2008 11:20:17 PM > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Digest, Vol 10, Issue 308 > > Debts and Anger: > > I see the broken bong issue and the replacement is the responsibility of > the one who broke it. But they seldom want to pay it forward, if you forgive > them they often look you up and pay one day when they figure it > out...ESPECIALLY the addicts living in the moment and try and get on over on > anyone and everyone...I think ibogaine would work better if you don't hang > on to the past. All the people that got robbed in their homes, and can't > sue the addict...they are out there too...the addict is so well known to say > and do ANYTHING for the next fix alone...scared of pain...drug always comes > first. SO CRAZY to assume and put people out with the burden of > illegal. Homeowners and renters can't help you break the law 3 times a > day, 3 fixes a day....what a lot of burden to the leaseholder, and > homeowners...to worry about losing a home. THEY DO TAKE THE HOMES AWAY ON > THIS OFTEN!!! THE DOPE DEALER should supply a place for this shit like the > bars do for liquor! If this isn't reason enough to get your ibogaine, and > work and pay to stay off illegal drugs so your world doesn't get real > secret, sneaky and small, then I gotta say, the person may deserve the great > pain, because what do they think they are to other's? An asset they are > not!... I can see they don't know...their KARMA is getting worse and longer > to repent...each fix...is a block on your responsibility to get off the > stuff or move out on the street and take your staph infection, sugar > cravings, cellulitis, hepatitis, and diabetes with you! Scream that > everybody is mean and nasty and learn...that's what you get for day after > day after day of bothering people with intent to be doing nothing but > drugs when only certain seedy, sneaky, persons and carrier pidgeons can be > your friends. How we keep our home is to get rid of dope...Sure addicts > want to hope things are none of the buisness of the neighbors, police, and > hide under privacy laws, taking advantage of a respected straight > person. They want just one more fix, just one more day...just pay for dope > and STIFF OR IGNORE anyone else that needs money from them. WHY can't they > see how RUDE the drug has made them how deep into taking though aggressive > begging, even stealing? It's a path to little help from people except from > the snotty young runners that think the big dope man is going to make them > rich one day...so your have to put up with their plans to be a big criminal, > so you not doing them any real favors to tie up their time on a bad path for > themselves to earn money. Circumstances are what they are, some things can't > change anytime soon so...it's so important to take ibogaine and be over with > this drug even the doctor's can't get it for anyone....and all the people > that the addict clicks with are hurting all the people you can be real with > because they are sneakily depending on you to be their friend, their > buisness, and their territory, while your real life with people that enjoy > who you are, is slipping away into something that didn't need to be, the > drug is a great kidnapper, I'm not saying people can't have it once a month > for a good time... > > but I can see the addicts are such hardcore mindsets...who often don't want > to live anyway...they don't like what they have... no more, if that sounds > like poor english I mean to say, what they have is NO MORE other than the > opportunity to learn to give...try being a 24/7 mother and find out...what > you get...giving works out for the better after all. My mom died of horrible > pancreatic cancer(the most painful one known), the worst one ever seen, ON > NO DRUGS BUT ASPIRIN! She knew how to give and conquer mind over matter. > > ~ouivalerie at yahoo.com <%7Eouivalerie at yahoo.com> > > --- On *Fri, 6/27/08, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com < > ibogaine-request at mindvox.com>* wrote: > > From: ibogaine-request at mindvox.com > Subject: Ibogaine Digest, Vol 10, Issue 308 > To: ibogaine at mindvox.com > Date: Friday, June 27, 2008, 11:42 AM > > Send Ibogaine mailing list submissions to > ibogaine at mindvox.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > ibogaine-request at mindvox.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > ibogaine-owner at mindvox.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Ibogaine digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Leo Finegold?Dana get a life (Dana Beal) > 2. Re: USA and AIDS (j0n at just-say-know.org) > 3. Re: qualities around the > world/NYC-chi-town (Paul Brookshaw) > 4. Re: Leo Finegold?Dana get a life (Nelson Comerci) > 5. Re: alternative to opiate or addictive pain medication > (Luke Christoffersen) > 6. Re: qualities around the world/NYC-chi-town (simon loxton) > 7. NSAID anti-inflammatorys (Luke Christoffersen) > 8. Re: qualities around the world/NYC-chi-town (Paul Brookshaw) > 9. Re: Ibogaine Re: OT (Matt Shriver) > 10. Re: Ibogaine Digest, Vol 10, Issue 305 (Jeremy Spence) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:54:27 -0400 > From: Dana Beal > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold?Dana get a life > To: The Ibogaine List > Message-ID: <771594A7-654D-48E3-9D50-EC85A8314AB1 at phantom.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Yeah, but to continue the sniping and innuendo for > years over a > broken BONG? > > The point is that this can't be settled privately. It's been tried > numerous times. I want Sara to cease and desist. > > I'm appealing to a jury of my peers--the LIst--for a settlement of > this dispute. > > Dana/cnw > > > On Jun 27, 2008, at 11:01 AM, Brad Hays wrote: > > > I don't give a shit. Get this crap off the list and deal with it > > yourselves. You both have each other's emails. Get together and > > be done with it. This ain't a freakin circus. Any more postings > > here and you're both just wanting everyone else to see what you > > have to say between yourselves. Have yall forgotten this is going > > out to 7000+ people? How old are you guys anyway? > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 10:24 AM, Dana Beal > wrote: > > Other folks, looking at the fix I'm in, are forgiving claims for > > broken > bongs. > > > > Dana/cnw > > > > On Jun 27, 2008, at 9:37 AM, Sara Glatt wrote: > > > > >> > > > Dana, > > > > > > the amount of money is nothing to do with Preston and is not > > > important, > > > with any amount I will not feel ignored or lied to. > > > > > > it is your gesture to show some respect to yourself and me, that > > > you can > > > keep your words. > > > > > > it is strange that you write my name on your MMM list with amount > > > of money > > > for a treatment with me, but then you don't know how much you > > > should give > > > back. > > > if only you paid 1/4 of Denny lane treatment.(2003) you have > > forgotten > > > that he broke a 300$ worth of coloured glass pipe , which I never > > > asked > > > one cent for. > > > > > > that's all now, until next > year. > > > > > > Sara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NIck, > > >> > > >> Sara is being disingenuous. Why doesn't she give the list an > > > itemized > > >> list of moneys that I'm supposed to owe her? > > >> > > >> Then I will check with the persons in question to find out if > they > > >> remember it being paid at the time. > > >> > > >> It's a long time ago, and I don't remember all the > details. > > >> > > >> I think you will find that it's all about the theory that I > owe her > > >> some fantastic amount in punitive damages for the trouble Todd > and > > >> Dolly caused her. > > >> > > >> Dimitri tried working this out, and after I > sought to pay her > > off and > > >> she simply applied everything to Preston's treatment, he > > concluded no > > >> amount of money would satisfy her. > > >> > > >> (That was one expensive treatment.) > > >> > > >> BTW, it's interesting that she concurs with Alex Wodak and > Stign > > >> Gossens that scientific evidence of ibogaine efficacy should be > > >> excluded from international conferences -- because I'm not > supposed > > >> to go to any conferences present it as long as I haven't > satisfied > > >> her demands, remember? > > >> > > >> Dr. Ken doesn't want to go to the international meth > conference in > > >> Prague. > > >> > > >> Dana/cnw > > >> > > >> On Jun 27, 2008, at 7:37 AM, Nick Sandberg wrote: > > >> > > >>> Hi Dana and > Sara, > > >>> > > >>> How about you also write what you appreciate about each other > as > > >>> well as all > > >>> the bitchy stuff? Just to bring in a bit of balance. > > >>> > > >>> Nick > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>> -----Original Message----- > > >>>> From: ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com [mailto:ibogaine- > > >>>> bounces at mindvox.com] > > >>>> On Behalf Of Sara Glatt > > >>>> Sent: 26 June 2008 22:56 > > >>>> To: The Ibogaine List > > >>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold?Dana get a life > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> No Dana is not a bad boy but needs to be reminded of his > promises > > >>>> that is > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > -=[) ::::::: > MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- > > > (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) > > > -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- > > > > > > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- > > (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) > > -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- > > > > > > > > -- > > ~~_/) ~~ > > http://www.maps.org > > > > > > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- > > (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) > > -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was > scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080627/7925d2ff/attachment-0001.htm > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:01:20 -0600 (MDT) > From: j0n at just-say-know.org > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] USA and AIDS > To: "The Ibogaine List" > Message-ID: > <54467.71.206.29.227.1214582480.squirrel at mail.just-say-know.org> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > you make it sound like the fascism of the United States is some kinda > recent development... > > > > > btw, hi again everyone. been a while... > > > > j0n > > > >
That's only because the US has > > become a fascist shite hole Charles.
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> > > > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- > > (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) > > -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 17:37:19 +0100 > From: Paul Brookshaw > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] qualities around the world/NYC-chi-town > To: The Ibogaine List > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > The pupose of this forum is about Iboga/Ibogaine' > > To continue in drug seeking/ > exchanging or stories of drug seeking' would > show an inability to accept change' > Our future must differ from our past' in order for our future to be > different' from our past' > (appreciated for that one Preston' it sorts out a lot) > Exchange of these ideas privately by personal email would seem to be the only > way foreward with Iboga/Ibogaine' > > Blessed Be > > Motamba > > Keep tracking the love ~ ~ > > Outside inside Outside Out! > > > > > > > From: dcollier9 at cox.net > > To: ibogaine at mindvox.com > > Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 17:40:55 -0700 > > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] qualities around the world/NYC-chi-town > > > > try Chicago much better quality than nyc, downstate (Decatur, Chatham) > > Illinois is good too, if not better... > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Donzo > > "Love converts hearts, and gives peace." > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Preston Peet" > > To: "The Ibogaine List" > > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 8:17 AM > > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] qualities around the world/NYC > > > > > > LOL!!! > > Oh Sophia, > > I too remember first arriving in NYC from a year spent busking and > squatting > > and shooting in London, and boy was I seriously disappointed in the > > difference in quality between NYC and London's H. I was told at the N. > > > Exchange in LES to "be careful, some of the stuff around here is very > > > strong," so I got all excited before banging my first NYC bag- then > was ever > > so seriously disappointed after getting it in me. I was no longer sick, > but > > I was nowhere near high/stoned/satisfied. > > Sigh. > > > > > > > > > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- > > (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) > > -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- > > _________________________________________________________________ > > All new Live Search at Live.com > > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000006ukm/direct/01/ > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080627/9b9bed80/attachment-0001.htm > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:13:25 -0700 (PDT) > From: Nelson Comerci > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold?Dana get a life > To: The Ibogaine List > Message-ID: <827899.94367.qm at web34502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset=us-ascii > > isn't capitalism how this whole human mess started? > > we all need to make a living. > but some of us want to make a killing. > > sometimes you come ahead, sometimes you get behind. > > it really doesn't matter. > and if anyone thinks it does, then there is homework to be done. > > lets please move on with the intention of cooperation for a greater good. > > humbling as it is, coming to a common point of understanding is very easy. > just meet the other half way, not 49% and not 51%, just half way. > > you would be surprised what can be accomplished, fostering dignity and > responsibility rather than resentment or guilt. > > dana i don't know you that well, but we put on the SF conference together a > few years back. (i gladly lost $1,000 putting than great meeting together...) > > sara i have never met you but you were instrumental in helping me help many > people in amerikkka who are still clean > today. (it was a shame that you blew me > off and never answered me why you were no longer offering...) > > long story short, as practitioners, facilitators, researchers, activists, > mis-users, addicts, CIA, and whoever else is on this list....we are interested > in this Plant Teacher because we deeply know it has truth and power beyond our > human capabilities. > > what we do with the little bit of truth and power that sometimes rubs off on us > as we do the good work (CIA excluded) is important. > > and bickering about cash, bongs, & idiot-narcs is not conducive to coming > to a common point of understanding. > > sorry for the rant. > > > > > > Nelson Ivan Comerci > Licensed Acupuncturist and Herbalist > > > The Future Is History > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 18:23:47 +0100 > From: "Luke Christoffersen" > > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] alternative to opiate or addictive pain > medication > To: "The Ibogaine List" > Message-ID: > <4c90d90806271023r6e588cb6i7538ba2810c3f09e at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > What are the seven dragons? Can your body get a tolerance to > acupuncture enduced endorphins? > > > On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 2:05 AM, DC in AZ wrote: > > I vouch for acupuncture too, but steer clear of the seven dragons, which > > wore me out, and I caught > > a head cold, smile. acupuncture, if done right, and gets a 'rise' > out of ya, > > by getting stuck in a certain > > way in certain places, will send the endorphins rushin in fer sure, but > too > > many for too long is what wears you out. > > maybe only 6 > dragons... > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Donzo > > "Love converts hearts, and gives peace." > > __________________________________________________ > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Sara Glatt" > > To: "The Ibogaine List" > > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 3:45 PM > > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] alternative to opiate or addictive pain medication > > > > > >> Acupuncture helped me from chronic rheumatic pains + Sallaki ointment. > >> > > > > > > > > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- > > (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) > > -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 17:24:57 +0000 > (GMT) > From: simon loxton > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] qualities around the world/NYC-chi-town > To: The Ibogaine List > Message-ID: <926445.73559.qm at web28614.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Exchange of personal experience/stories of drug use or usage can help the > individual to relate to another that has gone through the same or similar > experiences. If this means progress through iboga or other means; progress is > what we are looking for; but to judge some one on based on the type of drugs > they take or talk about is discriminatory. > Its no ones business what we do so long as it does not infringe on the > rights of others; while having to face severe social judgment based solely > on ones drug of choice. Maintenance with the option to treatment should one > choose; and the freedom to choose the form of treatment. > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Paul Brookshaw > To: The Ibogaine List > Sent: Friday, 27 June, 2008 6:37:19 PM > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] qualities around the world/NYC-chi-town > > The pupose of this forum is about Iboga/Ibogaine' > > To continue in drug seeking/ exchanging or stories of drug seeking' would > show an inability to accept change' > Our future must differ from our past' in order for our future to be > different' from our past' > (appreciated for that one Preston' it sorts out a lot) > Exchange of these ideas privately by personal email would seem to be the only > way foreward with Iboga/Ibogaine' > > Blessed Be > > Motamba > > Keep tracking the love ~ ~ > > Outside inside Outside Out! > > > > > > > From: dcollier9 at cox.net > > To: ibogaine at mindvox.com > > Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 17:40:55 -0700 > > > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] qualities around the world/NYC-chi-town > > > > try Chicago much better quality than nyc, downstate (Decatur, Chatham) > > Illinois is good too, if not better... > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Donzo > > "Love converts hearts, and gives peace." > > __________________________________________________ > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Preston Peet" > > To: "The Ibogaine List" > > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 8:17 AM > > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] qualities around the world/NYC > > > > > > LOL!!! > > Oh Sophia, > > I too remember first arriving in NYC from a year spent busking and > squatting > > and shooting in London, and boy was I seriously disappointed in the > > difference in quality between NYC and London's H. I was > told at the N. > > > Exchange in LES to "be careful, some of the stuff around here is very > > > strong," so I got all excited before banging my first NYC bag- then > was ever > > so seriously disappointed after getting it in me. I was no longer sick, > but > > I was nowhere near high/stoned/satisfied. > > Sigh. > > > > > > > > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- > > (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) > > -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- > > ________________________________ > Miss your Messenger buddies when on-the-go? Get Messenger on your Mobile! > > > __________________________________________________________ > Not happy with your email address?. > Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at > Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html > -------------- > next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080627/50404f7f/attachment-0001.htm > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 18:44:41 +0100 > From: "Luke Christoffersen" > Subject: [Ibogaine] NSAID anti-inflammatorys > To: "The Ibogaine List" > Message-ID: > <4c90d90806271044o7bb8808fw5561a32a9e55c19e at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Can NSAID painkillers be taken when using ibogaine? > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:10:28 +0100 > From: Paul Brookshaw > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] qualities around the world/NYC-chi-town > To: The Ibogaine List > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > The pupose of this forum is about Iboga/Ibogaine' > > To continue in drug seeking/ exchanging or stories of drug seeking' would > show an inability to accept change' > Our future must differ from our past' in order for our future to be > different' from our past' > (appreciated for that one Preston' it sorts out a lot) > Exchange of these ideas privately by personal email would seem to be the only > way foreward with Iboga/Ibogaine' > > Blessed Be > > Motamba > > Keep tracking the love ~ ~ > > Outside inside Outside Out! > > > > > > > From: dcollier9 at cox.net > > To: ibogaine at mindvox.com > > Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 17:40:55 -0700 > > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] qualities around the world/NYC-chi-town > > > > try Chicago much better quality than nyc, downstate (Decatur, Chatham) > > > Illinois is good too, if not better... > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Donzo > > "Love converts hearts, and gives peace." > > __________________________________________________ > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Preston Peet" > > To: "The Ibogaine List" > > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 8:17 AM > > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] qualities around the world/NYC > > > > > > LOL!!! > > Oh Sophia, > > I too remember first arriving in NYC from a year spent busking and > squatting > > and shooting in London, and boy was I seriously disappointed in the > > difference in quality between NYC and London's H. I was told at the N. > > > Exchange in LES to "be careful, some of the stuff around here is very > > > strong," so I got all excited before > banging my first NYC bag- then > was ever > > so seriously disappointed after getting it in me. I was no longer sick, > but > > I was nowhere near high/stoned/satisfied. > > Sigh. > > > > > > > > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- > > (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) > > -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- > > _________________________________________________________________ > > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000002ukm/direct/01/ > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080627/25de5264/attachment-0001.htm > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:33:18 -0600 > From: Matt Shriver > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Re: OT > To: > The Ibogaine List > Message-ID: <4865326E.9010406 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > If you mean me then yes. > > Warren Theriot wrote: > > Matt, can I ask you some questions off list about Ibogaine treatments? > > Warren > > > > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- > > (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) > > -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:42:20 -0500 > From: Jeremy Spence > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Digest, Vol 10, Issue 305 > To: ibogaine at mindvox.com > Message-ID: <18539209-BCE0-4FC4-BF88-E3A5FF87610A at mac.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > I can't use I > lot of different medicine, they make my IC worse!! It > has something to do with the drugs turning to acid in the body and > most all drugs 99% do. I have to be on a really low acid diet and low > acid lifestyle, for some strange reason the methadone does not bother > me, why I really don't know, its has something to do with the acid > thought. > > I have a really strange disease, its not well known! Its taken me 10 > years to get my diet perfect!!! Yea, 10 years!! > > I can't take a lot of medicines, it sucks!! Its crazy!! You have no > idea, I can't even explained to you!! I can't take much medicine at > all, it will put me into more pain!! It's beyond what you even know!! > Take take herbs, hardly can eat food, much less take medicine. I wish > I could take other medicine them the methadone, or I would! I hate > the methadone > > For some crazy ass reason, methadone is one of the only medicine that > > my bladder will tolerate, why I really don't for sure? > Other then its not acidic, and most drugs natural and unrturn to > acidy, Its a very complex problem! Some people who have IC can take > a lot more then me, but through out the years I damaged the hell out > it, by not really knowing what the hell to do! > And it made the disease progress. > > The only reason I wondered about the iboga is if I healed up one day, > for I hate coming off the damm methadone!! I done it the hard way too > many times, and i hate it!!! > > Now, understand, I would not be able to take the iboga probably right > now because my bladder is no where near strong enough yet, but i hope > to one day beat what I am fighting with my IC! I extremely hard though!! > > I am not like a normal person who has pain, I can't just take what > ever I want for it, my bladder does not have a ling on it, and almost > everything bother its!! Drugs, > chemicals, foods, I can't have > preservatives, gluten, all kind of things that most people don't even > think twice about putting in their bodies I can't have right now, its > hardcore!! > > But after while, after I kill myself and work like a dog with my diet > and everything, i slow do build up and can have more things(cheat), > but I still can't just do that forever! I still got watch, I will > probably always have to watch what I do for the rest of my life!! > > But the main reason I was asking info about iboga is because have > gotten to place many time before where I have got pain free at times > and can handle taking almost anything(being pretty close to normal, > its just hard for to keep), its just I got to pick and choose what I > take carefully, and for how long I take it, i can't take it forever, > or my IC will come back again!! > > But I hopefully may get my IC into remission, but even if I do, > I > still won't be to take and do, and eat things without thinking about > it, i will have to watch how much I do or my IC will come back and > kill me again! > > I doing a lot for it right now, Dieting hardcore, vitamins IV's, MSM > IV's, aloe vera, staying away from most all chemicals, also taking MSM > orally, and instilling it in my bladder(I know crazy, but it helps) > None this just cures me, but it helps, and hopefully it will put me > back into remission!! > > I am trying to do other things a well(mean natural treatments), but I > got to really watch what i take because my bladder is > sooooooooooooooooo sensitive, I mean off the scale!!! It getting > better though, because of everything I am doing, I been in reemission > a few time before, but it comes back on me. > > I was would love to do some iboga to help me come off this when I get > completely better, but the thing is if I did that, I would > have to > watch how long I took the stuff, for my IC can and will come back on > me(its not just iboga, anything can basicely cause my ic to come back > again, most drugs can and will cause my ic to come back, some kinds of > food can do it to, most drugs, coffee, ect, ect, ect the list goes on > and on, methadone seems to be one of the only drugs I take take > without more pain, crazy I know!!!!!! I must stay on a really low acid > lifestyle!! And most things are acid in this world!!! So you can > understand what a fight I have!!! The goal is to get to point where I > am out of free all the time and for long time, and then try to come > off the methadone again. I like to try with iboga, maybe?? > > But my bladder would have to be strong enough to come off the > methadone for many months, let alone the iboga. But I think it could > be possible, because I been pretty close before, many times, I mean > healed, > its just that It comes back that all. > But, I don't think I really ever been completely, completely , healed > you know, I don't know, its a crazy disease, people have no idea, and > you don't want to know either!! > > I wish i take a other drug other then methadone, but Every time I try > to change drugs, my bladder goes nuts!!! My bladder is very sensitive > to chemicals when I not healed up, but when i am healed some nothing > bothers, well until my IC comes back I mean. > It's took me many years to figure this thing all out, and it has not > been easy, all trail and error!! > > so for all the info, hope I don't bother anybody, it I do, I am sorry, > but its still about me trying iboga one day to come off methadone, and > that's what I thought this board was for, iboga info and help, its it > not??? > > Thanks to all trying to help > See you > JS > > On Jun 27, 2008, at 8:50 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com > wrote: > > > Send Ibogaine mailing list submissions to > > ibogaine at mindvox.com > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > ibogaine-request at mindvox.com > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > ibogaine-owner at mindvox.com > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Ibogaine digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: How many grams one need coming off methadone with regular > > Iboga root or bark?? (shelley krupa) > > 2. Re: Leo Finegold?Dana get a life (Sara Glatt) > > 3. Re: Leo Finegold?Dana get a life (Dana Beal) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 05:50:07 -0700 (PDT) > > From: shelley krupa > > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] How many grams one need coming off methadone > > with regular Iboga root or bark?? > > To: The Ibogaine List > > Message-ID: <678421.20550.qm at web82104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > Hey Jeremy,sorry to hear about your IC,I'd probably try the > > alternative health route(I learned acupuncture after I did > > iboga),have you ever heard of kratom?I've read some ppl get off > > opiates w/ it & get pain relief,however ,it can be addictive,but it > > is legal,but I'm w/ preston,do what you need to,what about sub?- > > seems like a person has more normalcy on it for chronic pain,-shell > > > > Sophia Depas wrote: here here! Quite > agree > > Preston! > > > > On 6/26/08, Preston Peet > > wrote: > >> Jeremy > >> As a chronic pain patient, I can empathize. > >> My two cents? Don't sweat being on methadone if it helps you deal > > >> with being alive and in so much pain. There's absolutely no reason > > >> why you should have to live with such pain if you have recourse to > >> something that gives you some semblence of relief and the ability > >> to survive.\ > >> Being physically addicted sucks, but not nearly as much as trying > >> to live drug free AND in agonizing pain, often what happens to us > >> who are pain ridden yet living in a prohibitionistic society that > >> tells us the ideal is to be drug free no matter what. > >> Best to you, and good luck. > >> Preston > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ---- > >> From: Jeremy > Spence > >> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com > >> > >> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 2:58:08 AM > >> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] How many grams one need coming off > >> methadone with regular Iboga root or bark?? > >> > >> I just was wondering??? > >> > >> I saw that sara house video, and say said she gave him 5 grams, is > >> that 5 gram of Iboga, or 5 grams of Ibogaine??? > >> Plus he was coming off weed, I am sure you would need a lot more for > >> coming off methaodne would you not?? > >> > >> I am on methadone for choric pain, I hate taking it, and i have tired > >> many, many times to get off, but my pain is so bad with the rare > >> disease I have that I just can't do it. Its not the withdraw, that > >> not the reason I can't get off the methadone, its the freak en > pain. > >> I hope to get my bladder disease in remission again, I > am working my > >> ass off with my diet and trying to doing everything possible to help > >> myself heal, but I have a real bad case of IC(its a rare bladder > >> disease, extremely painful, I mean like end stage cancer pain shit!!) > >> > >> I had it better a few times from working my ass off with the diet and > >> natural treatments, supplements, ect, but I have so much damage from > >> all the drugs the doctors gave me when they didn't not know what > to > >> do > >> for me to eas my pain you know, but it end up causing more damage > >> down > >> the road. > >> > >> Now I am only on methadone, and no other drugs, methadone seems to be > >> one of the only medicine that does not cause more damage to my > >> bladder(I think because methadone does not turn to acid in the urine > >> like most drugs do) I just got lucky finding a drug that > I can take > >> for pain, but I still hate taking it with a passion!!! > >> > >> > >> I was asking about Iboga dosing for methadone, I just wondered about > >> it that all??? I can't get off the methadone right now anyways > >> because I am in too much pain right now, but one day i hope might be > >> pain free, for I have been very close in the past, the only thing is > >> my cond. likes to come back really easy, that's my main problem. > >> > >> However, even though, I can stand to withdraw off the methadone, > >> because I done it so many times to come off it(longest I made it was > >> about 4 months off. but my pain came back hardcore, and I had turn > >> around and get back on it again, sucks ass), I don't like it very > > >> much. > >> I trying to research everything I can about Iboga, so if one day I am > >> heal enough, I would > "maybe" see about trying to get some > Iboga to > >> freak en coming off the freak en methadone. I would rather use > >> something natural to come off with anyways!!! Only thing is a live in > >> the US(fuck up drug laws) But you know what I got to say about that, > >> Fuck this gov!!!!! That what I got to say, These stupid ass DEA > >> people can withdraw for 6 months and see how it's like coming off > a > >> drug they were force to get on because of pain!! It's not freak en > >> fare that I should have to suffer, after what I have had to suffer > >> already with my stupid disease!!! Those people can freak en go to > >> hell!! That's Just my thought. My goal is to be on "NO > medicine!!!" > >> That's my long term goal. > >> > >> To all the people on here who don't have pain, Thank your lucky > stars > >> you don't I wish to God I > didn't > >> > >> > >> Any info > >> Thanks for the help > >> JS > >> On Jun 26, 2008, at 12:33 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote: > >> > >>> Send Ibogaine mailing list submissions to > >>> ibogaine at mindvox.com > >>> > >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > >>> http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine > >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' > to > >>> ibogaine-request at mindvox.com > >>> > >>> You can reach the person managing the list at > >>> ibogaine-owner at mindvox.com > >>> > >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more > specific > >>> than "Re: Contents of Ibogaine digest..." > >>> > >>> > >>> Today's Topics: > >>> > >>> 1. Re: Iboga films on > Current TV (Mark Corcoran) > >>> 2. Re: Leo Finegold? (Preston Peet) > >>> 3. Re: Ibogaine Re: dogs (Warren Theriot) > >>> 4. Re: Ibogaine Re: dogs (Matt Shriver) > >>> 5. Re: Ibogaine Re: dogs (Warren Theriot) > >>> 6. Re: Post this to the list ASAP (Sophia Depas) > >>> 7. Re: Leo Finegold? (Sophia Depas) > >>> 8. Re: Ibogaine Re: dogs (Matt Shriver) > >>> 9. Re: Leo Finegold? (Sara Glatt) > >>> > >>> > >>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> > >>> Message: 1 > >>> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 13:47:59 -0700 (PDT) > >>> From: Mark Corcoran > >>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga films on Current TV > >> > >>> To: The Ibogaine List > >> > >>> Message-ID: <205646.30154.qm at web45201.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> > >>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > >>> > >>> it worked. > >>> > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ---- > >>> From: simon loxton > >> > >>> To: The Ibogaine List > >> > >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 4:04:32 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga films on Current TV > >>> > >>> > >>> Do you have any say at all or are you just hoping for the best? > >>> There is nothing worse in these types of situations than editors > who > >>> make the choice of what message they want to convey; I hope it > works > >>> for you and nothing gets used out of context. > >>> I am sure it will be fine! > >>> Where is it going to be shown? Is it like a channel 4 type thing? > >>> > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ---- > >>> From: Nick > Sandberg > >> > >>> To: The Ibogaine List > >> > >>> Sent: Wednesday, 25 June, 2008 9:54:23 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga films on Current TV > >>> > >>> > >>> Don?t know. Probably I look a twat, and am edited to say something > >>> terrible and be excommunicated. That?s my mindfuck, anyway. I so > >>> hate myself in photos and movies also. Will be grueling to watch! > >>> Apparently it?s called ?Tripping the Habit.? The film-maker Ed > said > >>> he had no choice in the title. > >>> ? > >>> Nick > >>> ? > >>> > >>> ________________________________ > >>> > >>> From:ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com [mailto:ibogaine- > >>> bounces at mindvox.com] On Behalf Of Randy Faulconer > >>> Sent: 25 June 2008 19:34 > >>> To: The Ibogaine > List > >>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga films on Current TV > >>> ? > >>> ??? GET DOWN WILLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We need all of the pub we can > get. > >>> I'm sure it is in a positive light isn't it Nick? > >>> ? > >>> ????????? Peace Love and Spotlights > >>> ?????????????? Randy > >>> On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 12:33 PM, simon loxton > > > > wrote: > >>> Nice one Nick; > >>> > >>> Look forward to it. > >>> ? > >>> ----- Original Message ---- > >>> From: Nick Sandberg > >>> To: Ibogaine List > >>> Sent: Wednesday, 25 June, 2008 6:25:35 PM > >>> Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga films on Current TV > >>> There are a couple of ibogaine movies coming out on Current TV > this > >>> week, viewable online. (2 in one week, just like buses!). > >>> ? > >>> > The first is about Sara's House and is already online at > http://current.com/items/89043771_tripping_in_amsterdam > >>> ? > >>> The second is due out Thursday, tomorrow, and is by Ed Owles. Not > >>> sure of the title but it's got me in it! Should be on this > link > >>> sometime Thursday or after www.current.com/wasted > >>> ? > >>> Nick > >>> ? > >>> > >>> ________________________________ > >>> > >>> Sent from Yahoo! Mail. > >>> A Smarter Email. > >>> > >>> > >> > >>> ?-=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- > >> > >>> (][%] ?:: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: ?[%][) > >>> ?-=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- > >> > >>> ? > >>> ________________________________ > >>> Sent > from Yahoo! Mail. > >>> A Smarter Email. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >>> URL: > http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080625/8d8b9890/attachment-0001.htm > >>> > >>> ------------------------------ > >>> > >>> Message: 2 > >>> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:42:20 -0700 (PDT) > >>> From: Preston Peet > > > >>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold? > >> > >>> To: The Ibogaine List > >> > >>> Message-ID: <347130.92289.qm at web63010.mail.re1.yahoo.com> > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > >>> > >>> That's TERRIBLE! > >>> Thanks for cluing us in. I'm so glad I didn't get that > person > >>> involved in my own > history. > >>> You look great in that video btw Sara, very happy and healthy. > >>> Best to you and the kids. > >>> Peace, love and as always Lotsof respect. > >>> Preston > >>> > >> > >>> ----- Original Message ---- > >>> From: Sara Glatt > >>> To: The Ibogaine List > >> > >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 1:29:25 AM > >>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold? > >>> > >>> > >>> Preston, > >>> > >>> yes, you got it right, the person got a placebo after he paid for > a > >>> treatment. > >>> it is done in the US , I got the info by email, I don't know > the > >>> people > >>> personally, but the email was written with a lot of pain which > >>> made me > >>> react, don't think anybody would want to write to me in > person > if > >>> there > >>> was nothing wrong. beside if I'll give you names I may get in > >>> trouble and > >>> I can't deal with more troubles then I'm already in from > passed > >>> years, > >>> which is still in the European court for Human rights. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> Then PLEASE Sara, > >>>> Explain what you were talking about in your post about giving > >>>> placebos > >>>> then walking out with clients cash. Who did this, or did > anyone? > >>>> Are you > >>>> posing a hypothetical? > >>>> What were you talking about? > >>>> Peace, > >>>> Preston > >>>> > >>>> > >> > >>>> ----- Original Message ---- > >>>> From: Sara > Glatt > >>>> To: The Ibogaine List > >> > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 12:43:50 PM > >>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I recall that Sara and Eric would bitch at each other in the > >>>> past. I > >>>>> haven't > >>>>> followed all these posts, but these are serious > allegations so I > >>>>> think > >>>>> it > >>>>> is > >>>>> not for innuendo, Sara. If you have something like this to > say you > >>>>> gotta > >>>>> be > >>>>> absolutely straight, elsewise for me it's more about > you than > >>>>> > anyone > >>>>> else. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Nick > >>>>> > >>>> Nick, > >>>> > >>>> I can't remember bitching about Eric Taub and never Eric > Taub was > >>>> bitching > >>>> about me.? Eric is sending people to me regularly. > >>>> > >>>> I don't know who Leo Finegold is, But I do feel for > someone who > >>>> gets > >>>> ripped off. > >>>> > >>>> where there is fire there is smoke. that's bizarre thing > to say, > >>>> hey! > >>>> > >>>> please Nick don't use the word IF as I'm not a child > anymore, to my > >>>> knowledge there is freedom of speech and freedom of opinion, > take > >>>> it or > >>>> leave > it. > >>>> > >>>> Sara > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ? _____ > >>>>> > >>>>> From: ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com > [mailto:ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com > >>>>> ] > >>>>> On > >>>>> Behalf Of Matt Shriver > >>>>> Sent: 24 June 2008 01:23 > >>>>> To: The Ibogaine List > >>>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold? > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Agreed.? the original message didn't make a lot of > sense to begin > >>>>> with > >>>>> and > >>>>> then Sara's remarks may or may not have had anything > to do with > >>>>> > the > >>>>> original > >>>>> message and since no-one who knows wtf any of this is > about feels > >>>>> like > >>>>> elaborating I think it would be completely irresponsible > to go off > >>>>> shit > >>>>> talking Eric or anyone else.? If someone has a real issue > with > >>>>> someone > >>>>> else > >>>>> then they should come right out and say it.? Sideways talk > and > >>>>> innuendo > >>>>> is > >>>>> not productive. > >>>>> > >>>>> Matt > >>>>> > >>>>> m.finman wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Maybe it has nothing to do with anyone who works with Eric > and the > >>>>> underground, who I have the highest regard and praise > for,? > maybe > >>>>> there > >>>>> could be some unscrupulous junkie type representing > themselves as > >>>>> such > >>>>> and > >>>>> scamming and ripping off but aside from all that I > don't believe > >>>>> the > >>>>> original message to leo finegold had anything to do with > ripping > >>>>> off > >>>>> necessarily....sounded like one really disgruntled unhappy > person > >>>>> trying > >>>>> to > >>>>> make contact.? ? So I am not going to try and fill in > 99.99% of > >>>>> the > >>>>> blanks > >>>>> that could complete this scenario.? This is how the > telephone game > >>>>> from > >>>>> kindergarten worked as well. > >>>>> Just my view on > things, > >>>>> Martee > >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>> From: "Krista Vaughan"? > >>>>> > >>>>> To: "The Ibogaine List"? > >>>>> > >>>>> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 6:19 PM > >>>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold? > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Before everyone starts a lynching party, Sara often writes > > >>>>> bizarre, > >>>>> cryptic messages lashing out at people. Maybe someone from > the > >>>>> underground who works with eric taub did rip someone off, > but > >>>>> isn't > >>>>> Eric Taub at least somewhat respected and regarded as > someone who > >>>>> has > >>>>> been working with ibogaine for a > long time? > >>>>> > >>>>> Who is it that Eric is supposed to have done that to? That > sounds > >>>>> really mean and harsh. > >>>>> > >>>>> Love to all > >>>>> > >>>>> KV > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 4:55 PM, Charles Rossouw > >>>>> > >>>>> > > wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Hey Dave > >>>>> > >>>>> I have never seen his name, but according to the original > post > >>>>> by Mr > >>>>> Goldstein, he may operate under a false name.? OOOHHH so > >>>>> dangerous.? And > >>>>> then Sara is not in any position to disclose his identity! > >>>>> > >>>>> Oh goodness.? I > had to give in to the acute, but short, > chuckle > >>>>> again. > >>>>> > >>>>> Mr Finegold - Do NOT ever carry an odour of marijuana! > >>>>> > >>>>> Regards > >>>>> > >>>>> Charles > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:26:03 -0400 > >> > >>>>> From: davebroc at gmail.com > >>>>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com > >> > >>>>> Subject: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold? > >>>>> > >>>>> a dumb question mebbe, but after seeing 50 msgs about Leo > Finegold > >>>>> and > >>>>> ripping off people who need treatment, i've got one > question- who > >>>>> the > >>>>> fuck is leo finegold? does he post > here??? > >>>>> > >>>>> -broc > >>>>> > >> > >>>>> -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: > (]=- > >>>>> (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: > [%][) > >>>>> -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: > (]=- > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >> > >>>>> ________________________________ > >>>>> It's time to join the family - Get the next generation > of Free > >>>>> Windows > >>>>> Live > >>>>> Services now! 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[%][) > >>> ? -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >>> ------------------------------ > >>> > >>> Message: 3 > >>> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:19:21 -0700 > >>> From: Warren Theriot > >>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Re: dogs > >> > >>> To: The > Ibogaine List > >> > >>> Message-ID: <8EE5067D-402F-45DE-ACB7-848DAC05267B at ca.rr.com> > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; > delsp=yes > >>> > >>> My problem with the dog barking was resolved this morning. At the > >>> animal services department, we both came to a mutual understanding > > >>> and > >>> I don't hold any bad feelings against the dog or the neighbor > now. > >>> The > >>> lady who ran the hearing was also very understanding of my point > of > >>> view unlike the person who arbitrated another meeting with another > >>> neighbor 4 years ago. But the increased efforts of the neighbor to > >>> keep his dog quiet after midnight the last 2 weeks has really > helped > >>> me to calm down so I didn't feel the need to keep pressing the > issue > >>> today after > we talked it out. I still think the Iboga spirits have > >>> helped the whole situation at least in my head. > >>> > >>> Peace, > >>> Warren > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------ > >>> > >>> Message: 4 > >>> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:52:23 -0600 > >>> From: Matt Shriver > >>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Re: dogs > >> > >>> To: The Ibogaine List > >> > >>> Message-ID: <4862DA37.2080500 at gmail.com> > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >>> > >>> Right on Warren. I'm glad to hear that. > >>> > >>> Matt > >>> > >>> Warren Theriot wrote: > >>>> My problem with the dog barking was resolved this morning. At > the > >>>> animal > services department, we both came to a mutual > understanding > >>>> and > >>>> I don't hold any bad feelings against the dog or the > neighbor now. > >>>> The > >>>> lady who ran the hearing was also very understanding of my > point of > >>>> view unlike the person who arbitrated another meeting with > another > >>>> neighbor 4 years ago. But the increased efforts of the > neighbor to > >>>> keep his dog quiet after midnight the last 2 weeks has really > > >>>> helped > >>>> me to calm down so I didn't feel the need to keep pressing > the > >>>> issue > >>>> today after we talked it out. I still think the Iboga spirits > have > >>>> helped the whole situation at least in my head. > >>>> > >>>> Peace, > >>>> > Warren > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >> > >>>> -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- > >>>> (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) > >>>> -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >>> ------------------------------ > >>> > >>> Message: 5 > >>> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:03:09 -0700 > >>> From: Warren Theriot > >>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Re: dogs > >> > >>> To: The Ibogaine List > >> > >>> Message-ID: > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > > URL: > http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080627/ce9cf6c0/attachment-0001.htm > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:37:01 +0200 (CEST) > > From: "Sara Glatt" > > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold?Dana get a life > > To: "The Ibogaine List" > > Message-ID: > <19664.80.127.42.14.1214573821.squirrel at webmail.xs4all.nl> > > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > > >> > > Dana, > > > > the amount of money is nothing to do with Preston and is not > > important, > > with any amount I will not feel ignored or lied to. > > > > it is your gesture to show some respect to yourself and me, that > > you can > > keep your words. > > > > it is strange that you write my name on your MMM list with amount of > > money > > > for a treatment with me, but then you don't know how much you should > > give > > back. > > if only you paid 1/4 of Denny lane treatment.(2003) you have forgotten > > that he broke a 300$ worth of coloured glass pipe , which I never > > asked > > one cent for. > > > > that's all now, until next year. > > > > Sara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NIck, > >> > >> Sara is being disingenuous. Why doesn't she give the list an > itemized > >> list of moneys that I'm supposed to owe her? > >> > >> Then I will check with the persons in question to find out if they > >> remember it being paid at the time. > >> > >> It's a long time ago, and I don't remember all the details. > >> > >> I think you will find that it's all about the theory that I owe > her > >> some > fantastic amount in punitive damages for the trouble Todd and > >> Dolly caused her. > >> > >> Dimitri tried working this out, and after I sought to pay her off and > >> she simply applied everything to Preston's treatment, he concluded > no > >> amount of money would satisfy her. > >> > >> (That was one expensive treatment.) > >> > >> BTW, it's interesting that she concurs with Alex Wodak and Stign > >> Gossens that scientific evidence of ibogaine efficacy should be > >> excluded from international conferences -- because I'm not > supposed > >> to go to any conferences present it as long as I haven't satisfied > >> her demands, remember? > >> > >> Dr. Ken doesn't want to go to the international meth conference in > >> Prague. > >> > >> Dana/cnw > >> > >> On Jun 27, 2008, at 7:37 AM, Nick Sandberg > wrote: > >> > >>> Hi Dana and Sara, > >>> > >>> How about you also write what you appreciate about each other as > >>> well as all > >>> the bitchy stuff? Just to bring in a bit of balance. > >>> > >>> Nick > >>> > >>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com [mailto:ibogaine- > >>>> bounces at mindvox.com] > >>>> On Behalf Of Sara Glatt > >>>> Sent: 26 June 2008 22:56 > >>>> To: The Ibogaine List > >>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold?Dana get a life > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> No Dana is not a bad boy but needs to be reminded of his > promises > >>>> that is > >>>> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Fri, > 27 Jun 2008 09:49:34 -0400 > > From: Dana Beal > > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold?Dana get a life > > To: The Ibogaine List > > Message-ID: <32CD3357-C0A9-4556-96C9-95717736802D at phantom.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > I want this all done publicly, so everything is absolutely clear, and > > I don't get double-billed or hit with additional charges when I begin > > to breath a sigh of relief because I think it's all cleared up. > > > > Tell them it's about Todd and Dolly, Sara. > > > > Dana/cnw > > > > On Jun 27, 2008, at 8:19 AM, Brad Hays wrote: > > > >> Dana and Sara I have a request of you guys too. I don't like this > >> adversarial stuff around the ibo list and I'd like to see some > >> unity, cause we all got too many adversaries to be fighting amongst > >> > ourselves. Would yall mind thinking about what you're thankful > >> for? and what you're thankful for about each other? There are > >> other ways of looking at this. This cause is bigger than any of us > >> and is too great to let ourselves get side tracked by stuff like > >> freakin money. If an ambiguous wrong was done years ago then I'm > >> truly sorry, I am, but it has only been based on what ibo teaches > >> us isn't to be worried about. Feel your hearts beating and think > >> about where you personally want to go. Please let this subside no > >> matter what the zeros. Thank you from everybody here. I've seen > >> your faces and they're not meant to be against each other. > >> > >> > >> > >> On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 7:37 AM, Nick Sandberg > >> wrote: > >> Hi Dana and Sara, > >> > >> How about > you also write what you appreciate about each other as > >> well as all > >> the bitchy stuff? Just to bring in a bit of balance. > >> > >> Nick > >> > >> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com [mailto:ibogaine- > >> bounces at mindvox.com] > >>> On Behalf Of Sara Glatt > >>> Sent: 26 June 2008 22:56 > >>> To: The Ibogaine List > >>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo Finegold?Dana get a life > >>> > >>> > >>> No Dana is not a bad boy but needs to be reminded of his promises > >> that is > >>> all. you can sweep the dirt under the carpet but it will not go > way. > >>> > >>> > >>>> Ooh Sarah > >>>> > >>>> You were one of the people who taught me when I started off > with > >>> Ibogaine. > >>>> > I still appreciate and remember your teachings. Also your > >> unequalled > >>>> hospitality when I visited you for a day 18 months or so ago. > >>>> > >>>> But - Dana being a bad boy? > >>>> > >>>> I also experienced his hospitality and his kindness. Albeit > in > >>> Washington > >>>> DC, with the mother of his son and their family. We all chose > >> to do > >>> this > >>>> thing. Lets just do it. Without the vibes that keep > >> interfering with > >>> our > >>>> lives. > >>>> > >>>> Love and respect > >>>> > >>>> Charles> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 23:22:52 +0200> From: > >> sara119 at xs4all.nl> > >>>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Leo > Finegold? > >> Dana get > >>> > a > >>>> life> > >> Dana,> > there is no excuse to > blow up and throw > >> shit at me> > >>>> you probably know that a small amount of extract+treatment > >> still cost > >>> me> > >>>> money, time, space, and energy which I can use for someone > >> else.> > > >>> please > >>>> don't turn things around I'm not a fool, crazy or a > lair.> > I > >> have > >>> talked > >>>> to Denny lane and I'm not the only one who has problems > with> your > >>>> aggressive reactions, if you have paid for his treatment then > >> he> would > >>>> have known, but he doesn't and he is no dummy.> > > Denny lane is > >> saving > >>>> money to come back here to do another iboga session> and > pay > >> for what > >>> > you > >>>> haven't, because he is honest+he cares about me and> my > family > >> as much > >>> as > >>>> I for him.> > > I admit that it was stupid of me to > trust you > >> with Dolly > >>>> and Todd, that> was my mistake, I never ever should have > open > >> my house > >>> for > >>>> those and other> demons, but then> 2012 is coming soon, > the > >> world as we > >>>> know it will end and money will be> worthless.> > > what > >> reputation you > >>>> have? I was told about your reputation by Jack Herer> who > >> stayed here > >>> for > >>>> a week and other people from NORML, if anyone is doing> you > >> wrong that > >>>> yourself, if you approach people with kindness you will > not> > >> need to> > >>> > blow > >>>> up like that assume things you have no prove of, get a > life.> > > >> Sara> > > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I paid in full for > >> every one of > >>>> those treatments except the 12> > steppers who turned > you into > >> the cops > >>>> for growing pot. Paid in full.> > Every time. (Though > how you > >> could > >>> charge > >>>> full price for Aivia or> > Tracy doing a small amount of > >> extract is > >>>> troubling, to say the least.)> >> > You just want > me to pay > >> tens of > >>>> thousands of dollars for Todd &> > Dolly, who you > should have > >> screened > >>> out > >>>> yourself. You should have> > sent them home the > second > it > >> became clear > >>>> that they wanted to move in> > on you and they had no > intention > >> of doing > >>>> the ibogaine.> >> > I don't refer people to > you any more > >> because I do > >>> only > >>>> the most> > cursory screening on the phone, and I cannot > be > >> responsible > >>>> for> > completely unforeseeable events.> >> > > I am not an > >> insurance > >>>> company.> >> > Except for Todd and Dolly, you > can't even > >> quantify how > >>> much > >>>> is owed.> > Because I sent the money, and then you > claimed it > >> didn't > >>>> count. That> > it was still owed.> >> > > Check with Preston, the > >> last > >>>> person to come from here. His was paid> > in > full, for > what > >> good it > >>> does.> > >>>>>>> Of course, he could have pocketed the money.> > >> > I'm > >> really in a > >>>> jam. I'm tired of being trashed by you. I will not> > > pay you a > >> cent > >>>> further because of the damage you continue to do to my> > > > >> reputation.> > >>>>> > >>>>> I try to settle all reasonable claims. But I do not > respond > >> well to> > > >>>> BLACKMAIL.> >> > I think you're making%2> > > > -=[) ::::::: > >> MindVox | > >>>> Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=-> (][%] :: > >>>> http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][)> -= > >> [) :::: Change > >>>> Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: > (]=- > >>>> > _________________________________________________________________ > >>>> Tired of having no room left in your inbox? Windows Live > >> Hotmail now > >>> gives > >>>> you 5GB of FREE storage! 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URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080708/7894ae12/attachment-0001.htm From simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk Tue Jul 8 06:44:31 2008 From: simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk (simon loxton) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 10:44:31 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Ibogaine] Hello all ...Question Please Message-ID: <385065.1714.qm@web28609.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Welcome to the world of the addict; thats how people treat you. Just because you are drug free does not make a difference; well not that much with regard to dose. A booster size dose will not be enough; you would need slightly less than some one on opiates though. Still you have the pain issue though and whats the point avoiding pain meds if you really need them? ----- Original Message ---- From: Albert T. Mason III To: The Ibogaine List Sent: Tuesday, 8 July, 2008 5:48:17 AM Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Hello all ...Question Please I had been researching Ibogaine for two years now. I was diagnosed with rheumatoid Arthritis 15 years ago and had lead a very propductive life up until about a year ago. I was on all the standard medicines for my disease and around 7 years ago was put on Oxycontin for the pain of some joint damage that was occurring that later required surgery. Woke up a year ago and noticed an increase need for more Oxy and went up to a level of 80 mg a day. Off course developed sleeping issues and followed the Oxy with temezepam 60 mg a night. Then one day a year ago I ran out of the Oxy one day prior to my script and had sever withdrawal symptoms. That day started a devastating chain of events. I went in and told my doctor who had been prescribing all my meds and immediately she wanted to pass me off to a pain management doc and treated me like a leper!!!! I was compliant and angry that what the doctors told me was a great drug and encouraged me to take 6 years earlier (and it helped greatly with the pain) now, it was taboo and I was some kind of bad person for taking it???? So, Let the pain doc talk me into Suboxone, and that shit made me crazy and I could not sleep for days and it did not help with pain. So, Went back to my rhematologist after 4 months and got back on all previous medication. All this time Ibogaine was in my mind but the hurdles to jump thru were expensive and time consuming. So, I thought, Hell, I am not on Heroin or really high dosages of Oxy, so I checked myself into a Detox unit. OMG what a freaking mistake that was. Yes, I am off of Benzo?s (Temezepam) and Oxy, but I still have Arthritis and pain. However, while in Detox? the first 5 days were the worse experience of my life. Treated like shit and my body and mind freaked me out for the first few days. This Detox unit was ?tough love? no sugar, no caiffend, no coffee, nothing. But I did have a clear insight while in the throws of the worse of it. I saw these glimpses of myself, feelings of guilt, shame, unworthiness and anger at the drug companies and doctors that I was in this state. So, something inside of me said, IBOGAINE is said to help one address those psycho elements buried inside that Detox just reveals to yourself. So, my question is this, since I am detoxed off the meds, do you guys and gals think that a Ibo session would benefit and since there is now no DETOX ELEMENT to my situation, what dosage would be needed to achieve a therapeutic cleansing and resetting of chemicals in my brain that Oxy and Benzo?s have effected after my years of use. I just have a sense that the real biological damage of opiates and benzo?s will not correct for a long time and that Ibogaine could correct it fast and help alleviate my suffering ? because I am still very depressed and I remember the old me ? a fantastic, strong mind, never depressed and now I have a lack of will to live. Any advice? Would just a booster dose help me to reset body chemistry to pre-addictive state? Thanks, Ted From:ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com [mailto:ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com] On Behalf Of Capt Kirk Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 3:34 AM To: The Ibogaine List Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OI! Hey thar Simon! How do you deal with the amount needed to take? That was the biggie for me....and I'm sure others....which makes Ibogaine alot more attractive to take, in strength and amount........I think I od'd on capsules lol ----- Original Message ---- From: simon loxton To: The Ibogaine List Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 7:29:37 PM Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OI! I beg to differ, the root bark is more than sufficient it just depends on the quality. Most commercial root bark is rubbish but with the iboga that is used as sacrament which i have tested; 30g is enough for a full reset 15g then 15g the next day if you cant manage all in 6 hrs. There is more of an art to it than ibogaine though. ----- Original Message ---- From: Capt Kirk To: The Ibogaine List Sent: Wednesday, 18 June, 2008 9:11:44 AM Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OI! Hi Patrick, I tried the rootbark for coming off poppy seed tea, and I would strongly recommend you save up and go for the ibogaine option, the rootbark just isn't strong enough to deal out the opiate addiction, although in hindsight, it did reduce withdrawals,you wont get the full noise as with a decent dose of ibogaine, I would also strongly recommend you hang around here and get to know everyone... as you said Ibogaine is illegal in the USA...... so you'll get more help here if you hang around and participate ;o) 4 grams of rootbark would be a lot of material to try and ingest! I had about 130 odd capsules that I tried to get down me throat..... I had vomiting and diarreoha (I HATE spelling that word LOL) diereehahahahhahahaha no not funny at the time....lol anyway, I do wish you all the best and hope you get to ibo it at some stage..... Cheers Kirk ----- Original Message ---- From: Patrick Corbin To: ibogaine at mindvox.com Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 5:14:48 PM Subject: [Ibogaine] OI! Pardon me folks, I just got a quickie, I am new to this iboga thing but i've been struggling with a nasty Heroin habit off and on for the last ten years...I recently had 3 years of clean time....but i ran into some old friends and it was off to the races with xanax and heroin again for the last 3 months...well i recently learned of iboga and contacted dr. mash and talked to her....well I can't leave the U.S. for legal reasons so if I purchased some "grade A iboga rootbark" online.... Ok..now how many grams would one consume if one were to actually try to experience the legendary effects of this miracle plant? if I bought 4 grams for $50. Would that be enough or is that to much? ________________________________ Sent from Yahoo! Mail. 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URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080708/a27ca635/attachment.htm From hslotsof at phantom.com Tue Jul 8 07:29:37 2008 From: hslotsof at phantom.com (Howard Lotsof) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 07:29:37 -0400 Subject: [Ibogaine] root bark In-Reply-To: <2295c4ad0807071441w53cd0e0bpe1f4ea2ab69ef252@mail.gmail.com> References: <4867CF6A.3080803@gmail.com> <629028.28290.qm@web54304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <2295c4ad0807022312i3bd7ac3cxe8a78fd15079c7c5@mail.gmail.com> <4348985C-D99D-4925-B9DD-ED9E1ACBA8C5@phantom.com> <000601c8df09$3469fc80$9d3df580$@com> <2295c4ad0807071441w53cd0e0bpe1f4ea2ab69ef252@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: So getting back to my question, how many grams of root bark to you have? Sometimes doses that are of no use in treating heroin dependence may be useful in breaking circular thinking paterns. Howard On Jul 7, 2008, at 5:41 PM, Patrick Corbin wrote: > Dude that is fucked up ...I am not a narc...Money is not a problem > for me because I own 3 landscaping businesses and I have plenty of > family money...but what I am saying is that I am willing to spend > any amount of money to kick this habit!!! I;ve spent Thousands of > dollars already on various treatments and if ibo is the cure than > no amount is to much...that is what i am saying...That is messed up > how every one is so egotistical here that when I come sincerely > asking for help putting my future in the hands of strangers who are > supposedly here to help people..you call me names and make fun of > me...Thank You I really do need help though so if anyone can please > help me I will be forever greatful > > On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 8:39 PM, Albert T. Mason III > wrote: > Hey Howard, > > I emailed that guy and told him I don't think anyone on the list > wants to > implicate themselves > in facilitating an Illegal meeting with a person in the U.S. for > Ibo ...LOL > > It is as if the guy is trying to bait some fool in by saying "money > is no > object", "I have more than I can spend" > ... Just tell me where to go to get that illegal treatment.... > > What are we missing????? ... pretty obvious to me .... sounds like > a Narc > ...LOL > > Ted > > -----Original Message----- > From: ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com [mailto:ibogaine- > bounces at mindvox.com] On > Behalf Of Howard Lotsof > Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 9:11 PM > To: The Ibogaine List > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] stop the fightinf and do somethin productive > > If it is a question of getting busted by your parole officer for > using heroin or getting treated with ibogaine in Mexico, I would opt > for Mexico. Enough money to fund an ibogaine lab in Africa but, not > enough to figure out how to get to an ibogaine clinic in Mexico. > What am I missing? > > Exactly how many grams is "several" of root bark? Most likely it is > too little to do anything significant for you. > > Howard > > > On Jul 3, 2008, at 2:12 AM, Patrick Corbin wrote: > > > Ryan...I will send you as much money as you need to get started... > > But i need a provider in the U.S! Heroin is destroying my life!!! I > > know ibo will work for me...But no body on this list will tell me > > anything about it!! I am on parole so i can't leave the > > country...but money is not an issue for me.. I have more money than > > I can spend and I am extreamly interested in n ibo...I know it can > > save my life...I have had dreams about the bwiti telling me so and > > giving me the plant......before i even knew what it was!!! I > > researched it and found out about ibo...I know these dreams are a > > sign from some higher power....I know heroin is going to kill me or > > send me to prison for the rest of my life... And i have tried > > everything! Suboxone, methadone, rapid detox w/ naltroxone!! I know > > ibo is the answer but i dont have the means!! I have aquired > > several grams of root bark...but know body on here will tell me > > what to do with it! is there anyone in the U.S. that can help me??? > > Like i said...Money is not an issue! I need help! > > Thanks > > Patrick > > > > 2008/6/30 ryan beck : > > > > I thought this list was abut the dissemination of ibo and it's > > value as tool to help people addicted to drugs , but it has turned > > into a piss fest of egos there are a few that have valuable > > information regarding ibo. Namely Simon(who have the utmost respect > > for his knowledge and compassion). If all providers were as > > compassionate as Simon and Sara. Ibo would become more mainstream, > > Howard and Sara and a handful of others. This s not about us it is > > abut something bigger. Ibo has the potential to save 100,000 of > > thousands lives; and all I see is infighting This is bigger than > > all of our petty egos, Why can't we manufacture it n lab in (?) > > Gabon, I have a M.S in chemistry (and several. PhD in organic > > chemistry who would be more that happy to join said project), all > > we need would be to start a lab with the appropriate funds( the > > formula is very straight forward and it is rather simple) One could > > produce 100,000s doses a year. It should not cost more than $20 a > > dose. What is holding the movement back? Infighting! Personal > > vested interest? > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 6/29/08, Matt Shriver wrote: > > From: Matt Shriver > > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Simon Get a life!! > > To: "The Ibogaine List" > > Date: Sunday, June 29, 2008, 12:07 PM > > > > So what's all this about then and who are you again Paul? My only > > knowledge of you is through some rather hard to decipher posts, > > most recently advocating a rather dubious low dose, long term, > > ibogaine treatment for opiate addiction. Simon on the other hand > > has been around for a while and while he is certainly no more the > > authority on all things ibogaine than anyone else here, he speaks > > from experience and geniuine concern for addicts. Where exactly > > are you coming from? "We are laughing' seriously laughing" and > > "Silly little child that you are'" is contributing how exactly? > > And since I am asking you all these questions, who is "we"? Your > > posts are full of "we this" and "we that" and I can't tell if you > > legitimately are representing the views of additional people or > > just don't grasp what the word "we" means. I don't say this to be > > so much confrontational as your post seems clearly intent on being, > > but to support Simon who I respect. > > > > Matt > > > > Paul Brookshaw wrote: > >> > >> Simon' > >> > >> Is a very manipulative so called spirtual healer' with no psychic > >> tools to fight with' > >> Because he has no psychic tools to fight with' his jeliously and > >> twistedness of other folks has reduced him to writting poison pen > >> letters' > >> Is this is a mark of a seriously good healer' one that knows > >> himself intimately' > >> > >> Obviously doubtful' > >> > >> Seriously low, Si! like a little child that has never got their > >> own way' > >> > >> Oh my is that the best you can do bro! > >> > >> Ha ha ha > >> > >> We are untouchable by you ' becaue you have no tools' > >> > >> If you wish warefare' Tata says bring it on' > >> It shall never be pretty' War never is!! > >> > >> Be warned as you so warned us on tribes' that we would be sorry' > >> is this your answer Si! > >> > >> > >> > >> Grow up little Nzegho' > >> > >> Learn of who you are an stop bitching at other folks so as to feel > >> good in yourself' that you can never know of what we know' > >> > >> Cry baby Simon!! > >> > >> > >> To note folks' we shall always send you clients and share openly > >> of our findings' so as to futher the road of Iboga' > >> > >> We shall never have to stoop like Simon has' because we know of > >> who we are' > >> > >> Know thyself Simon' > >> > >> GET A LIFE > >> > >> To the list' be very careful of this little man' he lives in a > >> veil of jeliousies' of which twist him up' and he knows no way of > >> releasing the said energies' > >> > >> Sad really' > >> > >> > >> And now' > >> > >> Big grins behind dark sunglasses' > >> > >> We are laughing' seriously laughing Ha ha ha > >> hahahahahahaahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahaha > >> > >> Learn some stuff about who you are Si! > >> > >> Leave folks alone to their own devises' > >> > >> Silly little child that you are' > >> > >> Oh my > >> > >> The stupidity of jeliously' > >> > >> you must be really hurting Simon' > >> > >> Oh my' > >> > >> he he he > >> > >> > >> Pa' Omoju Gede Nganga > >> > >> Pa' Motumba' > >> > >> Bliss and blessings to the list this fine day :) > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Campeche Simon' > >> Santo Simon' > >> > >> Get 5GB of online storage for free! Get it Now! -=[) ::::::: > >> MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- (][%] :: http:// > >> mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) -=[) :::: Change > >> Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- > > > > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- (] > > [%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) -= > > [) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- > > > > > > > > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- > > (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) > > -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- > > > > > > > > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- > > (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) > > -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- > > > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- > (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) > -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- > > > > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- > (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) > -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- > > > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- > (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) > -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- From dcollier9 at cox.net Tue Jul 8 09:30:57 2008 From: dcollier9 at cox.net (DC in AZ) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 06:30:57 -0700 Subject: [Ibogaine] Hello all ...Question Please References: <544226.64181.qm@web35502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <035c01c8e0ad$75a1c840$60e558c0$@com> Message-ID: <464994BC79EF426A96394F6F6DE6ED73@agi.alexandergroupinc.com> try mj ? it does wonders to pick up your mood. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Donzo "Love converts hearts, and gives peace." __________________________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: Albert T. Mason III To: 'The Ibogaine List' Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 8:48 PM Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Hello all ...Question Please I had been researching Ibogaine for two years now. I was diagnosed with rheumatoid Arthritis 15 years ago and had lead a very propductive life up until about a year ago. I was on all the standard medicines for my disease and around 7 years ago was put on Oxycontin for the pain of some joint damage that was occurring that later required surgery. Woke up a year ago and noticed an increase need for more Oxy and went up to a level of 80 mg a day. Off course developed sleeping issues and followed the Oxy with temezepam 60 mg a night. Then one day a year ago I ran out of the Oxy one day prior to my script and had sever withdrawal symptoms. That day started a devastating chain of events. I went in and told my doctor who had been prescribing all my meds and immediately she wanted to pass me off to a pain management doc and treated me like a leper!!!! I was compliant and angry that what the doctors told me was a great drug and encouraged me to take 6 years earlier (and it helped greatly with the pain) now, it was taboo and I was some kind of bad person for taking it???? So, Let the pain doc talk me into Suboxone, and that shit made me crazy and I could not sleep for days and it did not help with pain. So, Went back to my rhematologist after 4 months and got back on all previous medication. All this time Ibogaine was in my mind but the hurdles to jump thru were expensive and time consuming. So, I thought, Hell, I am not on Heroin or really high dosages of Oxy, so I checked myself into a Detox unit. OMG what a freaking mistake that was. Yes, I am off of Benzo's (Temezepam) and Oxy, but I still have Arthritis and pain. However, while in Detox. the first 5 days were the worse experience of my life. Treated like shit and my body and mind freaked me out for the first few days. This Detox unit was "tough love" no sugar, no caiffend, no coffee, nothing. But I did have a clear insight while in the throws of the worse of it. I saw these glimpses of myself, feelings of guilt, shame, unworthiness and anger at the drug companies and doctors that I was in this state. So, something inside of me said, IBOGAINE is said to help one address those psycho elements buried inside that Detox just reveals to yourself. So, my question is this, since I am detoxed off the meds, do you guys and gals think that a Ibo session would benefit and since there is now no DETOX ELEMENT to my situation, what dosage would be needed to achieve a therapeutic cleansing and resetting of chemicals in my brain that Oxy and Benzo's have effected after my years of use. I just have a sense that the real biological damage of opiates and benzo's will not correct for a long time and that Ibogaine could correct it fast and help alleviate my suffering . because I am still very depressed and I remember the old me . a fantastic, strong mind, never depressed and now I have a lack of will to live. Any advice? Would just a booster dose help me to reset body chemistry to pre-addictive state? Thanks, Ted From: ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com [mailto:ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com] On Behalf Of Capt Kirk Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 3:34 AM To: The Ibogaine List Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OI! Hey thar Simon! How do you deal with the amount needed to take? That was the biggie for me....and I'm sure others....which makes Ibogaine alot more attractive to take, in strength and amount........I think I od'd on capsules lol ----- Original Message ---- From: simon loxton To: The Ibogaine List Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 7:29:37 PM Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OI! I beg to differ, the root bark is more than sufficient it just depends on the quality. Most commercial root bark is rubbish but with the iboga that is used as sacrament which i have tested; 30g is enough for a full reset 15g then 15g the next day if you cant manage all in 6 hrs. There is more of an art to it than ibogaine though. ----- Original Message ---- From: Capt Kirk To: The Ibogaine List Sent: Wednesday, 18 June, 2008 9:11:44 AM Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OI! Hi Patrick, I tried the rootbark for coming off poppy seed tea, and I would strongly recommend you save up and go for the ibogaine option, the rootbark just isn't strong enough to deal out the opiate addiction, although in hindsight, it did reduce withdrawals,you wont get the full noise as with a decent dose of ibogaine, I would also strongly recommend you hang around here and get to know everyone... as you said Ibogaine is illegal in the USA...... so you'll get more help here if you hang around and participate ;o) 4 grams of rootbark would be a lot of material to try and ingest! I had about 130 odd capsules