From jenny at facingthehabit.com  Wed Jan  2 08:02:44 2008
From: jenny at facingthehabit.com (Jennifer Piston)
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 08:02:44 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Ibogaine] Facing the Habit (IBOGAINE documentary) NYC
 Screening!
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Hi there!
Thanks for your interest in the documentary! December 16th was our only
screening for a while, but the film is available for download/purchase on
the Indiepix site (http://www2.indiepix.net/film/3323).

Please let me know if you have any questions. Thanks so much, and have a
wonderful new year! :-)
Jenny

-- 
Jennifer Piston
Associate Producer
jenny at facingthehabit.com
http://facingthehabit.com

> How did the screening go?  Any news on future opportunities to screen?
>  Just back to the east coast, wishing for a Philadelphia print to
> view!  Thanks... rac-h-el
>
> On Dec 10, 2007 7:42 PM, Jennifer Piston <jenny at facingthehabit.com> wrote:
>> The award-winning 2007 documentary FACING THE HABIT (Director, Magnolia
>> Martin) (http://facingthehabit.com/) will be premiering in NYC on
>> Sunday,
>> December 16, 7pm, at the Two Boots Pioneer Theater. The screening is
>> FREE
>> and open to the public. We hope to see you there!
>>
>> Indiepix presents FACING THE HABIT
>> Sunday, December 16, 2007, 7pm
>> FREE and open to the public
>> Doors: 6:30pm
>>
>> RSVP to info at facingthehabit.com
>>
>
>>
>
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From digitalcomponents at gmail.com  Wed Jan  2 23:32:19 2008
From: digitalcomponents at gmail.com (Nyc W. Alberts)
Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 23:32:19 -0500
Subject: [Ibogaine] Finally A Break With Some Positive News For A Change...
Message-ID: <477C6553.4090508@gmail.com>

Kinda speaks for itself, doesn't it, and yes, it's *totally* Ibo 
related.  :-D

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117978253.html?categoryid=13&cs=1

'bout time this story got the big budget Steven Spielberg treatment, 
maybe it'll help wake some the yunguns out there up.

Baron Cohen up for 'Seven'
British actor would play Abbie Hoffman in film
By LEO BARRACLOUGH, MICHAEL FLEMING
Could "The Trial of the Chicago Seven" be Steven Spielberg's next picture?

Spielberg has been developing the DreamWorks project, about anti-Vietnam 
War activists arrested at the 1968 Democratic Convention, for some time. 
Now it looks as if he has found his hippie ringleader.

British thesp Sacha Baron Cohen, who just came off a role in DreamWorks' 
"Sweeney Todd," has been attached to play Abbie Hoffman in the pic, 
according to a report in London's Sunday Times.

A rep for Spielberg would neither confirm nor deny the report.

DreamWorks inked a deal with Aaron Sorkin to write the script for the 
project in July. Spielberg is producing alongside Walter Parkes and 
Laurie MacDonald.

From vector620022002 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  3 04:44:06 2008
From: vector620022002 at yahoo.com (Vector Vector)
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 01:44:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Ibogaine] Marc Emery in the National Post
Message-ID: <609390.6222.qm@web31613.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

http://nationalpost.com/opinion/story.html?id=209517

An open letter to justice minister Rob Nicholson
National Post 
Published: Wednesday, January 02, 2008

Nick Procaylo, CanWest News Service

Dear Mr. Nicholson: On Jan. 21, 2008 an extradition hearing will begin
in Vancouver for Marc Emery, Canada's pre-eminent activist for the
legalization of marijuana. Marc has been charged in the U.S. with
conspiring to manufacture and distribute marijuana, and conspiring to
launder money. If convicted under U.S. law, he faces possible life
imprisonment without parole.

Should Marc be extradited to the U.S.? The Canadian court will almost
certainly say yes. It has little choice under the Extradition Act. Marc
openly admits selling marijuana seeds over the internet to customers
around the world, including the United States, for years. His conduct
would have been grounds for criminal charges here, although Canadian
authorities never chose to charge him. But that's enough under the Act
to make it mandatory for the judge to commit him for surrender to U.S.
authorities.

That's where you come in, Mr. Justice Minister. Once the court has
ruled, the Extradition Act gives you discretion to refuse to surrender
Marc if it "would be unjust or oppressive having regard to all the
relevant circumstances."

Here are some of the circumstances you might consider relevant.

>From 1999 until he was arrested in 2005, Marc declared on his income
tax return that his occupation was "marijuana seed vendor." He paid
$578,000 in income taxes into federal and B.C. government coffers. He
gave Canada Revenue Agency access to his bank statements and explained
all his cash flows to them. The CRA graciously accepted his money
without ever taking any action to put a stop to all this criminal
activity.

If you believe that all Canadians benefit from taxes being collected
and governments spending that tax money (I don't, but most Canadians
do), then logically you will have to concede that Marc has been a huge
benefactor to the Canadian people.

As for the money laundering charge, maybe all Canadians should face
U.S. indictments for having conspired with Marc to transform Americans'
outlays on recreational drugs into Canadian outlays on health care,
roads, schools, etc.

Marc has helped Canadians in other ways, too. When Canada was compelled
in 2000 to legalize medical marijuana by the R. vs. Parker decision of
the Ontario Court of Appeal, confusion reigned. Although the court had
said that individuals suffering the daily pain of illnesses such as
epilepsy, glaucoma, multiple sclerosis, cancer and AIDS could use
marijuana with their doctor's approval, there was nowhere they could
legally acquire it. Authorized users who asked Health Canada how to get
their marijuana were given the suggestion that they purchase it online
from Marc Emery.

For eight years, Marc sent every federal Member of Parliament a free
subscription to his magazine, Cannabis Culture. Every issue included a
copy of his seed catalogue. Every single MP and all of their office
staff turned a blind eye to his activities, just as Canada Revenue
Agency and Health Canada had done.

The prohibition against selling marijuana seeds in Canada went
unenforced for years, but the benefits of those seed sales were
accepted unhesitatingly by Canadian authorities. It would be the height
of hypocrisy and injustice for this country to now hand over its
benefactor to a foreign government for a prosecution it declined to
pursue itself.

But there's more. Go to any internet search engine and enter "marijuana
seeds." You'll find many seed vendors still operating without
prosecution in British Columbia and other Canadian provinces. Why is
the U.S. government not seeking the extradition of these vendors? Why
just Marc and his two employees Michelle Rainey and Greg Williams?

I think the answer is obvious. The so-called "BC3" have taken a
principled, public stand against the U.S. government's war on drugs.
Marc in particular is a highly effective spokesman for his cause. He
was never in this business primarily for financial gain, and generally
kept only enough of his marijuana seed profits to live on. Instead, he
has donated over $4-million and countless hours to fund court
challenges, establish compassion clubs for medical marijuana users, pay
medical bills for activists, sponsor conferences and protests, fund
ballot initiatives, fund political campaigns and so on. For over a
decade, he has been a huge thorn in the side of politicians and
bureaucrats who disagree with him on the political issue of legalizing
marijuana.

The Extradition Act requires you, Mr. Justice Minister, to refuse to
surrender a person if the request for extradition is "made for the
purpose of prosecuting or punishing the person by reason of
their&#133;political opinion&#133;." Please consider Marc's long
history of idealistic activism and tell the U.S. government that you
won't let them haul this politically motivated Canadian hero off to one
of their jails.

kas at karenselick.com - Karen Selick is a lawyer in Belleville, Ont. -
Readers can sign an online petition against Marc Emery's extradition at
http://www.petitiononline.com/Emery/petition.html or they can download
a paper copy by Googling "petition opposition extradition marc emery"
and selecting the link.


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From doranman2 at gmail.com  Thu Jan  3 08:30:00 2008
From: doranman2 at gmail.com (Scott Doran)
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 08:30:00 -0500
Subject: [Ibogaine] Marc Emery in the National Post
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References: <609390.6222.qm@web31613.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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A case well made. I only wish I was a Canadian resident so I could sign the
petition. Just became a pen pal for a poor soul given 30yrs for conspiring
to make LSD. Was rolled over on by a Dr. Halprin associated with MAPS. Deja
vu all over again (read Inquisition).
We haven't been very successful trying to change things here. Even State's
right have been trampled ignoring the will of the people. I hope the justice
minister lives up to his name. I am very hopeful for the good of Marc Emery.


On Jan 3, 2008 4:44 AM, Vector Vector <vector620022002 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> http://nationalpost.com/opinion/story.html?id=209517
>
> An open letter to justice minister Rob Nicholson
> National Post
> Published: Wednesday, January 02, 2008
>
> Nick Procaylo, CanWest News Service
>
> Dear Mr. Nicholson: On Jan. 21, 2008 an extradition hearing will begin
> in Vancouver for Marc Emery, Canada's pre-eminent activist for the
> legalization of marijuana. Marc has been charged in the U.S. with
> conspiring to manufacture and distribute marijuana, and conspiring to
> launder money. If convicted under U.S. law, he faces possible life
> imprisonment without parole.
>
> Should Marc be extradited to the U.S.? The Canadian court will almost
> certainly say yes. It has little choice under the Extradition Act. Marc
> openly admits selling marijuana seeds over the internet to customers
> around the world, including the United States, for years. His conduct
> would have been grounds for criminal charges here, although Canadian
> authorities never chose to charge him. But that's enough under the Act
> to make it mandatory for the judge to commit him for surrender to U.S.
> authorities.
>
> That's where you come in, Mr. Justice Minister. Once the court has
> ruled, the Extradition Act gives you discretion to refuse to surrender
> Marc if it "would be unjust or oppressive having regard to all the
> relevant circumstances."
>
> Here are some of the circumstances you might consider relevant.
>
> >From 1999 until he was arrested in 2005, Marc declared on his income
> tax return that his occupation was "marijuana seed vendor." He paid
> $578,000 in income taxes into federal and B.C. government coffers. He
> gave Canada Revenue Agency access to his bank statements and explained
> all his cash flows to them. The CRA graciously accepted his money
> without ever taking any action to put a stop to all this criminal
> activity.
>
> If you believe that all Canadians benefit from taxes being collected
> and governments spending that tax money (I don't, but most Canadians
> do), then logically you will have to concede that Marc has been a huge
> benefactor to the Canadian people.
>
> As for the money laundering charge, maybe all Canadians should face
> U.S. indictments for having conspired with Marc to transform Americans'
> outlays on recreational drugs into Canadian outlays on health care,
> roads, schools, etc.
>
> Marc has helped Canadians in other ways, too. When Canada was compelled
> in 2000 to legalize medical marijuana by the R. vs. Parker decision of
> the Ontario Court of Appeal, confusion reigned. Although the court had
> said that individuals suffering the daily pain of illnesses such as
> epilepsy, glaucoma, multiple sclerosis, cancer and AIDS could use
> marijuana with their doctor's approval, there was nowhere they could
> legally acquire it. Authorized users who asked Health Canada how to get
> their marijuana were given the suggestion that they purchase it online
> from Marc Emery.
>
> For eight years, Marc sent every federal Member of Parliament a free
> subscription to his magazine, Cannabis Culture. Every issue included a
> copy of his seed catalogue. Every single MP and all of their office
> staff turned a blind eye to his activities, just as Canada Revenue
> Agency and Health Canada had done.
>
> The prohibition against selling marijuana seeds in Canada went
> unenforced for years, but the benefits of those seed sales were
> accepted unhesitatingly by Canadian authorities. It would be the height
> of hypocrisy and injustice for this country to now hand over its
> benefactor to a foreign government for a prosecution it declined to
> pursue itself.
>
> But there's more. Go to any internet search engine and enter "marijuana
> seeds." You'll find many seed vendors still operating without
> prosecution in British Columbia and other Canadian provinces. Why is
> the U.S. government not seeking the extradition of these vendors? Why
> just Marc and his two employees Michelle Rainey and Greg Williams?
>
> I think the answer is obvious. The so-called "BC3" have taken a
> principled, public stand against the U.S. government's war on drugs.
> Marc in particular is a highly effective spokesman for his cause. He
> was never in this business primarily for financial gain, and generally
> kept only enough of his marijuana seed profits to live on. Instead, he
> has donated over $4-million and countless hours to fund court
> challenges, establish compassion clubs for medical marijuana users, pay
> medical bills for activists, sponsor conferences and protests, fund
> ballot initiatives, fund political campaigns and so on. For over a
> decade, he has been a huge thorn in the side of politicians and
> bureaucrats who disagree with him on the political issue of legalizing
> marijuana.
>
> The Extradition Act requires you, Mr. Justice Minister, to refuse to
> surrender a person if the request for extradition is "made for the
> purpose of prosecuting or punishing the person by reason of
> their
political opinion
." Please consider Marc's long
> history of idealistic activism and tell the U.S. government that you
> won't let them haul this politically motivated Canadian hero off to one
> of their jails.
>
> kas at karenselick.com - Karen Selick is a lawyer in Belleville, Ont. -
> Readers can sign an online petition against Marc Emery's extradition at
> http://www.petitiononline.com/Emery/petition.html or they can download
> a paper copy by Googling "petition opposition extradition marc emery"
> and selecting the link.
>
>
>
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From dana at phantom.com  Thu Jan  3 08:51:04 2008
From: dana at phantom.com (Dana Beal)
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 08:51:04 -0500
Subject: [Ibogaine] Facing the Habit (IBOGAINE documentary) NYC
	Screening!
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Perhaps you can do a followup event at the Yippie! Museum. I thought  
I got Magnolia's number at the screening, but apparently not.

Dana/cnw

On Jan 2, 2008, at 8:02 AM, Jennifer Piston wrote:

> Hi there!
> Thanks for your interest in the documentary! December 16th was our  
> only
> screening for a while, but the film is available for download/ 
> purchase on
> the Indiepix site (http://www2.indiepix.net/film/3323).
>
> Please let me know if you have any questions. Thanks so much, and  
> have a
> wonderful new year! :-)
> Jenny
>
> -- 
> Jennifer Piston
> Associate Producer
> jenny at facingthehabit.com
> http://facingthehabit.com
>
>> How did the screening go?  Any news on future opportunities to  
>> screen?
>>  Just back to the east coast, wishing for a Philadelphia print to
>> view!  Thanks... rac-h-el
>>
>> On Dec 10, 2007 7:42 PM, Jennifer Piston  
>> <jenny at facingthehabit.com> wrote:
>>> The award-winning 2007 documentary FACING THE HABIT (Director,  
>>> Magnolia
>>> Martin) (http://facingthehabit.com/) will be premiering in NYC on
>>> Sunday,
>>> December 16, 7pm, at the Two Boots Pioneer Theater. The screening is
>>> FREE
>>> and open to the public. We hope to see you there!
>>>
>>> Indiepix presents FACING THE HABIT
>>> Sunday, December 16, 2007, 7pm
>>> FREE and open to the public
>>> Doors: 6:30pm
>>>
>>> RSVP to info at facingthehabit.com
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
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From doranman2 at gmail.com  Thu Jan  3 10:02:30 2008
From: doranman2 at gmail.com (Scott Doran)
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 10:02:30 -0500
Subject: [Ibogaine] Marc Emery in the National Post
In-Reply-To: <609390.6222.qm@web31613.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <609390.6222.qm@web31613.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Here is a copy of a letter to the National Post. I hope that in some way it
can help.

Dear National Post and all Canadians,

As a citizen of the United States I would like to participate in the debate
over the fate of Canadian citizen, Marc Emery. The drug war has mutated into
an out of control, self serving institution. Hemp was outlawed many years
ago in New York, despite the fact that a city commission declared hemp use
not to be a problem. Many lies were spread, without scientific backing to
create a sense of fear in the public perception. States in the Southwest
criminalized hemp, mainly to target Mexicans. Companies using petroleum to
produce products, heavily lobbied politicians to to prevent hemp products
from competing with oil based products. State laws, passed by the will of
the people, to allow medical marijuana, have been ignored by the Federal
Government. Some states were literally invaded by the DEA who perpetrated a
siege on the citizens of those states. Many people in violation of hemp
regulation have been given staggering sentences, by far surpassing the time
given to criminals who have raped and  injured others with extreme violence.

The US drug war is comparable to the war against the people of Vietnam many
years ago. A self serving institution was hell bent on destroying lives in
the name of a complex web of lies. During that time your good country
provided safe haven to US citizens, who out of conscience refused to
participate in that war. I understand some US citizens opposed to the war in
Irag have found safety in your country at this time. How could you now turn
over one of your own to a system which will ruin this gentleman's life? Is
Canada now just a subsidiary of the US? I always considered Canada an
independent nation subservient to no one except the will of her own people.
If not, you will slowly lose you independence and become a part of a new
order composed of the US, Canada, and Mexico. This will just be a precursor
to the merging of American, European, and Indo-Chinese unions in which all
nations will lose their independence to a New World Order. This process is
starting with small things, like the life of a single person in the name of
Marc Emery. It will snowball into the unraveling  of communities and the
independence of Canada itself. It is already happening here as witnessed by
the perspective of this Registered Nurse opposed to the robbery of taxes
intended to nurture community, diverted to an endless war on drugs, terror,
and ultimately anyone who treasures the United States Constitution and the
Bill of Rights.

I appeal to your common sense, not the letter of the law. Even in the US, a
jury can release a defendant if they agree that a law is unjust. Our cause
is just, and there will never be enough prisons to contain us all. We simply
want to live independently in peace.

Thank you for your time,

Scott Doran, Citizen of the United States of America

On Jan 3, 2008 4:44 AM, Vector Vector <vector620022002 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> http://nationalpost.com/opinion/story.html?id=209517
>
> An open letter to justice minister Rob Nicholson
> National Post
> Published: Wednesday, January 02, 2008
>
> Nick Procaylo, CanWest News Service
>
> Dear Mr. Nicholson: On Jan. 21, 2008 an extradition hearing will begin
> in Vancouver for Marc Emery, Canada's pre-eminent activist for the
> legalization of marijuana. Marc has been charged in the U.S. with
> conspiring to manufacture and distribute marijuana, and conspiring to
> launder money. If convicted under U.S. law, he faces possible life
> imprisonment without parole.
>
> Should Marc be extradited to the U.S.? The Canadian court will almost
> certainly say yes. It has little choice under the Extradition Act. Marc
> openly admits selling marijuana seeds over the internet to customers
> around the world, including the United States, for years. His conduct
> would have been grounds for criminal charges here, although Canadian
> authorities never chose to charge him. But that's enough under the Act
> to make it mandatory for the judge to commit him for surrender to U.S.
> authorities.
>
> That's where you come in, Mr. Justice Minister. Once the court has
> ruled, the Extradition Act gives you discretion to refuse to surrender
> Marc if it "would be unjust or oppressive having regard to all the
> relevant circumstances."
>
> Here are some of the circumstances you might consider relevant.
>
> >From 1999 until he was arrested in 2005, Marc declared on his income
> tax return that his occupation was "marijuana seed vendor." He paid
> $578,000 in income taxes into federal and B.C. government coffers. He
> gave Canada Revenue Agency access to his bank statements and explained
> all his cash flows to them. The CRA graciously accepted his money
> without ever taking any action to put a stop to all this criminal
> activity.
>
> If you believe that all Canadians benefit from taxes being collected
> and governments spending that tax money (I don't, but most Canadians
> do), then logically you will have to concede that Marc has been a huge
> benefactor to the Canadian people.
>
> As for the money laundering charge, maybe all Canadians should face
> U.S. indictments for having conspired with Marc to transform Americans'
> outlays on recreational drugs into Canadian outlays on health care,
> roads, schools, etc.
>
> Marc has helped Canadians in other ways, too. When Canada was compelled
> in 2000 to legalize medical marijuana by the R. vs. Parker decision of
> the Ontario Court of Appeal, confusion reigned. Although the court had
> said that individuals suffering the daily pain of illnesses such as
> epilepsy, glaucoma, multiple sclerosis, cancer and AIDS could use
> marijuana with their doctor's approval, there was nowhere they could
> legally acquire it. Authorized users who asked Health Canada how to get
> their marijuana were given the suggestion that they purchase it online
> from Marc Emery.
>
> For eight years, Marc sent every federal Member of Parliament a free
> subscription to his magazine, Cannabis Culture. Every issue included a
> copy of his seed catalogue. Every single MP and all of their office
> staff turned a blind eye to his activities, just as Canada Revenue
> Agency and Health Canada had done.
>
> The prohibition against selling marijuana seeds in Canada went
> unenforced for years, but the benefits of those seed sales were
> accepted unhesitatingly by Canadian authorities. It would be the height
> of hypocrisy and injustice for this country to now hand over its
> benefactor to a foreign government for a prosecution it declined to
> pursue itself.
>
> But there's more. Go to any internet search engine and enter "marijuana
> seeds." You'll find many seed vendors still operating without
> prosecution in British Columbia and other Canadian provinces. Why is
> the U.S. government not seeking the extradition of these vendors? Why
> just Marc and his two employees Michelle Rainey and Greg Williams?
>
> I think the answer is obvious. The so-called "BC3" have taken a
> principled, public stand against the U.S. government's war on drugs.
> Marc in particular is a highly effective spokesman for his cause. He
> was never in this business primarily for financial gain, and generally
> kept only enough of his marijuana seed profits to live on. Instead, he
> has donated over $4-million and countless hours to fund court
> challenges, establish compassion clubs for medical marijuana users, pay
> medical bills for activists, sponsor conferences and protests, fund
> ballot initiatives, fund political campaigns and so on. For over a
> decade, he has been a huge thorn in the side of politicians and
> bureaucrats who disagree with him on the political issue of legalizing
> marijuana.
>
> The Extradition Act requires you, Mr. Justice Minister, to refuse to
> surrender a person if the request for extradition is "made for the
> purpose of prosecuting or punishing the person by reason of
> their
political opinion
." Please consider Marc's long
> history of idealistic activism and tell the U.S. government that you
> won't let them haul this politically motivated Canadian hero off to one
> of their jails.
>
> kas at karenselick.com - Karen Selick is a lawyer in Belleville, Ont. -
> Readers can sign an online petition against Marc Emery's extradition at
> http://www.petitiononline.com/Emery/petition.html or they can download
> a paper copy by Googling "petition opposition extradition marc emery"
> and selecting the link.
>
>
>
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From tmeehan at connect.carleton.ca  Thu Jan  3 14:32:29 2008
From: tmeehan at connect.carleton.ca (Tim Meehan)
Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 14:32:29 -0500
Subject: [Ibogaine] Marc Emery in the National Post
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Some letters that were published on this - feel free to write your  
own.  I sent one in response to Doug Tweet, which anyone who has  
followed the Vancouver Stock Exchange  and west coast business will  
get a chuckle out of. :)

---

Sent:

It's amusing that Doug Tweet lashes out at Marc Emery while  
complaining about the life problems that he and his friend blame on  
marijuana.  It seems that while Tweet and his friend had a negative  
experience, Emery's daily marijuana use led him to become one of the  
premier spokesmen for drug law reform in this country - in addition to  
running a successful multi-million dollar business.  As for Tweet's  
pipe dream that "Emery shall henceforth stand as a 'highly effective  
spokesman' for the cause of law and order and the folly of marijuana  
use", it sounds like a little sour grapes, perhaps because of Tweet's  
substandard growing skills, which were probably the real reason he  
exited the market.

---


Webpage: http://www.nationalpost.com/todays_paper/story.html?id=211745

Newshawk: CMAP http://www.mapinc.org/cmap
Pubdate: Thursday, January 3, 2008
Source: National Post (Canada)
Contact: letters at nationalpost.com
Website: http://www.nationalpost.com/
Author: Russell Barth

'The folly of marijuana use'

Karen Selick is incredibly naive if she thinks a puppet like Justice  
Minister Rob
Nicholson is going to do the right thing when it comes to marijuana  
activist Marc Emery.
He, like his boss "Steve," answers to the White House.

Russell Barth, Ottawa.


---

Webpage: http://www.nationalpost.com/todays_paper/story.html?id=211744

Newshawk: CMAP http://www.mapinc.org/cmap
Pubdate: Thursday, January 3, 2008
Source: National Post (Canada)
Contact: letters at nationalpost.com
Website: http://www.nationalpost.com/
Author: Brian Rushfeldt

'The folly of marijuana use'

Hmm, a lawyer condoning criminal acts. Karen Selick's legal illogic  
that Marc Emery paid
taxes so his crime should be ignored is frightening. And she calls  
Marc Emery a
"Canadian hero." This case is not about "political opinion." He broke  
the law. He's a
criminal, not a hero.

Brian Rushfeldt, Calgary.


---

Webpage: http://www.nationalpost.com/todays_paper/story.html?id=211753

Newshawk: CMAP http://www.mapinc.org/cmap
Pubdate: Thursday, January 3, 2008
Source: National Post (Canada)
Contact: letters at nationalpost.com
Website: http://www.nationalpost.com/
Author: Doug Tweet

'The folly of marijuana use'

Re: An Open Letter To Justice Minister Rob Nicholson, Karen Selick,  
Jan. 2.

I read with great amusement Karen Selick's flimsy argument to stop the  
extradition of
Marc Emery, the marijuana legalization activist, to the United States.  
And no, we don't
have to concede that this criminal "has been a huge benefactor to the  
Canadian people."

I was 18 years old when I shut down my marijuana plantation on  
Vancouver Island, after a
deep pensive consideration of what the drug was doing to my friends  
and others, to whom
I sold it to from age 11. I recently visited one friend who, after 30  
years, has finally
concluded the same and has quit smoking pot. This intelligent and  
capable fellow began
heavy pot use at the age of 11 and is now only capable of part-time  
work and lives in a
rundown motor home in the bush. He thinks it's time for a change. So  
do many Canadians
who have witnessed the damage that marijuana has caused to friends and  
loved ones.

Marc Emery shall henceforth stand as a "highly effective spokesman"  
for the cause of law
and order and the folly of marijuana use. How could anyone be so  
naive, whether they're
stoned on pot or not? Smoke another one, Marc. And good riddance.

Doug Tweet, Calgary.


From doranman2 at gmail.com  Thu Jan  3 15:23:47 2008
From: doranman2 at gmail.com (Scott Doran)
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 15:23:47 -0500
Subject: [Ibogaine] Marc Emery in the National Post
In-Reply-To: <3B09FE41-2434-4B9A-AEC6-0C6B5F585BE4@connect.carleton.ca>
References: <609390.6222.qm@web31613.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<3B09FE41-2434-4B9A-AEC6-0C6B5F585BE4@connect.carleton.ca>
Message-ID: <394bc6bd0801031223j6d94a852hb175e796530c2218@mail.gmail.com>

You are not the humanitarian you imagine yourself to be. Mr. Doug Twit, I
mean Tweet. Why don't you go get a hatchet and save the alcoholics from
themselves next?

On Jan 3, 2008 2:32 PM, Tim Meehan <tmeehan at connect.carleton.ca> wrote:

>
> Some letters that were published on this - feel free to write your
> own.  I sent one in response to Doug Tweet, which anyone who has
> followed the Vancouver Stock Exchange  and west coast business will
> get a chuckle out of. :)
>
> ---
>
> Sent:
>
> It's amusing that Doug Tweet lashes out at Marc Emery while
> complaining about the life problems that he and his friend blame on
> marijuana.  It seems that while Tweet and his friend had a negative
> experience, Emery's daily marijuana use led him to become one of the
> premier spokesmen for drug law reform in this country - in addition to
> running a successful multi-million dollar business.  As for Tweet's
> pipe dream that "Emery shall henceforth stand as a 'highly effective
> spokesman' for the cause of law and order and the folly of marijuana
> use", it sounds like a little sour grapes, perhaps because of Tweet's
> substandard growing skills, which were probably the real reason he
> exited the market.
>
> ---
>
>
> Webpage: http://www.nationalpost.com/todays_paper/story.html?id=211745
>
> Newshawk: CMAP http://www.mapinc.org/cmap
> Pubdate: Thursday, January 3, 2008
> Source: National Post (Canada)
> Contact: letters at nationalpost.com
> Website: http://www.nationalpost.com/
> Author: Russell Barth
>
> 'The folly of marijuana use'
>
> Karen Selick is incredibly naive if she thinks a puppet like Justice
> Minister Rob
> Nicholson is going to do the right thing when it comes to marijuana
> activist Marc Emery.
> He, like his boss "Steve," answers to the White House.
>
> Russell Barth, Ottawa.
>
>
> ---
>
> Webpage: http://www.nationalpost.com/todays_paper/story.html?id=211744
>
> Newshawk: CMAP http://www.mapinc.org/cmap
> Pubdate: Thursday, January 3, 2008
> Source: National Post (Canada)
> Contact: letters at nationalpost.com
> Website: http://www.nationalpost.com/
> Author: Brian Rushfeldt
>
> 'The folly of marijuana use'
>
> Hmm, a lawyer condoning criminal acts. Karen Selick's legal illogic
> that Marc Emery paid
> taxes so his crime should be ignored is frightening. And she calls
> Marc Emery a
> "Canadian hero." This case is not about "political opinion." He broke
> the law. He's a
> criminal, not a hero.
>
> Brian Rushfeldt, Calgary.
>
>
> ---
>
> Webpage: http://www.nationalpost.com/todays_paper/story.html?id=211753
>
> Newshawk: CMAP http://www.mapinc.org/cmap
> Pubdate: Thursday, January 3, 2008
> Source: National Post (Canada)
> Contact: letters at nationalpost.com
> Website: http://www.nationalpost.com/
> Author: Doug Tweet
>
> 'The folly of marijuana use'
>
> Re: An Open Letter To Justice Minister Rob Nicholson, Karen Selick,
> Jan. 2.
>
> I read with great amusement Karen Selick's flimsy argument to stop the
> extradition of
> Marc Emery, the marijuana legalization activist, to the United States.
> And no, we don't
> have to concede that this criminal "has been a huge benefactor to the
> Canadian people."
>
> I was 18 years old when I shut down my marijuana plantation on
> Vancouver Island, after a
> deep pensive consideration of what the drug was doing to my friends
> and others, to whom
> I sold it to from age 11. I recently visited one friend who, after 30
> years, has finally
> concluded the same and has quit smoking pot. This intelligent and
> capable fellow began
> heavy pot use at the age of 11 and is now only capable of part-time
> work and lives in a
> rundown motor home in the bush. He thinks it's time for a change. So
> do many Canadians
> who have witnessed the damage that marijuana has caused to friends and
> loved ones.
>
> Marc Emery shall henceforth stand as a "highly effective spokesman"
> for the cause of law
> and order and the folly of marijuana use. How could anyone be so
> naive, whether they're
> stoned on pot or not? Smoke another one, Marc. And good riddance.
>
> Doug Tweet, Calgary.
>
>
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From bicuitboy714 at gmail.com  Thu Jan  3 17:43:24 2008
From: bicuitboy714 at gmail.com (Randy Faulconer)
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 17:43:24 -0500
Subject: [Ibogaine] Marc Emery in the National Post
In-Reply-To: <3B09FE41-2434-4B9A-AEC6-0C6B5F585BE4@connect.carleton.ca>
References: <609390.6222.qm@web31613.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<3B09FE41-2434-4B9A-AEC6-0C6B5F585BE4@connect.carleton.ca>
Message-ID: <29d165a30801031443r40e10983we0eb2fc798df1f65@mail.gmail.com>

      Well hello Tim, welcome to the Ibogaine list. Have you been lurking
for a while?? This is what makes up a lot of my world. Help us spread the
word about Ibogaine.

        Peace Love and Solidarity
            Randy

On Jan 3, 2008 2:32 PM, Tim Meehan <tmeehan at connect.carleton.ca> wrote:

>
> Some letters that were published on this - feel free to write your
> own.  I sent one in response to Doug Tweet, which anyone who has
> followed the Vancouver Stock Exchange  and west coast business will
> get a chuckle out of. :)
>
> ---
>
> Sent:
>
> It's amusing that Doug Tweet lashes out at Marc Emery while
> complaining about the life problems that he and his friend blame on
> marijuana.  It seems that while Tweet and his friend had a negative
> experience, Emery's daily marijuana use led him to become one of the
> premier spokesmen for drug law reform in this country - in addition to
> running a successful multi-million dollar business.  As for Tweet's
> pipe dream that "Emery shall henceforth stand as a 'highly effective
> spokesman' for the cause of law and order and the folly of marijuana
> use", it sounds like a little sour grapes, perhaps because of Tweet's
> substandard growing skills, which were probably the real reason he
> exited the market.
>
> ---
>
>
> Webpage: http://www.nationalpost.com/todays_paper/story.html?id=211745
>
> Newshawk: CMAP http://www.mapinc.org/cmap
> Pubdate: Thursday, January 3, 2008
> Source: National Post (Canada)
> Contact: letters at nationalpost.com
> Website: http://www.nationalpost.com/
> Author: Russell Barth
>
> 'The folly of marijuana use'
>
> Karen Selick is incredibly naive if she thinks a puppet like Justice
> Minister Rob
> Nicholson is going to do the right thing when it comes to marijuana
> activist Marc Emery.
> He, like his boss "Steve," answers to the White House.
>
> Russell Barth, Ottawa.
>
>
> ---
>
> Webpage: http://www.nationalpost.com/todays_paper/story.html?id=211744
>
> Newshawk: CMAP http://www.mapinc.org/cmap
> Pubdate: Thursday, January 3, 2008
> Source: National Post (Canada)
> Contact: letters at nationalpost.com
> Website: http://www.nationalpost.com/
> Author: Brian Rushfeldt
>
> 'The folly of marijuana use'
>
> Hmm, a lawyer condoning criminal acts. Karen Selick's legal illogic
> that Marc Emery paid
> taxes so his crime should be ignored is frightening. And she calls
> Marc Emery a
> "Canadian hero." This case is not about "political opinion." He broke
> the law. He's a
> criminal, not a hero.
>
> Brian Rushfeldt, Calgary.
>
>
> ---
>
> Webpage: http://www.nationalpost.com/todays_paper/story.html?id=211753
>
> Newshawk: CMAP http://www.mapinc.org/cmap
> Pubdate: Thursday, January 3, 2008
> Source: National Post (Canada)
> Contact: letters at nationalpost.com
> Website: http://www.nationalpost.com/
> Author: Doug Tweet
>
> 'The folly of marijuana use'
>
> Re: An Open Letter To Justice Minister Rob Nicholson, Karen Selick,
> Jan. 2.
>
> I read with great amusement Karen Selick's flimsy argument to stop the
> extradition of
> Marc Emery, the marijuana legalization activist, to the United States.
> And no, we don't
> have to concede that this criminal "has been a huge benefactor to the
> Canadian people."
>
> I was 18 years old when I shut down my marijuana plantation on
> Vancouver Island, after a
> deep pensive consideration of what the drug was doing to my friends
> and others, to whom
> I sold it to from age 11. I recently visited one friend who, after 30
> years, has finally
> concluded the same and has quit smoking pot. This intelligent and
> capable fellow began
> heavy pot use at the age of 11 and is now only capable of part-time
> work and lives in a
> rundown motor home in the bush. He thinks it's time for a change. So
> do many Canadians
> who have witnessed the damage that marijuana has caused to friends and
> loved ones.
>
> Marc Emery shall henceforth stand as a "highly effective spokesman"
> for the cause of law
> and order and the folly of marijuana use. How could anyone be so
> naive, whether they're
> stoned on pot or not? Smoke another one, Marc. And good riddance.
>
> Doug Tweet, Calgary.
>
>
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From matt at itsupport.net  Thu Jan  3 19:40:23 2008
From: matt at itsupport.net (Matthew Shriver)
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 17:40:23 -0700
Subject: [Ibogaine] Marc Emery in the National Post
In-Reply-To: <3B09FE41-2434-4B9A-AEC6-0C6B5F585BE4@connect.carleton.ca>
Message-ID: <002d01c84e6a$64bc2190$3201a8c0@blackfiashly>

People who think other people do not deserve the right to make the same
"mistakes" they did are hypocrites.  It is also the height of arrogance to
assume that your "lessons learned" should be applied to the rest of the
human race.

Matt



-----Original Message-----
From: ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com [mailto:ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com] On
Behalf Of Tim Meehan
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 12:32 PM
To: The Ibogaine List
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Marc Emery in the National Post


Some letters that were published on this - feel free to write your  
own.  I sent one in response to Doug Tweet, which anyone who has  
followed the Vancouver Stock Exchange  and west coast business will  
get a chuckle out of. :)

---

Sent:

It's amusing that Doug Tweet lashes out at Marc Emery while  
complaining about the life problems that he and his friend blame on  
marijuana.  It seems that while Tweet and his friend had a negative  
experience, Emery's daily marijuana use led him to become one of the  
premier spokesmen for drug law reform in this country - in addition to  
running a successful multi-million dollar business.  As for Tweet's  
pipe dream that "Emery shall henceforth stand as a 'highly effective  
spokesman' for the cause of law and order and the folly of marijuana  
use", it sounds like a little sour grapes, perhaps because of Tweet's  
substandard growing skills, which were probably the real reason he  
exited the market.

---


Webpage: http://www.nationalpost.com/todays_paper/story.html?id=211745

Newshawk: CMAP http://www.mapinc.org/cmap
Pubdate: Thursday, January 3, 2008
Source: National Post (Canada)
Contact: letters at nationalpost.com
Website: http://www.nationalpost.com/
Author: Russell Barth

'The folly of marijuana use'

Karen Selick is incredibly naive if she thinks a puppet like Justice  
Minister Rob
Nicholson is going to do the right thing when it comes to marijuana  
activist Marc Emery.
He, like his boss "Steve," answers to the White House.

Russell Barth, Ottawa.


---

Webpage: http://www.nationalpost.com/todays_paper/story.html?id=211744

Newshawk: CMAP http://www.mapinc.org/cmap
Pubdate: Thursday, January 3, 2008
Source: National Post (Canada)
Contact: letters at nationalpost.com
Website: http://www.nationalpost.com/
Author: Brian Rushfeldt

'The folly of marijuana use'

Hmm, a lawyer condoning criminal acts. Karen Selick's legal illogic  
that Marc Emery paid
taxes so his crime should be ignored is frightening. And she calls  
Marc Emery a
"Canadian hero." This case is not about "political opinion." He broke  
the law. He's a
criminal, not a hero.

Brian Rushfeldt, Calgary.


---

Webpage: http://www.nationalpost.com/todays_paper/story.html?id=211753

Newshawk: CMAP http://www.mapinc.org/cmap
Pubdate: Thursday, January 3, 2008
Source: National Post (Canada)
Contact: letters at nationalpost.com
Website: http://www.nationalpost.com/
Author: Doug Tweet

'The folly of marijuana use'

Re: An Open Letter To Justice Minister Rob Nicholson, Karen Selick,  
Jan. 2.

I read with great amusement Karen Selick's flimsy argument to stop the  
extradition of
Marc Emery, the marijuana legalization activist, to the United States.  
And no, we don't
have to concede that this criminal "has been a huge benefactor to the  
Canadian people."

I was 18 years old when I shut down my marijuana plantation on  
Vancouver Island, after a
deep pensive consideration of what the drug was doing to my friends  
and others, to whom
I sold it to from age 11. I recently visited one friend who, after 30  
years, has finally
concluded the same and has quit smoking pot. This intelligent and  
capable fellow began
heavy pot use at the age of 11 and is now only capable of part-time  
work and lives in a
rundown motor home in the bush. He thinks it's time for a change. So  
do many Canadians
who have witnessed the damage that marijuana has caused to friends and  
loved ones.

Marc Emery shall henceforth stand as a "highly effective spokesman"  
for the cause of law
and order and the folly of marijuana use. How could anyone be so  
naive, whether they're
stoned on pot or not? Smoke another one, Marc. And good riddance.

Doug Tweet, Calgary.

 
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From doug_fraser at microcinema.com  Thu Jan  3 20:56:24 2008
From: doug_fraser at microcinema.com (Douglas Fraser)
Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 01:56:24 +0000
Subject: [Ibogaine] Marc Emery in the National Post
In-Reply-To: <3B09FE41-2434-4B9A-AEC6-0C6B5F585BE4@connect.carleton.ca>
References: <609390.6222.qm@web31613.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<3B09FE41-2434-4B9A-AEC6-0C6B5F585BE4@connect.carleton.ca>
Message-ID: <477D9248.7090602@microcinema.com>

um...  one of the _biggest_ things that annoys me about the "War On Drugs" 
and the arguments that fly about is the willful ignoring the fact that an 
11 year old is quite different than a 16 year old than a 24 year old than a 
30... etc.   You can't treat all these age groups the same.  So therefore 
anyone who starting smoking at ELEVEN (for god's sakes) is bound to have 
personal / psych issues - eleven year olds don't do that unless there is 
some serious other dysfunctional stuff going on in their life.  drug use in 
the extremely young is certainly just a symptom of other deeper issues.  So 
to blame "drugs" then for all that's gone wrong is a cop-out and a way of 
avoiding the real truth.

any sort of drug abuse or dysfunction associated with drugs goes hand in 
hand with other issues that more than likely fuel the abuse.  what is 
y'all's opinions on the likelyhood of a sane, stable, happy...  cheerleader 
(the ABSOLUTE worst person to get hooked on drugs <sarcasm>) from a stable, 
loving family to get into serious trouble off of drugs (experimentation != 
hooked) ?


Tim Meehan wrote:
> Some letters that were published on this - feel free to write your  
> own.  I sent one in response to Doug Tweet, which anyone who has  
> followed the Vancouver Stock Exchange  and west coast business will  
> get a chuckle out of. :)
> 
> ---
> 
> Sent:
> 
> It's amusing that Doug Tweet lashes out at Marc Emery while  
> complaining about the life problems that he and his friend blame on  
> marijuana.  It seems that while Tweet and his friend had a negative  
> experience, Emery's daily marijuana use led him to become one of the  
> premier spokesmen for drug law reform in this country - in addition to  
> running a successful multi-million dollar business.  As for Tweet's  
> pipe dream that "Emery shall henceforth stand as a 'highly effective  
> spokesman' for the cause of law and order and the folly of marijuana  
> use", it sounds like a little sour grapes, perhaps because of Tweet's  
> substandard growing skills, which were probably the real reason he  
> exited the market.
> 
> ---
> 
> 
> Webpage: http://www.nationalpost.com/todays_paper/story.html?id=211745
> 
> Newshawk: CMAP http://www.mapinc.org/cmap
> Pubdate: Thursday, January 3, 2008
> Source: National Post (Canada)
> Contact: letters at nationalpost.com
> Website: http://www.nationalpost.com/
> Author: Russell Barth
> 
> 'The folly of marijuana use'
> 
> Karen Selick is incredibly naive if she thinks a puppet like Justice  
> Minister Rob
> Nicholson is going to do the right thing when it comes to marijuana  
> activist Marc Emery.
> He, like his boss "Steve," answers to the White House.
> 
> Russell Barth, Ottawa.
> 
> 
> ---
> 
> Webpage: http://www.nationalpost.com/todays_paper/story.html?id=211744
> 
> Newshawk: CMAP http://www.mapinc.org/cmap
> Pubdate: Thursday, January 3, 2008
> Source: National Post (Canada)
> Contact: letters at nationalpost.com
> Website: http://www.nationalpost.com/
> Author: Brian Rushfeldt
> 
> 'The folly of marijuana use'
> 
> Hmm, a lawyer condoning criminal acts. Karen Selick's legal illogic  
> that Marc Emery paid
> taxes so his crime should be ignored is frightening. And she calls  
> Marc Emery a
> "Canadian hero." This case is not about "political opinion." He broke  
> the law. He's a
> criminal, not a hero.
> 
> Brian Rushfeldt, Calgary.
> 
> 
> ---
> 
> Webpage: http://www.nationalpost.com/todays_paper/story.html?id=211753
> 
> Newshawk: CMAP http://www.mapinc.org/cmap
> Pubdate: Thursday, January 3, 2008
> Source: National Post (Canada)
> Contact: letters at nationalpost.com
> Website: http://www.nationalpost.com/
> Author: Doug Tweet
> 
> 'The folly of marijuana use'
> 
> Re: An Open Letter To Justice Minister Rob Nicholson, Karen Selick,  
> Jan. 2.
> 
> I read with great amusement Karen Selick's flimsy argument to stop the  
> extradition of
> Marc Emery, the marijuana legalization activist, to the United States.  
> And no, we don't
> have to concede that this criminal "has been a huge benefactor to the  
> Canadian people."
> 
> I was 18 years old when I shut down my marijuana plantation on  
> Vancouver Island, after a
> deep pensive consideration of what the drug was doing to my friends  
> and others, to whom
> I sold it to from age 11. I recently visited one friend who, after 30  
> years, has finally
> concluded the same and has quit smoking pot. This intelligent and  
> capable fellow began
> heavy pot use at the age of 11 and is now only capable of part-time  
> work and lives in a
> rundown motor home in the bush. He thinks it's time for a change. So  
> do many Canadians
> who have witnessed the damage that marijuana has caused to friends and  
> loved ones.
> 
> Marc Emery shall henceforth stand as a "highly effective spokesman"  
> for the cause of law
> and order and the folly of marijuana use. How could anyone be so  
> naive, whether they're
> stoned on pot or not? Smoke another one, Marc. And good riddance.
> 
> Doug Tweet, Calgary.
> 
>  
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From bicuitboy714 at gmail.com  Fri Jan  4 08:24:07 2008
From: bicuitboy714 at gmail.com (Randy Faulconer)
Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 08:24:07 -0500
Subject: [Ibogaine] Marc Emery in the National Post
In-Reply-To: <477D9248.7090602@microcinema.com>
References: <609390.6222.qm@web31613.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<3B09FE41-2434-4B9A-AEC6-0C6B5F585BE4@connect.carleton.ca>
	<477D9248.7090602@microcinema.com>
Message-ID: <29d165a30801040524x58e665f5lc40237118fa2269f@mail.gmail.com>

        Wait just a minute here Mr Fraser, I started smoking pot when I was
11 years old and look at me I'm a
fine.upstan...........................................never mind, you have
made a point here. At least in my case. I'm fuckin' whacked and it aint no
seSkREt. I had BIG issues. The thing is though, I would have been better off
smoking pot than taking the drugs that they put me on. I never once had a
bad episode occur when I was just smoking pot. Drinking? fuck ya........I
was nuts when I was drunk..........barbiturates?? Put 4 reds in me and I
would hunt bear with a sharp stick. Pot mellowed me out and made me want to
play music. I was put on Torfanil, Tranxene, Elavil, and something else I
can't remember plus they played around with the doses. This was at the age
of 14.

       As for your question about the cheerleaders, man I knew this girl who
could..............O yea, I got off of the subject, anyway, I personally
know some women that were cheerleaders AND their daddy had lotso money from
the horse racing business and they had real problems. One of them now is a
professional crack whore. She was beautiful, came from big money, and it
didn't make a bit of difference.

         You're right, pot and other drug use at the pre-teen level is an
indication of underlying issues in my opinion, sometimes. Not always though.

           Peace Love and Slam Books
                 Randy

On Jan 3, 2008 8:56 PM, Douglas Fraser <doug_fraser at microcinema.com> wrote:

> um...  one of the _biggest_ things that annoys me about the "War On Drugs"
> and the arguments that fly about is the willful ignoring the fact that an
> 11 year old is quite different than a 16 year old than a 24 year old than
> a
> 30... etc.   You can't treat all these age groups the same.  So therefore
> anyone who starting smoking at ELEVEN (for god's sakes) is bound to have
> personal / psych issues - eleven year olds don't do that unless there is
> some serious other dysfunctional stuff going on in their life.  drug use
> in
> the extremely young is certainly just a symptom of other deeper issues.
>  So
> to blame "drugs" then for all that's gone wrong is a cop-out and a way of
> avoiding the real truth.
>
> any sort of drug abuse or dysfunction associated with drugs goes hand in
> hand with other issues that more than likely fuel the abuse.  what is
> y'all's opinions on the likelyhood of a sane, stable, happy...
>  cheerleader
> (the ABSOLUTE worst person to get hooked on drugs <sarcasm>) from a
> stable,
> loving family to get into serious trouble off of drugs (experimentation !=
> hooked) ?
>
>
> Tim Meehan wrote:
> > Some letters that were published on this - feel free to write your
> > own.  I sent one in response to Doug Tweet, which anyone who has
> > followed the Vancouver Stock Exchange  and west coast business will
> > get a chuckle out of. :)
> >
> > ---
> >
> > Sent:
> >
> > It's amusing that Doug Tweet lashes out at Marc Emery while
> > complaining about the life problems that he and his friend blame on
> > marijuana.  It seems that while Tweet and his friend had a negative
> > experience, Emery's daily marijuana use led him to become one of the
> > premier spokesmen for drug law reform in this country - in addition to
> > running a successful multi-million dollar business.  As for Tweet's
> > pipe dream that "Emery shall henceforth stand as a 'highly effective
> > spokesman' for the cause of law and order and the folly of marijuana
> > use", it sounds like a little sour grapes, perhaps because of Tweet's
> > substandard growing skills, which were probably the real reason he
> > exited the market.
> >
> > ---
> >
> >
> > Webpage: http://www.nationalpost.com/todays_paper/story.html?id=211745
> >
> > Newshawk: CMAP http://www.mapinc.org/cmap
> > Pubdate: Thursday, January 3, 2008
> > Source: National Post (Canada)
> > Contact: letters at nationalpost.com
> > Website: http://www.nationalpost.com/
> > Author: Russell Barth
> >
> > 'The folly of marijuana use'
> >
> > Karen Selick is incredibly naive if she thinks a puppet like Justice
> > Minister Rob
> > Nicholson is going to do the right thing when it comes to marijuana
> > activist Marc Emery.
> > He, like his boss "Steve," answers to the White House.
> >
> > Russell Barth, Ottawa.
> >
> >
> > ---
> >
> > Webpage: http://www.nationalpost.com/todays_paper/story.html?id=211744
> >
> > Newshawk: CMAP http://www.mapinc.org/cmap
> > Pubdate: Thursday, January 3, 2008
> > Source: National Post (Canada)
> > Contact: letters at nationalpost.com
> > Website: http://www.nationalpost.com/
> > Author: Brian Rushfeldt
> >
> > 'The folly of marijuana use'
> >
> > Hmm, a lawyer condoning criminal acts. Karen Selick's legal illogic
> > that Marc Emery paid
> > taxes so his crime should be ignored is frightening. And she calls
> > Marc Emery a
> > "Canadian hero." This case is not about "political opinion." He broke
> > the law. He's a
> > criminal, not a hero.
> >
> > Brian Rushfeldt, Calgary.
> >
> >
> > ---
> >
> > Webpage: http://www.nationalpost.com/todays_paper/story.html?id=211753
> >
> > Newshawk: CMAP http://www.mapinc.org/cmap
> > Pubdate: Thursday, January 3, 2008
> > Source: National Post (Canada)
> > Contact: letters at nationalpost.com
> > Website: http://www.nationalpost.com/
> > Author: Doug Tweet
> >
> > 'The folly of marijuana use'
> >
> > Re: An Open Letter To Justice Minister Rob Nicholson, Karen Selick,
> > Jan. 2.
> >
> > I read with great amusement Karen Selick's flimsy argument to stop the
> > extradition of
> > Marc Emery, the marijuana legalization activist, to the United States.
> > And no, we don't
> > have to concede that this criminal "has been a huge benefactor to the
> > Canadian people."
> >
> > I was 18 years old when I shut down my marijuana plantation on
> > Vancouver Island, after a
> > deep pensive consideration of what the drug was doing to my friends
> > and others, to whom
> > I sold it to from age 11. I recently visited one friend who, after 30
> > years, has finally
> > concluded the same and has quit smoking pot. This intelligent and
> > capable fellow began
> > heavy pot use at the age of 11 and is now only capable of part-time
> > work and lives in a
> > rundown motor home in the bush. He thinks it's time for a change. So
> > do many Canadians
> > who have witnessed the damage that marijuana has caused to friends and
> > loved ones.
> >
> > Marc Emery shall henceforth stand as a "highly effective spokesman"
> > for the cause of law
> > and order and the folly of marijuana use. How could anyone be so
> > naive, whether they're
> > stoned on pot or not? Smoke another one, Marc. And good riddance.
> >
> > Doug Tweet, Calgary.
> >
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>To: Alena Vance <vancea at cleanwaterservices.org>, Bruce 
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From matt at itsupport.net  Fri Jan  4 23:05:21 2008
From: matt at itsupport.net (Matthew Shriver)
Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 21:05:21 -0700
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fwd: This is Creeeeeeeeeeeeepy.........
In-Reply-To: <8CA1D3053A6653F-250-2298@webmail-me14.sysops.aol.com>
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Well since no-one else said it I will.  Please don't send forwards to the
list like this.  

 

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From: Trey NATION <treyandarayna at msn.com>
To: algail at ihug.co.nz; suzan at vel.net; jeffcam at msn.com; rottigirl1 at msn.com;
news at academyenergeticsciences.com; DClonick at nationalgrants.com;
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Subject: FW: This is Creeeeeeeeeeeeepy.........

 
>From: Janet Van Kleek <herbpower4u at hotmail.com> 
>To: Alena Vance <vancea at cleanwaterservices.org>, Bruce
>VanKleek<bruce at paclamp.com>, Cindy Greer <ckgreer at comcast.net>, Debbie
>Stewmon<stewmond at cleanwaterservices.org>, Jane
>Nishizaki<nishizakij at cleanwaterservices.org>, Jeff <bowler19 at msn.com>,
>Kathy Jones<mkjones123 at msn.com>, Linda Taylor <taylor0777 at comcast.net>,
>Wina Mapili<w_mapili at yahoo.com>, Susan Flathers <csflathers at earthlink.net>,
>Trey NATION<treyandarayna at msn.com> 
>Subject: FW: This is Creeeeeeeeeeeeepy......... 
>Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 11:05:16 -0800 
> 
> 
>Janet Van Kleek 
> 
> 
>From: crystal_loomis at houstons-inc.comTo: sonia_baltazar at houstons-inc.com;
>kayla1225 at gmail.com; taylor0777 at comcast.netCC: herbpower4u at hotmail.com;
>krloomis at gmail.comSubject: FW: This is Creeeeeeeeeeeeepy.........Date: Wed,
>2 Jan 2008 08:32:31 -0800 
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> Crystal LoomisHouston's Inc.Returns Dept. A-J9799 S.W. Freeman
>Dr.Wilsonville, OR 97070503-582-1121 ext.420HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!! 
>-----Original Message-----From: Cheryl Hartley
>[mailto:cheryl_hartley at houstons-inc.com
<mailto:cheryl_hartley at houstons-inc.com?> ] Sent: Wednesday, January 02,
2008 >8:17 AMTo: crystal_loomis at houstons-inc.coM; 'Sarah Breshears'; 'Marie
>Lotterer'; AMY_HORN at HOUSTONS-INC.COM;
>valerie_hughes at houstons-inc.comSubject: FW: This is
>Creeeeeeeeeeeeepy......... 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>Cheryl Hartley 
>Houston's Inc. 
>Accounts Receivable 
>Ph-(503)-582-1121 ext 581 
> (800)-347-8479 ext 581 
>Fx-(503)-582-2443 
> 
>-----Original Message-----From: Kathy & Steve Wiltshire
>[mailto:swiltshire at bctonline.com <mailto:swiltshire at bctonline.com?> ] Sent:
Monday, December 31, 2007 11:17 >AMTo: Cheryl Hartley; Dad & Peg Nelson; Dan
& Julie Pelly; Debbie Young; >Harthuns; Janelle ; Jessica Cousland;
jessielynne1112 at msn.com; karmonde >anderson; Kelli & Dave LeisureSubject:
FW: This is >Creeeeeeeeeeeeepy......... 
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>From: Tom Brita [mailto:tjbrita at earthlink.net
<mailto:tjbrita at earthlink.net?> ] Sent: Tuesday, December 25, >2007 8:16
AMTo: adam shipe; al hollowell; dan brita; dave zirille; floyd >stephens;
frank colone; jim bockbrader; john brita; paul meyers; steve a
>shipeSubject: Fw: This is Creeeeeeeeeeeeepy......... 
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>----- Original Message ----- 
> 
>From: Frendlysky at aol.com 
> 
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>SPORTS197 at aol.com ; usa.environmentalist at yahoo.com ; Tazzb_2000 at yahoo.com 
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>-----Original Message-----From: Jean V. Helms [mailto:jrhe at msn.com
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> 
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> 
> 
>====================================================== 
> 
>if this picture doesn't show up....it is 2 angels with a sled of gifts....1
>pushing, 1 pulling the sled thru the snow....and the snow is still falling.

> 
>Ok guys, this truly is freaky, thePhone literally rang as soon as I readThe
>last word of this email!!!!!I am taking the bait -What do I have to lose
>right? Hope it works!Supposedly The Phone Will RingRight After You Do
>This.Just read the little stories andThink of a wish as you scroll allThe
>way to the bottom. There isA message there - then make yourWish.No
>attachment on this one!StoriesI'm 13 years old, and I wishedThat my dad
>would come home fromThe army, because he'd been havingProblems with his
>heart and rightLeg. It was 2:53 p .m.. When I madeMy wish. At 3: 07 PM. (14
>minutes Later), the doorbell rang, andThere my Dad was, luggage and
>all!!I'm Katie and I'm 20 and I've beenhaving trouble in my job and on
>theverge of quitting. I made a simplewish that my boss would get a newjob.
>That was at 1:35 and at 2:55there was an announcement that hewas promoted
>and was leaving foranother city. Believe me...thisreally works!!!My name is
>Ann and I am 45 yearsof age. I had always been singleand had been hoping to
>get into anice, loving relationship for manyyears. While kind of
>daydreaming 
>(and right after receiving this email) I wished that a quality person
>wouldfinally come into my life. That was at9:10 AM on a Tuesday. At 9:55
>AMa FedEx delivery man came into myoffice. He was cute, polite andcould
>not stop smiling at me. He started coming back almost everyday 
>(even without packages) and asked meout a week later . We married 6months
>later and now have beenhappily married for 2 years. What a great email it
>was!!Just scroll down to the end, butwhile you do, think of a wish.Make
>your wish when you have completedscrolling. Whatever age you are, is
>thenumber of minutes it will take for yourwish to come true. Ex. you are 25
>yearsold, it will take 25 minutes for your wishto come true).However, if
>you don't send this topeople in 5 minutes, you will have bad luck for
>years!!Go for it!!!SCROLL
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From prestonpeet at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  5 00:51:37 2008
From: prestonpeet at yahoo.com (Preston Peet)
Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 21:51:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fwd: This is Creeeeeeeeeeeeepy.........
Message-ID: <33782.63350.qm@web63011.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

somehow my yahoo caught this as spam. I might notta answered anyways, but thought I'd mention it as that might be why no one else answered either Matt.
Hope yer well.
Peace,
Preston


----- Original Message ----
From: Matthew Shriver <matt at itsupport.net>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, January 4, 2008 11:05:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fwd: This is Creeeeeeeeeeeeepy.........


Well since no-one else said it I will.  Please don?t send forwards to the list like this.  
 
Matt
 



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From doranman2 at gmail.com  Sat Jan  5 02:49:49 2008
From: doranman2 at gmail.com (Scott Doran)
Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 02:49:49 -0500
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fwd: This is Creeeeeeeeeeeeepy.........
In-Reply-To: <8CA1D3053A6653F-250-2298@webmail-me14.sysops.aol.com>
References: <BAY105-F3985026AE0EF149046A7C6B0520@phx.gbl>
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Message-ID: <394bc6bd0801042349p330df190seceb4fbef672dfb2@mail.gmail.com>

I love positive energy and will play any game if it is fun. But what are we
talking about here? Wishes come true just by forwarding a chain letter to 10
friends? In my experience it is not so simple,  Try having children, teach
and support them till they can go out and help weave a community together
where people matter more than things They come together and create a culture
which the Earth can find favor with, All of you beautiful people are an
essential part of the mosaic of life of which we all are a party to,
so.letus give pause, and consider where we really want to go.

Dark forces threaten the growth of the kind of world we need to live in, Are
we to live as slaves in an economic system congested with stuff, without
regard to us. Has global commerce overwhelmed our local economy with stuff
destined for the landfill?

I loved the elderly lady with the antique store, and Raven who who sings
like a bird and has an herb for any malady. Pilgrim needs a place for a pole
barn and community.There's Troy in the trees. looking out for bird,
squirrel, and even snake to cover  (God knows we need em all). Those Vets
for Peace who witnessed the desolation spun in a world where chaos rules
coming back to set things straight again. And how about the homeless
advocates, they truly love those human beings, tragic casualties of cold
capitalism. Donny and  Rhaina hanging on to Farm to Families (tunes
tenaciously). There is so much I wish to see survive and thrive. Will there
be a food coop as hoped for?

And I, a burned out tree man/ psych nurse, who cannot turn the corporate
wheel anymore, I feel so lost. How can we put it together so it works
again,  How can I fix myself,. undo a life of brainwashing. How do we
collectively reclaim the Earth, our Home, I still love her so.

Galaxies are forming to prepare for future life,in other parts of the
Universe but I am in no rush to abandon what we have started here. We have
been acting out a myth for 10,0000 years, but the real story is much longer
and not over yet. We need to come together, develop a rationale plan, and
live in this world the way we were meant to. We could do all kinds of good
things.

We just need to get past some cultural myths-- Manifest destiny is a
fallacy, The Earth is not a force to be conquered, western culture does not
embody ultimate truth, other life forms have rights. a new world order is
not necessary, diversity is much more stable, we don't need any more poisons
released into the environment, all people are equal and we don't have to
keep killing each other.

I will invest my inheritance to help make this hope a reality. I will let go
of the dark past for a bright future. I think the Indians might be helpful
if we would accept some of their wisdom. Call me naive (native?), I don't
care. There is too much at stake.

I believer this is where Ibogaine brings us, first we fix ourselves, then we
fix the world, together.






On Jan 4, 2008 4:31 PM, <energeticvibe1 at aol.com> wrote:

>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Trey NATION \<treyandarayna at msn.com>
> To: algail at ihug.co.nz; suzan at vel.net; jeffcam at msn.com; rottigirl1 at msn.com;
> news at academyenergeticsciences.com; DClonick at nationalgrants.com;
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> ealucas1 at juno.com; esateysandbeyond at aol.com
> Sent: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 12:41 pm
> Subject: FW: This is Creeeeeeeeeeeeepy.........
>
>
> >From: Janet Van Kleek <herbpower4u at hotmail.com>
> >To: Alena Vance <vancea at cleanwaterservices.org>, Bruce >VanKleek<
> bruce at paclamp.com>, Cindy Greer <ckgreer at comcast.net>, Debbie >Stewmon<
> stewmond at cleanwaterservices.org>, Jane >Nishizaki<
> nishizakij at cleanwaterservices.org>, Jeff <bowler19 at msn.com>, >Kathy Jones<
> mkjones123 at msn.com>, Linda Taylor <taylor0777 at comcast.net>, >Wina Mapili<
> w_mapili at yahoo.com>, Susan Flathers <csflathers at earthlink.net>, >Trey
> NATION<treyandarayna at msn.com>
> >Subject: FW: This is Creeeeeeeeeeeeepy.........
> >Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 11:05:16 -0800
> >
> >
> >Janet Van Kleek
> >
> >
> >From: crystal_loomis at houstons-inc.comTo: sonia_baltazar at houstons-inc.com;
> >kayla1225 at gmail.com; taylor0777 at comcast.netCC: herbpower4u at hotmail.com; >
> krloomis at gmail.comSubject: FW: This is Creeeeeeeeeeeeepy.........Date:
> Wed, >2 Jan 2008 08:32:31 -0800
> >
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> >
> > Crystal LoomisHouston's Inc.Returns Dept. A-J9799 S.W. Freeman >
> Dr.Wilsonville, OR 97070503-582-1121 ext.420HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!
> >-----Original Message-----From: Cheryl Hartley >[
> mailto:cheryl_hartley at houstons-inc.com <cheryl_hartley at houstons-inc.com?>]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 >8:17 AMTo:
> crystal_loomis at houstons-inc.coM; 'Sarah Breshears'; 'Marie >Lotterer';
> AMY_HORN at HOUSTONS-INC.COM; >valerie_hughes at houstons-inc.comSubject: FW:
> This is >Creeeeeeeeeeeeepy.........
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Cheryl Hartley
> >Houston's Inc.
> >Accounts Receivable
> >Ph-(503)-582-1121 ext 581
> > (800)-347-8479 ext 581
> >Fx-(503)-582-2443
> >
> >-----Original Message-----From: Kathy & Steve Wiltshire >[
> mailto:swiltshire at bctonline.com <swiltshire at bctonline.com?>] Sent: Monday,
> December 31, 2007 11:17 >AMTo: Cheryl Hartley; Dad & Peg Nelson; Dan & Julie
> Pelly; Debbie Young; >Harthuns; Janelle ; Jessica Cousland;
> jessielynne1112 at msn.com; karmonde >anderson; Kelli & Dave LeisureSubject:
> FW: This is >Creeeeeeeeeeeeepy.........
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >From: Tom Brita [mailto:tjbrita at earthlink.net <tjbrita at earthlink.net?>]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 25, >2007 8:16 AMTo: adam shipe; al hollowell; dan
> brita; dave zirille; floyd >stephens; frank colone; jim bockbrader; john
> brita; paul meyers; steve a >shipeSubject: Fw: This is
> Creeeeeeeeeeeeepy.........
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >
> >From: Frendlysky at aol.com
> >
> >To: BobbyO1225 at aol.com ; mandosonja at cox.net ; nancy10000 at msn.com ; >
> SPORTS197 at aol.com ; usa.environmentalist at yahoo.com ; Tazzb_2000 at yahoo.com
> >
> >Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 8:23 PM
> >
> >Subject: Fw: This is Creeeeeeeeeeeeepy.........
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >-----Original Message-----From: Jean V. Helms [mailto:jrhe at msn.com<jrhe at msn.com?>]
> Sent: >Thursday, December 06, 2007 3:19 PMTo:
> undisclosed-recipients:Subject: This >is Creeeeeeeeeeeeepy.........
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >This is from a friend who is the most pragmatic person in the world, she
> is >an engineer! If she sends it I listen. Besides, what's the harm.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >======================================================
> >
> >if this picture doesn't show up....it is 2 angels with a sled of
> gifts....1 >pushing, 1 pulling the sled thru the snow....and the snow is
> still falling.
> >
> >Ok guys, this truly is freaky, thePhone literally rang as soon as I
> readThe >last word of this email!!!!!I am taking the bait -What do I have to
> lose >right? Hope it works!Supposedly The Phone Will RingRight After You Do
> >This.Just read the little stories andThink of a wish as you scroll allThe
> >way to the bottom. There isA message there - then make yourWish.No>attachment on this one!StoriesI'm 13 years old, and I wishedThat my dad
> >would come home fromThe army, because he'd been havingProblems with his
> >heart and rightLeg. It was 2:53 p .m.. When I madeMy wish. At 3: 07 PM. (14
> >minutes Later), the doorbell rang, andThere my Dad was, luggage and
> >all!!I'm Katie and I'm 20 and I've beenhaving trouble in my job and on
> >theverge of quitting. I made a simplewish that my boss would get a newjob.
> >That was at 1:35 and at 2:55there was an announcement that hewas promoted
> >and was leaving foranother city. Believe me...thisreally works!!!My name is
> >Ann and I am 45 yearsof age. I had always been singleand had been hoping to
> >get into anice, loving relationship for manyyears. While kind of
> >daydreaming
> >(and right after receiving this email) I wished that a quality person
> >wouldfinally come into my life. That was at9:10 AM on a Tuesday. At 9:55
> >AMa FedEx delivery man came into myoffice. He was cute, polite andcould
> >not stop smiling at me. He started coming back almost everyday
> >(even without packages) and asked meout a week later . We married 6months
> >later and now have beenhappily married for 2 years. What a great email it
> >was!!Just scroll down to the end, butwhile you do, think of a wish.Make>your wish when you have completedscrolling. Whatever age you are, is
> >thenumber of minutes it will take for yourwish to come true. Ex. you are 25
> >yearsold, it will take 25 minutes for your wishto come true).However, if
> >you don't send this topeople in 5 minutes, you will have bad luck for
> >years!!Go for it!!!SCROLL
> >DOWN!!!!******************************************************************************************************
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> >STOP!!!Congratulations!!! Your wish willNow come true in your age >
> minutes.Now follow this carefully....itCan be very rewarding!!!!If you
> send >this to 10 morepeople, other than the 5 that youalready have to send
> to, >somethingmajor that you've been wantingwill happen. Message: This is
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From jmpz909 at gmail.com  Sat Jan  5 04:33:10 2008
From: jmpz909 at gmail.com (Keef)
Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 10:33:10 +0100
Subject: [Ibogaine] Church of Scientology on ibogaine
In-Reply-To: <272369.58871.qm@web31606.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <272369.58871.qm@web31606.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d1bfe6060801050133i10ae2f18o55bd32b7a36effa6@mail.gmail.com>

hi,

I'm from Spain and they say "Cree el ladr?n que todos son de su condici?n"
(= The thief thinks that everybody is a thief").  I respect all the
spiritual ways but Scienciology, recently accepted as "religion" in my
country, it is a very commercial, control mind, spiritual (??) way.
There's no business like faith business.

best wishes.

Keef

2007/12/30, Vector Vector <vector620022002 at yahoo.com>:
>
> There's been no change in this since it was brought up in October, did
> anyone halfway sane and coherent ever even attempt to contact them?
>
> .:vector:.
>
> http://www.detox-narconon.org/Ibogaine-effects.html
>
> Ibogaine Effects:
> Iboga or Ibogaine is being used experimentally on drug addicts in BC in
> cocaine and heroin (opiate) withdrawal. Ibogaine is a drug with effects
> which act similarly to mescaline or peyote and another psychiatric
> favorite, LSD. Ibogaine triggers mental image pictures to flood in on
> the person given the drug. People given ibogaine experience watching
> mental images projected onto screens of varying sizes. Many of these
> mental images seem foreign but mesmerizing to ibogaine subjects.
> Nausea, sickness and inability to operate motor functions, meaning they
> can't stand up or use their arms effectively, are common effects of
> ibogaine.
>
> Ibogaine is given to people wishing to withdraw from heavy cocaine and
> opiate use because ibogaine treatment is said to block many of the
> withdrawal symptoms associated with cocaine and opiates. Ibogaine is
> still being experimented with by professionals and drug users wishing
> to avoid some of the withdrawal effects of addictive drugs. Strangely,
> many of the effects of ibogaine are also common drug effects and
> withdrawal effects: nausea, confusion, delusion and hallucinations,
> feelings of disassociation.
>
> Iboga Scrambling the Mind:
> Withdrawing addicts with Ibogaine is dangerous for several reasons. The
> drug induces a state similar to what hypnotists, psychiatrists and
> brainwashers induce onto their subjects when attempting to wipe out
> past behavior patterns and creating new ones. The past or future
> behavior of an addict treated with ibogaine is not predictable.
> Brainwashing people with drugs is not therapy. Brainwashing is the use
> of drugs, pain and suggestion (hypnosis) to wipe out past behavior and
> memories. Behavior modification is attempted while the addict is
> totally vulnerable due to intoxication from ibogaine. "Therapists"
> giving someone ibogaine, can knowingly or unknowingly lay in hypnotic
> commands. Drug addiction itself can be created by a sort of hypnotic
> command to "use" again while the addict is on drugs.
>
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From bicuitboy714 at gmail.com  Sat Jan  5 08:32:55 2008
From: bicuitboy714 at gmail.com (Randy Faulconer)
Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 08:32:55 -0500
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fwd: This is Creeeeeeeeeeeeepy.........
In-Reply-To: <004001c84f50$313739e0$3201a8c0@blackfiashly>
References: <8CA1D3053A6653F-250-2298@webmail-me14.sysops.aol.com>
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Message-ID: <29d165a30801050532o6ccaa435rec8834b8f4e3ceaa@mail.gmail.com>

       I agree Matt. But I have to say that I fell for it and sent it to 5
of my friends. They might get pissed but..........well I did it. I followed
the instructions and wished to find my cell phone which had been missing for
4 days. I found it an hour and a half later. Not in the 50 minutes I should
have but.............I found it. Kind of freaky. I had looked in the car and
couldn't find it a couple of days ago. I went to get my coat out of the car
last night and there it was. Thank God. All of my important numbers were in
it. I'm gonna write all of them down today so I won't freak out if it goes
missing again.

         Damn

     Peace Love and Coincidence
         Randy

On Jan 4, 2008 11:05 PM, Matthew Shriver <matt at itsupport.net> wrote:

>  Well since no-one else said it I will.  Please don't send forwards to the
> list like this.
>
>
>
> Matt
>
>
>  ------------------------------
>
> *From:* ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com [mailto:ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com]
> *On Behalf Of *energeticvibe1 at aol.com
> *Sent:* Friday, January 04, 2008 2:32 PM
> *To:* Ibogaine at mindvox.com
> *Subject:* [Ibogaine] Fwd: This is Creeeeeeeeeeeeepy.........
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Trey NATION <treyandarayna at msn.com>
> To: algail at ihug.co.nz; suzan at vel.net; jeffcam at msn.com; rottigirl1 at msn.com;
> news at academyenergeticsciences.com; DClonick at nationalgrants.com;
> suzan-qxci at vel.net; customersupport at legalzoom.com; cynmar at juno.com;
> r_dale at sbcglobal.net; energeticvibe1 at aol.com; robert.dietlein at gmail.com;
> productinfo at ajedwards.com; djefferson_us at yahoo.com; louieyu2 at sbcglobal.net;
> ealucas1 at juno.com; esateysandbeyond at aol.com
> Sent: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 12:41 pm
> Subject: FW: This is Creeeeeeeeeeeeepy.........
>
>
> >From: Janet Van Kleek <herbpower4u at hotmail.com>
> >To: Alena Vance <vancea at cleanwaterservices.org>, Bruce >VanKleek<
> bruce at paclamp.com>, Cindy Greer <ckgreer at comcast.net>, Debbie >Stewmon<
> stewmond at cleanwaterservices.org>, Jane >Nishizaki<
> nishizakij at cleanwaterservices.org>, Jeff <bowler19 at msn.com>, >Kathy Jones<
> mkjones123 at msn.com>, Linda Taylor <taylor0777 at comcast.net>, >Wina Mapili<
> w_mapili at yahoo.com>, Susan Flathers <csflathers at earthlink.net>, >Trey
> NATION<treyandarayna at msn.com>
> >Subject: FW: This is Creeeeeeeeeeeeepy.........
> >Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 11:05:16 -0800
> >
> >
> >Janet Van Kleek
> >
> >
> >From: crystal_loomis at houstons-inc.comTo: sonia_baltazar at houstons-inc.com;
> >kayla1225 at gmail.com; taylor0777 at comcast.netCC: herbpower4u at hotmail.com; >
> krloomis at gmail.comSubject: FW: This is Creeeeeeeeeeeeepy.........Date:
> Wed, >2 Jan 2008 08:32:31 -0800
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Crystal LoomisHouston's Inc.Returns Dept. A-J9799 S.W. Freeman >
> Dr.Wilsonville, OR 97070503-582-1121 ext.420HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!
> >-----Original Message-----From: Cheryl Hartley >[
> mailto:cheryl_hartley at houstons-inc.com <cheryl_hartley at houstons-inc.com?>]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 >8:17 AMTo:
> crystal_loomis at houstons-inc.coM; 'Sarah Breshears'; 'Marie >Lotterer';
> AMY_HORN at HOUSTONS-INC.COM; >valerie_hughes at houstons-inc.comSubject: FW:
> This is >Creeeeeeeeeeeeepy.........
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Cheryl Hartley
> >Houston's Inc.
> >Accounts Receivable
> >Ph-(503)-582-1121 ext 581
> > (800)-347-8479 ext 581
> >Fx-(503)-582-2443
> >
> >-----Original Message-----From: Kathy & Steve Wiltshire >[
> mailto:swiltshire at bctonline.com <swiltshire at bctonline.com?>] Sent: Monday,
> December 31, 2007 11:17 >AMTo: Cheryl Hartley; Dad & Peg Nelson; Dan & Julie
> Pelly; Debbie Young; >Harthuns; Janelle ; Jessica Cousland;
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From bradleyheathhays at gmail.com  Sat Jan  5 08:45:38 2008
From: bradleyheathhays at gmail.com (Brad Hays)
Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 08:45:38 -0500
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fwd: This is Creeeeeeeeeeeeepy.........
In-Reply-To: <394bc6bd0801042349p330df190seceb4fbef672dfb2@mail.gmail.com>
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Brother Scott you have written down my thoughts exactly!
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From spambar at gmail.com  Sat Jan  5 15:10:29 2008
From: spambar at gmail.com (lee brandon)
Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 21:10:29 +0100
Subject: [Ibogaine] "in it for the money"
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From ericprst at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  5 22:25:31 2008
From: ericprst at yahoo.com (eric priest)
Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 19:25:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Ibogaine] Easy Listening Acid Trip
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A fun way to start the year.

"Druggy and/or exotic Pop songs reinterpreted by contemporaneous Easy Listening artists, from 1966 through 1971."

http://georgepetros.com/ez/index.php

OT of course.

       
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From doranman2 at gmail.com  Sun Jan  6 10:17:36 2008
From: doranman2 at gmail.com (Scott Doran)
Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 10:17:36 -0500
Subject: [Ibogaine] Easy Listening Acid Trip
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Very thoughtful of you. Some interpretations were rather amusing in that
seemingly any tune could seem to be made into elevator music. Pleased to
hear Chet Atkin's again. Saw him live as a child and he played Civil war
tunes of the North and South simultaneously. No Eric Clapton, but a very
talented artist .

On Jan 5, 2008 10:25 PM, eric priest <ericprst at yahoo.com> wrote:

> A fun way to start the year.
>
> "Druggy and/or exotic Pop songs reinterpreted by contemporaneous Easy
> Listening artists, from 1966 through 1971."
>
> http://georgepetros.com/ez/index.php
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From doranman2 at gmail.com  Sun Jan  6 14:51:21 2008
From: doranman2 at gmail.com (Scott Doran)
Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 14:51:21 -0500
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fwd: This is Creeeeeeeeeeeeepy.........
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Thanks Brad,
I was beginning to wonder if I have been coming off like chicken little. How
to translate distress into effective action is a lesson I need to learn.
Love to everyone.

On Jan 5, 2008 8:45 AM, Brad Hays <bradleyheathhays at gmail.com> wrote:

> Brother Scott you have written down my thoughts exactly!
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From dana at phantom.com  Sun Jan  6 15:39:57 2008
From: dana at phantom.com (Dana Beal)
Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 15:39:57 -0500
Subject: [Ibogaine] Attention Patrick, or anyone
In-Reply-To: <677146.67067.qm@web27602.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <677146.67067.qm@web27602.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5B211D6D-F47B-447B-9721-091A89A561E7@phantom.com>

On Dec 26, 2007, at 2:56 PM, simon loxton wrote:

> Just to give my opinion here I dont see the logic behind giving  
> amphetamine after ibogaine to treat amphetamine. I would me more  
> likely to agree with a line of ibo if there was a choice; but that  
> means that the problem has not been dealt with and you are still  
> not breaking the cycle of turning to a chemical for a behavioural  
> problem.

Alex Wodak was never proposing to give amphetamine after ibogaine. He  
was never proposing to give ibogaine at all, just maintenance dex- 
amphetamine. The question arises, however, of how he can double-blind  
his amphetamine study in the same manner as the clinical trials of  
heroin vs. injectable methadone WITHOUT using an active stimulant  
that produces a measurably different outcome over time. Low dose  
ibogaine tends to extinguish craving for more ibo--I am told-- 
modifying binge behavior (e.g.: alcohol, speed) without necessary  
totally eliminating use.

Alex Wodak's objection would be that ibogaine, as a totally novel  
drug, has an unknown safety profile, so he wouldn't use it as an  
active placebo for amphetamine. Remember?--

Users Choice Major session: Ibogaine

Alex Wodak

Title: The lack of evidence for Ibogaine as a treatment for heroin  
dependence


Since the tragic experience of thalidomide some decades ago, medicine  
has been based firmly on scientific evidence. All interventions are  
assumed to be ineffective, unsafe and cost-ineffective until proven  
otherwise. Harm reduction is also based firmly on scientific evidence  
while conventional drug policy relying heavily on supply control has  
a weak committment to evidence. Theoretical justifications for  
interventions are of interest but they are no substitute for rigorous  
scientific evidence of effectiveness, safety and cost-effectiveness.  
For example, oral naltrexone has been strongly advocated by critics  
of harm reduction as a treatment for heroin dependence on the basis  
of attractive theory. However, empirical studies showed that clearly  
naltrexone is ineffective, unsafe and cost-ineffective as a treatment  
for heroin dependence. Published evidence for Ibogaine as a treatment  
for heroin dependence is unimpressive. Persistent and sincere  
advocacy for ibogaine is no substitute for rigorous evidence.  
'Evidence' means several rigorous scientific trials published in  
reputable peer-reviewed scientific journals demonstrating major  
benefits consistently and in the absence of unacceptable side  
effects. Evidence of effectiveness preferably (but not necessarily)  
requires randomised controlled trials where this is possible.  
'Evidence' is not a strong theoretical rationale. Advocates for  
Ibogaine and harm reduction clinicians and scientists will be brought  
closer together when all agree that all prevention and treatment  
interventions have to be based on rigorous scientific evidence of  
effectiveness, safety and cost-effectiveness.


"All interventions are assumed to be ineffective, unsafe and cost- 
ineffective until proven otherwise." He also mentions thalidomide,  
implying that ibogaine could be tetragenic or have some other,  
comparable, unsuspected toxicity, and specifies "absence of  
unacceptable side effects."

The flaw in this stance is that ibogaine, before it was banned in  
1968, had a forty-year record, as the French drug "Lamborene," of  
medical use as a stimulant, neurasthenic and antibiotic (in doses  
involving 8 to 11 milligrams of ibo, I believe). It was not banned  
because of safety considerations or even because of hallucinogenesis,  
but because in the sports world it was a very superior doping agent  
which was extremely difficult to detect in athletes (no tremor). It  
was very popular for mountain-climbing, presumably because the after- 
effects were a lot healthier than other stimulants. In fact, Wodak  
would be more justified in fearing that his subjects would PREFER  
ibogaine to dexamphetamine than in anticipating any dangerous side- 
effects at the stimulant dose.

So the argument that ibogaine is some kind of medical terra incognita  
or tabula rasa simply flies in the face of the safety data that has  
been compiled by Dr. Jeffrey Kamlet et alia. In fact, Deborah Mash  
has already compiled new safety data for her FDA trial of ibo for  
cocaine interruption that would satisfy Wodak's demand for re- 
examination of ibogaine using 21st Century technology. But she's not  
releasing anything as long as she can't get control of the  
international patents away from Humatech for the Howard Hughes  
Foundation's University of Miami.

No, the problem if not ibogaine, but a paradigm embraced by the camp  
that strongly supports drug maintenance and takes this abstract  
approach of knocking all drug treatment without getting into  
specifics. This is what Maya Szalowitz, a longtime ibogaine critic,  
just wrote about Prometa, the three drug combination that being  
touted as a treatment for stimulant abuse:

What can also be done better is giving a sense of the history of  
these expensive, public experiments in addiction treatment. For  
example, some groups still sell a $15,000 procedure called ?rapid  
opioid detox? in which heroin or prescription opioid addicts are  
placed under anesthesia for the first hours of withdrawal. For more  
than a decade, media from Barbara Walters on 20/20 to Elle and Wired  
Magazine touted this as a way to avoid the pain of withdrawal, even  
though there was no evidence that it actually reduced the discomfort  
of withdrawal compared to other detoxes.
Science eventually caught up with rapid detox: but not until some  
dozen patients died from problems as a result of the procedure. A  
controlled trial published in the Journal of the American Medical  
Association found that rapid detox does not reduce withdrawal  
severity, or improve abstinence rates, or treatment retention; it  
also poses a significant risk of life-threatening adverse effects,  
which other detox methods do not pose.

Note once again the reliance of the example of UROD, which everyone  
on this list knows is a completely false comparison where ibogaine is  
involved (it's a kappa opiate agonist, for one thing, no a mu opiate  
blocker), but which you may not realize is even further off for a  
combination of three drugs which are a) legal, and b) at least  
individually speaking, safe enough to be approved by the FDA.

Like Wodak, though, who has been known to shout down Aussie addicts  
who tried to tell him about ibogaine, Szalowitz never actually took  
the time to talk to anyone who's done Prometa, or ask them if it  
worked or not, or even what it was like.
It's a lot easier to talk about what you already know about than to  
investigate things that are new. But we are going to bring these  
folks up to speed (no pun intended) whether they like it or not.

Dana/cnw
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From doranman2 at gmail.com  Sun Jan  6 17:06:42 2008
From: doranman2 at gmail.com (Scott Doran)
Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 17:06:42 -0500
Subject: [Ibogaine] Attention Patrick, or anyone
In-Reply-To: <5B211D6D-F47B-447B-9721-091A89A561E7@phantom.com>
References: <677146.67067.qm@web27602.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<5B211D6D-F47B-447B-9721-091A89A561E7@phantom.com>
Message-ID: <394bc6bd0801061406j416d6a11w50c8e578b1640ab8@mail.gmail.com>

Nice to have a member in this group so knowledgeable and critically
analytical. Thanks for the concise clarification Simon. Thank you Dana for
pressing for answers for more understanding.

On Jan 6, 2008 3:39 PM, Dana Beal <dana at phantom.com> wrote:

> On Dec 26, 2007, at 2:56 PM, simon loxton wrote:
>
> Just to give my opinion here I dont see the logic behind giving
> amphetamine after ibogaine to treat amphetamine. I would me more likely to
> agree with a line of ibo if there was a choice; but that means that the
> problem has not been dealt with and you are still not breaking the cycle of
> turning to a chemical for a behavioural problem.
>
>
> Alex Wodak was never proposing to give amphetamine after ibogaine. He was
> never proposing to give ibogaine at all, just maintenance dex-amphetamine.
> The question arises, however, of how he can double-blind his amphetamine
> study in the same manner as the clinical trials of heroin vs. injectable
> methadone WITHOUT using an active stimulant that produces a measurably
> different outcome over time. Low dose ibogaine tends to extinguish craving
> for more ibo--I am told--modifying binge behavior (e.g.: alcohol, speed)
> without necessary totally eliminating use.
>
> Alex Wodak's objection would be that ibogaine, as a totally novel drug,
> has an unknown safety profile, so he wouldn't use it as an active placebo
> for amphetamine. Remember?--
>
> Users Choice Major session: Ibogaine
>
>
> Alex Wodak
>
>
> Title: The lack of evidence for Ibogaine as a treatment for heroin
> dependence
>
>
>
>
> Since the tragic experience of thalidomide some decades ago, medicine has
> been based firmly on scientific evidence. All interventions are assumed to
> be ineffective, unsafe and cost-ineffective until proven otherwise. Harm
> reduction is also based firmly on scientific evidence while conventional
> drug policy relying heavily on supply control has a weak committment to
> evidence. Theoretical justifications for interventions are of interest but
> they are no substitute for rigorous scientific evidence of
> effectiveness, safety and cost-effectiveness. For example, oral naltrexone
> has been strongly advocated by critics of harm reduction as a treatment for
> heroin dependence on the basis of attractive theory. However, empirical
> studies showed that clearly naltrexone is ineffective, unsafe and
> cost-ineffective as a treatment for heroin dependence. Published evidence
> for Ibogaine as a treatment for heroin dependence is unimpressive.
> Persistent and sincere advocacy for ibogaine is no substitute for rigorous
> evidence. 'Evidence' means several rigorous scientific trials published in
> reputable peer-reviewed scientific journals demonstrating major benefits
> consistently and in the absence of unacceptable side effects. Evidence of
> effectiveness preferably (but not necessarily) requires randomised
> controlled trials where this is possible. 'Evidence' is not a strong
> theoretical rationale. Advocates for Ibogaine and harm reduction clinicians
> and scientists will be brought closer together when all agree that all
> prevention and treatment interventions have to be based on rigorous
> scientific evidence of effectiveness, safety and cost-effectiveness.
>
>
>
> "All interventions are assumed to be ineffective, unsafe and
> cost-ineffective until proven otherwise." He also mentions thalidomide,
> implying that ibogaine could be tetragenic or have some other, comparable,
> unsuspected toxicity, and specifies "absence of unacceptable side effects."
>
> The flaw in this stance is that ibogaine, before it was banned in 1968,
> had a forty-year record, as the French drug "Lamborene," of medical use as a
> stimulant, neurasthenic and antibiotic (in doses involving 8 to 11
> milligrams of ibo, I believe). It was not banned because of safety
> considerations or even because of hallucinogenesis, but because in the
> sports world it was a very superior doping agent which was extremely
> difficult to detect in athletes (no tremor). It was very popular for
> mountain-climbing, presumably because the after-effects were a lot healthier
> than other stimulants. In fact, Wodak would be more justified in fearing
> that his subjects would PREFER ibogaine to dexamphetamine than in
> anticipating any dangerous side-effects at the stimulant dose.
>
> So the argument that ibogaine is some kind of medical terra incognita or
> tabula rasa simply flies in the face of the safety data that has been
> compiled by Dr. Jeffrey Kamlet et alia. In fact, Deborah Mash has already
> compiled new safety data for her FDA trial of ibo for cocaine interruption
> that would satisfy Wodak's demand for re-examination of ibogaine using 21st
> Century technology. But she's not releasing anything as long as she can't
> get control of the international patents away from Humatech for the Howard
> Hughes Foundation's University of Miami.
>
> No, the problem if not ibogaine, but a paradigm embraced by the camp that
> strongly supports drug maintenance and takes this abstract approach of
> knocking all drug treatment without getting into specifics. This is what
> Maya Szalowitz, a longtime ibogaine critic, just wrote about Prometa, the
> three drug combination that being touted as a treatment for stimulant abuse:
>
> What can also be done better is giving a sense of the history of these
> expensive, public experiments in addiction treatment. For example, some
> groups still sell a $15,000 procedure called "rapid opioid detox" in which
> heroin or prescription opioid addicts are placed under anesthesia for the
> first hours of withdrawal. For more than a decade, media from Barbara
> Walters on 20/20 to Elle and Wired Magazine touted this as a way to avoid
> the pain of withdrawal, even though there was no evidence that it actually
> reduced the discomfort of withdrawal compared to other detoxes.
> Science eventually caught up with rapid detox: but not until some dozen
> patients died from problems as a result of the procedure. A controlled trial
> published in the Journal of the American Medical Association found that
> rapid detox does not reduce withdrawal severity, or improve abstinence
> rates, or treatment retention; it also poses a significant risk of
> life-threatening adverse effects, which other detox methods do not pose.
>
> Note once again the reliance of the example of UROD, which everyone on
> this list knows is a completely false comparison where ibogaine is involved
> (it's a kappa opiate agonist, for one thing, no a mu opiate blocker), but
> which you may not realize is even further off for a combination of three
> drugs which are a) legal, and b) at least individually speaking, safe enough
> to be approved by the FDA.
>
> Like Wodak, though, who has been known to shout down Aussie addicts who
> tried to tell him about ibogaine, Szalowitz never actually took the time to
> talk to anyone who's done Prometa, or ask them if it worked or not, or even
> what it was like.
> It's a lot easier to talk about what you already know about than to
> investigate things that are new. But we are going to bring these folks up to
> speed (no pun intended) whether they like it or not.
>
> Dana/cnw
>
>
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From shakti at photon.net  Sun Jan  6 19:38:11 2008
From: shakti at photon.net (Brenda Brewer)
Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 16:38:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Ibogaine] On a side note -
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References: <677146.67067.qm@web27602.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<5B211D6D-F47B-447B-9721-091A89A561E7@phantom.com>
	<394bc6bd0801061406j416d6a11w50c8e578b1640ab8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1658.24.4.220.128.1199666291.squirrel@mail.photon.net>

Dave Hunter just had a birthday.  His rock artwork and art on the Ibo site
is amazing.

Happy Birthday Dave!

~SSS~


From hslotsof at phantom.com  Mon Jan  7 03:17:20 2008
From: hslotsof at phantom.com (Howard Lotsof)
Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 03:17:20 -0500
Subject: [Ibogaine] GHB
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References: <677146.67067.qm@web27602.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<5B211D6D-F47B-447B-9721-091A89A561E7@phantom.com>
	<394bc6bd0801061406j416d6a11w50c8e578b1640ab8@mail.gmail.com>
	<1658.24.4.220.128.1199666291.squirrel@mail.photon.net>
Message-ID: <39762562-475B-4CF1-B714-1C74E10D15F8@phantom.com>

Is there any information on the treatment of GHB dependence with  
ibogaine?

Howarrd

From bicuitboy714 at gmail.com  Mon Jan  7 17:43:17 2008
From: bicuitboy714 at gmail.com (Randy Faulconer)
Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 17:43:17 -0500
Subject: [Ibogaine] GHB
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References: <677146.67067.qm@web27602.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<5B211D6D-F47B-447B-9721-091A89A561E7@phantom.com>
	<394bc6bd0801061406j416d6a11w50c8e578b1640ab8@mail.gmail.com>
	<1658.24.4.220.128.1199666291.squirrel@mail.photon.net>
	<39762562-475B-4CF1-B714-1C74E10D15F8@phantom.com>
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          Very good question Howard. I did a little research on the net and
found conflicting reports. Some said that GHB had a very small dependence
factor and a few said that it caused minor symptoms, while one said that it
was out right dangerous and recommended inpatient treatment. Of course the
one recommending inpatient treatment was a re-hab search thing. There IS a
d