[Ibogaine] GDNF IS the strong theoretical argument!

Dana Beal dana at phantom.com
Sat Feb 23 12:11:14 EST 2008


I just tried to send it, and it bounced. Exceeded the size of yr  
mailbox. I could send a disc, if you give me an postal address. I'd  
also like to talk to you, if you have a phone number  I can try.

Dana/cnw

On Feb 23, 2008, at 4:31 AM, Nick Sandberg wrote:

> Hi Dana,
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> Do you have your presentation in a format you can send me? I would  
> love to see it.
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> Nick
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> From: ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com [mailto:ibogaine- 
> bounces at mindvox.com] On Behalf Of Dana Beal
> Sent: 22 February 2008 21:19
> To: The Ibogaine List
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] GDNF IS the strong theoretical argument!
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> On Feb 22, 2008, at 3:29 PM, Nick Sandberg wrote:
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> Hey Dana,
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> Like I said, I haven’t heard you speak recently, so for sure you  
> could be great now. It was just that I thought that it’s better to  
> get scientists to do academic presentations. I linked Alex to both  
> those papers, by the way. I think he just prefers his safe  
> position. It seems to me to be really about something else, but I’m  
> not sure what. I think he’s scared to be involved in backing  
> something he feels might be dangerous, something like that. It’s a  
> shame as he seems a prominent character on the scene.
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> All the best to you
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> Nick
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> Now what did I say?
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> Ken Alper is not available to go anywhere outside the North East US.
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> So some one had to present in New Orleans or Barcelona. Naturally,  
> my emphasis is different than his would be. But the presentations  
> overlap. That's how I was able to cut 2/3rds of my slides and my  
> talk last weekend in D.C. It's great to go on after Ken-- focuses  
> the mind wonderfully.
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> Wish I'd been able to go on, as scheduled, immediately after Peter  
> Cohen, but he obviously decided to avoid that. And his attack on  
> ibogaine left Dimitri so flustered, he forgot his whole rap and  
> quit talking after 5 minutes, after reacting, abruptly, to Peter.  
> And anyway, my presentation in New Orleans was as much on the  
> history of the ibogaine movement as it was on the stages of  
> understanding of ibogaine mechanism.
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> The findings on GDNF didn't exist in 2004.
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> Eric, are you saying this presentation shouldn't be made? We are  
> training other people to make it, you know. If you really feel that  
> we should give INPUD and Alex a monopoly in this discussion, I  
> could see your motivation, but your motive would have nothing to do  
> with concern for the science of the thing. You are obviously one  
> those people who are uncomfortable with ibo because you want people  
> to be free to be addicts. I don't agree with NIck Sandberg 100%,  
> but I do agree with him that "freedom to be enslaved" sounds like  
> something only a slaveholder would love.
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> The fact remains: in the GDNF finding, there exists the strong  
> theoretical argument to justify ibogaine research that Wodak is  
> demanding.  The big concern right now in harm reduction circles  
> about crystal meth, and the GDNF stuff shows how ibogaine works for  
> crystal. BTW, Wodak has gotten himself scheduled  for the first  
> international conference on crystal meth in Prague. So far my  
> powerpoint has not.
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> Dana/cnw
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