[Ibogaine] any advice on issue of no REM since dosing

knowone knowwhere kn0m0n3 at yahoo.co.uk
Wed Feb 20 12:38:56 EST 2008

  Thank you for your replies about the issue.  I cannot say for certain that my issue is or isn't ibogaine related, because other factors are also in play.  Howard, you are correct that  clear data is difficult to obtain.  
    I used ibogaine to stop taking methadone in 2004, I have not been a patient of a methadone clinic since that time.  Although I have no moral quaral with staying  on methadone for life.
    I am unsure what you mean by the term baseline studies showing REM, I assume this means EEG's done prior to ibogaine that show proper REM, I do not have such studies.  This is because diagnostic tests are not ordered by my doctor if no problem is reported.  I have a PET scan schedualed soon that will hopefully fill in some information about this issue.  
    About how many doses of what drug etc...  ummm  that is a little complicated.
  It is possible that my REM problem is not ibogaine related AND it is possible that it is related.  The question is would returning to methadone help, 
  the issue is
  I have a homeostatic problem that causes tolerance to opioids.
  Thanks for the replies,
   <coss at blodgettsupply.com> wrote:
  Is it just possible that the REM problem is not IBOGAINE related. I am
always reminded of the carrot and car accident story. I have taken
Ibogaine several times and have had no sleep interruptions at all.

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Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 1:28 AM
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Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] any adivice on issue of no REM since dosings

On Feb 15, 2008, at 1:39 PM, knowone knowwhere wrote:

> I know what I write might label me as "anti-ibogaine" but let me 
> say to those people that the "file cabnet" issues are part of the 
> real scientific methode and like Mash says "the plural of antidotal 
> does not equal data".
> I am all for Ibogaine being studied. But I have had very serious 
> issues with lack of REM since my numerous dosing with Ibogaine. I 
> have had 3 four hour sleep study EEG's and 1 three day EEG and no 
> REM was shown during any of these studies. Also a continuous 
> strobe effect has been bothersome since dosing, and I now am told I 
> have seizures, which I never had before dosing with ibogaine.
> I can say some people in the so called Ibo community have been some 
> of the most kind hearted people I have come across, or at least 
> seem that way for self interest or for whatever reason.
> My question to the group is this, has anyone done any studies on 
> these issues and are their any suggestions for how to get REM 
> during Sleep again?
> I am seriouslly considering getting back on methadone just to 
> function, unless anyone has a better idea, even though it puts me 
> at risk of putting myself in the same situation (no methadone 
> prescription if arrested) as what made me try ibogaine in the first 
> place.
> Does anyone have any advice or point me to studies that address 
> these issues? Howard? Patrick? Marko? Mr. Glick? Any suggestions 
> would be appreciated from anyone.
> Thank you for your help.
> Jason

Can you give us an idea of how many doses of ibogaine and of what 
strength and for the treatment of what doses of what drugs so we can 
have some idea of what we are looking at?

Do you have any baseline studies showing REM?

How long had you been off methadone?

I doubt the studies you are seeking have been done and I doubt if 
done, they have been published. Too bad, data is always good.


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