[Ibogaine] Barcelona Ibogaine session set for International Harm Reduction Conference

simon loxton simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk
Thu Feb 7 18:19:27 EST 2008


I did not think you were saying people were wrong for using ibogaine and I agree with your opinion on it or anything for that matter, labelled as a cure. As far as what you receive from the chemist; you are in a fortunate position. It just would be great if you had more of a choice thats all. 


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From: chi malan <louchichi at hotmail.com>
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simon i didnt say their was anything wrong with people using ibo as in interupter, i just didnt think the word cure should be thrown 
around so hastily.  as for the whole consumer theory, were i live, i dont pay for suboxone, it is government provided. i give the chemist
a few dollars for their service and thats it





Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 17:12:41 +0000
From: simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk
To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Barcelona Ibogaine session set for International Harm Reduction Conference


Yes you are right; ibogaine is not the only way but it is one of the ways that needs more attention. The thing is you need to keep on taking Suboxone so you are doing exactly what the drug companies want; consumers; not necessarily "cured" people. The point I suppose is you found some thing that works for you so should it not be the same for people for which ibogaine works; should the courtesy not be extended to the extent that you can choose what works for you?  



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From: chi malan <louchichi at hotmail.com>
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Sent: Thursday, 7 February, 2008 4:14:47 PM
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if you read all of marks email he does refer to it as a cure. in the last year of being on suboxone ive halved my dose and feel no need 
to use heroin. i know its been said a million times but what works for some doesnt for others



Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 13:54:26 +0000
From: simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk
To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Barcelona Ibogaine session set for International Harm Reduction Conference


Ibogaine is not a cure nobody ever said it was! It is an addiction interrupter there is no known cure for addiction as far as the WHO is concerned. If you look a little closer at what people have said that have gone through multiple treatments; they have said that each time there was some form or an amount of change which took place even if if they cleaned up their room; which I think Dimitri quoted; but the point is that it is more of a successful tool than what we have available unless you care to enlighten us as to what is?  



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From: chi malan <louchichi at hotmail.com>
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Sent: Thursday, 7 February, 2008 3:38:28 PM
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im sorry mark but if you had to use ibogaine 10 times in 4 years, i really dont think that would help to promote 
ibogaine as a 'cure'


Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 08:48:43 -0800

As someone who has done 10 ibogaine sessions over the past 4 years with different degrees of "success" I feel like I might be just the type of case study he would refer to to bolster his claims so I just wanted to share my own experience briefly to explain why I believe that my ibogaine expereinces have been just about the furthest thing from ineffective. 
 

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