[Ibogaine] suboxone

Randy Faulconer bicuitboy714 at gmail.com
Tue Dec 30 12:51:45 EST 2008


          Seems like I memember a detox or two that you wrote about.

          Remember the prose about you being imersed in a tank of Ibogaine
gas???

         Peace Love and Melange
                Randy

On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 12:19 PM, tink <tinkerbell.sarah at gmail.com> wrote:

> I've been on both methadone and suboxone, and had a horrible time
> coming off of both. I have to say that the switch from methadone to
> suboxone was probably one of the most intensely bad experiences I've
> ever had.  I was on 140 mgs of methadone for years, and switched to 36
> mgs of suboxone, which I was on for a little over a year.  I used
> ibogaine to end the suboxone, weening myself down and switching over
> to short acting opiates(oxicontin), which was also not a particularly
> pleasant experience. As a person with a lot of back pain issues, the
> suboxone was not the right medication for me, as it blocks pain
> killers and provides little or no relief.  The methadone helped in
> that area, but both substances are pure evil.  This is only my
> experience, though, and I do have some friends that suboxone works for
> rather well, and in more ways than one.  One friend says that it has
> anti-depressant qualities that keep her level, motivated and able to
> function on a level that methadone never allowed.  Another says that
> the opiate block has made a huge difference in keeping him clean,
> knowing that nothing will get him high.  The other side of that is in
> Vermont, they've had a series of overdoses where the person continues
> doing whatever opiate, never getting high, yet overdosing.
> I'll add this: while both methadone and suboxone did do their
> respective jobs by helping me get away from hardcore heroin addiction,
> I found that the downside of both were too much for me, and am much
> happier being on absolutely nothing.  Again, that's just me.  I know
> that it does work for some, and I wouldn't discount anything that
> might help make the transition to complete abstinence, which is what I
> finally found is the only thing that actually works for me.  Then
> again, that's only if abstinence is ultimately your goal. Used as
> temporary tools, they helped me tremendously.  However, I wouldn't go
> back to either one.
> If you have any questions that you feel I might be able to answer,
> please feel free to ask.
> Hope this helped
> tink
>
> On 12/30/08, simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > Mike;
> >
> > The only way I would think of dealing with the situation would be to
> switch
> > to a more common opiate which would be easier to get off. ??? Other than
> > that you are looking at a hard road. Doctors huh? If they are not gving
> you
> > too little they are giving you the wrong damn drug :)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: michael langshaw <mlangshaw67 at yahoo.com>
> > To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, 30 December, 2008 6:57:45
> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] suboxone
> >
> >
> > I'm just so angry with this shrink. The only question he asked me
> regarding
> > my opiate history was how much I was currently using. For the first time
> in
> > my life I answered him honestly. At the time of the question I was using
> > between 1-2 grams daily. I had just got to this point and had only been
> > using this much for the past 4 days or so. Mind you that I haven't been
> > strung out since 4/04 on methadone. A 90 day jail stint got me off of
> that
> > and I never looked back...at least not to opiates. Just recently I was
> > combating some depression
> > and decided to take a vike here a perk there and before you know it the
> > story is told, which actually surprised me because I have use opiates for
> > legit reasons in the past and never graduated back to shooting dope. Now
> > this quack not knowing anything about me or my past pumps me up to 24 mgs
> of
> > suboxone right off the rip. I have no one else to blame but
> myself.(Though
> > he should have told me) If I had researched this drug the way I do
> > everything else I would not be in this situation. I had know idea this
> quack
> > was setting me up for maintenance. Being as naive as i was I thought I
> was
> > going in there for a 1-2 week out patient detox. After googeling suboxone
> > withdrawal, which I should have done in the first place I find out that
> this
> > shit is no joke and that I'm temporarily FUCKED. So this is why I ask for
> > any advise, suggestions, or personal experiences. Thanks and I hope
> everyone
> > has wonderful, clean, joyous, happy, and free New Year.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > --- On Mon, 12/29/08, junkboy <junkboy64 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > From: junkboy <junkboy64 at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] suboxone
> > To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> > Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 1:32 PM
> >
> >
> > in my opinion sub is super hard to get off of... its right up there with
> > methadone..... nasty.... i think its a horrible drug, but thats my
> > opinion... ive had other peopel tell me it helped them... so i couldnt
> > rightly say..
> > lee
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 5:32 AM, michael langshaw <mlangshaw67 at yahoo.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > Simon,
> > I just dont know anything about subjoin and I was hoping on some input on
> > some peoples personal use with it and how hard it was to get off of it
> > successfully without the use of ibogain. Maybe how severe the w/d
> symptoms
> > were and how long they lasted.. That's the kind of impute I'm looking for
> > so, any will be appreciated.
> > Thanks, Mike
> >
> > --- On Sat, 12/27/08, simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] suboxone
> > To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> > Date: Saturday, December 27, 2008, 11:08 AM
> >
> >
> >
> > Feedback on what Mike?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >  From: michael langshaw <mlangshaw67 at yahoo.com>
> > To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> > Sent: Friday, 26 December, 2008 20:45:39
> > Subject: [Ibogaine] suboxone
> >
> >
> > After over 4 years of being off of heroin, I ended back on it for a short
> > time. (45 days). Because of limited options I am now taking 24mgs of
> > suboxone a day. Though I believe that I know more than the average bear
> > about opiates, suboxone is one particular drug I am completely unfamiliar
> > with. I'm sure that many from the list have used this avenue and I'm open
> to
> > any and all feedback. Thanks!!!
> > Mike
> >
> >
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