From freedomroot at gmail.com Tue Apr 1 11:36:40 2008 From: freedomroot at gmail.com (Eye of the Bhogi) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 11:36:40 -0400 Subject: [Ibogaine] mp3 of New Orleans ibogaine session and medical subculture web page In-Reply-To: <193091.47634.qm@web28610.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <193091.47634.qm@web28610.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Simon. I don't meant that the slogans are LITERALLY true. But that, in the first one, it's like a little crutch to lean on. I married a recovering drug addict seven yers ago, and didn't understand or recognize how secretive his way of life had become. Or perceive how it might alter my way of dealing honestly and with integrity with the "consenus reality." Sometimes when I would try to bring some air into the situation, he would scream at me "Go ahead tell your mother, tell whoever you want to." But now that I have, he is yelling at me about that too. I guess I was trying to protect him, and ended up hurting the fundamental level of respect needed to stay in a marriage. Then, when he decided he wanted to do ibogaine and unchain himself from dependence on the methadone clinic, again he insisted we not tell his mother. But as a result of that, he effectively cut himself off from the financial resources that might have helped him get better aftercare than me sitting in the bathroom with him, holding his hand for hours and hours of soaking through that month or two of POST ACUTE WITHDRAWAL SYMPTOMS (PAWS). When he needed to do Ibogaine again, he again did it on his own terms. And, messed up me, I enabled him. Although it was a major stress on my own work and relationships, I let him move into my townhouse, I let him go off and spend what limited money we had on "vacation" rather than active healing support. And lo and behold, he started doing other psychedelics, or something, and things have just gotten worse and worse, not better. Now I'm back in our home apartment, trying to paint over the bloodstains from the last run, and getting yelled at on the other end of the phone. People from the Underground ask me what he's doing, and this is how clueless I am. I've never done dope. I've never done coke. I'm on that side of those lines. I just keep sipping my red wine, and trying to hold it together. Red wine is not the best mental glue, as it turns out. Am I being manipulated? Am I being manipulative myself?? From phillipfiuty at hotmail.com Tue Apr 1 11:44:18 2008 From: phillipfiuty at hotmail.com (Phillip Fiuty) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 10:44:18 -0500 Subject: [Ibogaine] I'm not going to stand by and watch citizens die Message-ID: 'I'm not going to stand by and watch citizens die and our disease > rates go up because we have a bunch of dinosaurs for a prime minister > and a government,' Oh, Canada! PF > > Newshawk: CMAP http://www.mapinc.org/cmap > Pubdate: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 > Source: National Post (Canada) > Webpage: http://www.nationalpost.com/todays_paper/story.html?id=411240 > Copyright: 2008 Southam Inc. > Contact: letters at nationalpost.com > Website: http://www.nationalpost.com/ > Details: http://www.mapinc.org/media/286 > Author: Allison Hanes, with files from Kelly Grant > Cited: Vancouver Coastal Health Insite http://www.vch.ca/sis/ > Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/hr.htm (Harm Reduction) > Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/find?137 (Needle Exchange) > Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/topic/Insite (Insite) > Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/topic/Downtown+Eastside > Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/find?142 (Supervised Injection Sites) > Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/find?199 (Mandatory Minimum Sentencing) > > NEEDLES AND THE DAMAGE DONE > > As the Conservatives Pursue a Drug Policy Eschewing Harm Reduction, > Provinces Are Moving the Other Way > > Long before Edmonton got its first needle-exchange program in the > 1980s, a group called the Non-Beverage Alcohol Coalition lobbied for > inner-city liquor stores to open longer hours and against merchants > who knowingly sold cans of Listerine and Chinese cooking oil for the > purpose of intoxication. > > The idea behind their efforts was part of a movement dubbed harm > reduction that has been part of the fight against addiction and > substance abuse for decades, spawning such controversial phenomena as > free crack paraphernalia in Ottawa, wine for the homeless in Toronto > and, most notably, supervised drug-injection sites in Vancouver's > notorious Downtown Eastside. > > 'We had store owners in the city of Edmonton who were selling Lysol > to aboriginal people with a nail so they could puncture the can and > get the alcohol and making a lot of money doing it,' recalled Hope > Hunter, the executive director of the Boyle Street Community Health > Services, which for 37 years has operated programs for sex trade > workers and drug addicts in a low-income swath of the Alberta > capital. 'A harm-reduction approach says, 'I'm not trying to stop you > from drinking. I'm trying to make sure what you're drinking is safe.' ' > > This philosophy has become the orthodoxy among front-line outreach > workers who say it saves lives and prevents the spread of disease, > but is decried by critics, including a drug-enforcement agency > connected to the United Nations, as enabling addicts to continue > their dangerous lifestyles in violation of the law. > > Harm reduction plays no part in the Conservative government's new > $64-million National Anti-Drug Strategy, which sets aside money for > prevention campaigns, law enforcement and treatment, and would > institute mandatory minimum sentences for traffickers, producers and > dealers who sell to young people. > > But even as the federal government pursues a get-tough approach, some > of Canada's biggest cities and many provinces are moving to the > opposite extreme. > > This week in Toronto, Mayor David Miller gave the opening address at > a conference of social-service agencies, community groups and even > some addicts, where the consensus was that prohibiting drugs makes > the trade more lucrative, stiffer sentences punish the sick and the > best way to reduce crime around substance abuse is to give junkies a > safe place to smoke and shoot up. > > 'We know from research around the world that harm-reduction programs > work,' Mr. Miller said at the event in council chambers. > > The City of Toronto offers three harm-reduction programs. Since 1989 > it has distributed clean needles to intravenous-drug users and since > 2006, it has handed out 'safer crack kits' to crack-cocaine smokers > -- which include glass stems, mouthpieces and metal screens to keep > users from burning or cutting their lips. Wine is also provided to > the homeless at Seaton House, a city-run men's shelter. > > Such programs continue to run despite the federal government's > opposition, funded by various other levels of government where they > find sympathy. > > The City of Ottawa began distributing 'safer inhalation kits' for > crack users in 2005, but when council revoked its support last year, > the province rescued the program, which continues through the > Centretown Community Health Centre. > > If there is a showdown looming between those who view harm reduction > as non-judgmental realism and those who see it as condoning crime, it > is likely to be over Insite, the supervised injection site in > Vancouver's Downtown Eastside. > > Run by the Vancouver Coastal Health Authority as a pilot project > since 2003, the program is funded by the city and the province, but > the federal government holds the licence. > > Insite has more than 7,000 registered users and an average of 600 > individuals a day stop in to get high -- 12% on morphine, 27% on > cocaine and a staggering 40% on heroine -- under the watchful eye of > public health nurses. As of 2006, there were 453 overdoses but no > fatalities and more than 4,000 junkies were referred for counselling. > > The UN's International Narcotics Control Board disapproves of Insite > for violating anti-drug conventions. A leaked report in 2006 from the > RCMP's Drugs and Organized Crime Awareness program criticized the > project for encouraging injection-drug use. The Conservative > government threatened to pull Insite's licence and, after a battle > last year, it extended the permit, but only until June. > > Supporters, such as Senator Larry Campbell, a former Vancouver mayor, > have personally vowed to keep Insite open if the federal government > tries to shut it down -- 'even if they arrest me,' he said in a phone > interview this week. > > 'I'm not going to stand by and watch citizens die and our disease > rates go up because we have a bunch of dinosaurs for a prime minister > and a government,' he said. > > Despite the support of front-line experts, residents in most > communities remain unconvinced of the merits of programs that provide > addicts with the tools and space to feed their high-risk habits. > > The distribution of crack-pipe supplies had to be suspended in > Nanaimo, B.C., recently after a public outcry to allow for proper > consultation with the local community, including the mayor and city council. > > A needle exchange in Victoria will have to go mobile after complaints > that a brand new downtown facility where it was to be housed with > other programs was too close to a private school. > > Richard Stanwick, the chief medical officer for the Vancouver Island > Health Authority, said that harm-reduction strategies don't just > protect the drug-users from HIV, Hepatitis C and abscesses, they also > prevent the outbreak of diseases that can spread to the rest of the > population, like tuberculosis and drug-resistant bacteria, as well as > reduce costly hospital stays for infected heart valves and > complications that come from contaminated or makeshift supplies. > > 'The real art of public health now,' he said, 'is going to be finding > ways to ensure that these programs are implemented in a fashion that > benefit the population we're targeting but at the same time addresses > the concerns of the broad population about where and how these > programs are going to be delivered.' > > At the Toronto symposium, Anna Costa said she wants to be > compassionate, but she witnesses drug deals from her balcony in a > neighbourhood east of downtown and has repeatedly had to eject people > who use her store bathroom to smoke rock. > > 'I'm 30 years old. Education and harm prevention has existed since I > was born and it doesn't feel like anything more than lip service,' > said the frustrated business owner. 'I hear about problem after > problem. One thing I didn't hear here are solutions.' > > > > +================================================================+ > This message was sent to phillipfiuty at hotmail.com. > To remove yourself from this email list, send email to > harmred-unsubscribe at list1.ga3.org > or visit your personal subscription management page at: > http://ga0.org/drcnet/smp.tcl?s=++kd8wg6r4mxdij8. > This email is Powered by Convio, Inc. http://www.convio.com > +================================================================+ _________________________________________________________________ More immediate than e-mail? Get instant access with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_instantaccess_042008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080401/af971129/attachment.htm From simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk Tue Apr 1 12:38:10 2008 From: simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk (simon loxton) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 16:38:10 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Ibogaine] mp3 of New Orleans ibogaine session and medical subculture web page Message-ID: <502904.37185.qm@web28616.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> It is very difficult to understand an addict especially if you have been lied to an manipulated; it takes a long time to get over those hurts. As far as telling the truth and secrets go the way I see it is as such: If some one asks me a direct question I am not going to lie but I am not going to go an tell people things that could end up hurting them or my self. Especially with 12 steppers there is this thing about making amends and so forth but for instance just because I cashed a fraudulent cheque I am not going to go to the bank and have my self arrested. Also with 12 steps there are a lot of cliches or slogans that people end up living their lives by and can some times be taken too far. A friend of mine felt compelled to tell people that he was an addict and I said to him that this could be counterproductive and people could form negative opinions, which is why I say be honest but also keep a check on information that is not required or could be damaging. Take care and one day at a time is one of the best ones as far as catch phrases. ----- Original Message ---- From: Eye of the Bhogi To: The Ibogaine List Sent: Tuesday, 1 April, 2008 5:36:40 PM Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] mp3 of New Orleans ibogaine session and medical subculture web page Thanks, Simon. I don't meant that the slogans are LITERALLY true. But that, in the first one, it's like a little crutch to lean on. I married a recovering drug addict seven yers ago, and didn't understand or recognize how secretive his way of life had become. Or perceive how it might alter my way of dealing honestly and with integrity with the "consenus reality." Sometimes when I would try to bring some air into the situation, he would scream at me "Go ahead tell your mother, tell whoever you want to." But now that I have, he is yelling at me about that too. I guess I was trying to protect him, and ended up hurting the fundamental level of respect needed to stay in a marriage. Then, when he decided he wanted to do ibogaine and unchain himself from dependence on the methadone clinic, again he insisted we not tell his mother. But as a result of that, he effectively cut himself off from the financial resources that might have helped him get better aftercare than me sitting in the bathroom with him, holding his hand for hours and hours of soaking through that month or two of POST ACUTE WITHDRAWAL SYMPTOMS (PAWS). When he needed to do Ibogaine again, he again did it on his own terms. And, messed up me, I enabled him. Although it was a major stress on my own work and relationships, I let him move into my townhouse, I let him go off and spend what limited money we had on "vacation" rather than active healing support. And lo and behold, he started doing other psychedelics, or something, and things have just gotten worse and worse, not better. Now I'm back in our home apartment, trying to paint over the bloodstains from the last run, and getting yelled at on the other end of the phone. People from the Underground ask me what he's doing, and this is how clueless I am. I've never done dope. I've never done coke. I'm on that side of those lines. I just keep sipping my red wine, and trying to hold it together. Red wine is not the best mental glue, as it turns out. Am I being manipulated? Am I being manipulative myself?? -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- __________________________________________________________ Sent from Yahoo! Mail. A Smarter Inbox http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080401/fe2f3d7f/attachment-0001.htm From mattzielinski at hotmail.com Tue Apr 1 12:56:32 2008 From: mattzielinski at hotmail.com (Matthew Zielinski) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 12:56:32 -0400 Subject: [Ibogaine] I'm not going to stand by and watch citizens die In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Vancouver is a crazy city!! The east side looks like a fucken war zone with palid manequins stagering around chasing their next fix. Im glad Im done with that shit!! Healthy Regards Matt From: phillipfiuty at hotmail.comTo: ibogaine at mindvox.comDate: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 10:44:18 -0500Subject: [Ibogaine] I'm not going to stand by and watch citizens die 'I'm not going to stand by and watch citizens die and our disease > rates go up because we have a bunch of dinosaurs for a prime minister > and a government,' Oh, Canada!PF> > Newshawk: CMAP http://www.mapinc.org/cmap> Pubdate: Mon, 31 Mar 2008> Source: National Post (Canada)> Webpage: http://www.nationalpost.com/todays_paper/story.html?id=411240> Copyright: 2008 Southam Inc.> Contact: letters at nationalpost.com> Website: http://www.nationalpost.com/> Details: http://www.mapinc.org/media/286> Author: Allison Hanes, with files from Kelly Grant> Cited: Vancouver Coastal Health Insite http://www.vch.ca/sis/> Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/hr.htm (Harm Reduction)> Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/find?137 (Needle Exchange)> Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/topic/Insite (Insite)> Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/topic/Downtown+Eastside> Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/find?142 (Supervised Injection Sites)> Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/find?199 (Mandatory Minimum Sentencing)> > NEEDLES AND THE DAMAGE DONE> > As the Conservatives Pursue a Drug Policy Eschewing Harm Reduction, > Provinces Are Moving the Other Way> > Long before Edmonton got its first needle-exchange program in the > 1980s, a group called the Non-Beverage Alcohol Coalition lobbied for > inner-city liquor stores to open longer hours and against merchants > who knowingly sold cans of Listerine and Chinese cooking oil for the > purpose of intoxication.> > The idea behind their efforts was part of a movement dubbed harm > reduction that has been part of the fight against addiction and > substance abuse for decades, spawning such controversial phenomena as > free crack paraphernalia in Ottawa, wine for the homeless in Toronto > and, most notably, supervised drug-injection sites in Vancouver's > notorious Downtown Eastside.> > 'We had store owners in the city of Edmonton who were selling Lysol > to aboriginal people with a nail so they could puncture the can and > get the alcohol and making a lot of money doing it,' recalled Hope > Hunter, the executive director of the Boyle Street Community Health > Services, which for 37 years has operated programs for sex trade > workers and drug addicts in a low-income swath of the Alberta > capital. 'A harm-reduction approach says, 'I'm not trying to stop you > from drinking. I'm trying to make sure what you're drinking is safe.' '> > This philosophy has become the orthodoxy among front-line outreach > workers who say it saves lives and prevents the spread of disease, > but is decried by critics, including a drug-enforcement agency > connected to the United Nations, as enabling addicts to continue > their dangerous lifestyles in violation of the law.> > Harm reduction plays no part in the Conservative government's new > $64-million National Anti-Drug Strategy, which sets aside money for > prevention campaigns, law enforcement and treatment, and would > institute mandatory minimum sentences for traffickers, producers and > dealers who sell to young people.> > But even as the federal government pursues a get-tough approach, some > of Canada's biggest cities and many provinces are moving to the > opposite extreme.> > This week in Toronto, Mayor David Miller gave the opening address at > a conference of social-service agencies, community groups and even > some addicts, where the consensus was that prohibiting drugs makes > the trade more lucrative, stiffer sentences punish the sick and the > best way to reduce crime around substance abuse is to give junkies a > safe place to smoke and shoot up.> > 'We know from research around the world that harm-reduction programs > work,' Mr. Miller said at the event in council chambers.> > The City of Toronto offers three harm-reduction programs. Since 1989 > it has distributed clean needles to intravenous-drug users and since > 2006, it has handed out 'safer crack kits' to crack-cocaine smokers > -- which include glass stems, mouthpieces and metal screens to keep > users from burning or cutting their lips. Wine is also provided to > the homeless at Seaton House, a city-run men's shelter.> > Such programs continue to run despite the federal government's > opposition, funded by various other levels of government where they > find sympathy.> > The City of Ottawa began distributing 'safer inhalation kits' for > crack users in 2005, but when council revoked its support last year, > the province rescued the program, which continues through the > Centretown Community Health Centre.> > If there is a showdown looming between those who view harm reduction > as non-judgmental realism and those who see it as condoning crime, it > is likely to be over Insite, the supervised injection site in > Vancouver's Downtown Eastside.> > Run by the Vancouver Coastal Health Authority as a pilot project > since 2003, the program is funded by the city and the province, but > the federal government holds the licence.> > Insite has more than 7,000 registered users and an average of 600 > individuals a day stop in to get high -- 12% on morphine, 27% on > cocaine and a staggering 40% on heroine -- under the watchful eye of > public health nurses. As of 2006, there were 453 overdoses but no > fatalities and more than 4,000 junkies were referred for counselling.> > The UN's International Narcotics Control Board disapproves of Insite > for violating anti-drug conventions. A leaked report in 2006 from the > RCMP's Drugs and Organized Crime Awareness program criticized the > project for encouraging injection-drug use. The Conservative > government threatened to pull Insite's licence and, after a battle > last year, it extended the permit, but only until June.> > Supporters, such as Senator Larry Campbell, a former Vancouver mayor, > have personally vowed to keep Insite open if the federal government > tries to shut it down -- 'even if they arrest me,' he said in a phone > interview this week.> > 'I'm not going to stand by and watch citizens die and our disease > rates go up because we have a bunch of dinosaurs for a prime minister > and a government,' he said.> > Despite the support of front-line experts, residents in most > communities remain unconvinced of the merits of programs that provide > addicts with the tools and space to feed their high-risk habits.> > The distribution of crack-pipe supplies had to be suspended in > Nanaimo, B.C., recently after a public outcry to allow for proper > consultation with the local community, including the mayor and city council.> > A needle exchange in Victoria will have to go mobile after complaints > that a brand new downtown facility where it was to be housed with > other programs was too close to a private school.> > Richard Stanwick, the chief medical officer for the Vancouver Island > Health Authority, said that harm-reduction strategies don't just > protect the drug-users from HIV, Hepatitis C and abscesses, they also > prevent the outbreak of diseases that can spread to the rest of the > population, like tuberculosis and drug-resistant bacteria, as well as > reduce costly hospital stays for infected heart valves and > complications that come from contaminated or makeshift supplies.> > 'The real art of public health now,' he said, 'is going to be finding > ways to ensure that these programs are implemented in a fashion that > benefit the population we're targeting but at the same time addresses > the concerns of the broad population about where and how these > programs are going to be delivered.'> > At the Toronto symposium, Anna Costa said she wants to be > compassionate, but she witnesses drug deals from her balcony in a > neighbourhood east of downtown and has repeatedly had to eject people > who use her store bathroom to smoke rock.> > 'I'm 30 years old. Education and harm prevention has existed since I > was born and it doesn't feel like anything more than lip service,' > said the frustrated business owner. 'I hear about problem after > problem. One thing I didn't hear here are solutions.'> > > > +================================================================+> This message was sent to phillipfiuty at hotmail.com. > To remove yourself from this email list, send email to> harmred-unsubscribe at list1.ga3.org > or visit your personal subscription management page at: > http://ga0.org/drcnet/smp.tcl?s=++kd8wg6r4mxdij8.> This email is Powered by Convio, Inc. http://www.convio.com> +================================================================+ More immediate than e-mail? Get instant access with Windows Live Messenger. _________________________________________________________________ Enter today for your chance to win $1000 a day?today until May 12th. Learn more at SignInAndWIN.ca http://g.msn.ca/ca55/215 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080401/2f9dd4a7/attachment.htm From phillipfiuty at hotmail.com Tue Apr 1 13:38:39 2008 From: phillipfiuty at hotmail.com (Phillip Fiuty) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 12:38:39 -0500 Subject: [Ibogaine] I'm not going to stand by and watch citizens die In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I say to hell with the US... I mean the UN when it comes to this shit. The capitalists are OK with selling hair spray and nails to the aborigines, but not with saving their eyes and lives (anyone out there ever peeled a passed out mouthwash drinker off the frozen pavement?). This is definitely race over economics... the true color of money. I think instead of these freaks getting their pay via direct deposit, they should have to eat their damn money for breakfast, lunch and dinner. And if they're thirsty, they can drink Iraqi crude oil. Then we can have the luxury of sitting around and watching them die for twenty or so years, then we'll have a conference to ponder harm reduction strategies for rich A-holes. PF From: mattzielinski at hotmail.com To: ibogaine at mindvox.com Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 12:56:32 -0400 Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I'm not going to stand by and watch citizens die Vancouver is a crazy city!! The east side looks like a fucken war zone with palid manequins stagering around chasing their next fix. Im glad Im done with that shit!! Healthy Regards Matt From: phillipfiuty at hotmail.com To: ibogaine at mindvox.com Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 10:44:18 -0500 Subject: [Ibogaine] I'm not going to stand by and watch citizens die 'I'm not going to stand by and watch citizens die and our disease > rates go up because we have a bunch of dinosaurs for a prime minister > and a government,' Oh, Canada! PF > > Newshawk: CMAP http://www.mapinc.org/cmap > Pubdate: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 > Source: National Post (Canada) > Webpage: http://www.nationalpost.com/todays_paper/story.html?id=411240 > Copyright: 2008 Southam Inc. > Contact: letters at nationalpost.com > Website: http://www.nationalpost.com/ > Details: http://www.mapinc.org/media/286 > Author: Allison Hanes, with files from Kelly Grant > Cited: Vancouver Coastal Health Insite http://www.vch.ca/sis/ > Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/hr.htm (Harm Reduction) > Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/find?137 (Needle Exchange) > Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/topic/Insite (Insite) > Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/topic/Downtown+Eastside > Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/find?142 (Supervised Injection Sites) > Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/find?199 (Mandatory Minimum Sentencing) > > NEEDLES AND THE DAMAGE DONE > > As the Conservatives Pursue a Drug Policy Eschewing Harm Reduction, > Provinces Are Moving the Other Way > > Long before Edmonton got its first needle-exchange program in the > 1980s, a group called the Non-Beverage Alcohol Coalition lobbied for > inner-city liquor stores to open longer hours and against merchants > who knowingly sold cans of Listerine and Chinese cooking oil for the > purpose of intoxication. > > The idea behind their efforts was part of a movement dubbed harm > reduction that has been part of the fight against addiction and > substance abuse for decades, spawning such controversial phenomena as > free crack paraphernalia in Ottawa, wine for the homeless in Toronto > and, most notably, supervised drug-injection sites in Vancouver's > notorious Downtown Eastside. > > 'We had store owners in the city of Edmonton who were selling Lysol > to aboriginal people with a nail so they could puncture the can and > get the alcohol and making a lot of money doing it,' recalled Hope > Hunter, the executive director of the Boyle Street Community Health > Services, which for 37 years has operated programs for sex trade > workers and drug addicts in a low-income swath of the Alberta > capital. 'A harm-reduction approach says, 'I'm not trying to stop you > from drinking. I'm trying to make sure what you're drinking is safe.' ' > > This philosophy has become the orthodoxy among front-line outreach > workers who say it saves lives and prevents the spread of disease, > but is decried by critics, including a drug-enforcement agency > connected to the United Nations, as enabling addicts to continue > their dangerous lifestyles in violation of the law. > > Harm reduction plays no part in the Conservative government's new > $64-million National Anti-Drug Strategy, which sets aside money for > prevention campaigns, law enforcement and treatment, and would > institute mandatory minimum sentences for traffickers, producers and > dealers who sell to young people. > > But even as the federal government pursues a get-tough approach, some > of Canada's biggest cities and many provinces are moving to the > opposite extreme. > > This week in Toronto, Mayor David Miller gave the opening address at > a conference of social-service agencies, community groups and even > some addicts, where the consensus was that prohibiting drugs makes > the trade more lucrative, stiffer sentences punish the sick and the > best way to reduce crime around substance abuse is to give junkies a > safe place to smoke and shoot up. > > 'We know from research around the world that harm-reduction programs > work,' Mr. Miller said at the event in council chambers. > > The City of Toronto offers three harm-reduction programs. Since 1989 > it has distributed clean needles to intravenous-drug users and since > 2006, it has handed out 'safer crack kits' to crack-cocaine smokers > -- which include glass stems, mouthpieces and metal screens to keep > users from burning or cutting their lips. Wine is also provided to > the homeless at Seaton House, a city-run men's shelter. > > Such programs continue to run despite the federal government's > opposition, funded by various other levels of government where they > find sympathy. > > The City of Ottawa began distributing 'safer inhalation kits' for > crack users in 2005, but when council revoked its support last year, > the province rescued the program, which continues through the > Centretown Community Health Centre. > > If there is a showdown looming between those who view harm reduction > as non-judgmental realism and those who see it as condoning crime, it > is likely to be over Insite, the supervised injection site in > Vancouver's Downtown Eastside. > > Run by the Vancouver Coastal Health Authority as a pilot project > since 2003, the program is funded by the city and the province, but > the federal government holds the licence. > > Insite has more than 7,000 registered users and an average of 600 > individuals a day stop in to get high -- 12% on morphine, 27% on > cocaine and a staggering 40% on heroine -- under the watchful eye of > public health nurses. As of 2006, there were 453 overdoses but no > fatalities and more than 4,000 junkies were referred for counselling. > > The UN's International Narcotics Control Board disapproves of Insite > for violating anti-drug conventions. A leaked report in 2006 from the > RCMP's Drugs and Organized Crime Awareness program criticized the > project for encouraging injection-drug use. The Conservative > government threatened to pull Insite's licence and, after a battle > last year, it extended the permit, but only until June. > > Supporters, such as Senator Larry Campbell, a former Vancouver mayor, > have personally vowed to keep Insite open if the federal government > tries to shut it down -- 'even if they arrest me,' he said in a phone > interview this week. > > 'I'm not going to stand by and watch citizens die and our disease > rates go up because we have a bunch of dinosaurs for a prime minister > and a government,' he said. > > Despite the support of front-line experts, residents in most > communities remain unconvinced of the merits of programs that provide > addicts with the tools and space to feed their high-risk habits. > > The distribution of crack-pipe supplies had to be suspended in > Nanaimo, B.C., recently after a public outcry to allow for proper > consultation with the local community, including the mayor and city council. > > A needle exchange in Victoria will have to go mobile after complaints > that a brand new downtown facility where it was to be housed with > other programs was too close to a private school. > > Richard Stanwick, the chief medical officer for the Vancouver Island > Health Authority, said that harm-reduction strategies don't just > protect the drug-users from HIV, Hepatitis C and abscesses, they also > prevent the outbreak of diseases that can spread to the rest of the > population, like tuberculosis and drug-resistant bacteria, as well as > reduce costly hospital stays for infected heart valves and > complications that come from contaminated or makeshift supplies. > > 'The real art of public health now,' he said, 'is going to be finding > ways to ensure that these programs are implemented in a fashion that > benefit the population we're targeting but at the same time addresses > the concerns of the broad population about where and how these > programs are going to be delivered.' > > At the Toronto symposium, Anna Costa said she wants to be > compassionate, but she witnesses drug deals from her balcony in a > neighbourhood east of downtown and has repeatedly had to eject people > who use her store bathroom to smoke rock. > > 'I'm 30 years old. Education and harm prevention has existed since I > was born and it doesn't feel like anything more than lip service,' > said the frustrated business owner. 'I hear about problem after > problem. One thing I didn't hear here are solutions.' > > > > +================================================================+ > This message was sent to phillipfiuty at hotmail.com. > To remove yourself from this email list, send email to > harmred-unsubscribe at list1.ga3.org > or visit your personal subscription management page at: > http://ga0.org/drcnet/smp.tcl?s=++kd8wg6r4mxdij8. > This email is Powered by Convio, Inc. http://www.convio.com > +================================================================+ More immediate than e-mail? Get instant access with Windows Live Messenger. Sign in to Windows Live Messenger, and enter for your chance to win $1000 a day?today until May 12th. 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URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080401/dc885192/attachment-0001.htm From mattzielinski at hotmail.com Tue Apr 1 13:47:55 2008 From: mattzielinski at hotmail.com (Matthew Zielinski) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 13:47:55 -0400 Subject: [Ibogaine] mp3 of New Orleans ibogaine session and medical subculture web page In-Reply-To: <502904.37185.qm@web28616.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <502904.37185.qm@web28616.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Keep your sprit up! :-] Matt Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 16:38:10 +0000From: simonloxton at yahoo.co.ukTo: ibogaine at mindvox.comSubject: Re: [Ibogaine] mp3 of New Orleans ibogaine session and medical subculture web page It is very difficult to understand an addict especially if you have been lied to an manipulated; it takes a long time to get over those hurts. As far as telling the truth and secrets go the way I see it is as such: If some one asks me a direct question I am not going to lie but I am not going to go an tell people things that could end up hurting them or my self. Especially with 12 steppers there is this thing about making amends and so forth but for instance just because I cashed a fraudulent cheque I am not going to go to the bank and have my self arrested. Also with 12 steps there are a lot of cliches or slogans that people end up living their lives by and can some times be taken too far. A friend of mine felt compelled to tell people that he was an addict and I said to him that this could be counterproductive and people could form negative opinions, which is why I say be honest but also keep a check on information that is not required or could be damaging. Take care and one day at a time is one of the best ones as far as catch phrases. ----- Original Message ----From: Eye of the Bhogi To: The Ibogaine List Sent: Tuesday, 1 April, 2008 5:36:40 PMSubject: Re: [Ibogaine] mp3 of New Orleans ibogaine session and medical subculture web pageThanks, Simon.I don't meant that the slogans are LITERALLY true. But that, in thefirst one, it's like a little crutch to lean on.I married a recovering drug addict seven yers ago, and didn'tunderstand or recognize how secretive his way of life had become. Orperceive how it might alter my way of dealing honestly and withintegrity with the "consenus reality."Sometimes when I would try to bring some air into the situation, hewould scream at me "Go ahead tell your mother, tell whoever you wantto." But now that I have, he is yelling at me about that too.I guess I was trying to protect him, and ended up hurting thefundamental level of respect needed to stay in a marriage.Then, when he decided he wanted to do ibogaine and unchain himselffrom dependence on the methadone clinic, again he insisted we not tellhis mother. But as a result of that, he effectively cut himself offfrom the financial resources that might have helped him get betteraftercare than me sitting in the bathroom with him, holding his handfor hours and hours of soaking through that month or two of POST ACUTEWITHDRAWAL SYMPTOMS (PAWS).When he needed to do Ibogaine again, he again did it on his own terms.And, messed up me, I enabled him. Although it was a major stress onmy own work and relationships, I let him move into my townhouse, I lethim go off and spend what limited money we had on "vacation" ratherthan active healing support. And lo and behold, he started doingother psychedelics, or something, and things have just gotten worseand worse, not better.Now I'm back in our home apartment, trying to paint over thebloodstains from the last run, and getting yelled at on the other endof the phone. People from the Underground ask me what he's doing, andthis is how clueless I am. I've never done dope. I've never donecoke. I'm on that side of those lines. I just keep sipping my redwine, and trying to hold it together.Red wine is not the best mental glue, as it turns out.Am I being manipulated? Am I being manipulative myself?? -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=-(][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- Sent from Yahoo! Mail. A Smarter Inbox. _________________________________________________________________ If you like crossword puzzles, then you'll love Flexicon, a game which combines four overlapping crossword puzzles into one! http://g.msn.ca/ca55/208 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080401/07221f78/attachment.htm From bicuitboy714 at gmail.com Tue Apr 1 15:04:31 2008 From: bicuitboy714 at gmail.com (Randy Faulconer) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 15:04:31 -0400 Subject: [Ibogaine] I'm not going to stand by and watch citizens die In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <29d165a30804011204u50be66b2x81f3601ca18a2e3@mail.gmail.com> I wonder what else is in the Lysol that those people are drinking?? WTF?? I never heard about that one!! That sound so desperate to be drinking Lysol, but from the looks of the story it looks like those people are doing it every day. Canada has to eventually pay for the health care of those poor people, so it makes sense to me to just give them some wine or something like that. Peace Love and Solidarity Randy On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 12:56 PM, Matthew Zielinski < mattzielinski at hotmail.com> wrote: > Vancouver is a crazy city!! The east side looks like a fucken war zone > with palid manequins stagering around chasing their next fix. Im glad Im > done with that shit!! > Healthy Regards > Matt > > > > > > ------------------------------ > From: phillipfiuty at hotmail.com > To: ibogaine at mindvox.com > Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 10:44:18 -0500 > Subject: [Ibogaine] I'm not going to stand by and watch citizens die > > > 'I'm not going to stand by and watch citizens die and our disease > > rates go up because we have a bunch of dinosaurs for a prime minister > > and a government,' > > Oh, Canada! > PF > > > > > > Newshawk: CMAP http://www.mapinc.org/cmap > > Pubdate: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 > > Source: National Post (Canada) > > Webpage: http://www.nationalpost.com/todays_paper/story.html?id=411240 > > Copyright: 2008 Southam Inc. > > Contact: letters at nationalpost.com > > Website: http://www.nationalpost.com/ > > Details: http://www.mapinc.org/media/286 > > Author: Allison Hanes, with files from Kelly Grant > > Cited: Vancouver Coastal Health Insite http://www.vch.ca/sis/ > > Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/hr.htm (Harm Reduction) > > Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/find?137 (Needle Exchange) > > Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/topic/Insite (Insite) > > Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/topic/Downtown+Eastside > > Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/find?142 (Supervised Injection Sites) > > Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/find?199 (Mandatory Minimum Sentencing) > > > > NEEDLES AND THE DAMAGE DONE > > > > As the Conservatives Pursue a Drug Policy Eschewing Harm Reduction, > > Provinces Are Moving the Other Way > > > > Long before Edmonton got its first needle-exchange program in the > > 1980s, a group called the Non-Beverage Alcohol Coalition lobbied for > > inner-city liquor stores to open longer hours and against merchants > > who knowingly sold cans of Listerine and Chinese cooking oil for the > > purpose of intoxication. > > > > The idea behind their efforts was part of a movement dubbed harm > > reduction that has been part of the fight against addiction and > > substance abuse for decades, spawning such controversial phenomena as > > free crack paraphernalia in Ottawa, wine for the homeless in Toronto > > and, most notably, supervised drug-injection sites in Vancouver's > > notorious Downtown Eastside. > > > > 'We had store owners in the city of Edmonton who were selling Lysol > > to aboriginal people with a nail so they could puncture the can and > > get the alcohol and making a lot of money doing it,' recalled Hope > > Hunter, the executive director of the Boyle Street Community Health > > Services, which for 37 years has operated programs for sex trade > > workers and drug addicts in a low-income swath of the Alberta > > capital. 'A harm-reduction approach says, 'I'm not trying to stop you > > from drinking. I'm trying to make sure what you're drinking is safe.' ' > > > > This philosophy has become the orthodoxy among front-line outreach > > workers who say it saves lives and prevents the spread of disease, > > but is decried by critics, including a drug-enforcement agency > > connected to the United Nations, as enabling addicts to continue > > their dangerous lifestyles in violation of the law. > > > > Harm reduction plays no part in the Conservative government's new > > $64-million National Anti-Drug Strategy, which sets aside money for > > prevention campaigns, law enforcement and treatment, and would > > institute mandatory minimum sentences for traffickers, producers and > > dealers who sell to young people. > > > > But even as the federal government pursues a get-tough approach, some > > of Canada's biggest cities and many provinces are moving to the > > opposite extreme. > > > > This week in Toronto, Mayor David Miller gave the opening address at > > a conference of social-service agencies, community groups and even > > some addicts, where the consensus was that prohibiting drugs makes > > the trade more lucrative, stiffer sentences punish the sick and the > > best way to reduce crime around substance abuse is to give junkies a > > safe place to smoke and shoot up. > > > > 'We know from research around the world that harm-reduction programs > > work,' Mr. Miller said at the event in council chambers. > > > > The City of Toronto offers three harm-reduction programs. Since 1989 > > it has distributed clean needles to intravenous-drug users and since > > 2006, it has handed out 'safer crack kits' to crack-cocaine smokers > > -- which include glass stems, mouthpieces and metal screens to keep > > users from burning or cutting their lips. Wine is also provided to > > the homeless at Seaton House, a city-run men's shelter. > > > > Such programs continue to run despite the federal government's > > opposition, funded by various other levels of government where they > > find sympathy. > > > > The City of Ottawa began distributing 'safer inhalation kits' for > > crack users in 2005, but when council revoked its support last year, > > the province rescued the program, which continues through the > > Centretown Community Health Centre. > > > > If there is a showdown looming between those who view harm reduction > > as non-judgmental realism and those who see it as condoning crime, it > > is likely to be over Insite, the supervised injection site in > > Vancouver's Downtown Eastside. > > > > Run by the Vancouver Coastal Health Authority as a pilot project > > since 2003, the program is funded by the city and the province, but > > the federal government holds the licence. > > > > Insite has more than 7,000 registered users and an average of 600 > > individuals a day stop in to get high -- 12% on morphine, 27% on > > cocaine and a staggering 40% on heroine -- under the watchful eye of > > public health nurses. As of 2006, there were 453 overdoses but no > > fatalities and more than 4,000 junkies were referred for counselling. > > > > The UN's International Narcotics Control Board disapproves of Insite > > for violating anti-drug conventions. A leaked report in 2006 from the > > RCMP's Drugs and Organized Crime Awareness program criticized the > > project for encouraging injection-drug use. The Conservative > > government threatened to pull Insite's licence and, after a battle > > last year, it extended the permit, but only until June. > > > > Supporters, such as Senator Larry Campbell, a former Vancouver mayor, > > have personally vowed to keep Insite open if the federal government > > tries to shut it down -- 'even if they arrest me,' he said in a phone > > interview this week. > > > > 'I'm not going to stand by and watch citizens die and our disease > > rates go up because we have a bunch of dinosaurs for a prime minister > > and a government,' he said. > > > > Despite the support of front-line experts, residents in most > > communities remain unconvinced of the merits of programs that provide > > addicts with the tools and space to feed their high-risk habits. > > > > The distribution of crack-pipe supplies had to be suspended in > > Nanaimo, B.C., recently after a public outcry to allow for proper > > consultation with the local community, including the mayor and city > council. > > > > A needle exchange in Victoria will have to go mobile after complaints > > that a brand new downtown facility where it was to be housed with > > other programs was too close to a private school. > > > > Richard Stanwick, the chief medical officer for the Vancouver Island > > Health Authority, said that harm-reduction strategies don't just > > protect the drug-users from HIV, Hepatitis C and abscesses, they also > > prevent the outbreak of diseases that can spread to the rest of the > > population, like tuberculosis and drug-resistant bacteria, as well as > > reduce costly hospital stays for infected heart valves and > > complications that come from contaminated or makeshift supplies. > > > > 'The real art of public health now,' he said, 'is going to be finding > > ways to ensure that these programs are implemented in a fashion that > > benefit the population we're targeting but at the same time addresses > > the concerns of the broad population about where and how these > > programs are going to be delivered.' > > > > At the Toronto symposium, Anna Costa said she wants to be > > compassionate, but she witnesses drug deals from her balcony in a > > neighbourhood east of downtown and has repeatedly had to eject people > > who use her store bathroom to smoke rock. > > > > 'I'm 30 years old. Education and harm prevention has existed since I > > was born and it doesn't feel like anything more than lip service,' > > said the frustrated business owner. 'I hear about problem after > > problem. One thing I didn't hear here are solutions.' > > > > > > > > +================================================================+ > > This message was sent to phillipfiuty at hotmail.com. > > To remove yourself from this email list, send email to > > harmred-unsubscribe at list1.ga3.org > > or visit your personal subscription management page at: > > http://ga0.org/drcnet/smp.tcl?s=++kd8wg6r4mxdij8. > > This email is Powered by Convio, Inc. http://www.convio.com > > +================================================================+ > > ------------------------------ > More immediate than e-mail? Get instant access with Windows Live > Messenger. > > > ------------------------------ > Sign in to Windows Live Messenger, and enter for your chance to win $1000 > a day?today until May 12th. Visit SignInAndWIN.ca > > > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- > (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) > -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080401/2f836219/attachment-0001.htm From phillipfiuty at hotmail.com Tue Apr 1 16:12:43 2008 From: phillipfiuty at hotmail.com (Phillip Fiuty) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 15:12:43 -0500 Subject: [Ibogaine] I'm not going to stand by and watch citizens die In-Reply-To: <29d165a30804011204u50be66b2x81f3601ca18a2e3@mail.gmail.com> References: <29d165a30804011204u50be66b2x81f3601ca18a2e3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Lots of our homeless Native Americans in Albuquerque are into mouthwash and paint huffing. I actually first heard of the Lysol and hairspray from folks in in-patient rehab programs. I know that most of the programs now don't allow personal products that contain alcohol (and force patients to eat Seroquel instead. Personally, I'd rather have the hairspray). This makes me wonder about the prisons, though. I've seen syringes made out of turkey basters and those big-ass needles made for pumping up basketballs, so I have to imagine there's a fair share of cleaning supply drinkers as well. I once heard from a former inmate that one of the ingredients in the old "Contact" cold pills, the ones in the clear caps with all of the different colored "tiny time pills" was belladonna. The guys would sit around and separate out all of the little blue specs until they had a sufficient pile to swallow and get high. Can anyone confirm this (the ingredient, not the activity)? I've taken homeopathic belladonna on and off for years for different ailments. I've never gotten "high", but found that in those minute doses, my dream state becomes much more elaborate and memorable. I must admit... I have taken it for the dreams. PF Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 15:04:31 -0400 From: bicuitboy714 at gmail.com To: ibogaine at mindvox.com Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I'm not going to stand by and watch citizens die I wonder what else is in the Lysol that those people are drinking?? WTF?? I never heard about that one!! That sound so desperate to be drinking Lysol, but from the looks of the story it looks like those people are doing it every day. Canada has to eventually pay for the health care of those poor people, so it makes sense to me to just give them some wine or something like that. Peace Love and Solidarity Randy On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 12:56 PM, Matthew Zielinski wrote: Vancouver is a crazy city!! The east side looks like a fucken war zone with palid manequins stagering around chasing their next fix. Im glad Im done with that shit!! Healthy Regards Matt From: phillipfiuty at hotmail.com To: ibogaine at mindvox.com Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 10:44:18 -0500 Subject: [Ibogaine] I'm not going to stand by and watch citizens die 'I'm not going to stand by and watch citizens die and our disease > rates go up because we have a bunch of dinosaurs for a prime minister > and a government,' Oh, Canada! PF > > Newshawk: CMAP http://www.mapinc.org/cmap > Pubdate: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 > Source: National Post (Canada) > Webpage: http://www.nationalpost.com/todays_paper/story.html?id=411240 > Copyright: 2008 Southam Inc. > Contact: letters at nationalpost.com > Website: http://www.nationalpost.com/ > Details: http://www.mapinc.org/media/286 > Author: Allison Hanes, with files from Kelly Grant > Cited: Vancouver Coastal Health Insite http://www.vch.ca/sis/ > Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/hr.htm (Harm Reduction) > Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/find?137 (Needle Exchange) > Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/topic/Insite (Insite) > Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/topic/Downtown+Eastside > Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/find?142 (Supervised Injection Sites) > Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/find?199 (Mandatory Minimum Sentencing) > > NEEDLES AND THE DAMAGE DONE > > As the Conservatives Pursue a Drug Policy Eschewing Harm Reduction, > Provinces Are Moving the Other Way > > Long before Edmonton got its first needle-exchange program in the > 1980s, a group called the Non-Beverage Alcohol Coalition lobbied for > inner-city liquor stores to open longer hours and against merchants > who knowingly sold cans of Listerine and Chinese cooking oil for the > purpose of intoxication. > > The idea behind their efforts was part of a movement dubbed harm > reduction that has been part of the fight against addiction and > substance abuse for decades, spawning such controversial phenomena as > free crack paraphernalia in Ottawa, wine for the homeless in Toronto > and, most notably, supervised drug-injection sites in Vancouver's > notorious Downtown Eastside. > > 'We had store owners in the city of Edmonton who were selling Lysol > to aboriginal people with a nail so they could puncture the can and > get the alcohol and making a lot of money doing it,' recalled Hope > Hunter, the executive director of the Boyle Street Community Health > Services, which for 37 years has operated programs for sex trade > workers and drug addicts in a low-income swath of the Alberta > capital. 'A harm-reduction approach says, 'I'm not trying to stop you > from drinking. I'm trying to make sure what you're drinking is safe.' ' > > This philosophy has become the orthodoxy among front-line outreach > workers who say it saves lives and prevents the spread of disease, > but is decried by critics, including a drug-enforcement agency > connected to the United Nations, as enabling addicts to continue > their dangerous lifestyles in violation of the law. > > Harm reduction plays no part in the Conservative government's new > $64-million National Anti-Drug Strategy, which sets aside money for > prevention campaigns, law enforcement and treatment, and would > institute mandatory minimum sentences for traffickers, producers and > dealers who sell to young people. > > But even as the federal government pursues a get-tough approach, some > of Canada's biggest cities and many provinces are moving to the > opposite extreme. > > This week in Toronto, Mayor David Miller gave the opening address at > a conference of social-service agencies, community groups and even > some addicts, where the consensus was that prohibiting drugs makes > the trade more lucrative, stiffer sentences punish the sick and the > best way to reduce crime around substance abuse is to give junkies a > safe place to smoke and shoot up. > > 'We know from research around the world that harm-reduction programs > work,' Mr. Miller said at the event in council chambers. > > The City of Toronto offers three harm-reduction programs. Since 1989 > it has distributed clean needles to intravenous-drug users and since > 2006, it has handed out 'safer crack kits' to crack-cocaine smokers > -- which include glass stems, mouthpieces and metal screens to keep > users from burning or cutting their lips. Wine is also provided to > the homeless at Seaton House, a city-run men's shelter. > > Such programs continue to run despite the federal government's > opposition, funded by various other levels of government where they > find sympathy. > > The City of Ottawa began distributing 'safer inhalation kits' for > crack users in 2005, but when council revoked its support last year, > the province rescued the program, which continues through the > Centretown Community Health Centre. > > If there is a showdown looming between those who view harm reduction > as non-judgmental realism and those who see it as condoning crime, it > is likely to be over Insite, the supervised injection site in > Vancouver's Downtown Eastside. > > Run by the Vancouver Coastal Health Authority as a pilot project > since 2003, the program is funded by the city and the province, but > the federal government holds the licence. > > Insite has more than 7,000 registered users and an average of 600 > individuals a day stop in to get high -- 12% on morphine, 27% on > cocaine and a staggering 40% on heroine -- under the watchful eye of > public health nurses. As of 2006, there were 453 overdoses but no > fatalities and more than 4,000 junkies were referred for counselling. > > The UN's International Narcotics Control Board disapproves of Insite > for violating anti-drug conventions. A leaked report in 2006 from the > RCMP's Drugs and Organized Crime Awareness program criticized the > project for encouraging injection-drug use. The Conservative > government threatened to pull Insite's licence and, after a battle > last year, it extended the permit, but only until June. > > Supporters, such as Senator Larry Campbell, a former Vancouver mayor, > have personally vowed to keep Insite open if the federal government > tries to shut it down -- 'even if they arrest me,' he said in a phone > interview this week. > > 'I'm not going to stand by and watch citizens die and our disease > rates go up because we have a bunch of dinosaurs for a prime minister > and a government,' he said. > > Despite the support of front-line experts, residents in most > communities remain unconvinced of the merits of programs that provide > addicts with the tools and space to feed their high-risk habits. > > The distribution of crack-pipe supplies had to be suspended in > Nanaimo, B.C., recently after a public outcry to allow for proper > consultation with the local community, including the mayor and city council. > > A needle exchange in Victoria will have to go mobile after complaints > that a brand new downtown facility where it was to be housed with > other programs was too close to a private school. > > Richard Stanwick, the chief medical officer for the Vancouver Island > Health Authority, said that harm-reduction strategies don't just > protect the drug-users from HIV, Hepatitis C and abscesses, they also > prevent the outbreak of diseases that can spread to the rest of the > population, like tuberculosis and drug-resistant bacteria, as well as > reduce costly hospital stays for infected heart valves and > complications that come from contaminated or makeshift supplies. > > 'The real art of public health now,' he said, 'is going to be finding > ways to ensure that these programs are implemented in a fashion that > benefit the population we're targeting but at the same time addresses > the concerns of the broad population about where and how these > programs are going to be delivered.' > > At the Toronto symposium, Anna Costa said she wants to be > compassionate, but she witnesses drug deals from her balcony in a > neighbourhood east of downtown and has repeatedly had to eject people > who use her store bathroom to smoke rock. > > 'I'm 30 years old. Education and harm prevention has existed since I > was born and it doesn't feel like anything more than lip service,' > said the frustrated business owner. 'I hear about problem after > problem. One thing I didn't hear here are solutions.' > > > > +================================================================+ > This message was sent to phillipfiuty at hotmail.com. > To remove yourself from this email list, send email to > harmred-unsubscribe at list1.ga3.org > or visit your personal subscription management page at: > http://ga0.org/drcnet/smp.tcl?s=++kd8wg6r4mxdij8. > This email is Powered by Convio, Inc. http://www.convio.com > +================================================================+ More immediate than e-mail? Get instant access with Windows Live Messenger. Sign in to Windows Live Messenger, and enter for your chance to win $1000 a day?today until May 12th. 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URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080401/3a47df87/attachment.htm From mattzielinski at hotmail.com Tue Apr 1 16:25:39 2008 From: mattzielinski at hotmail.com (Matthew Zielinski) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 16:25:39 -0400 Subject: [Ibogaine] I'm not going to stand by and watch citizens die In-Reply-To: <29d165a30804011204u50be66b2x81f3601ca18a2e3@mail.gmail.com> References: <29d165a30804011204u50be66b2x81f3601ca18a2e3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: In Poland we have the same problem. Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 15:04:31 -0400From: bicuitboy714 at gmail.comTo: ibogaine at mindvox.comSubject: Re: [Ibogaine] I'm not going to stand by and watch citizens die I wonder what else is in the Lysol that those people are drinking?? WTF?? I never heard about that one!! That sound so desperate to be drinking Lysol, but from the looks of the story it looks like those people are doing it every day. Canada has to eventually pay for the health care of those poor people, so it makes sense to me to just give them some wine or something like that. Peace Love and Solidarity Randy On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 12:56 PM, Matthew Zielinski wrote: Vancouver is a crazy city!! The east side looks like a fucken war zone with palid manequins stagering around chasing their next fix. Im glad Im done with that shit!!Healthy RegardsMatt From: phillipfiuty at hotmail.comTo: ibogaine at mindvox.comDate: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 10:44:18 -0500Subject: [Ibogaine] I'm not going to stand by and watch citizens die 'I'm not going to stand by and watch citizens die and our disease > rates go up because we have a bunch of dinosaurs for a prime minister > and a government,' Oh, Canada!PF> > Newshawk: CMAP http://www.mapinc.org/cmap> Pubdate: Mon, 31 Mar 2008> Source: National Post (Canada)> Webpage: http://www.nationalpost.com/todays_paper/story.html?id=411240> Copyright: 2008 Southam Inc.> Contact: letters at nationalpost.com> Website: http://www.nationalpost.com/> Details: http://www.mapinc.org/media/286> Author: Allison Hanes, with files from Kelly Grant> Cited: Vancouver Coastal Health Insite http://www.vch.ca/sis/> Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/hr.htm (Harm Reduction)> Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/find?137 (Needle Exchange)> Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/topic/Insite (Insite)> Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/topic/Downtown+Eastside> Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/find?142 (Supervised Injection Sites)> Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/find?199 (Mandatory Minimum Sentencing)> > NEEDLES AND THE DAMAGE DONE> > As the Conservatives Pursue a Drug Policy Eschewing Harm Reduction, > Provinces Are Moving the Other Way> > Long before Edmonton got its first needle-exchange program in the > 1980s, a group called the Non-Beverage Alcohol Coalition lobbied for > inner-city liquor stores to open longer hours and against merchants > who knowingly sold cans of Listerine and Chinese cooking oil for the > purpose of intoxication.> > The idea behind their efforts was part of a movement dubbed harm > reduction that has been part of the fight against addiction and > substance abuse for decades, spawning such controversial phenomena as > free crack paraphernalia in Ottawa, wine for the homeless in Toronto > and, most notably, supervised drug-injection sites in Vancouver's > notorious Downtown Eastside.> > 'We had store owners in the city of Edmonton who were selling Lysol > to aboriginal people with a nail so they could puncture the can and > get the alcohol and making a lot of money doing it,' recalled Hope > Hunter, the executive director of the Boyle Street Community Health > Services, which for 37 years has operated programs for sex trade > workers and drug addicts in a low-income swath of the Alberta > capital. 'A harm-reduction approach says, 'I'm not trying to stop you > from drinking. I'm trying to make sure what you're drinking is safe.' '> > This philosophy has become the orthodoxy among front-line outreach > workers who say it saves lives and prevents the spread of disease, > but is decried by critics, including a drug-enforcement agency > connected to the United Nations, as enabling addicts to continue > their dangerous lifestyles in violation of the law.> > Harm reduction plays no part in the Conservative government's new > $64-million National Anti-Drug Strategy, which sets aside money for > prevention campaigns, law enforcement and treatment, and would > institute mandatory minimum sentences for traffickers, producers and > dealers who sell to young people.> > But even as the federal government pursues a get-tough approach, some > of Canada's biggest cities and many provinces are moving to the > opposite extreme.> > This week in Toronto, Mayor David Miller gave the opening address at > a conference of social-service agencies, community groups and even > some addicts, where the consensus was that prohibiting drugs makes > the trade more lucrative, stiffer sentences punish the sick and the > best way to reduce crime around substance abuse is to give junkies a > safe place to smoke and shoot up.> > 'We know from research around the world that harm-reduction programs > work,' Mr. Miller said at the event in council chambers.> > The City of Toronto offers three harm-reduction programs. Since 1989 > it has distributed clean needles to intravenous-drug users and since > 2006, it has handed out 'safer crack kits' to crack-cocaine smokers > -- which include glass stems, mouthpieces and metal screens to keep > users from burning or cutting their lips. Wine is also provided to > the homeless at Seaton House, a city-run men's shelter.> > Such programs continue to run despite the federal government's > opposition, funded by various other levels of government where they > find sympathy.> > The City of Ottawa began distributing 'safer inhalation kits' for > crack users in 2005, but when council revoked its support last year, > the province rescued the program, which continues through the > Centretown Community Health Centre.> > If there is a showdown looming between those who view harm reduction > as non-judgmental realism and those who see it as condoning crime, it > is likely to be over Insite, the supervised injection site in > Vancouver's Downtown Eastside.> > Run by the Vancouver Coastal Health Authority as a pilot project > since 2003, the program is funded by the city and the province, but > the federal government holds the licence.> > Insite has more than 7,000 registered users and an average of 600 > individuals a day stop in to get high -- 12% on morphine, 27% on > cocaine and a staggering 40% on heroine -- under the watchful eye of > public health nurses. As of 2006, there were 453 overdoses but no > fatalities and more than 4,000 junkies were referred for counselling.> > The UN's International Narcotics Control Board disapproves of Insite > for violating anti-drug conventions. A leaked report in 2006 from the > RCMP's Drugs and Organized Crime Awareness program criticized the > project for encouraging injection-drug use. The Conservative > government threatened to pull Insite's licence and, after a battle > last year, it extended the permit, but only until June.> > Supporters, such as Senator Larry Campbell, a former Vancouver mayor, > have personally vowed to keep Insite open if the federal government > tries to shut it down -- 'even if they arrest me,' he said in a phone > interview this week.> > 'I'm not going to stand by and watch citizens die and our disease > rates go up because we have a bunch of dinosaurs for a prime minister > and a government,' he said.> > Despite the support of front-line experts, residents in most > communities remain unconvinced of the merits of programs that provide > addicts with the tools and space to feed their high-risk habits.> > The distribution of crack-pipe supplies had to be suspended in > Nanaimo, B.C., recently after a public outcry to allow for proper > consultation with the local community, including the mayor and city council.> > A needle exchange in Victoria will have to go mobile after complaints > that a brand new downtown facility where it was to be housed with > other programs was too close to a private school.> > Richard Stanwick, the chief medical officer for the Vancouver Island > Health Authority, said that harm-reduction strategies don't just > protect the drug-users from HIV, Hepatitis C and abscesses, they also > prevent the outbreak of diseases that can spread to the rest of the > population, like tuberculosis and drug-resistant bacteria, as well as > reduce costly hospital stays for infected heart valves and > complications that come from contaminated or makeshift supplies.> > 'The real art of public health now,' he said, 'is going to be finding > ways to ensure that these programs are implemented in a fashion that > benefit the population we're targeting but at the same time addresses > the concerns of the broad population about where and how these > programs are going to be delivered.'> > At the Toronto symposium, Anna Costa said she wants to be > compassionate, but she witnesses drug deals from her balcony in a > neighbourhood east of downtown and has repeatedly had to eject people > who use her store bathroom to smoke rock.> > 'I'm 30 years old. Education and harm prevention has existed since I > was born and it doesn't feel like anything more than lip service,' > said the frustrated business owner. 'I hear about problem after > problem. One thing I didn't hear here are solutions.'> > > > +================================================================+> This message was sent to phillipfiuty at hotmail.com. > To remove yourself from this email list, send email to> harmred-unsubscribe at list1.ga3.org > or visit your personal subscription management page at: > http://ga0.org/drcnet/smp.tcl?s=++kd8wg6r4mxdij8.> This email is Powered by Convio, Inc. http://www.convio.com> +================================================================+ More immediate than e-mail? Get instant access with Windows Live Messenger. Sign in to Windows Live Messenger, and enter for your chance to win $1000 a day?today until May 12th. 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Instead of worrying about Khat, they could probably do more to effect the drug trade by not buying used CD's and DVD's. Then again, I might not be able to get to work some days. PF Tri-City Drug Task Force Makes KHAT Arrest Friday, Mar 14, 2008 - 02:28:52 pm CDT (Lincoln, NE) - A fast paced cooperative effort by Nebraska State Patrol investigators in conjunction with the Tri-City Drug Task Force resulted in the arrest of a Grand Island man and the seizure of nearly 75 lbs. of KHAT. On, Wednesday, March 13, 2008, Nebraska State Patrol investigators assigned to the Tri-City Drug Task force received information regarding the shipment of KHAT coming into Grand Island through a package delivery service. A controlled delivery of the packages was initiated. The packages containing the KHAT were then delivered to three individuals. Those individuals were then taken into custody without incident. One of the individuals, 24-year-old Farhan Hussein Abdi of Grand Island was lodged in the Hall County Jail on a charge of Possession of a Controlled Substance with Intent to Deliver. The 75 lbs. of KHAT seized has an estimated street value of $22, 500.00. KHAT (pronounced COT) is a flowering shrub native to East Africa and Southern Arabia. The root of the plant which is often chewed or made into tea has effects similar to ephedrine. KHAT is a stimulant, hallucinogen and is in the same class as Amphetamine. In 1993 the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), banned Cathinone and Cathine the main ingredients found in KHAT. The Tri-City Drug Task Force is comprised of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), the Nebraska State Patrol, Grand Island, Hastings, Kearney Police Departments and Sheriff's Offices in Hall, Adams and Buffalo Counties. The Tri-City Drug Task Force is funded by grants from the Byrne Memorial Fund and The High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area Program (HIDTA). _________________________________________________________________ Get in touch in an instant. Get Windows Live Messenger now. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_getintouch_042008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080401/d7b1125b/attachment.htm From phillipfiuty at hotmail.com Tue Apr 1 16:57:24 2008 From: phillipfiuty at hotmail.com (Phillip Fiuty) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 15:57:24 -0500 Subject: [Ibogaine] Gilligan's Island star pot bust Message-ID: I've always been one of those geeks who liked May-Ann a whole lot better than Ginger, anyway. I always thought it was our Kansas connection, but now I know better. PF March 12, 2008 12:00am DAWN Wells, the actress who played Mary Ann on Gilligan's Island, was arrested after police found several marijuana joints in her car. Wells is now serving six months' unsupervised probation for the crime. report Fox News. The 69-year-old was sentenced to five days in jail, fined $410.50and placed on probation after pleading guilty to one count of recklessdriving. The case began the night of October 18, when she was driving home from a surprise birthday party. She posted $4000 bond and was arraigned on the charges the followingday, pleading not guilty. A trial on the matter was scheduled for March13, but was canceled because of the plea agreement. Accordingto the sheriff's office report, Wells was pulled over after DeputyJoseph Gutierrez noticed her swerve across lanes, repeatedly speedingup and slowing down. 'I exited my patrol vehicle and immediately was able to smell astrong odor of burning marijuana,' Gutierrez wrote in his report. 'As Iapproached the vehicle I noticed all four window (sic) of the vehiclewere lowered and the female driver was not wearing a jacket,' report Fox News. When Gutierrez asked why he could smell marijuana, Wells reportedlytold him that she'd just given a ride to three hitchhikers and haddropped them off when they began smoking something. When Gutierrez searched the car, he found three half-smoked joints in the ashtray and console, according to the report. A second search after Wells' arrest netted a fourth half-smokedjoint and two small cases used to store marijuana, Gutierrez said. After Wells failed a field sobriety test, she was handcuffed and taken to the sheriff's office. _________________________________________________________________ Pack up or back up?use SkyDrive to transfer files or keep extra copies. Learn how. hthttp://www.windowslive.com/skydrive/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_skydrive_packup_042008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080401/6d290bf1/attachment.htm From ibogamail at gmail.com Tue Apr 1 18:41:51 2008 From: ibogamail at gmail.com (Matt Shriver) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 16:41:51 -0600 Subject: [Ibogaine] I'm not going to stand by and watch citizens die In-Reply-To: <29d165a30804011204u50be66b2x81f3601ca18a2e3@mail.gmail.com> References: <29d165a30804011204u50be66b2x81f3601ca18a2e3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47F2BA2F.1070401@gmail.com> Its aquanet that they drink around here. In some vacant lots you can find piles of those cans with the nozzles busted off. Its easier for them. They can spare change a few bucks to buy a can and get their drunk on without having to get a lot of money together. Pretty sad. Matt Randy Faulconer wrote: > I wonder what else is in the Lysol that those people are > drinking?? WTF?? I never heard about that one!! That sound so > desperate to be drinking Lysol, but from the looks of the story it > looks like those people are doing it every day. Canada has to > eventually pay for the health care of those poor people, so it makes > sense to me to just give them some wine or something like that. > > Peace Love and Solidarity > Randy > > On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 12:56 PM, Matthew Zielinski > > wrote: > > Vancouver is a crazy city!! The east side looks like a fucken war > zone with palid manequins stagering around chasing their next > fix. Im glad Im done with that shit!! > Healthy Regards > Matt > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: phillipfiuty at hotmail.com > To: ibogaine at mindvox.com > Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 10:44:18 -0500 > Subject: [Ibogaine] I'm not going to stand by and watch > citizens die > > > 'I'm not going to stand by and watch citizens die and our disease > > rates go up because we have a bunch of dinosaurs for a prime > minister > > and a government,' > > Oh, Canada! > PF > > > > > > Newshawk: CMAP http://www.mapinc.org/cmap > > Pubdate: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 > > Source: National Post (Canada) > > Webpage: > http://www.nationalpost.com/todays_paper/story.html?id=411240 > > Copyright: 2008 Southam Inc. > > Contact: letters at nationalpost.com > > > Website: http://www.nationalpost.com/ > > Details: http://www.mapinc.org/media/286 > > Author: Allison Hanes, with files from Kelly Grant > > Cited: Vancouver Coastal Health Insite http://www.vch.ca/sis/ > > Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/hr.htm (Harm Reduction) > > Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/find?137 (Needle Exchange) > > Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/topic/Insite (Insite) > > Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/topic/Downtown+Eastside > > Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/find?142 (Supervised > Injection Sites) > > Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/find?199 (Mandatory Minimum > Sentencing) > > > > NEEDLES AND THE DAMAGE DONE > > > > As the Conservatives Pursue a Drug Policy Eschewing Harm > Reduction, > > Provinces Are Moving the Other Way > > > > Long before Edmonton got its first needle-exchange program > in the > > 1980s, a group called the Non-Beverage Alcohol Coalition > lobbied for > > inner-city liquor stores to open longer hours and against > merchants > > who knowingly sold cans of Listerine and Chinese cooking oil > for the > > purpose of intoxication. > > > > The idea behind their efforts was part of a movement dubbed > harm > > reduction that has been part of the fight against addiction and > > substance abuse for decades, spawning such controversial > phenomena as > > free crack paraphernalia in Ottawa, wine for the homeless in > Toronto > > and, most notably, supervised drug-injection sites in > Vancouver's > > notorious Downtown Eastside. > > > > 'We had store owners in the city of Edmonton who were > selling Lysol > > to aboriginal people with a nail so they could puncture the > can and > > get the alcohol and making a lot of money doing it,' > recalled Hope > > Hunter, the executive director of the Boyle Street Community > Health > > Services, which for 37 years has operated programs for sex > trade > > workers and drug addicts in a low-income swath of the Alberta > > capital. 'A harm-reduction approach says, 'I'm not trying to > stop you > > from drinking. I'm trying to make sure what you're drinking > is safe.' ' > > > > This philosophy has become the orthodoxy among front-line > outreach > > workers who say it saves lives and prevents the spread of > disease, > > but is decried by critics, including a drug-enforcement agency > > connected to the United Nations, as enabling addicts to > continue > > their dangerous lifestyles in violation of the law. > > > > Harm reduction plays no part in the Conservative > government's new > > $64-million National Anti-Drug Strategy, which sets aside > money for > > prevention campaigns, law enforcement and treatment, and would > > institute mandatory minimum sentences for traffickers, > producers and > > dealers who sell to young people. > > > > But even as the federal government pursues a get-tough > approach, some > > of Canada's biggest cities and many provinces are moving to the > > opposite extreme. > > > > This week in Toronto, Mayor David Miller gave the opening > address at > > a conference of social-service agencies, community groups > and even > > some addicts, where the consensus was that prohibiting drugs > makes > > the trade more lucrative, stiffer sentences punish the sick > and the > > best way to reduce crime around substance abuse is to give > junkies a > > safe place to smoke and shoot up. > > > > 'We know from research around the world that harm-reduction > programs > > work,' Mr. Miller said at the event in council chambers. > > > > The City of Toronto offers three harm-reduction programs. > Since 1989 > > it has distributed clean needles to intravenous-drug users > and since > > 2006, it has handed out 'safer crack kits' to crack-cocaine > smokers > > -- which include glass stems, mouthpieces and metal screens > to keep > > users from burning or cutting their lips. Wine is also > provided to > > the homeless at Seaton House, a city-run men's shelter. > > > > Such programs continue to run despite the federal government's > > opposition, funded by various other levels of government > where they > > find sympathy. > > > > The City of Ottawa began distributing 'safer inhalation > kits' for > > crack users in 2005, but when council revoked its support > last year, > > the province rescued the program, which continues through the > > Centretown Community Health Centre. > > > > If there is a showdown looming between those who view harm > reduction > > as non-judgmental realism and those who see it as condoning > crime, it > > is likely to be over Insite, the supervised injection site in > > Vancouver's Downtown Eastside. > > > > Run by the Vancouver Coastal Health Authority as a pilot > project > > since 2003, the program is funded by the city and the > province, but > > the federal government holds the licence. > > > > Insite has more than 7,000 registered users and an average > of 600 > > individuals a day stop in to get high -- 12% on morphine, > 27% on > > cocaine and a staggering 40% on heroine -- under the > watchful eye of > > public health nurses. As of 2006, there were 453 overdoses > but no > > fatalities and more than 4,000 junkies were referred for > counselling. > > > > The UN's International Narcotics Control Board disapproves > of Insite > > for violating anti-drug conventions. A leaked report in 2006 > from the > > RCMP's Drugs and Organized Crime Awareness program > criticized the > > project for encouraging injection-drug use. The Conservative > > government threatened to pull Insite's licence and, after a > battle > > last year, it extended the permit, but only until June. > > > > Supporters, such as Senator Larry Campbell, a former > Vancouver mayor, > > have personally vowed to keep Insite open if the federal > government > > tries to shut it down -- 'even if they arrest me,' he said > in a phone > > interview this week. > > > > 'I'm not going to stand by and watch citizens die and our > disease > > rates go up because we have a bunch of dinosaurs for a prime > minister > > and a government,' he said. > > > > Despite the support of front-line experts, residents in most > > communities remain unconvinced of the merits of programs > that provide > > addicts with the tools and space to feed their high-risk habits. > > > > The distribution of crack-pipe supplies had to be suspended in > > Nanaimo, B.C., recently after a public outcry to allow for > proper > > consultation with the local community, including the mayor > and city council. > > > > A needle exchange in Victoria will have to go mobile after > complaints > > that a brand new downtown facility where it was to be housed > with > > other programs was too close to a private school. > > > > Richard Stanwick, the chief medical officer for the > Vancouver Island > > Health Authority, said that harm-reduction strategies don't > just > > protect the drug-users from HIV, Hepatitis C and abscesses, > they also > > prevent the outbreak of diseases that can spread to the rest > of the > > population, like tuberculosis and drug-resistant bacteria, > as well as > > reduce costly hospital stays for infected heart valves and > > complications that come from contaminated or makeshift supplies. > > > > 'The real art of public health now,' he said, 'is going to > be finding > > ways to ensure that these programs are implemented in a > fashion that > > benefit the population we're targeting but at the same time > addresses > > the concerns of the broad population about where and how these > > programs are going to be delivered.' > > > > At the Toronto symposium, Anna Costa said she wants to be > > compassionate, but she witnesses drug deals from her balcony > in a > > neighbourhood east of downtown and has repeatedly had to > eject people > > who use her store bathroom to smoke rock. > > > > 'I'm 30 years old. Education and harm prevention has existed > since I > > was born and it doesn't feel like anything more than lip > service,' > > said the frustrated business owner. 'I hear about problem after > > problem. One thing I didn't hear here are solutions.' > > > > > > > > > +================================================================+ > > This message was sent to phillipfiuty at hotmail.com > . > > To remove yourself from this email list, send email to > > harmred-unsubscribe at list1.ga3.org > > > or visit your personal subscription management page at: > > http://ga0.org/drcnet/smp.tcl?s=++kd8wg6r4mxdij8. > > This email is Powered by Convio, Inc. http://www.convio.com > > > > +================================================================+ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > More immediate than e-mail? 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URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080401/670123b2/attachment-0001.htm From simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk Tue Apr 1 19:05:55 2008 From: simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk (simon loxton) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 23:05:55 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Ibogaine] [Iboga} methadone clinics and meth's drinkers Message-ID: <942252.44522.qm@web28605.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> It sounds like some of the methylated spirits drinkers here; some times they mix all kinds of shit together as a home brew type thing that they make in the townships; they contain everything to battery acid. Some people get really hooked on it; the sad thing is you see a lot of them around and they have kids which they get to do most of the begging; the signs of foetal alcohol syndrome are common. Very sad; I guess every place has some thing like this even in the first world. Another thing is that I was under the impression there were free methadone programs in the states like in Europe which I found out recently is not the case. I would like any further information if possible ----- Original Message ---- From: Matt Shriver To: The Ibogaine List Sent: Wednesday, 2 April, 2008 12:41:51 AM Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I'm not going to stand by and watch citizens die Its aquanet that they drink around here. In some vacant lots you can find piles of those cans with the nozzles busted off. Its easier for them. They can spare change a few bucks to buy a can and get their drunk on without having to get a lot of money together. Pretty sad. Matt Randy Faulconer wrote: I wonder what else is in the Lysol that those people are drinking?? WTF?? I never heard about that one!! That sound so desperate to be drinking Lysol, but from the looks of the story it looks like those people are doing it every day. Canada has to eventually pay for the health care of those poor people, so it makes sense to me to just give them some wine or something like that. Peace Love and Solidarity Randy On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 12:56 PM, Matthew Zielinski wrote: Vancouver is a crazy city!! The east side looks like a fucken war zone with palid manequins stagering around chasing their next fix. Im glad Im done with that shit!! Healthy Regards Matt From: phillipfiuty at hotmail.com To: ibogaine at mindvox.com Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 10:44:18 -0500 Subject: [Ibogaine] I'm not going to stand by and watch citizens die 'I'm not going to stand by and watch citizens die and our disease > rates go up because we have a bunch of dinosaurs for a prime minister > and a government,' Oh, Canada! PF > > Newshawk: CMAP http://www.mapinc.org/cmap > Pubdate: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 > Source: National Post (Canada) > Webpage: http://www.nationalpost.com/todays_paper/story.html?id=411240 > Copyright: 2008 Southam Inc. > Contact: letters at nationalpost.com > Website: http://www.nationalpost.com/ > Details: http://www.mapinc.org/media/286 > Author: Allison Hanes, with files from Kelly Grant > Cited: Vancouver Coastal Health Insite http://www.vch.ca/sis/ > Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/hr.htm (Harm Reduction) > Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/find?137 (Needle Exchange) > Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/topic/Insite (Insite) > Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/topic/Downtown+Eastside > Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/find?142 (Supervised Injection Sites) > Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/find?199 (Mandatory Minimum Sentencing) > > NEEDLES AND THE DAMAGE DONE > > As the Conservatives Pursue a Drug Policy Eschewing Harm Reduction, > Provinces Are Moving the Other Way > > Long before Edmonton got its first needle-exchange program in the > 1980s, a group called the Non-Beverage Alcohol Coalition lobbied for > inner-city liquor stores to open longer hours and against merchants > who knowingly sold cans of Listerine and Chinese cooking oil for the > purpose of intoxication. > > The idea behind their efforts was part of a movement dubbed harm > reduction that has been part of the fight against addiction and > substance abuse for decades, spawning such controversial phenomena as > free crack paraphernalia in Ottawa, wine for the homeless in Toronto > and, most notably, supervised drug-injection sites in Vancouver's > notorious Downtown Eastside. > > 'We had store owners in the city of Edmonton who were selling Lysol > to aboriginal people with a nail so they could puncture the can and > get the alcohol and making a lot of money doing it,' recalled Hope > Hunter, the executive director of the Boyle Street Community Health > Services, which for 37 years has operated programs for sex trade > workers and drug addicts in a low-income swath of the Alberta > capital. 'A harm-reduction approach says, 'I'm not trying to stop you > from drinking. I'm trying to make sure what you're drinking is safe.' ' > > This philosophy has become the orthodoxy among front-line outreach > workers who say it saves lives and prevents the spread of disease, > but is decried by critics, including a drug-enforcement agency > connected to the United Nations, as enabling addicts to continue > their dangerous lifestyles in violation of the law. > > Harm reduction plays no part in the Conservative government's new > $64-million National Anti-Drug Strategy, which sets aside money for > prevention campaigns, law enforcement and treatment, and would > institute mandatory minimum sentences for traffickers, producers and > dealers who sell to young people. > > But even as the federal government pursues a get-tough approach, some > of Canada's biggest cities and many provinces are moving to the > opposite extreme. > > This week in Toronto, Mayor David Miller gave the opening address at > a conference of social-service agencies, community groups and even > some addicts, where the consensus was that prohibiting drugs makes > the trade more lucrative, stiffer sentences punish the sick and the > best way to reduce crime around substance abuse is to give junkies a > safe place to smoke and shoot up. > > 'We know from research around the world that harm-reduction programs > work,' Mr. Miller said at the event in council chambers. > > The City of Toronto offers three harm-reduction programs. Since 1989 > it has distributed clean needles to intravenous-drug users and since > 2006, it has handed out 'safer crack kits' to crack-cocaine smokers > -- which include glass stems, mouthpieces and metal screens to keep > users from burning or cutting their lips. Wine is also provided to > the homeless at Seaton House, a city-run men's shelter. > > Such programs continue to run despite the federal government's > opposition, funded by various other levels of government where they > find sympathy. > > The City of Ottawa began distributing 'safer inhalation kits' for > crack users in 2005, but when council revoked its support last year, > the province rescued the program, which continues through the > Centretown Community Health Centre. > > If there is a showdown looming between those who view harm reduction > as non-judgmental realism and those who see it as condoning crime, it > is likely to be over Insite, the supervised injection site in > Vancouver's Downtown Eastside. > > Run by the Vancouver Coastal Health Authority as a pilot project > since 2003, the program is funded by the city and the province, but > the federal government holds the licence. > > Insite has more than 7,000 registered users and an average of 600 > individuals a day stop in to get high -- 12% on morphine, 27% on > cocaine and a staggering 40% on heroine -- under the watchful eye of > public health nurses. As of 2006, there were 453 overdoses but no > fatalities and more than 4,000 junkies were referred for counselling. > > The UN's International Narcotics Control Board disapproves of Insite > for violating anti-drug conventions. A leaked report in 2006 from the > RCMP's Drugs and Organized Crime Awareness program criticized the > project for encouraging injection-drug use. The Conservative > government threatened to pull Insite's licence and, after a battle > last year, it extended the permit, but only until June. > > Supporters, such as Senator Larry Campbell, a former Vancouver mayor, > have personally vowed to keep Insite open if the federal government > tries to shut it down -- 'even if they arrest me,' he said in a phone > interview this week. > > 'I'm not going to stand by and watch citizens die and our disease > rates go up because we have a bunch of dinosaurs for a prime minister > and a government,' he said. > > Despite the support of front-line experts, residents in most > communities remain unconvinced of the merits of programs that provide > addicts with the tools and space to feed their high-risk habits. > > The distribution of crack-pipe supplies had to be suspended in > Nanaimo, B.C., recently after a public outcry to allow for proper > consultation with the local community, including the mayor and city council. > > A needle exchange in Victoria will have to go mobile after complaints > that a brand new downtown facility where it was to be housed with > other programs was too close to a private school. > > Richard Stanwick, the chief medical officer for the Vancouver Island > Health Authority, said that harm-reduction strategies don't just > protect the drug-users from HIV, Hepatitis C and abscesses, they also > prevent the outbreak of diseases that can spread to the rest of the > population, like tuberculosis and drug-resistant bacteria, as well as > reduce costly hospital stays for infected heart valves and > complications that come from contaminated or makeshift supplies. > > 'The real art of public health now,' he said, 'is going to be finding > ways to ensure that these programs are implemented in a fashion that > benefit the population we're targeting but at the same time addresses > the concerns of the broad population about where and how these > programs are going to be delivered.' > > At the Toronto symposium, Anna Costa said she wants to be > compassionate, but she witnesses drug deals from her balcony in a > neighbourhood east of downtown and has repeatedly had to eject people > who use her store bathroom to smoke rock. > > 'I'm 30 years old. Education and harm prevention has existed since I > was born and it doesn't feel like anything more than lip service,' > said the frustrated business owner. 'I hear about problem after > problem. One thing I didn't hear here are solutions.' > > > > +================================================================+ > This message was sent to phillipfiuty at hotmail.com. > To remove yourself from this email list, send email to > harmred-unsubscribe at list1.ga3.org > or visit your personal subscription management page at: > http://ga0.org/drcnet/smp.tcl?s=++kd8wg6r4mxdij8. > This email is Powered by Convio, Inc. http://www.convio.com > +================================================================+ More immediate than e-mail? Get instant access with Windows Live Messenger. Sign in to Windows Live Messenger, and enter for your chance to win $1000 a day?today until May 12th. 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And remembering that everyone has gotten through some bad shit really helped me today. Thanks for that reminder. "Be kinder than necessary because every body you meet is finding some battle." Just going back to face the music again today felt so... embarrassing yet I do feel a tiny bit better, and a tiny bit more free... even as its kind of exposing. "Oh what a tangled web we weave when at first we practice to deceive." It's like that freaking Hobbitt Lord of the Rings movie scene in my head these days with dusty cobwebs and cocooned by sticky silky chains of paralysis. At least walking into folks offices and saying, oh shit, look at the mess I've made, breaks off some layer of the grime. junky wrote: "who you are now is what matters, > not some screwed up thing you did a while ago, ect.... Thanks so much, love. xo rach From coss at blodgettsupply.com Tue Apr 1 20:51:04 2008 From: coss at blodgettsupply.com (Steve Coss) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 20:51:04 -0400 Subject: [Ibogaine] My last Ibogaine experience In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Matthew, I am so proud of you. It really sounds like you have turned that corner. Remember it took you a long time to get to this point. It will take a long time to get back everything that you missed, lost, didn't give a crap about , ect , ect. You can do it. You know that everyone here is pulling for you. You have given me the push I needed to get clean. Good luck and God Bless.... Oh and say hey to your bear friend if you see him again!!. I hope like hell I see the guides I had on my first trip with Ibo. They were amazingly funny and witty as well as insightful and VERY knowledgeable about how our existence has come to be.... Again Matthew I will put you in my prayers tonight Steve ________________________________ From: ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com [mailto:ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com] On Behalf Of Matthew Zielinski Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 7:09 PM To: ibogaine at mindvox.com Subject: [Ibogaine] My last ibogaine experience ________________________________ Sign in and you could WIN! Enter for your chance to win $1000 every day. Visit SignInAndWIN.ca today to learn more! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080401/52f18d8a/attachment.htm From bicuitboy714 at gmail.com Tue Apr 1 21:48:18 2008 From: bicuitboy714 at gmail.com (Randy Faulconer) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 21:48:18 -0400 Subject: [Ibogaine] My last ibogaine experience In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <29d165a30804011848u5f3fa9d7q17370d358830c2db@mail.gmail.com> Thanx a bunch Matt. It looks like to me that you got what you needed out of the treatment. Stay on it dude and keep in touch with me. Have you heard from Tink?? God bless her. Randy On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 7:09 PM, Matthew Zielinski wrote: > > > > > ------------------------------ > Sign in and you could WIN! Enter for your chance to win $1000 every day. Visit > SignInAndWIN.ca today to learn more! > > > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List Commands ::::::: (]=- > (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine :: [%][) > -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/attachments/20080401/c92ff9f0/attachment.htm From ibogamail at gmail.com Tue Apr 1 22:25:29 2008 From: ibogamail at gmail.com (Matt Shriver) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 20:25:29 -0600 Subject: [Ibogaine] mp3 of New Orleans ibogaine session and medical subculture web page In-Reply-To: References: <193091.47634.qm@web28610.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47F2EE99.2070802@gmail.com> Hi Rachel I have never heard so much of your story before, or at least I don't remember reading it, so thanks for that. I had thought that your husband had gotten clean from ibogaine a while ago for some reason. And I guess maybe he had but it didn't stick from the sound of it. That sounds like a tough spot you find yourself in now. I don't know sometimes, I agree with what I think it was Simon who said, there is honesty and then there is TMI (too much information). But it seems to me that with people who you are choosing to have close to you, close friends and often but not always, family members, it is better to risk the TMI then to be on the side of not revealing enough. It is also true that sometimes not revealing information is a form of dishonesty. Sometimes it is a hard line to walk, especially to walk gracefully which reminds me of another one of those trite recovery sayings that is nonetheless true: you can't save your face and save your ass at the same time. The unspoken part is of course that it is better to save your ass and go ahead and risk losing face. But this is kind of all about honesty in recovery. Honesty when using is another matter, or so it was for me. I remember hearing an addict talking once about what it was like for him and he talked about when he was living on the streets and couch surfing, his family would track him down and invite him home for the holidays because they just wanted to see him on Christmas, they just wanted him to be there because they loved him and he was family. And he would say "oh yeah sure I'll be there." But inevitably he wouldn't make it. The junky life would happen and he would get way-layed and sidetracked and just wouldn't be there. But what he talked about was that when he said he would be there, he really wanted to be there. In fact when he was getting sidetracked by his junky life, he wanted to be there, he really did. But he just couldn't make it happen. He didn't get to make decisions and follow through on them. His ability to follow through on his decisions just wasn't there. And for me also it was like that. I got to where I would avoid the people I cared about because I couldn't treat them the way I would have liked. I treated everyone like shit, I used everyone, so if I really liked you, I showed it by avoiding you altogether. Sad but true. Matt Eye of the Bhogi wrote: > Thanks, Simon. > > I don't meant that the slogans are LITERALLY true. But that, in the > first one, it's like a little crutch to lean on. > > I married a recovering drug addict seven yers ago, and didn't > understand or recognize how secretive his way of life had become. Or > perceive how it might alter my way of dealing honestly and with > integrity with the "consenus reality." > > Sometimes when I would try to bring some air into the situation, he > would scream at me "Go ahead tell your mother, tell whoever you want > to." But now that I have, he is yelling at me about that too. > > I guess I was trying to protect him, and ended up hurting the > fundamental level of respect needed to stay in a marriage. > > Then, when he decided he wanted to do ibogaine and unchain himself > from dependence on the methadone clinic, again he insisted we not tell > his mother. But as a result of that, he effectively cut himself off > from the financial resources that might have helped him get better > aftercare than me sitting in the bathroom with him, holding his hand > for hours and hours of soaking through that month or two of POST ACUTE > WITHDRAWAL SYMPTOMS (PAWS). > > When he needed to do Ibogaine again, he again did it on his own terms. > And, messed up me, I enabled him. Although it was a major stress on > my own work and relationships, I let him move into my townhouse, I let > him go off and spend what limited money we had on "vacation" rather > than active healing support. And lo and behold, he started doing > other psychedelics, or something, and things have just gotten worse > and worse, not better. > > Now I'm back in our home apartment, trying to paint over the > bloodstains from the last run, and getting yelled at on the other end > of the phone. People from the Underground ask me what he's doing, and > this is how clueless I am. I've never done dope. I've never done > coke. I'm on that side of those lines. I just keep sipping my red > wine, and trying to hold it together. > > Red wine is not the best mental glue, as it turns out. > > Am I being manipulated? 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Best to ya, - Jim simon loxton wrote: It sounds like some of the methylated spirits drinkers here; some times they mix all kinds of shit together as a home brew type thing that they make in the townships; they contain everything to battery acid. Some people get really hooked on it; the sad thing is you see a lot of them around and they have kids which they get to do most of the begging; the signs of foetal alcohol syndrome are common. Very sad; I guess every place has some thing like this even in the first world. Another thing is that I was under the impression there were free methadone programs in the states like in Europe which I found out recently is not the case. I would like any further information if possible ----- Original Message ---- From: Matt Shriver To: The Ibogaine List Sent: Wednesday, 2 April, 2008 12:41:51 AM Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I'm not going to stand by and watch citizens die Its aquanet that they drink around here. In some vacant lots you can find piles of those cans with the nozzles busted off. Its easier for them. They can spare change a few bucks to buy a can and get their drunk on without having to get a lot of money together. Pretty sad. Matt Randy Faulconer wrote: I wonder what else is in the Lysol that those people are drinking?? WTF?? I never heard about that one!! That sound so desperate to be drinking Lysol, but from the looks of the story it looks like those people are doing it every day. Canada has to eventually pay for the health care of those poor people, so it makes sense to me to just give them some wine or something like that. Peace Love and Solidarity Randy On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 12:56 PM, Matthew Zielinski wrote: Vancouver is a crazy city!! The east side looks like a fucken war zone with palid manequins stagering around chasing their next fix. Im glad Im done with that shit!! Healthy Regards Matt From: phillipfiuty at hotmail.com To: ibogaine at mindvox.com Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 10:44:18 -0500 Subject: [Ibogaine] I'm not going to stand by and watch citizens die 'I'm not going to stand by and watch citizens die and our disease > rates go up because we have a bunch of dinosaurs for a prime minister > and a government,' Oh, Canada! PF > > Newshawk: CMAP http://www.mapinc.org/cmap > Pubdate: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 > Source: National Post (Canada) > Webpage: http://www.nationalpost.com/todays_paper/story.html?id=411240 > Copyright: 2008 Southam Inc. > Contact: letters at nationalpost.com > Website: http://www.nationalpost.com/ > Details: http://www.mapinc.org/media/286 > Author: Allison Hanes, with files from Kelly Grant > Cited: Vancouver Coastal Health Insite http://www.vch.ca/sis/ > Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/hr.htm (Harm Reduction) > Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/find?137 (Needle Exchange) > Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/topic/Insite (Insite) > Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/topic/Downtown+Eastside > Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/find?142 (Supervised Injection Sites) > Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/find?199 (Mandatory Minimum Sentencing) > > NEEDLES AND THE DAMAGE DONE > > As the Conservatives Pursue a Drug Policy Eschewing Harm Reduction, > Provinces Are Moving the Other Way > > Long before Edmonton got its first needle-exchange program in the > 1980s, a group called the Non-Beverage Alcohol Coalition lobbied for > inner-city liquor stores to open longer hours and against merchants > who knowingly sold cans of Listerine and Chinese cooking oil for the > purpose of intoxication. > > The idea behind their efforts was part of a movement dubbed harm > reduction that has been part of the fight against addiction and > substance abuse for decades, spawning such controversial phenomena as > free crack paraphernalia in Ottawa, wine for the homeless in Toronto > and, most notably, supervised drug-injection sites in Vancouver's > notorious Downtown Eastside. > > 'We had store owners in the city of Edmonton who were selling Lysol > to aboriginal people with a nail so they could puncture the can and > get the alcohol and making a lot of money doing it,' recalled Hope > Hunter, the executive director of the Boyle Street Community Health > Services, which for 37 years has operated programs for sex trade > workers and drug addicts in a low-income swath of the Alberta > capital. 'A harm-reduction approach says, 'I'm not trying to stop you > from drinking. I'm trying to make sure what you're drinking is safe.' ' > > This philosophy has become the orthodoxy among front-line outreach > workers who say it saves lives and prevents the spread of disease, > but is decried by critics, including a drug-enforcement agency > connected to the United Nations, as enabling addicts to continue > their dangerous lifestyles in violation of the law. > > Harm reduction plays no part in the Conservative government's new > $64-million National Anti-Drug Strategy, which sets aside money for > prevention campaigns, law enforcement and treatment, and would > institute mandatory minimum sentences for traffickers, producers and > dealers who sell to young people. > > But even as the federal government pursues a get-tough approach, some > of Canada's biggest cities and many provinces are moving to the > opposite extreme. > > This week in Toronto, Mayor David Miller gave the opening address at > a conference of social-service agencies, community groups and even > some addicts, where the consensus was that prohibiting drugs makes > the trade more lucrative, stiffer sentences punish the sick and the > best way to reduce crime around substance abuse is to give junkies a > safe place to smoke and shoot up. > > 'We know from research around the world that harm-reduction programs > work,' Mr. Miller said at the event in council chambers. > > The City of Toronto offers three harm-reduction programs. Since 1989 > it has distributed clean needles to intravenous-drug users and since > 2006, it has handed out 'safer crack kits' to crack-cocaine smokers > -- which include glass stems, mouthpieces and metal screens to keep > users from burning or cutting their lips. Wine is also provided to > the homeless at Seaton House, a city-run men's shelter. > > Such programs continue to run despite the federal government's > opposition, funded by various other levels of government where they > find sympathy. > > The City of Ottawa began distributing 'safer inhalation kits' for > crack users in 2005, but when council revoked its support last year, > the province rescued the program, which continues through the > Centretown Community Health Centre. > > If there is a showdown looming between those who view harm reduction > as non-judgmental realism and those who see it as condoning crime, it > is likely to be over Insite, the supervised injection site in > Vancouver's Downtown Eastside. > > Run by the Vancouver Coastal Health Authority as a pilot project > since 2003, the program is funded by the city and the province, but > the federal government holds the licence. > > Insite has more than 7,000 registered users and an average of 600 > individuals a day stop in to get high -- 12% on morphine, 27% on > cocaine and a staggering 40% on heroine -- under the watchful eye of > public health nurses. As of 2006, there were 453 overdoses but no > fatalities and more than 4,000 junkies were referred for counselling. > > The UN's International Narcotics Control Board disapproves of Insite > for violating anti-drug conventions. A leaked report in 2006 from the > RCMP's Drugs and Organized Crime Awareness program criticized the > project for encouraging injection-drug use. The Conservative > government threatened to pull Insite's licence and, after a battle > last year, it extended the permit, but only until June. > > Supporters, such as Senator Larry Campbell, a former Vancouver mayor, > have personally vowed to keep Insite open if the federal government > tries to shut it down -- 'even if they arrest me,' he said in a phone > interview this week. > > 'I'm not going to stand by and watch citizens die and our disease > rates go up because we have a bunch of dinosaurs for a prime minister > and a government,' he said. > > Despite the support of front-line experts, residents in most > communities remain unconvinced of the merits of programs that provide > addicts with the tools and space to feed their high-risk habits. > > The distribution of crack-pipe supplies had to be suspended in > Nanaimo, B.C., recently after a public outcry to allow for proper > consultation with the local community, including the mayor and city council. > > A needle exchange in Victoria will have to go mobile after complaints > that a brand new downtown facility where it was to be housed with > other programs was too close to a private school. > > Richard Stanwick, the chief medical officer for the Vancouver Island > Health Authority, said that harm-reduction strategies don't just > protect the drug-users from HIV, Hepatitis C and abscesses, they also > prevent the outbreak of diseases that can spread to the rest of the > population, like tuberculosis and drug-resistant bacteria, as well as > reduce costly hospital stays for infected heart valves and > complications that come from contaminated or makeshift supplies. > > 'The real art of public health now,' he said, 'is going to be finding > ways to ensure that these programs are implemented in a fashion that > benefit the population we're targeting but at the same time addresses > the concerns of the broad population about where and how these > programs are going to be delivered.' > > At the Toronto symposium, Anna Costa said she wants to be > compassionate, but she witnesses drug deals from her balcony in a > neighbourhood east of downtown and has repeatedly had to eject people > who use her store bathroom to smoke rock. > > 'I'm 30 years old. Education and harm prevention has existed since I > was born and it doesn't feel like anything more than lip service,' > said the frustrated business owner. 'I hear about problem after > problem. One thing I didn't hear here are solutions.' > > > > +================================================================+ > This message was sent to phillipfiuty at hotmail.com. > To remove yourself from this email list, send email to > harmred-unsubscribe at list1.ga3.org > or visit your personal subscription management page at: > http://ga0.org/drcnet/smp.tcl?s=++kd8wg6r4mxdij8. > This email is Powered by Convio, Inc. http://www.convio.com > +================================================================+ More immediate than e-mail? Get instant access with Windows Live Messenger. Sign in to Windows Live Messenger, and enter for your chance to win $1000 a day???today until May 12th. 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