[Ibogaine] Ibogaine Synthesis (and a question)

simon loxton simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk
Thu Sep 27 19:42:41 EDT 2007

I am kind of using the term "for kicks" the same as the reason why some one would go huff some glue. I thought that would be obvious no matter what substance is being used its the reasoning behind the use, I cant put it more plainly than that.

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From: Douglas Fraser <doug_fraser at microcinema.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, 28 September, 2007 12:07:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Synthesis (and a question)

Carlton B wrote:
> On 9/27/07, simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> Funny enough I was discussing the unlikelihood of people using ibogaine for
>> kicks and according to the guys I recently spent some time with, there are
>> people in Gabon who do just that, in fact his brother was the example that
>> he used. He said allot of people take it with honey to avoid the bitterness
>> but it seems that it also has the potential to be abused or misused.
>> Obviously nobody takes the kind of dosage that is used during initiation or
>> addiction interruption (if you want to be politically correct about the
>> terminology) but it is still being used for kicks.
> I get a little tetchy when people characterize other peoples' use of
> entheogens as "for kicks".   Just because one doesn't light candles
> and chant doesn't mean that their use of a substance is devoid of
> spirituality, even if, lord forbid, they actually get a bit of joy and
> pleasure out of it.  

so what's the difference between a junky (or having the attitude of one) 
and "spiritual use"?  You can call whatever an "entheogen" all you want, 
but if you're still an asshole after coming down, you haven't learned 


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