[Ibogaine] Lee suboxone

Nyc W. Alberts digitalcomponents at gmail.com
Sun Sep 23 20:50:08 EDT 2007


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Matthew Shriver wrote:
>
> Hi Lee
>
>  
>
> I feel like I am responding to a lot of your posts all of a sudden.  
> Anyway I think you said something key here when you said "I keep 
> pretending didn't happen".  It's trite but it's nevertheless true that 
> "The truth shall set you free".  I think self deception is a recipe 
> for discomfort.  The ONLY path to freedom from that discomfort is to 
> honestly face it and accept it.  That doesn't mean you have to like 
> it, just let it be what it already is.  Sounds like your mom is doing 
> something very similar.  When the truth is too horrible to bear I 
> think it is only natural to seek solace in denial.  Make up a story 
> about it and believe that instead.  But as I said, the price is 
> continual discomfort which ultimately can manifest as a whole host of 
> other problems.
>
>  
>
> Matt
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> *From:* ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com 
> [mailto:ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com] *On Behalf Of *LEE
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 23, 2007 4:16 PM
> *To:* The Ibogaine List
> *Subject:* Re: [Ibogaine] Lee suboxone
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> chi,
>
> thanks tons!
>
> id rather stay away from suboxone and not have to step down... Im 
> going to put ibogiane into my body and get off the opiates, but the 
> biggest part, is  I need to get over my childhood that I keep 
> pretending didn't happen... as marc has been pointing out, my dad 
> worked all the hours that I was home from school so he was gone all 
> the time except for saturdays and sundays... he molested us kids when 
> he was home and hated me especially... I keep thinking that it wasn't 
> a big deal and I don't have to deal with it, but as marc has wrote 
> about absent parents, ive realised how it hurt me as a child and how 
> im keeping my defenses up still, even tho I don't have to... I thought 
> my mom was normal, but im finding that I hate her more and more, ever 
> single day as I remember telling her about my dad abusing my sister 
> and my brothers said that they told her too... I said something to her 
> a couple years ago, and she denied it... anyway.;.. I need to deal 
> with all that and I think with some counceling,some ibo, and some 
> love, that  I can deal with, and get on with my life, not having to 
> feel like a lost little kid at 32.... anyway...........
>
>  
>
> j
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>     ----- Original Message -----
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>     *From:* chi malan <mailto:louchichi at hotmail.com>
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>     *To:* ibogaine at mindvox.com <mailto:ibogaine at mindvox.com>
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>     *Sent:* Sunday, September 23, 2007 4:23 AM
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>     *Subject:* Re: [Ibogaine] Lee suboxone
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>     >From: "LEE" <JUNKBOY64 at MSN.COM <mailto:JUNKBOY64 at MSN.COM>>
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>     >Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] suboxone
>     >Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 19:08:18 -0600
>     >
>     >
>     >matt,
>     >im starting to think, that's what I may do.... just reading on the
>     list has
>     >gotten me to go look more into the suboxone, and its sounds just
>     as scary
>     >as methadone... I wont do the methadone, so I may go back to the
>     morphine,
>     >as I can get that about 100 times cheaper than the oxys..... im
>     going to do
>     >a little more research and then decide... but so far, it sounds
>     like doing
>     >the short acting opiates will make things much easier with less
>     problems
>     >and depression......
>     >lee/junky
>     >
>     hey Lee, long time know speak. after my semi failed attempt at ibo
>     (it got
>     me off methadone) i went 22mg of suboxone. for me, it is great.
>     nothing like
>     methadone at all. kills the cravings and i dont feel like a zombie
>     letting
>     time slide past as i did on done. it was a bit hard a first for me
>     ive had
>     an anxiety problem my whole life and suffer from ptsd and suboxone
>     does make
>     you very anxious for the first couple of weeks till you stablise.
>     all that
>     aside, i had another reduction last week and im now down to 16mg. the
>     reductions are a lot easier than methadone reductions so you can
>     take bigger
>     steps if you feel comfortable enough to do that.
>     i hope all goes well, best wishesm chi x
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