[Ibogaine] suboxone

chi malan louchichi at hotmail.com
Sun Sep 23 06:34:06 EDT 2007


you're right simon, its not the same thing, its got narcan in it


>From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
>Reply-To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] suboxone
>Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 20:04:50 +0000 (GMT)
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>Here we are, first site I checked "She's been taking Suboxone, which has 
>some buprenorphine in it, but unfortunately the naloxone component is 
>notorious for making depression much worse","
>  Suboxone causes depression and mood swings. Its very hard to be happy 
>while taking suboxone, especially if you are taking high doses.","i would 
>highly suggest anyone on suboxone to switch to subutex. Dont let your 
>doctor tell you its the same thing. It may have the same thing, but its 
>totally different";"These meds help with the withdrawals but the pain is 
>just waiting. I stopped suboxone from 6mg a day and on the fourth day I 
>wanted to kill myself. Who ever says suboxone is easy to come off is a 
>better person then I am. It sucks. Not saying that subutex is much easier 
>to come off of,but at least it allows you to live a normal life."
>I found these quite easily so I am sure with a bit of surfing you should be 
>able to dig up allot of information.
>
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>----- Original Message ----
>From: Adam Nodelman <jonathanswiftboat at yahoo.com>
>To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>Sent: Saturday, 22 September, 2007 6:03:23 PM
>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] suboxone
>
>REALLY,WOW. if someone is prone to depression then maybe this may bring it 
>out.can you expand on what your friends said?im worried about my friend,and 
>her doctor is very cynical and thinks my friend just wants to get high.but 
>this is bigger then just wanting klonapins or something.can i get in touch 
>with your friends?anyone else know of any corelation between suboxone and 
>depression.?dr ken,where are you?   adam
>
>simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>I have heard about people becoming suicidal and heavily depressed. This is 
>just from people that were on it themselves. I don't know how many were 
>prone depression but is is a factor for sure.
>
>
>----- Original Message ----
>From: Adam Nodelman <jonathanswiftboat at yahoo.com>
>To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
>Sent: Saturday, 22 September, 2007 4:15:25 PM
>Subject: [Ibogaine] suboxone
>
>changing the subject,i have a question if any one can help me out;it 
>concernes suboxone(bupe+naltrexone)someone near and dear to me has been on 
>this medication with good results for several months now.said person got on 
>suboxone because of frequent relaspes,despite several iboga treatments over 
>the years.with suboxone the relaspes have stopped,said person is following 
>the instructions,not doing the 48 hr thing in order to use,so that much is 
>going well.however,my friend has had depression and anxiety issues in the 
>past which have come back hard .im wondering if anyone knows anything about 
>depression,and suboxone.ive heard strange tales about mental things 
>happening after getting off suboxone,but what about durring treatment?  
>adam
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