[Ibogaine] The War on Consciousness , Marc Emery

Luke Christoffersen luke.christoffersen at gmail.com
Sat Sep 22 08:53:17 EDT 2007


Hi Simon,
              I'm curious as to what effects booster like 300mg have 24
hours or so into the trip?   Does it bring back the visions?  I think I'd
have visions pretty much even taking just the 300mgs though the effects
might be different after having been though the main dose.

Luke


On 9/22/07, simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> I have had success with a waiting period of 10-12 hours or until
> withdrawal starts before dosing with opiates other than methadone, I don't
> think its necessary to wait 24 hours before dosing because then that person
> will be in full blown withdrawal and what I am personally trying to achieve
> is to eliminate any discomfort. Heroin or opiate addicts have a fear of
> withdrawal and I find that if they are still feeling OK when they take
> ibogaine they have a better experience and don't confuse some of the side
> affects the second day with withdrawal. I also don't work by a rule as such
> only a guide line as every one is different. With methadone depending on the
> dose I have found 24 hours enough and even a booster of 300mg total 24 to 48
> hrs later was fine if needed at all. I would like to know why you think it
> necessary to wait 24 hours before dosing with heroin addiction for instance?
> I have had success with a ten hour gap and no boosters only Valium after 48
> hrs to help to induce sleep and relieve the irritability.
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Marc Emery <Marc420Emery at shaw.ca>
> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Sent: Saturday, 22 September, 2007 4:11:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] The War on Consciousness , Marc Emery
>
> I would have methadone users go 48 hours from their last use before giving
> them ibogaine HCI. You'd need to sweat the patient a bit otherwise the
> ibogaine can't really do the job 24 hours after last methadone use. Heroin,
> morphine, methamphetamine, cocaine, I made them go 24 hours from last drug
> use before giving them ibogaine.
> Marc Emery
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
> Date: Friday, September 21, 2007 2:38 pm
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] The War on Consciousness , Marc Emery
> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>
> > Normally you have to wait 24 hours before dosing when methadone
> > is involved(at least). how much time was in between the last
> > dose of methadone and the dose of ibogaine? What dosage was
> > recommended?
> > At least everything worked out in the end, I cant comment on the rest.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: John Schwarzkopf <jmcreature at telus.net>
> > To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> > Sent: Friday, 21 September, 2007 10:21:14 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] The War on Consciousness , Marc Emery
> >
> >
> > The temptation has grown since I got back on the list somehow??
> > and  got to
> > read the post from and about Marc Emery..
> >
> > I wanted to say BEWARE OF MARC EMERY!!
> >
> > Marc recommended a woman to treat John (who had been on
> > Methadone for 5
> > years),Linette.
> > Marc attended one of the pre-treatment meeting with us and he
> > took Linette
> > to our home the night
> > of the treatment and collected the second half of the payment.
> >
> > (At some point between the pre-treatment meeting and the
> > treatment Linette
> > called us and said something like "John is gonna die! John is
> > gonna die! I
> > can't do this treatment!!
> > I don't want to go to jail!! My family don't have money to bail
> > me out!My
> > family can't afford a good lawyer! John is gonna die !!" She was
> > completely
> > hysteric and refused to give
> > us back the half of the payment we already given her (she said
> > she had
> > spent some of the money on Indra which is kind of funny since in
> > the end we
> > used HCL(which we trusted better anyhow))).
> >
> >
> > The treatment went fine (Linette called  Marc every hour to
> > report on what
> > was happening) and Linette asked to go home early after 24
> > hours( if I
> > remember well)
> > because she was coming up with a cold.
> > I gave her a ride home. and thanked her.. I was so happy..though
> > we had paid
> > her (or someone.. she told us that Marc and the Iboga house were
> > getting
> > some $$ and Marc told us that
> > he was not taking any of the cash, just holding it for Linette)
> > , I was
> > thinking of buying her a present for her help!!
> >
> >
> > I think it was the next day that John started to have
> > withdrawals.. at first
> > I thought it was in his head. but after a while I could see
> > physical
> > symptoms he couldn't have faked.
> >
> > I called Linette and she told me that John was not having
> > withdrawals. and
> > that she was going out for dinner with her family who was
> > visiting from
> > Winnipeg.
> > Also contacted Marc Emery.. couldn't help.
> >
> > I was very lucky that Eric Taub explained to  me (on the
> > phone) what was
> > happening and recommended booster doses.
> >
> > Called Linette again. She was too busy. Didn't believe we needed
> > the
> > boosters. Agreed to give us some Indra .. enough for one
> > booster.. in 2 or 3
> > days.
> >
> > That's when we dug out a HCL stash John had had for years.
> > bought it from
> > someone.. didn't know if it was what it was supposed to be.
> > didn't know if
> > it had lost potency.
> > but that was all we had.  And NO SCALE!! as i tried to
> > figure who I could
> > call to go get me a scale and bring it over.. John decided to
> > just guess and
> > helped himself to a booster dose.
> >
> > It worked. John had to take a few booster doses but it worked.
> > And Linette
> > was mad that John took booster doses, she said it messed with
> > her data!!
> >
> > If we hadn't had that stash John would have had to either do
> > dope or
> > methadone ?? and what are the dangers of that???
> > How long after Ibogaine is it safe to take anything??
> >
> > Marc Emery and his friend put us in a situation way worse that
> > where we had
> > been in the first place.
> >
> > My idea is that they didn't know about booster doses . Didn't
> > know that
> > methadone users are more likely to require them.
> >
> > Other people said that John's treatment was a set up and that he
> > was
> > supposed to relapse. (That Marc's crew knew full well he would
> > need
> > boosters).
> > I have to attribute this to paranoia.
> > Or is it a possibility?
> >
> > I think it would be very wrong for Canada to extradite Marc Emery.
> > but I would feel way better knowing he wasn't treating people
> > with Ibogaine.
> >
> > If you get treated by his crew for Methadone  I'd recommend
> > having a stash
> > of Ibogaine handy in case they drop you  half way.
> >
> > Catherine Morency
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Patrick K. Kroupa" <digital at phantom.com>
> > To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>; "The War on
> > Consciousness"
> > <drugwar at mindvox.com>; <sacrament at mindvox.com>;
> > <vox at mindvox.com>;
> > <crashtestdummies at mindvox.com>; <resurrection at mindvox.com>
> > Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 2:01 AM
> > Subject: [Ibogaine] The War on Consciousness
> >
> >
> > >
> > > If you have any interest whatsoever regarding the negative
> > impact of
> > > the War on Consciousness; I meant to say DRUGS -- PLEASE take the
> > > time to check out the following link, and take some sort of action.
> > >
> > > http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/4639.html
> > >
> > > Even if you're broke, you can write a letter or make a phone call.
> > >
> > > Amongst his other projects, Marc Emery is the founder of Iboga
> > > Therapy House, and has devoted a tremendous amount of his time,
> > > effort and cashflow, to helping drug-dependent individuals obtain
> > > free access to ibogaine.
> > >
> > > His extradition hearing has been scheduled to begin on
> > November 5th,
> > > 2007.
> > >
> > > If you support drug-reform, harm reduction, or basic human liberty
> > > and freedom of choice, please take a few minutes and do
> > whatever you
> > > can.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Patrick
> > >
> > >
> > >
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