[Ibogaine] Detox or Die link to documentary

Capt Kirk captkirknz at yahoo.co.uk
Sat Sep 22 01:27:12 EDT 2007

detox or die doco.

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From: Capt Kirk <captkirknz at yahoo.co.uk>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 5:17:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Detox or Die

Ibogaine in NZ isn't scheduled yet......so it's not legal and its not illegal, what that means in terms of prosecution.... not a clue....
As for dosage.....I wonder if the higher 30 would have been a step-dose treatment... which can go on for a few days before flood.. then boosters after which would up the amount taken all up.  It's better to have more than enough, esp. for potential booster if needed.  That doesn't help if looking to keep down the $$ thing lol.
What needs to be remembered is that it's methadone, and as miraculous as the effects of ibogaine are for it, your body is still going through a detox.  If you remember in detox or die, the provider asked him to compare how he felt to how he would have felt.  There just isn't any comparison.  Loads of water, appropriate supplements and good nutrition helps heaps.  Your body feels like somebody poured concrete in it afterwards..... i found swinging helped! (No, NOT in the sexual sense.....at a playground lol). Zombies dawn of the dead is how you move lol.

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From: Pero Ki <peroki at nasa.la>
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Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 4:00:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Detox or Die

what's the relationship between the amount of methadone your on, how long you've been on it and the amount of hcl you need? I've been seeing various rec/doses between 13 & 20perkg right up to 30, as far as I know my helper is of the thought 14 is enough, but I just read marcs rec of 20. I wish I just had the medical concerns but the reality is there is a meaty financial one to! I'm not too worried about a managable amount of discomfort, but for the $, legal risk and the hype I'd like to know I'm stacking the odds in favour of victory.

On Sat Sep 22 05:16 , 'Matthew Shriver' sent:

I came off of 74mg/day methadone with a single hcl dose of about 22-23 mg/kg.  I had no boosters and it was not very uncomfortable (in terms of withdrawal anyway).  That was over 4 years ago and I have never looked back.  Just my experience though, everyone’s a little different.

From: ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com [mailto:ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com] On Behalf Of Pero Ki
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 9:06 PM
To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Detox or Die
I recently viewed this documentary & found it very compelling as I'm attempting to overcome the various difficulties (mainly $$) to get free from 'evildone'. Firstly does anyone know if this doco' is available on-line. Second, I thought it relevant to the current discussion/argument(!?) as he was coming off methadone and appeared to be taking the bark powder, tester then initiatory dose, afterwards he worried it hadn't worked as he felt withdrawal. In the voice-over he said that the symptoms passed quite quickly (relatively) then it cuts to much later and he's fine and 'cured'. Yet from this mailing list I'm finding it quite difficult to see a consensus on dose/s or a clear picture of what to expect. I have people more knowledgeable than myself to help me do this, but as someone said earlier- it's important to know for yourself what you're doing and in for, or just to make such a big move in the first place. I'm sure if there are others in my position
 out there, this is the stuff they want to know & importantly, that they can trust.

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