[Ibogaine] The War on Consciousness , Marc Emery

John Schwarzkopf jmcreature at telus.net
Fri Sep 21 19:50:47 EDT 2007


Hey Adam!!

thanks for your post.
I feel that someone heard me!!

I don't think they wanted to do a second treatment . I think it was part ignorance and part time constraint.
Didn't know much about boosters. didn't want to spend the time.  
Hell, even a bit of greed.. They didn't want to supply the extra ibogaine.

Catherine
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Adam Nodelman 
  To: The Ibogaine List 
  Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 3:52 PM
  Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] The War on Consciousness , Marc Emery


  unreal.im really sorry you had to deal with that.it blows my mind.while im not so sure that this utter lack of ethics and responsibility was contrived to set up a 2nd treatment(that would be pure evil)this to me at least sounds like what used to happen with 1 or more treatment providers that shall remain nameless.someone provided the iboga,took the $$  but when it was treatment time,was no where to be found.instead producing someone as a treatment provider who obviously had no or very little understanding concerning addiction,or iboga.it boils the blood.im betting that no one was told about the complications involving methadone(xtra boosters)this to me is my main concern with iboga treatments in this day and age;that the treatment provider takes moral and ethical responsibility for their treatment.that being said,this is one side of the story and mark has the right to respond.but i know of situations in the past(not with mark)where patients were given false info,paid alot of $ and were  left slowly twisting in the ill winds of mehadone withdrawl.to me thats worse then the most evil 12 step,anti-drug zealot.one should be very careful,kara wise- if one where to misuse the plant in this way.not cool at all.   adam

  John Schwarzkopf <jmcreature at telus.net> wrote:

    The temptation has grown since I got back on the list somehow?? and got to 
    read the post from and about Marc Emery..

    I wanted to say BEWARE OF MARC EMERY!!

    Marc recommended a woman to treat John (who had been on Methadone for 5 
    years),Linette.
    Marc attended one of the pre-treatment meeting with us and he took Linette 
    to our home the night
    of the treatment and collected the second half of the payment.

    (At some point between the pre-treatment meeting and the treatment Linette 
    called us and said something like "John is gonna die! John is gonna die! I 
    can't do this treatment!!
    I don't want to go to jail!! My family don't have money to bail me out!My 
    family can't afford a good lawyer! John is gonna die !!" She was completely 
    hysteric and refused to give
    us back the half of the payment we already given her (she said she had 
    spent some of the money on Indra which is kind of funny since in the end we 
    used HCL(which we trusted better anyhow))).


    The treatment went fine (Linette called Marc every hour to report on what 
    was happening) and Linette asked to go home early after 24 hours( if I 
    remember well)
    because she was coming up with a cold.
    I gave her a ride home. and thanked her.. I was so happy..though we had paid 
    her (or someone.. she told us that Marc and the Iboga house were getting 
    some $$ and Marc told us that
    he was not taking any of the cash, just holding it for Linette) , I was 
    thinking of buying her a present for her help!!


    I think it was the next day that John started to have withdrawals.. at first 
    I thought it was in his head. but after a while I could see physical 
    symptoms he couldn't have faked.

    I called Linette and she told me that John was not having withdrawals. and 
    that she was going out for dinner with her family who was visiting from 
    Winnipeg.
    Also contacted Marc Emery.. couldn't help.

    I was very lucky that Eric Taub explained to me (on the phone) what was 
    happening and recommended booster doses.

    Called Linette again. She was too busy. Didn't believe we needed the 
    boosters. Agreed to give us some Indra .. enough for one booster.. in 2 or 3 
    days.

    That's when we dug out a HCL stash John had had for years. bought it from 
    someone.. didn't know if it was what it was supposed to be. didn't know if 
    it had lost potency.
    but that was all we had. And NO SCALE!! as i tried to figure who I could 
    call to go get me a scale and bring it over.. John decided to just guess and 
    helped himself to a booster dose.

    It worked. John had to take a few booster doses but it worked. And Linette 
    was mad that John took booster doses, she said it messed with her data!!

    If we hadn't had that stash John would have had to either do dope or 
    methadone ?? and what are the dangers of that???
    How long after Ibogaine is it safe to take anything??

    Marc Emery and his friend put us in a situation way worse that where we had 
    been in the first place.

    My idea is that they didn't know about booster doses . Didn't know that 
    methadone users are more likely to require them.

    Other people said that John's treatment was a set up and that he was 
    supposed to relapse. (That Marc's crew knew full well he would need 
    boosters).
    I have to attribute this to paranoia.
    Or is it a possibility?

    I think it would be very wrong for Canada to extradite Marc Emery.
    but I would feel way better knowing he wasn't treating people with Ibogaine.

    If you get treated by his crew for Methadone I'd recommend having a stash 
    of Ibogaine handy in case they drop you half way.

    Catherine Morency




    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: "Patrick K. Kroupa" 
    To: "The Ibogaine List" ; "The War on Consciousness" 
    ; ; ; 
    ; 
    Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 2:01 AM
    Subject: [Ibogaine] The War on Consciousness


    >
    > If you have any interest whatsoever regarding the negative impact of
    > the War on Consciousness; I meant to say DRUGS -- PLEASE take the
    > time to check out the following link, and take some sort of action.
    >
    > http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/4639.html
    >
    > Even if you're broke, you can write a letter or make a phone call.
    >
    > Amongst his other projects, Marc Emery is the founder of Iboga
    > Therapy House, and has devoted a tremendous amount of his time,
    > effort and cashflow, to helping drug-dependent individuals obtain
    > free access to ibogaine.
    >
    > His extradition hearing has been scheduled to begin on November 5th,
    > 2007.
    >
    > If you support drug-reform, harm reduction, or basic human liberty
    > and freedom of choice, please take a few minutes and do whatever you
    > can.
    >
    > Thanks,
    >
    > Patrick
    >
    >
    >
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