[Ibogaine] PATRICK/Chat Room

simon loxton simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk
Fri Sep 21 05:43:20 EDT 2007

Hi Kirky,
I have not gone through the whole page of what they offer but you say you use it on yous site,  what is your web address?
I guess if you recommend it it must work pretty well, I am just interested as it would be a great way for people who have been through treatment to have their version of an NA meeting of just chat. I will go read about it when I have more time but if you have any thing more to say on it that would be great, Take care

----- Original Message ----
From: Capt Kirk <captkirknz at yahoo.co.uk>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, 21 September, 2007 8:08:33 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] PATRICK/Chat Room

Hi Patrick.....we use this on our website..  it's a good un... I'll even pay the one off $5 for it!  I rekkon it could help heaps with the noise....
Koiky xx

----- Original Message ----
From: Patrick K. Kroupa <digital at phantom.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 3:05:28 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Please Read Me

On Sep 20, 2007, at 10:20 PM, aktionman at phantom.com wrote:

>> all
>> these "unsubscribe me" emails are giving me an almost overwhelming  
>> urge to
>> act like a total a-hole.
> don't worry doOd......i succame( is that past tense for succumb?)  
> to one
> earlier 2day. his whine about not being able to dissappear just got  
> to me,
> so i sent him a personal(off list) rant. it felt good!!!! being an  
> a-hole
> is ok if you choose the right moment. i'm ok now......ever'one can  
> come
> back in the room now!!!!!!
> i just couldn't take it anymore. it was just like 1 of those aa  
> meetings
> where sum guy snaps at another for complaining about the same thing  
> over &
> over.
> p,l & u
> marcus

Marcus, please tell me that you're doing alla that from your own  
account at AOL...  'Cuz, see, if you're taking it upon yourself to  
start sending out hate mail to people, using an @phantom.com account;  
what you're doing is basically saying thanks, by causing even more  
headaches for us.

How many people have @phantom.com accounts?  I honestly dunno  
exactly, but there's Howard, Dana, Eric, a small handful of our  
friends and oh, yeah, you.

Try to pull back from the screen and not take it all so personally.   
This is a small fraction of what flies by elsewhere, if I got bent  
out of shape over all this, I would just be upset all the time.  It's  
not worth the hassle, and it makes people who land here and want to  
know about ibogaine, just look like they stepping into a perpetual  

Yes, this is partially our fault.  In some cases accounts that signed  
in and signed out a year ago, have been pulled back in.  Some people  
reacted with, "Oh, hey, neat!  Hi again!"  Others had violent  
psychotic outbursts.  Shit happens.

This is due to the fact that in case you haven't noticed, *I* am not  
MindVox all by myself.  I have partners.  Their main priority is  
really not the ibogaine list.  "Lessee, so, we've been hosting this  
for nearly a decade, at X amount of dollars per month * I don't wanna  
think about how many years.  It generates absolutely no money,  
displays no ads, and you're never going to charge anyone for it.   
Gosh, we are THRILLED BEYOND BELIEF to host it."  Not everybody is  
drug-dependent or focused entirely on the worlds of drugs (whitelight  
or darkside molecules), basically ... my partners don't give a shit  
and put up with it, because it's my weird hobby.

Some accounts re-exist because a script that reassembled the list was  
not carefully date-check and tested.  It was THING TO DO #2027, seems  
to work, we're done, NEXT.  YES everyone who is here HAS SIGNED  
THEMSELVES ONTO THE LIST ... at some point, but perhaps they signed  
off, or they just drifted out into space because the probes the old  
system sent never arrived.  The machines were overloaded and slow.   
In some cases people who never signed off, have simply re-arrived,  
after a Mysterious Year-Long Silence.

Yes, my honest response is, "You're a fuckin' idiot."  But then  
again, on the flipside, that's my response to a lotta shit human  
beings seem to spend their time doing.  I don't take it personally.   
Yes, the average human being has a room temperature IQ.  Is this some  
shocking discovery that you've never noticed before?

Whatever the case is ... please don't send out hate mail and ranting  
using our domain.  Yeah, there's freedom of speech, but then when  
people bitch about it, ya know what ... we just get to hear MORE NOISE.


Thanks, please try to be excellent to one another for at least a week  
or two, until the lists stabilize.  Please try not to send out 5  
youtube videos a day, unless they pertain to ibogaine in some way.   
Just try to, ya know, chill ... be mellow, pretend you open up your  
mail and find 300 messages in it since a day ago, filled with ranting  
lunatics you forgot about.

Okay, some of you already have that scenario.  Me too, I've had the  
same email address since roughly the dawn of time, unfiltered I get  
10-12K pieces of email every 24 hours.  But, I'm used to that, my  
mail system is primarily designed to keep 99% of everything AWAY FROM  
ME.  Unfortunately this includes random mail from people who are not  
in my addressbook, that gets greylisted/tarpitted and will eventually  
land in some mail spool I may not see for 3 months.

But many other people don't.  They get 3 letters from their family  
members and hitting the Delete key confuses them.  They signed onto a  
list last year, it went dark, and now there are screaming drug  
lunatics back in their email.

They're all people, just like you.  And fuck yeah, I get it, many of  
you are all friends and it's cool to see other members of your tribe,  
when there's been silence for nearly 3 weeks.

If you guys want a live-chat, I'll see what I can do about setting  
one up.



p.s., A suggestion: If you are interested in ibogaine and somewhat  
overwhelmed by what's in your mailbox at the moment, you may want to  
set yourself to DIGEST MODE.  You can do that, or unsubscribe by  
clicking the link at the bottom of every single message; erm, what am  
I saying, nevermind.

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