[Ibogaine] church of scientology vs. ibogaine

Matthew Shriver Matt at ITSupport.net
Tue Sep 18 19:56:58 EDT 2007

There was a bunch of controversy here about a scientology based recovery
center that opened with public funding.  I was looking for one of the
articles about it from the past and found this
chance-program-divides-judges.html  I guess from what it says they are no
longer in operation here.  I remember reading about it last year and
thinking it was a bunch of crap.


And Joe you seriously need a jimmy kick for posting that thing about getting
off of the list after what Patrick sent out.

-----Original Message-----
From: ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com [mailto:ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com] On
Behalf Of Vector Vector
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 5:32 PM
To: The Ibogaine List
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] church of scientology vs. ibogaine

Mase I wouldn't want to revise my opinion of you, but I no longer think
of you only as a cranky old geezer. you're a funny old geezer, that was
brilliant! :)


--- Mason Shipley <maseshipley at gmail.com> wrote:

> This has got to be one of the dumbest most ill conceived ideas I've
> ever
> seen. As I've said here in the past, my background is the rooms and
> not
> having a great deal of success staying clean. I'm not seen much
> knowledge of
> ibogaine in any of the meetings I attend and the few who haveh heard
> of it
> are some in a fearing or angry space and it's another drug and others
> are
> more open. Though this is the first time I've seen an organized
> recovery
> group go out of their way to attack ibogaine. It's more then a little
> strange to see a group which is often attacked and accused of the
> very same
> brainwashing they're ranting about, turn around and pick a fight with
> ibogaine of all things?
> Not really sure I get what they're thinking. Whatever all they may
> be, the
> church of scientology is not stupid. What a leftist liberal group
> which is
> usually perceived as being more then a little nuts, hopes to achieve
> by
> attacking a plant used to detox people which is already schedule 1
> and
> mostly promoted by another group of leftist liberal nuts ;-)
> .......Why even
> bother, what is the outcome supposed to be? Maybe I'm not being
> sensitive
> enough but its like the black gay men group decided to pick a fight
> with the
> black lesbian women group.
> -Mase
> On 9/18/07, Adam Nodelman <jonathanswiftboat at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > yes,pot kettle , black,etc..only church of sci could come up with
> the
> > hypnotic suggestion thing,sacrament envy.just what do they think ol
> > was looking for out there in outer mongolia in is young
> days???anyway
> > whoever these evil scumbags are this falls inti that ol classic
> maoist
> > marxim(forgive me nick)something to the effect of it being good
> that our
> > enemy has attacked  us,therefore drawing a sharp contrast,or
> whatever
> > between us and them.  adam
> >
> > 
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