[Ibogaine] dogy ibogaine misinformation page

Dana Beal dana at phantom.com
Sun Sep 9 14:54:37 EDT 2007


They're on line. But I can send a PDF to anyone who wants one. Just ask.

Dana/cnw

On Sep 9, 2007, at 2:11 PM, Douglas Fraser wrote:

> well, I for one would love to have some Ecstasy flashbacks....
>
> for those of us who don't subscribe to these expensive publications,
> would you mind writing a brief synopsis?
>
> thanks
> doug
>
>
> Dana Beal wrote:
>> It's L. Ron Hubbard, alright. 1950's level mis-info. Fat around the
>> bloodvessels! I suggest everyone on the list read
>>
>> Dorit Ron and Patricia H. Janak "GDNF and Addiction"; Reviews in the
>> Neurosciences (2005)
>>
>> Dao-Yao He, Nancy McGough, Ajay Ravindranathan, Jerome Jeanblanc,  
>> Marian
>> Logrip, Khanhky Phamluong, Patricia Janak and Dorit    Ron "Glial  
>> Cell
>> Line-Derived Neurotropic Factor Mediates the Desirable Actions of the
>> Anti-Addiction Drug Ibogaine against Alcohol Consumption", Journal of
>> Neuro-Science (January, 2005)
>>
>> Dao-Yao He and Dorit Ron "Autoregulation of glial cell line-derived
>> neurotropic factor expression: implications for the long-lasting  
>> actions
>> of the anti-addiction drug, Ibogaine" The FASAEB Journal (October  
>> 3, 2006).
>>
>> Note that the date on these is 2005, not 1955.
>>
>> I have never seen any indication that hypnosis can act at a cellular
>> level to switch on a neurotropin (growth factor). However,
>> scientologists are not alone in their confusion of the effects of  
>> other
>> psychedelics such as LSD with ibo. In this they are in the good  
>> company
>> of Strassman and Doblin, who want desperately to believe that their
>> favorite drug--be it LSD or MDMA--must of course have all the  
>> benefits
>> of the iboga alkaloids--because iboga is no fun, and they're not into
>> anything they don't take themselves.
>>
>> The antidote for utter bullshit is good science.
>>
>> Dana/cnw
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 8, 2007, at 4:13 PM, Nick Sandberg wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Matthew and others,
>>>
>>> God, there's some utter bollocks on the Net! I couldn't believe  
>>> anyone
>>> could write such drivel and pass themselves off as understanding
>>> psychiatry or being fit to treat addiction! I wrote detox- 
>>> narconon.org
>>> this
>>>
>>> "Hi there, I read your page
>>> www.detox-narconon.org/Ibogaine-effects.html  I'm sorry, but I've  
>>> been
>>> following the ibogaine story for nearly 10 years and work as a
>>> therapist here in the UK, and what you're written is utterly
>>> mis-informed and makes little sense from a psychoanalytical
>>> perspective. Ibogaine is no magic bullet for sure, and the  
>>> reputation
>>> it has developed over the years for potentially being so has been
>>> exploited by some proponents and caused it to be sought after by  
>>> those
>>> with addiction issues who are seeking an "easy way out." They're
>>> attracted to ibogaine for the wrong reasons. However to write
>>> fear-filled nonsense like this is, imo, utterly unprofessional and
>>> simply demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of basic
>>> principles in psychiatry and the treatment of addiction. Are you
>>> interested in removing it or altering it so that it at least
>>> demonstrates a modicum of awareness?
>>> Regards
>>> Nick Sandberg
>>> etc, etc "
>>>
>>> BTW, I'm loving  this -
>>> http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=5547481422995115331
>>> Currently #2 in the google.video daily chart with 35,000 views daily
>>> and it's chalked up nearly 2.5million since release online in  
>>> late Jun
>>> 07.
>>>
>>> BTW, again, does anyone know what's happened to the list? Did  
>>> Patrick
>>> not pay the electric bill?
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Matthew Shriver [mailto:Matt at ITSupport.net]
>>> Sent: 03 September 2007 22:16
>>> To: 'Luke Christoffersen'; HSLotsof at aol.com
>>> Cc: bicuitboy714 at gmail.com; simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk;  
>>> ekkijdfg at gmx.de;
>>> mattzielinski at hotmail.com; nick227 at tiscali.co.uk; Dana at phantom.com;
>>> knehnav at xs4all.nl; slowone at hush.ai; captkirknz at yahoo.co.uk;
>>> ptpeet at nyc.rr.com; vector620022002 at yahoo.com; freedomroot at gmail.com;
>>> jasenhappy at optusnet.com.au; wleetheriot at ca.rr.com
>>> Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] dogy ibogaine misinformation page
>>>
>>> Well the fact that they have this link at the bottom of the page  
>>> kinda
>>> says what they know about ibogaine:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Click here — how to fully recover from the effect of iboga addiction
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Luke Christoffersen [mailto:luke.christoffersen at gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 7:24 AM
>>> To: HSLotsof at aol.com
>>> Cc: Matt at itsupport.net; bicuitboy714 at gmail.com;
>>> simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk; ekkijdfg at gmx.de; mattzielinski at hotmail.com;
>>> nick227 at tiscali.co.uk; Dana at phantom.com; knehnav at xs4all.nl;
>>> slowone at hush.ai; captkirknz at yahoo.co.uk; ptpeet at nyc.rr.com;
>>> vector620022002 at yahoo.com; freedomroot at gmail.com;
>>> jasenhappy at optusnet.com.au; wleetheriot at ca.rr.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] dogy ibogaine misinformation page
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> they seem to call ibogaine brain washing.  What's even worse I think
>>> this site must have some link the cult of scientology.  The have  
>>> links
>>> to L Ron hubbards books on it anyway.
>>>
>>> http://www.detox-narconon.org/Ibogaine-effects.html
>>
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