[Ibogaine] dogy ibogaine misinformation page

Douglas Fraser doug_fraser at microcinema.com
Sun Sep 9 14:11:27 EDT 2007


well, I for one would love to have some Ecstasy flashbacks....

for those of us who don't subscribe to these expensive publications, 
would you mind writing a brief synopsis?

thanks
doug


Dana Beal wrote:
> It's L. Ron Hubbard, alright. 1950's level mis-info. Fat around the 
> bloodvessels! I suggest everyone on the list read
> 
> Dorit Ron and Patricia H. Janak "GDNF and Addiction"; Reviews in the 
> Neurosciences (2005)
> 
> Dao-Yao He, Nancy McGough, Ajay Ravindranathan, Jerome Jeanblanc, Marian 
> Logrip, Khanhky Phamluong, Patricia Janak and Dorit    Ron "Glial Cell 
> Line-Derived Neurotropic Factor Mediates the Desirable Actions of the 
> Anti-Addiction Drug Ibogaine against Alcohol Consumption", Journal of 
> Neuro-Science (January, 2005)
> 
> Dao-Yao He and Dorit Ron "Autoregulation of glial cell line-derived 
> neurotropic factor expression: implications for the long-lasting actions 
> of the anti-addiction drug, Ibogaine" The FASAEB Journal (October 3, 2006).
> 
> Note that the date on these is 2005, not 1955.
> 
> I have never seen any indication that hypnosis can act at a cellular 
> level to switch on a neurotropin (growth factor). However, 
> scientologists are not alone in their confusion of the effects of other 
> psychedelics such as LSD with ibo. In this they are in the good company 
> of Strassman and Doblin, who want desperately to believe that their 
> favorite drug--be it LSD or MDMA--must of course have all the benefits 
> of the iboga alkaloids--because iboga is no fun, and they're not into 
> anything they don't take themselves.
> 
> The antidote for utter bullshit is good science.
> 
> Dana/cnw
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 8, 2007, at 4:13 PM, Nick Sandberg wrote:
> 
>> Hi Matthew and others,
>>
>> God, there's some utter bollocks on the Net! I couldn't believe anyone 
>> could write such drivel and pass themselves off as understanding 
>> psychiatry or being fit to treat addiction! I wrote detox-narconon.org 
>> this
>>
>> "Hi there, I read your page 
>> www.detox-narconon.org/Ibogaine-effects.html  I'm sorry, but I've been 
>> following the ibogaine story for nearly 10 years and work as a 
>> therapist here in the UK, and what you're written is utterly 
>> mis-informed and makes little sense from a psychoanalytical 
>> perspective. Ibogaine is no magic bullet for sure, and the reputation 
>> it has developed over the years for potentially being so has been 
>> exploited by some proponents and caused it to be sought after by those 
>> with addiction issues who are seeking an "easy way out." They're 
>> attracted to ibogaine for the wrong reasons. However to write 
>> fear-filled nonsense like this is, imo, utterly unprofessional and 
>> simply demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of basic 
>> principles in psychiatry and the treatment of addiction. Are you 
>> interested in removing it or altering it so that it at least 
>> demonstrates a modicum of awareness?
>> Regards
>> Nick Sandberg
>> etc, etc "
>>
>> BTW, I'm loving  this - 
>> http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=5547481422995115331   
>> Currently #2 in the google.video daily chart with 35,000 views daily 
>> and it's chalked up nearly 2.5million since release online in late Jun 
>> 07.
>>
>> BTW, again, does anyone know what's happened to the list? Did Patrick 
>> not pay the electric bill?
>>
>> Nick
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  -----Original Message-----
>> From: Matthew Shriver [mailto:Matt at ITSupport.net]
>> Sent: 03 September 2007 22:16
>> To: 'Luke Christoffersen'; HSLotsof at aol.com
>> Cc: bicuitboy714 at gmail.com; simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk; ekkijdfg at gmx.de; 
>> mattzielinski at hotmail.com; nick227 at tiscali.co.uk; Dana at phantom.com; 
>> knehnav at xs4all.nl; slowone at hush.ai; captkirknz at yahoo.co.uk; 
>> ptpeet at nyc.rr.com; vector620022002 at yahoo.com; freedomroot at gmail.com; 
>> jasenhappy at optusnet.com.au; wleetheriot at ca.rr.com
>> Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] dogy ibogaine misinformation page
>>
>> Well the fact that they have this link at the bottom of the page kinda 
>> says what they know about ibogaine:
>>
>>
>>
>> Click here — how to fully recover from the effect of iboga addiction
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Luke Christoffersen [mailto:luke.christoffersen at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 7:24 AM
>> To: HSLotsof at aol.com
>> Cc: Matt at itsupport.net; bicuitboy714 at gmail.com; 
>> simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk; ekkijdfg at gmx.de; mattzielinski at hotmail.com; 
>> nick227 at tiscali.co.uk; Dana at phantom.com; knehnav at xs4all.nl; 
>> slowone at hush.ai; captkirknz at yahoo.co.uk; ptpeet at nyc.rr.com; 
>> vector620022002 at yahoo.com; freedomroot at gmail.com; 
>> jasenhappy at optusnet.com.au; wleetheriot at ca.rr.com
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] dogy ibogaine misinformation page
>>
>>
>>
>> they seem to call ibogaine brain washing.  What's even worse I think 
>> this site must have some link the cult of scientology.  The have links 
>> to L Ron hubbards books on it anyway.
>>
>> http://www.detox-narconon.org/Ibogaine-effects.html
>



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