[Ibogaine] LDN and cancer, AIDSocco

Randy Faulconer bicuitboy714 at gmail.com
Sun Oct 7 21:36:19 EDT 2007


     Matt, I am envious, no that's not right, too negative, I'm intrigued. I
would love to participate in a Lokota ceremony. I highly respect all of the
native American tribes and their customs.

    Bury my heart at Wounded Knee

           Randy


On 10/7/07, Matthew Shriver <Matt at itsupport.net> wrote:
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>  Hi Henk
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> That is an interesting view.  I never thought of that.  And now that you
> mention it I am reminded of the members of the Native American Church who
> leave tobacco offerings on the ground near peyote plants.  I am also
> reminded of the Lakota traditions around tobacco, as I have participated in
> a few Lakota ceremonies.  But that use of tobacco seems very removed from
> what I usually see.  The way I see it used now and the way I used it myself
> for 17 years was to self medicate feelings.  Which I don't think is so
> terrible in and of itself, but it becomes such a difficult habit to break.
> That coupled with the slow but steady deterioration of the lungs resulting
> in one of the more uncomfortable ways to die makes it seem like pretty bad
> stuff to me and that's really more what I was thinking about.  But thanks
> for reminding me that it isn't always so one sided.
>
>
>
> Matt
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> *From:* ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com [mailto:ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com]
> *On Behalf Of *Henk van Vliet
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 07, 2007 2:43 AM
> *To:* The Ibogaine List
> *Subject:* Re: [Ibogaine] LDN and cancer, AIDSocco
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> Hi Matt,
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> tobacco has been highly revered  all over  the America's  in  pre Columbus
> times and still is.
> Nearly always present in ayahuasca ceremonies, I think it definitely has
> some great qualities,
> but, as we all know, also some dark and dangerous sides, if abused
> (can't help thinking it is like a curse on the white man,  after  having
> caused so much  destruction
> on the native american societies)
>
> Henk
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> Matthew Shriver schreef:
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> Hi Xristine
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> Welcome to the list.  I saw your post about the opium question and yes I
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> would say it is a plant medicine.  I have never in my life experienced a
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> better analgesic than opiates.  But (at the risk of putting incorrect words
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> in someone else's mouth) what I think that elfstone was emphasizing in that
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> post was the distinction between what are considered entheogens and what are
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> not.  Natural does not an entheogen make.  Coffee is from a natural source,
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> tobacco is a plant, but that does not make caffeine and nicotine entheogens.
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> As to the rules about what can be discussed I believe they are:
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> 3)Post must be a demand to be removed from the list
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> That's pretty much it really.  And of course if you don't feel like talking
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> Actually the real list purpose is here if you really want to know:
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> Matt
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> -----Original Message-----
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> From: ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com [mailto:ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com <ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com>] On
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> Behalf Of xristine
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> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 7:51 PM
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> To: The Ibogaine List
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> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] LDN and cancer, AIDS
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>
>     Ulrich
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> Thank you so much for your comments as I  am quietly assimilating the way
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> this list works.  I had wanted to say something quite the same as you did
>
> because I did feel the anger and pain of negativity from the post of Dana.
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> Thank you for doing a good job clarifying your good message.
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>
>
> I got excited immediatly thinking of exactly what you were hoping to
>
> implicate.  I took a minute I was going to use researching the ibogaine
>
> issues and did a good bit of looking into using Naltrexone in the novel
>
> way.Funny thing is that today I also had called a University Study doing
>
> work with addicts and (Its paid too)they are using medication for Meth
>
> withdrawal and maintenance.  I had thoughts of LDn in my brain while asking
>
> about their program and accidentally made a brain connection that went
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> beyond my learniing.  I asked if it was Naltrexone, the meds they were going
>
>
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> to use!! Then I realized what I had done.  They are going to use Dexi's and
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> placebos.
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> I commented to the researcher that their study was doomed (laughing but
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> serious) because anyone who gets a placebo is going to go to sleep and never
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> return for the rest.
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> Oh, I am Xristine and have come for knowledge.  I have addicts on the left,
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> right and middle if you know what I mean.  I am a very functional but
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> yearning for growth for not just me but the left and right (my adult child
>
> and a good friend)
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>
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> I am so glad to learn about Ibogaine but was also thrilled to find a pharm
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> suggestion I had never seen and hope that sort of thing is open for
>
> discussion also.  I notice discussion of other plant medicines. Actually I
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> made a comment in the form of a question to someone who compared plant meds
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> to the use of opium.  I said isn't opium a plant med? (or sumpin like that)
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> Time to make dinner but thanks for putting me on your list and a happy hello
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> to all of you; I'll give you our situation later when I sit down again.
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> Meanwhile I am enjoying the variety on this list.
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> Xristine
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> I will be making a doctor appointment and giving my best promotion to get a
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> prescription.
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> ----- Original Message -----
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> From: "Ulrich Hugel" <Ulrich.Hugel at prontomail.com> <Ulrich.Hugel at prontomail.com>
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> To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com> <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
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> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 4:18 PM
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> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] LDN and cancer, AIDS
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> Beware: The ears have walls!
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>
> Dana,
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> I'm rather disappointed in the negativity of your response.
>
> I'm sorry that many of your friends died when you were in ACT UP.
>
> But do you KNOW that they were doing LDN as described and it didn't
>
> help? I doubt it. So your statement "If there was something to it,
>
> about 300 people from ACT UP wouldn't have died while I was going to
>
> their meetings." is meaningless beyond being an expression of your
>
> pain about all those people dying.
>
>
>
> Yes, I agree that ibogaine is great stuff. Too bad I have to pay
>
> over $2000 a dose if I get lucky enough to find all the hoops that
>
> need to be jumped thru to make even that happen. It feels to me that
>
> the ibogaine "treatment community" is financially exploiting the
>
> pain and desperation of addicts in many cases.
>
> I've had experience with ibogaine and it does have some useful
>
> effects. I wish I could get more. But it's not some kind of miracle
>
> cure with paranormal powers to forever cure whatever ails you and
>
> make the rest of your life all peaches and cream after just 1 or 2
>
> treatments. Too bad I had to spend all my savings for 1 dose, the
>
> effects of which soon wore off.
>
> LDN can be had in the US without a prescription for less than $1/day.
>
>
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> To put it mildly, I'm no fan of the pharmaceutical industry or the
>
> FDA. This implication that I'm trying to promote DuPont is just
>
> ignorant crap on your part. Naltrexone is off patent, available as a
>
> generic. And no, the pharmaceutical industry does not have
>
> the "resources" to promote LDN. LDN is an unapproved use for
>
> naltrexone, and for a pharmaceutical company to promote it is a
>
> violation of the law that the FDA would immediately and vigorously
>
> prosecute. Being off-patent, no pharmco is going to spend the $100M+
>
> to get FDA approval.
>
> The promotion of LDN is a grass roots effort. I would have thought
>
> that of all people, someone like yourself would appreciate that.
>
>
>
> Lastly, I was hoping that some folks might get the point that LDN
>
> might increase endorphin levels even in those who do not have
>
> cancer, MS etc. Many people become addicts by self medicating
>
> chronic suffering due to a constitutionally low endorphin tone.
>
> Considering the appalling cost and lack of availability of Iboga,
>
> LDN could be a useful option for some people - not for addiction
>
> interruption, but to help to live straight more comfortably - by
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> improving the underlying problem that led to addiction in the first
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> place.
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>
> Ulrich
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> Dana Beal wrote:
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> I don't know. They already had something like this for AIDS when I
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> was in ACT UP. If there was something to it, about 300 people from
>
> ACT UP wouldn't have died while I was going to their meetings.
>
>
>
> That was before the anti-retrovirals. Anyway, I was under the
>
> impression Ilah was on methadone the whole time, although I heard
>
> at
>
> her funeral that she had weaned herself off before her most recent
>
> illness.
>
>
>
> I think the effects we're seeing on hepatitis with ibogaine are a
>
> lot
>
> more dramatic-- a lot more like the one treatment or several having
>
> a
>
> really dramatic effect on addiction-- than any maintenance type
>
> approach that you seem to be advocating here with trexan. I think
>
> ibogaine should be available as a primary treatment for hepatitis C
>
> and prophylaxis against development of liver cancer that often
>
> results from hep C. I keep trying to get people to try it instead
>
> of
>
> interferon, which often doesn't work, but wreaks havoc on the body.
>
>
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> Trexan is a Dupont product I believe. I think they have all the
>
> resources they need to promote it without your assistance.
>
>
>
> Dana/cnw
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 29, 2007, at 2:50 PM, Ulrich Hugel wrote:
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>
>
> Hi folks,
>
> I'm a newbie here and I just read a post about the woman dying of
>
> liver cancer. I wanted to share something pretty amazing I learned
>
> recently:
>
> www.lowdosenaltrexone.org
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> Apparently naltrexone, 3-4mg once a day at bed time has had some
>
> truly remarkable success in reversing and putting into remission
>
> advanced, metastasized, conventional treatment resistant cancers
>
> including pancreatic, liver, renal, breast, melanoma etc. Something
>
> like 20-30% in a series of 300 patients had complete remission, and
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> another 30% stopped progression.
>
> It stops CD4 counts from dropping in AIDS, is said to have 80%
>
> success in putting MS into remission, and is helpful in
>
> CFIDS/fibromyalgia and rheumatoid arthritis.
>
> In all these conditions endorphin levels are low, and endorphins
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>
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> are
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>
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> the main signaling molecules that "orchestrate" the immune system.
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> The way low dose naltrexone works is by blocking endorphins for a
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>
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> few
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>
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> hours before the normal surge of endorphin production by the
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> hypothalamus in the last third of the night. This causes a rebound
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> increase in endorphins which restores proper immune function.
>
> Unfortunately, LDN can't be used by people currently dependant on
>
> opiates. That's where the Iboga comes in.
>
>
>
> Ulrich
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> "Men stumble over the truth from time to time, but most pick themselves up
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> and hurry off as if nothing had happened."
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