[Ibogaine] TOTALLY OT.... punk rock!! lol

Preston Peet prestonpeet at yahoo.com
Sun May 27 11:52:40 EDT 2007


but they've got my blood all over them. Think he still wants 'em?
;-))


----- Original Message ----
From: Randy Faulconer <bicuitboy714 at gmail.com>
To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 8:01:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] TOTALLY OT.... punk rock!! lol


      Richard Hell called. He wants his razor blades back.
         Uncle Slather

 
On 5/24/07, Capt Kirk <captkirknz at yahoo.co.uk> wrote: 
"whispers to si "  they were from america and were bloody good... I was going out with a punk rocker at the time who was always getting amazing music from overseas... i remember angry samoans as well they were good..... 
what does iranian punk rok sound like?


 
----- Original Message ----
From: simon loxton < simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 8:16:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Self Treatment 


Kirk,
 
We're going to get into poo for talking about punk rock on an ibogaine
forum, anyway where were they from?. I had loads of demo tapes and stuff. I used to run a "zine" back then and used to get all these obscure bands sending me demo's. I even had punk band from Iran of all places, send me a sample! 
 
Si.
 
----- Original Message ----
From: Capt Kirk < captkirknz at yahoo.co.uk>
To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, 24 May, 2007 1:00:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Self Treatment 


If anyone knows where I could get hold of a copy of woman's punk band from that era... Anti Scrunti Faction, i would LOVE to hear them again.... 
:)
howzit frankie n leah :))

 
----- Original Message ----
From: frankie machine < original_curno at woosh.co.nz>
To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 3:47:01 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Self Treatment


Did someone say bad brains? Unfortunately by the time I got to see them they had sort of lost their edge and had merged the thrash metal and the reggae to meet somewhere in the middle not unlike black uhuru . ah, the memories. f 
 



From: simon loxton [mailto: simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk] 
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 5:07 AM 
To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Self Treatment
 
Was a straight edge hardcore punk band, I just had their demo tape which I received with one from Bad Brains, cant remember the song you mention, it was such a long time ago 
----- Original Message ----
From: Capt Kirk < captkirknz at yahoo.co.uk>
To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, 23 May, 2007 9:02:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Self Treatment 
omg is that the band that sang that song.,. you're just a minor threat?
----- Original Message ----
From: simon loxton < simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 3:50:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Self Treatment 
Hi Preston ,
 
Never thought I would hear "Minor Threat" mentioned, I am just trying to remember the album I had.
 
Simon (Hard Core Cape Town) you into "Gogol bordello?"
----- Original Message ----
From: Preston Peet < prestonpeet at yahoo.com>
To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, 23 May, 2007 8:39:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Self Treatment 
Ok, complete honesty here:
The first few times, I felt pretty terrible DURING the treatment, other than for the amazing tripping, but felt wonderful for at least a week or two afterwards. But I did NO after-plan whatsoever, so was ready to use the very first time anyone (my ex let's say) irritated me in some minor way. 
Then it got to the point where I simply didn't get a thing from taking ibo, having already done it, in MY OWN OPINION too many times- so this time round I took Bup for a few days, and have now been off opiates nearly two weeks, and have been going to NA meetings for about five weks. (I was literally holding my eyelids open the first couple of weeks of meetings because I kept nodding out, and was totally embarrassed about all the tracks on my arms and hands, which have now almost totally disappeared.) 
Sara in Amsterdam told me about many clients who relapsed after seeing her, but then wrote months later to tell her they'd decided to do it on their own, and I seem to be one of them. I mean, I've denigrated NA for year now, "Those twelve steppers suck," etc, but now don't feel that way at all. Whatever it fucking takes to get and STAY clean I'm ready to do. 
What I mean when I posted the last message was that I was so ready to die any danger from taking ibogaine, which I've done alone more than once at large doses, seemed like a minor threat (great bands btw). 
Hope this clears up my oblique message.
Peace,
Preston
----- Original Message ----
From: pat dolan < pat_dolan at comcast.net>
To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 12:04:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Self Treatment 
preston ,are you saying that during the ibo treatment you felt like shit
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Preston Peet 
To: ibogaine at mindvox.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 12:06 AM 
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Self Treatment 
 
Matt wrote and I totally agree>While I agree with you pretty much entirely, I remember that when I used ibo to get clean, death seemed like as good of an alternative at the time.< 
----- Original Message ----
From: Matthew Shriver < Matt at ITSupport.net>
To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 8:15:45 AM 
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Self Treatment
Hey Randy
 
While I agree with you pretty much entirely, I remember that when I used ibo to get clean, death seemed like as good of an alternative at the time.  I know being strung out tends to foster a pretty self-obsessed perspective but from that place the choice of death or getting clean seemed like a win/win to me when compared with going on the way it was going.  It's hard to separate what is best for the ibo movement from what is best for the individual addict.  Clearly the policies in this country, the attitudes towards addiction, the choices for those addicted, are so fucked up as to qualify as downright evil.  In a truly moral society the shit our society currently does to addicts would be illegal.  I think it was Preston who had the quote in his sig that said, "It is no sign of mental health to be well adjusted to a sick society."  I guess my point is that it seems like a fine line to try and thread between following the rules of society and living with it the way it is
 until it can be changed, and striking out on the path of what is right because it's right in disregard for the merely man-made laws.  Regardless of all of that I too would not like to see anyone die unnecessarily. 
 
Matt
 



From: Randy Faulconer [mailto: bicuitboy714 at gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 6:38 AM 
To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Self Treatment
 
            I really hesitate to do this but I don't see anybody else saying it, so here goes. I've seen a lot of people on here lately who seem to be able to get Ibogaine on their own and are planning on doing it either by themselves, or with somebody who has no experience with the treatment. I'm no big expert or anything, although I do know what I'm talking about by being immersed in something that so radically changed my life. I've been around for a while and done a bunch of research on my own before and after my treatment, been to the conferences, and been privy to conversations about this because it means so much to me. I've also learned by making mistakes on my own path too. You don't have to trust me, although I feel like some of you do who know me, but I'm pretty worried that something is going to happen that just might hurt somebody, or worse, and fuck it up for everybody in the US in the process. Hell, I'll just say it, people can die doing this. Ibogaine is a
 weird drug, I don't think anybody who has done a full treatment or spiritual search will disagree with that. It affects people differently and even experienced providers often see reactions that nobody expected. I watched somebody die in real time on the list here about a year and a half ago. THOSE OF YOU WHO WERE HERE THEN PLEASE SPEAK UP. 
        
        The blood work, EKG thing 'aint no joke, and neither is having an experienced guide/provider there to do something if the shit comes down. This is not even mentioning the fact that Ibogaine is ILLEGAL here and there are people watching this list. I feel like it's my responsibility as a very sensitive and caring human being to say these things, 'cause I truly don't want to see anybody die. Also I want to see the Ibogaine movement expand to the point that middle or low income addicts have the opportunity to use Ibogaine to help free themselves from addiction. There are a bunch of addicts that pay 100 dollars for an 80 mg Oxycontin in KY for example, that don't even know what ibogaine is, can't get it together to look it up on the internet if they did, and feel like there is no way out of their addictions without paying big bucks that they don't have to go to a private methadone clinic. These people pay 100 bucks a hit, how in the hell are they going to get 5 or 6
 hundred dollars together to get in a clinic. They need help. My point here is if yall fuck around and die or get busted, those people may never get the chance. We just can't take anymore bad press. 
 
          All that aside, I gotta say one more thing that I learned the fucking hard way. If you don't change your lifestyle, get a good therapist and stay with him/her, the chances are pretty good that this risk that is being taken is all for naught. All those feelings of despair, the self flagellation we put ourselves through, and the false self esteem that we have has to be dealt with or it will kick your ass again no matter how much Ibogaine you take, or how often. I know, and being intelligent has nothing to do with being able to deal with this by yourself. Trust me or not, the evidence is there that what I'm sayin' is true on all points. 
 
        OK, I followed my heart here. Some of yall will disregard what I'm saying and some of yall may even shoot me down for sayin' it. But maybe that one person that could die won't because I care about them whether I know them or not. This is some serious shit and I guess yall know I don't really like being serious that much. I'd rather laugh and enjoy life while living in the moment. I've cleared my consiounce somewhat so at least I feel better. 
       Peace Love and the Brotherhood of Man
                                                                 Life ROCKS.........turn it up!!!
                 Randy
             
 
 



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