[Ibogaine] TOTALLY OT.... punk rock!! lol

Randy Faulconer bicuitboy714 at gmail.com
Thu May 24 08:01:19 EDT 2007


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On 5/24/07, Capt Kirk <captkirknz at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>  "whispers to si "  they were from america and were bloody good... I was
> going out with a punk rocker at the time who was always getting amazing
> music from overseas... i remember angry samoans as well they were good.....
> what does iranian punk rok sound like?
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 8:16:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Self Treatment
>
>  Kirk,
>
> We're going to get into poo for talking about punk rock on an ibogaine
> forum, anyway where were they from?. I had loads of demo tapes and stuff.
> I used to run a "zine" back then and used to get all these obscure bands
> sending me demo's. I even had punk band from Iran of all places, send me a
> sample!
>
> Si.
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Capt Kirk <captkirknz at yahoo.co.uk>
> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> Sent: Thursday, 24 May, 2007 1:00:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Self Treatment
>
>  If anyone knows where I could get hold of a copy of woman's punk band
> from that era... Anti Scrunti Faction, i would LOVE to hear them again....
> :)
> howzit frankie n leah :))
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: frankie machine <original_curno at woosh.co.nz>
> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 3:47:01 PM
> Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Self Treatment
>
>  Did someone say bad brains? Unfortunately by the time I got to see them
> they had sort of lost their edge and had merged the thrash metal and the
> reggae to meet somewhere in the middle not unlike black uhuru . ah, the
> memories. f
>
>
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> *From:* simon loxton [mailto:simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk]
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 24, 2007 5:07 AM
> *To:* ibogaine at mindvox.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Ibogaine] Self Treatment
>
>
>
> Was a straight edge hardcore punk band, I just had their demo tape which I
> received with one from Bad Brains, cant remember the song you mention, it
> was such a long time ago
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Capt Kirk <captkirknz at yahoo.co.uk>
> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> Sent: Wednesday, 23 May, 2007 9:02:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Self Treatment
>
> omg is that the band that sang that song.,. you're just a minor threat?
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 3:50:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Self Treatment
>
> Hi Preston ,
>
>
>
> Never thought I would hear "Minor Threat" mentioned, I am just trying to
> remember the album I had.
>
>
>
> Simon (Hard Core Cape Town) you into "Gogol bordello?"
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Preston Peet <prestonpeet at yahoo.com>
> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> Sent: Wednesday, 23 May, 2007 8:39:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Self Treatment
>
> Ok, complete honesty here:
>
> The first few times, I felt pretty terrible DURING the treatment, other
> than for the amazing tripping, but felt wonderful for at least a week or two
> afterwards. But I did NO after-plan whatsoever, so was ready to use the very
> first time anyone (my ex let's say) irritated me in some minor way.
>
> Then it got to the point where I simply didn't get a thing from taking
> ibo, having already done it, in MY OWN OPINION too many times- so this time
> round I took Bup for a few days, and have now been off opiates nearly two
> weeks, and have been going to NA meetings for about five weks. (I was
> literally holding my eyelids open the first couple of weeks of meetings
> because I kept nodding out, and was totally embarrassed about all the tracks
> on my arms and hands, which have now almost totally disappeared.)
>
> Sara in Amsterdam told me about many clients who relapsed after seeing
> her, but then wrote months later to tell her they'd decided to do it on
> their own, and I seem to be one of them. I mean, I've denigrated NA for year
> now, "Those twelve steppers suck," etc, but now don't feel that way at all.
> Whatever it fucking takes to get and STAY clean I'm ready to do.
>
> What I mean when I posted the last message was that I was so ready to die
> any danger from taking ibogaine, which I've done alone more than once at
> large doses, seemed like a minor threat (great bands btw).
>
> Hope this clears up my oblique message.
>
> Peace,
> Preston
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: pat dolan <pat_dolan at comcast.net>
> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 12:04:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Self Treatment
>
> preston ,are you saying that during the ibo treatment you felt like shit
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* Preston Peet <prestonpeet at yahoo.com>
>
> *To:* ibogaine at mindvox.com
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 22, 2007 12:06 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Ibogaine] Self Treatment
>
>
>
> Matt wrote and I totally agree>While I agree with you pretty much
> entirely, I remember that when I used ibo to get clean, death seemed like as
> good of an alternative at the time.<
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Matthew Shriver <Matt at ITSupport.net>
> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 8:15:45 AM
> Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Self Treatment
>
> Hey Randy
>
>
>
> While I agree with you pretty much entirely, I remember that when I used
> ibo to get clean, death seemed like as good of an alternative at the time.
> I know being strung out tends to foster a pretty self-obsessed perspective
> but from that place the choice of death or getting clean seemed like a
> win/win to me when compared with going on the way it was going.  It's hard
> to separate what is best for the ibo movement from what is best for the
> individual addict.  Clearly the policies in this country, the attitudes
> towards addiction, the choices for those addicted, are so fucked up as to
> qualify as downright evil.  In a truly moral society the shit our society
> currently does to addicts would be illegal.  I think it was Preston who had
> the quote in his sig that said, "It is no sign of mental health to be well
> adjusted to a sick society."  I guess my point is that it seems like a fine
> line to try and thread between following the rules of society and living
> with it the way it is until it can be changed, and striking out on the path
> of what is right because it's right in disregard for the merely man-made
> laws.  Regardless of all of that I too would not like to see anyone die
> unnecessarily.
>
>
>
> Matt
>
>
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> *From:* Randy Faulconer [mailto:bicuitboy714 at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, May 18, 2007 6:38 AM
> *To:* ibogaine at mindvox.com
> *Subject:* [Ibogaine] Self Treatment
>
>
>
>             I really hesitate to do this but I don't see anybody else
> saying it, so here goes. I've seen a lot of people on here lately who seem
> to be able to get Ibogaine on their own and are planning on doing it either
> by themselves, or with somebody who has no experience with the treatment.
> I'm no big expert or anything, although I do know what I'm talking about by
> being immersed in something that so radically changed my life. I've been
> around for a while and done a bunch of research on my own before and after
> my treatment, been to the conferences, and been privy to conversations about
> this because it means so much to me. I've also learned by making mistakes on
> my own path too. You don't have to trust me, although I feel like some of
> you do who know me, but I'm pretty worried that something is going to happen
> that just might hurt somebody, or worse, and fuck it up for everybody in the
> US in the process. Hell, I'll just say it, people can die doing this.
> Ibogaine is a weird drug, I don't think anybody who has done a full
> treatment or spiritual search will disagree with that. It affects people
> differently and even experienced providers often see reactions that nobody
> expected. I watched somebody die in real time on the list here about a year
> and a half ago. THOSE OF YOU WHO WERE HERE THEN PLEASE SPEAK UP.
>
>
>
>         The blood work, EKG thing 'aint no joke, and neither is having an
> experienced guide/provider there to do something if the shit comes down.
> This is not even mentioning the fact that Ibogaine is ILLEGAL here and there
> are people watching this list. I feel like it's my responsibility as a very
> sensitive and caring human being to say these things, 'cause I truly don't
> want to see anybody die. Also I want to see the Ibogaine movement expand to
> the point that middle or low income addicts have the opportunity to use
> Ibogaine to help free themselves from addiction. There are a bunch of
> addicts that pay 100 dollars for an 80 mg Oxycontin in KY for example, that
> don't even know what ibogaine is, can't get it together to look it up on the
> internet if they did, and feel like there is no way out of their addictions
> without paying big bucks that they don't have to go to a private methadone
> clinic. These people pay 100 bucks a hit, how in the hell are they going to
> get 5 or 6 hundred dollars together to get in a clinic. They need help. My
> point here is if yall fuck around and die or get busted, those people may
> never get the chance. We just can't take anymore bad press.
>
>
>
>           All that aside, I gotta say one more thing that I learned the
> fucking hard way. If you don't change your lifestyle, get a good therapist
> and stay with him/her, the chances are pretty good that this risk that is
> being taken is all for naught. All those feelings of despair, the self
> flagellation we put ourselves through, and the false self esteem that we
> have has to be dealt with or it will kick your ass again no matter how much
> Ibogaine you take, or how often. I know, and being intelligent has nothing
> to do with being able to deal with this by yourself. Trust me or not, the
> evidence is there that what I'm sayin' is true on all points.
>
>
>
>         OK, I followed my heart here. Some of yall will disregard what I'm
> saying and some of yall may even shoot me down for sayin' it. But maybe that
> one person that could die won't because I care about them whether I know
> them or not. This is some serious shit and I guess yall know I don't really
> like being serious that much. I'd rather laugh and enjoy life while living
> in the moment. I've cleared my consiounce somewhat so at least I feel
> better.
>
>        Peace Love and the Brotherhood of Man
>
>                                                                  Life
> ROCKS.........turn it up!!!
>
>                  Randy
>
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