[Ibogaine] Steve

Paul Brookshaw jiggy9 at hotmail.co.uk
Wed Jun 13 04:34:18 EDT 2007


Be blessed my friend.

Blessings'
                       Paul'


>From: "Steve Coss" <coss at blodgettsupply.com>
>Reply-To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
>To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Steve
>Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 10:48:13 -0400
>
>Yo Paul,
>It has been a little over a year since I had my first experience with
>Iboga. I do reflect back every now and ten and I do gain some insights
>each time no doubt.
>Steve
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Paul Brookshaw [mailto:jiggy9 at hotmail.co.uk]
>Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 10:07 AM
>To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
>Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Steve
>
>Hey Steve,
>               You keep talking about the trip you had. Iboga is much
>more
>than just the first 60 hours or so my friend.
>You wait and see.
>Drink the water eat the food.
>Exersise, get some air and sun.
>You will see.
>
>Blessings'
>
>                                     Paul'
>
>
> >From: "Steve Coss" <coss at blodgettsupply.com>
> >Reply-To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> >To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> >Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] doing Ibogaine treatment tomorrow
> >Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 08:27:28 -0400
> >
> >Simon,
> >
> >It is funny you mention that. One of the things that did go well at the
> >clinic I was at was at was the Thai body massage I got on Thursday. I
> >took the meds Monday evening and tripped until early Wednesday.  I had
> >always shied away from massages as I have a thing about people I don't
> >know touching me (boy there is probably a long dark story in there
> >somewhere LOL) ( I was molested at a young age (6) so I suppose that
> >could have something to do with it. Don't know I have never let that
> >incident change my life as to do so would be giving the dude that did
>it
> >way more power than he deserved!! Hell he wasn't even very good at it
> >LOL. Sorry if I offended anyone by joking about this but I think it is
>a
> >shame that we immediately expect that someone's life is going to be
> >destroyed by being violated at the hands of someone else. My Ibo guides
> >must have felt I have it dealt with as we didn't discuss that part of
>my
> >life and God knows on my journey I started at the very beginning. So...
> >back to the massage.. I went into it not very happy I was still a
>little
> >stunned with what all was going on , I had not slept in days so I did
> >not know what to expect. Well the Therapist was awesome he was a small
> >wiry type of guy but he sure knew how to cause pain!!! Good pain BTW,
>I
> >did not realize there was such a thing as good pain. He stretched me in
> >ways I thought were impossible considering all the hardware I have
> >implanted. When I got up off the table everyone in the house there
> >commented on how different I looked. I had my color back , I had a
>smile
> >on my face, I was chatty (not my usual style), the endorphins really
> >kicked in and unlike before under the influence (where I have spent the
> >last 20+ years) I could not feel a endorphin rush as I had to much
>other
> >crap in my blood. I am really getting pumped at the prospect of working
> >out those issues we discussed. I am more ready now than I was when I
> >took my initial trip.
> >
> >As far as the visions go... I have though a lot about them these last
> >few days and I am coming around to the belief that they play a central
> >role in keeping you clean after. My visions were so intense and deep
> >that to this day I can go thru the complete trip in my head. There have
> >been a few times if I happened to come across some particularly good
> >smoke and I have a quite night by myself I can get close to the levels
> >and I came very close to connecting with one of my guides . So unlike
>my
> >first letter to you I think without the visions what would happen is
> >that those with a really good support group, lots of clean sober
>friends
> >and a total break from the people that one used to associate with some
> >people would be ok as all they need is a break from the sickness. The
> >marginal ones (like me for instance) would have nothing to fall back on
> >and the success rate would be greatly diminished. IMHO.
> >
> >One last thing, Does anyone have a clue as to what the short term/long
> >term success rate is?
> >
> >Steve
> >
> >________________________________
> >
> >From: simon loxton [mailto:simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk]
> >Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 11:50 PM
> >To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> >Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] doing ibogaine treatment tommorrow
> >
> >
> >
> >Thanks for the encouragement Steve it was really difficult in the
> >beginning but now I have a team backing me up which makes the world of
> >difference. I also plan to have a sauna and jacuzzi installed as part
>of
> >the treatment.
> >
> >I just wanted to say that the aromatherapy and hot stone massage are
> >working well the only thing you have to get right is the timing (when
>to
> >start) The patient has to reach the state of exhaustion. I had a doctor
> >on board during the last treatment to prescribe Valium and it worked
> >well to relax the person enough before the massage, otherwise they are
> >still a bit sensitive and jumpy. This is why I mention that you have to
> >get the timing right, It does not help if they are still tripping
> >heavily. One last thing is that massage also seems to help release pent
> >up emotion
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message ----
> >From: Steve Coss <coss at blodgettsupply.com>
> >To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> >Sent: Sunday, 10 June, 2007 5:22:16 PM
> >Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] doing ibogaine treatment tommorrow
> >
> >Simon,
> >
> >I am very happy for you. It sounds like you are really getting it
> >together.
> >
> >Be proud
> >
> >Steve
> >
> >
> >
> >________________________________
> >
> >From: simon loxton [mailto:simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk]
> >Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 11:15 AM
> >To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> >Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] doing ibogaine treatment tommorrow
> >
> >
> >
> >This is why I try to stress that the best results are obtained through
> >aftercare. I have been somewhat limited until today actually: I just
> >received the fantastic news that our offer on a house has been
>accepted.
> >This will make treatments allot easier as the property has its own flat
> >next to the pool so the patients wont be in my living space. Although
> >treatments are currently done in a separate area it is still an
> >intrusion in the sense that you are always aware that there is someone
> >in your house. With the new property the patients will have the flat to
> >themselves and the nurse and can stay as long as needed. I also am
>going
> >to discuss the option of a different program for ibogaine patients with
> >the directors of the rehab that has just opened in Greyton. (I will
>have
> >information on my site soon) The point that I am getting to is that
> >during treatment the majority of patients get some insight into their
> >lives with no guarantee how long it will last. I will soon be able to
> >ensure that they get access to the means for sustaining this state of
> >mind, or using the awakening as a starting point which can be worked on
> >with therapists without having too much pressure from the outside
>world,
> >for however long they can afford to. The main goal of the rehab in
> >Greyton is to work with each person at their own pace to come to terms
> >with them selves and their issues while preparing them to reintegrate
> >into society. I am just really happy that now we can now offer an
> >unconfrontational program which can start right at the first phase of
> >the ibogaine treatment. I also just want to express my gratitude to all
> >those who have been of support no matter how big or small a part was
> >played. Being a heroin addict in recovery myself its really exciting
> >that primitive programs based on suffering can now be a thing of the
> >past, I believe we as addicts have suffered enough and that we deserve
> >our place in the sun as much as anyone else, there has been enough
> >negativity associated with addiction to the point where I have
> >encountered many people that believe that addicts should suffer. I
> >believe you should be accountable for your actions but should not be
> >persecuted by having to be labelled an addict. I will do whatever I can
> >to change this myopic perspective by offering an alternative to
> >draconian methods of treating opiate detox, and offering aftercare that
> >is suited to the individual and is not confrontational in any way.
> >
> >
> >
> >Simon
> >
> >----- Original Message ----
> >From: Preston Peet <prestonpeet at yahoo.com>
> >To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> >Sent: Sunday, 10 June, 2007 6:42:18 AM
> >Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] doing ibogaine treatment tommorrow
> >
> >to me both the visions and the insights that can pop up for weeks, or
> >even a month or more after each session, for me, were influential on
>me-
> >but without my having any sort of new architecture in my life, no new
> >system for changing habitual reactions and actions to anything and
> >everything, in the end, those visions and insights weren't much
> >help-until perhaps this final time, when I had no visions really, none
> >that were spectactual/on-the-holo-deck type visions, yet suspect that I
> >could very well have made my ultimate decision to put down the opiates
> >last months with the influence of both my trip to Sara's in Amsterdam,
> >and by the help of a friend who helped me obtain just enough hcl to get
> >through the first 11-13 hours of hard kicking, but then I was copping
> >the very next day. Yet here I am now, months later, going to NA
>meetings
> >and staying off everyting but the occassional pot smoking, and even
>THAT
> >has serious decreased.
> >
> >Peace,
> >Preston
> >
> >----- Original Message ----
> >From: Luke Christoffersen <luke.christoffersen at gmail.com>
> >To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> >Sent: Saturday, June 9, 2007 3:37:31 PM
> >Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] doing ibogaine treatment tommorrow
> >
> >HI Simon,
> >              I guess it depends on the person.  I found the visions
> >combined with the emotional release from the sessions I did to be the
> >most important thing that changed my life.  I wasn't taking opiates at
> >that time though, there was no real physical addiction to be
> >interrupted.
> >
> >The catharsis involved with my visions was the most alleviating thing
>in
> >regard to my compulsions. A lot of repressed anger was released plus a
> >bunch of other childhood emotions and that really changed me deeply.  I
> >was still drinking a good bit but then I just cut down a huge amount
>and
> >even when I did drink I drank a lot less.
> >
> >   The actual pressure and tension released was the changing factor.
> >There were a lot of my visions related to those emotions. I really felt
> >emptied out of a lot of negative feelings.
> >
> >      I agree that what goes on after the experience can be just as
> >important. Insights continue for weeks and months, even years after I
> >think.
> >
> >Luke
> >
> >
> >
> >On 6/9/07, simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >Hi Luke
> >
> >I have been thinking about this allot, whether the visions are
> >important.
> >
> >I was comparing a stepped dose and a single dose regimen. I found that
> >it is not the visions them selves that are important but the whole
> >process. If you are an addict it is being drug free that can lead to a
> >life that if free of compulsion where you can exercise true intent. The
> >act of taking ibogaine can lead to the same kind of freedom whether you
> >hallucinate or not. The most profound states of mind that I have
> >experienced were the weeks following ibogaine ingestion.
> >
> >Simon
> >
> >----- Original Message ----
> >From: Luke Christoffersen < luke.christoffersen at gmail.com
> ><mailto:luke.christoffersen at gmail.com> >
> >To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> >
> >Sent: Saturday, 9 June, 2007 8:46:48 AM
> >Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] doing ibogaine treatment tommorrow
> >
> >Hi Steve,
> >             I've been seeing quite a few people saying that ibogaine
>is
> >just an interrupter. i think there's  lot more to it.  the visions are
> >very important and the chance of been shown the underlying
>psychological
> >or emotional reasons for addiction.  I think that's were the biggest
> >benefits for changing ones life will come from. If the underlying
> >reasons can be addressed then changing ones life in the present will be
> >alot easier. Though that might be so as much with people who became
> >addicted after going on painkillers for accidents. I don't think
> >ibogaine would have such a good success rate if it weren't for the
> >visions/educational aspect to it.
> >
> >Peace
> >Luke
> >
> >	Good luck and I look forward to hearing from you after. BTW
> >please remember this is a "interrupter" nothing is going to change if
> >you don't work the hardest you ever have to stay clean. Use whatever
> >works best but it sounds like you have a good support group. Just don't
> >let them let you slip back, tell them what to look for so they can help
> >you and help spot those triggers.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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